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U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) addresses the final session of the 2012 Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida August 30, 2012. REUTERS/Jason Reed (UNITED STATES  - Tags: POLITICS ELECTIONS)
Marco Rubio: "Half baked and seriously flawed"
The White House, not crazy enough to believe that Congress will actually come up with an immigration reform bill, has been working on a backup plan, an immigration bill of its own, some details of which leaked over the weekend. That, of course, activated one of the ironclad rules of Obama-era politics: if Barack Obama supports something, even something Republicans have historically supported, Republicans will denounce it. Failed vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan called it "counterproductive." Failed presidential candidate John McCain whined that Obama "has had no communication with Republicans on the issue, unlike the previous four presidents that I've dealt with" (ignore that three of those presidents were Republicans). Future presidential hopeful Marco Rubio:
... said it was a "mistake for the White House to draft immigration legislation without seeking input from Republican members of Congress," calling the proposal "half baked and seriously flawed," and declaring, "If actually proposed, the president's bill would be dead on arrival in Congress."
Half baked and seriously flawed? That would certainly differentiate it from the bipartisan Senate framework, in which Rubio is a participant, where no one can seem to agree if the border commission is advisory or can outright block a pathway to citizenship. And, uhh:
Demetrios G. Papademetriou, president of the Migration Policy Institute, an independent nonpartisan research center in Washington, said the eight-year temporary status for illegal immigrants in the document obtained by USA Today was “essentially the same as the probationary status” envisioned in a proposal developed by a bipartisan group of eight senators. During that probationary period, Mr. Papademetriou said, immigrants would have temporary visas with full work authorization.
The White House emphasized that the president continues to want Congress to act, and that this bill only becomes relevant if (as per usual) Congress makes a lot of noise but doesn't actually get a bill done. At that point, in case voters were in any doubt who was standing in the way of immigration reform, the administration will press this legislation. And Republicans, having failed to do anything to that point while a significant fraction of their House caucus demonizes brown people, will insist that they were totally going to pass something if only the president hadn't ruined it by being all partisan (i.e. submitting a bill).

Support President Obama's call for comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:13 AM PST.

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  •  They just can't decide what they want (11+ / 0-)

    If Obama waits for them to come up with legislation, they complain he isn't 'taking the lead'. When he does, like now, they complain he's butting in and should step aside. One of them actually said that yesterday, Obama should 'step aside'. Make up your minds douches!

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:17:06 AM PST

  •  I don't understand why the White House (1+ / 0-)
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    leaked this, frankly.  

    The ONLY way comprehensive immigration reform actually happens, as a practical matter, is if Rubio and the others working on a bill come up with something.  That's just reality.  The only way a bill gets through Congress is if Rubio and the other Republicans working on this bipartisan bill can pull enough other Republicans with them.  

    This leak from the White House, which is a bill to the left of what the bipartisan group is working on (in terms of verification of border security, and e-verify, from what I understand) just undercuts that process.  I don't understand why -- even if the WH wanted to draft something -- they chose to leak it.  It just hurts the chances of immigration reform happening.

    Rubio is right -- if the White House undercuts Rubio's efforts, and substitutes its own bill, that White House bill has NO CHANCE of getting through Congress.  

    If the White House really wants a bill to get through Congress, it would stand aside and let that bipartisan group come up with a compromise that Rubio can back (as many noted here, the Rubio proposal is not too bad from  Democratic perspective, even if it is not everything Democrats wanted), and let him work on pulling enough Republicans along.  

    •  Obama told them (9+ / 0-)

      in the SOTU that he expected them to deliver on several items and if they didn't, he had certain executive privileges at his disposal.  By leaking, he lit a fire under wood that only intended to smoke.

    •  Perhaps because the White House does not (7+ / 0-)

      think the bill proposed Rubio is the answer.  If so, I think it is good the President proposes his own plan. After all, he won the election convincingly with a resounding victory and yes, I understand about the Baggers in the House and all...but I like it when the President acts like he won the election.  Hell Bush barely won and said he had a mandate and always acted like that..but heaven forbid a Democratic President does this.

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      by wishingwell on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:55:01 AM PST

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      •  That makes no sense. (1+ / 0-)
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        The White House would rather have no bill than the Rubio backed bill?  

        Because those are the alternatives.  

        There is no one on Capitol Hill who believes that a White House proposal, without the backing of any Republicans, gets through the House.  

        •  I do not trust the Republicans and perhaps that (1+ / 0-)
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          is how many Democrats in the House, Senate, and White House feel as well? Perhaps the Rubio bill does not do what the White House would like to see with immigration reform. All I know is that I support the Obama measure and I will continue to do so. Is it practical to do so? Maybe not, but I will do it anyway.

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          by wishingwell on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:08:59 AM PST

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        •  But all Presidents have proposals, goals they (0+ / 0-)

          put forth and promote. Granted Republicans will oppose anything put forth by this President...and everything as they have been doing but I do not blame the President for trying.  I think it shows strength on the President's part.

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          by wishingwell on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:10:37 AM PST

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        •  No, they aren't the only alternatives (2+ / 0-)
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          smartdemmg, wishingwell

          Rubio only wants to be able to claim credit for any reform, even if it is to be a collaboration with the 'gang of eight' and he doesn't want any Hispanic to know, remember or realize that Obama is the one who prompted the action on this.

          Yes, maybe the GOP would like to pretend they would act and get Hispanics to vote GOP, but they would never actually do anything on the scale we need.

          I recall that one of the GOP's proposals was for no path to citizenship, but permanent work visas... DOH!

      •  wishingwell - politics or results? (0+ / 0-)

        What really counts? No immigration reform happens without bipartisan support which can't be achieved with brute force.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:33:19 PM PST

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    •  Easy. n-dimensional chess. (0+ / 0-)

      Obama is probably using this as some kind of leverage to, say, get Republicans to nominate Rand Paul for President in 2016.  We mortals simply cannot fathom the intricacies, but we must trust and believe above all.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:55:53 AM PST

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    •  Maybe he recognizes that he has the GOP (7+ / 0-)

      backed against a wall.

      If they whine to the point of not going along with him, they lose the Hispanic/Latino electorate for a generation.

      If they whine and pass his plan they lose their hateful Rat-bagger base, and still lose the Hispanic/Latino electorate for a generation, since everyone knows it's Obama's initiative, not the GOP's.

      Either way, Obama and the Dems win. No one will blame Obama and the Dems for the GOP failure to pass this.

      He doesn't owe them a "deal." He doesn't owe them anything.

      This approach lets them stew in the bed they've made for as long as they choose to.  Al the while antagonizing some element of the electorate they really need.  All the while inviting extremists in their "base" to provide more anti-Brown people comments tailor-made for Democratic campaign commercials.  

      They'll pass something, all right, but it'll be on his terms.

      Lose-lose proposition for the GOP. Only question is how badly they want to lose.

      •  Daragnan - anyone who thinks the GOP has its (0+ / 0-)

        back to the wall, at this moment in time, is delusional. No immigration reform happens without bipartisan support.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 06:36:08 PM PST

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        •  Bipartisan "support" is a given. (1+ / 0-)
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          The GOP cannot afford to oppose it.  But it's not something they want.  
          That's why their backs are to the wall.

          •  Dartagnan - the GOP has at least three years (0+ / 0-)

            to work on immigration reform. They can certainly oppose what ever is on the table at the moment. The idea that their back is to the wall right now is total nonsense. I do think that some Republicans want to find a bill they can support, but there is no urgency. Border enforcement will be the sticky point between the Dems and GOP.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:12:51 PM PST

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    •  So the president should abdicate governing (7+ / 0-)

      and hope Rubio has the pull to get something passed. Newsflash, the far right wing doesn't want immigration reform passed. Should millions of people simply cross their fingers and hope that this one time, the GOP will behave like adults and pass a bill? Utter nonsense.

      What the president is doing is called governing and that we now expect so little of the opposition, is sad statement regarding US politics in the 21st century.  

      When the president did not have his own health care bill and handed it over to Congress, there were complaints he failed to lead. Welcome to the second term, no more Mr. Nice Guy.

      It's the Central Limit Theorem, Stupid!

      by smartdemmg on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:12:32 AM PST

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    •  My sense of the politics of this (7+ / 0-)

      is exactly opposite.

      Obama showed them the stick he would use to beat them with if they didn't get their bill put together and passed. I see nothing wrong, and everything right, with that approach.

    •  Maybe the WH didn't leak it (1+ / 0-)
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      The Nose

      ...maybe this was a leak from a mole in Dept. of Homeland Security or the AG's office, for example.  I'm sure there are many executive departments that have a hand in crafting this and so there are probably 100s of people who may have been able to access it, who aren't Obama people, and who wanted to undercut the process.

    •  because conservatives just complain (1+ / 0-)
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      If the White House does not have a proposal, then conservatives are going to say that nothing is happening because they want leadership.

      As it is the conservatives have to deal with a proposal.  The White House has done something, and conservatives are going to either have to accept it as reasonable, and piss of the base, or denounce it, and piss off the immigrants.

      Frankly both the left and right are not making any friends with immigrants, which is why Liberals do so badly in Texas.  Immigrants want a fair chance to be hired based only on ability and work ethic, and when they own business they want to hire who they wish.  Immigrants want safe borders and safe communities in which wealth can be amassed, children educated, and grandchildren enjoyed.

      It is not complicated.  It is not anti-american.  Hard work, kids, wealth, the government not saying you can hire these lazy people, but not those who will actually do a days work.

      Liberals can take the lead in this, because conservatives are so attached to the aristocracy all they can do is serve their masters.

  •  Marco Polo Rubio Incredibly Loud (8+ / 0-)

    and Extremely thirsty

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:33:08 AM PST

    •  More important than "the drink," Rubio's Cuban. (3+ / 0-)
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      JML9999, DSPS owl, rubyduby7

      The special treatment that illegally immigrating Cubans enjoy, as compared to people from all other Latin American countries, is lost on precisely no one. Talk to Colombians, Mexicans, Guatemalans, Chileans, Haitians, etc. They are keenly aware of the inequality of treatment between themselves and Cubans when it comes to immigration. It's not perceived as exactly fair, and it provokes resentment. It appears to have something of an effect, too, on Cubans' view of other Latinos, whom, in Miami, they commonly deride as "indios." This is not lost on non-Cuban Latinos.

      These are reasons that Rubio's being the GOP's token Latino and the one on whom they are pinning their hopes for winning the hearts of Latinos more broadly, seems not a little ill-conceived.

      The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

      by psnyder on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:42:36 AM PST

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    •  And I do not trust him any further than the length (1+ / 0-)
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      of his arm to reach the water bottle. LOL!!!!

      Republicans cannot be trusted to get anything done and done right.

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      by wishingwell on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:15:43 AM PST

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      •  This was floyd r turbo stagecraft (0+ / 0-)

        From a sitting senator who spoke at the RNC, CPAC, CSPAN in addition to working the Rubber chicken circuit and he choked...

        I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

        by JML9999 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:21:18 AM PST

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  •  I can see (3+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, drdarkeny, skillet

    I can see that we are not in any danger of  Republicans  growing  up anytime soon.

  •  Couple of them clearly explain the problem (5+ / 0-)
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    eXtina, smartdemmg, elmo, pamelabrown, askew
    Texas Republicans asserted Wednesday that President Barack Obama set back such pet causes as an immigration overhaul by emphasizing them in his State of the Union speech, because he’s so toxic to them that whatever he asks, they’ll oppose.
    said Rep. John Carter of Round Rock. “If it’s Obama’s bill, it won’t get the support it needs.”

    "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

    by Catte Nappe on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:45:38 AM PST

  •  I think it's all strategy... (3+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, elmo, freerad

    Give the GOP something to rant against, to take back to their teabagger supporters and say "hey, I had to vote for this (Senate Plan), or Obama was going to force amnesty to pass".  

    Also it helps hold the Senate proposal where it's at, versus having it pulled to the right now, and further right by the House.  

    Keystone XL Pipeline - Canada gets the money, Asia gets the oil, America gets the toxic refinery pollution and potential for a pipeline leak ecological disaster.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:49:01 AM PST

  •  Never Satisfied (9+ / 0-)

    Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing that if President Obama does not 'put out' draft legislation, the republicans claim everything is his fault because he doesn't have a plan.

    But when he does put out draft legislation, they attack him for going to far, butting in, ruining things, poisoning the well, etc.

    It seems to be getting more and more childish by the day.

    Saw a blog post the other day that a polling company discovered that most republicans are in favor of President Obama's immigration policies/suggestions, as long as you do not tell them they are President Obama's.  Once his name is associated with it, they are no longer in favor.

    I would think it would be painful to hold that level of cognitive dissidence at all times.

    •  Exactly, just the word, Obama, sends Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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      smartdemmg, SilverWillow

      over the deep end into hysteria, fear, hate.

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      by wishingwell on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:59:51 AM PST

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    •  Not just Republicans (3+ / 0-)
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      askew, wishingwell, SilverWillow

      There are critics here, right in this thread.

    •  They'll keep obstructing until 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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      zizi, SilverWillow

      Because surely the voting public will come to their senses by then and give someone like Rand Paul or Marco Rubio the keys to the kingdom.

      Delusion. Thy name is Republicanism.

    •  Own Goal (0+ / 0-)

      If Democrats leaked this, they made a big mistake.

      The status quo on immigration is not good or fair or humane. However the status quo, for the moment, favors Democrats.

      What Obama should have done is:
      1)Ignore any criticism about him not having/presenting a plan.
      2)Express concerns about Rubio's plan, in fact, subtly attack it from the right. Rand Paul would unsubtly attack it from the far right and the Republican Civil War would be on.
      3)Watch Rubio's bill fail and then take executive actions to ameliorate the situation. Republicans get the blame; Democrats get the credit for the little bit of progress made; and the Democratic nominee gets to campaign for immigration reform and the necessity of a Democratic congressional majority in 2016 to make it happen.

      With this leak, Rubio and Rand Paul have already attacked Obama's plan, from the right, and the pundits will be nitpicking it, and now Obama has to play defense. He should have kept the Republicans on defense long enough for them to start their intraparty civil war.

  •  Then, now (5+ / 0-)
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    smartdemmg, elmo, askew, DSPS owl, Egalitare
    Boehner says Obama should take lead on immigration

    JIM ABRAMS | November 9, 2012 01:09 PM EST | AP

    WASHINGTON — House Speaker John Boehner on Friday said it was time to address immigration policy and urged President Barack Obama to take the lead in coming up with a plan that would look at both improved enforcement of immigration law and the future of the estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally.


    "It's just time to get the job done," Boehner said at a news conference. He said lawmakers from both parties want to resolve the issue. "But again, on an issue this big, the president has to lead."


    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 08:59:00 AM PST

  •  John McCain, aspiring to be (3+ / 0-)
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    elmo, askew, wishingwell

    the most hated man in America.

    And succeeding!

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:06:38 AM PST

  •  An acute espisode of ODS* (1+ / 0-)
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    *Obama Derangement Syndrome  

    If you don't want to be kept in the dark and lathered with horse dung, stop acting like a mushroom.

    by nomorerepukes on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:11:16 AM PST

  •  What's that old saying? (1+ / 0-)
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    About as far as I could throw one--republican---that is.

    Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

    by lyvwyr101 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:17:03 AM PST

  •  What? That's crazy talk! (0+ / 0-)
    and that this bill only becomes relevant if (as per usual) Congress makes a lot of noise but doesn't actually get a bill done.

    I don't get mad. I get stabby!" - Fat Tony D'Amico

    by sizzzzlerz on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:21:35 AM PST

  •  "Charlie Brown" (0+ / 0-)

    and "football" come to mind. Just saying, Republicans.

    "No one has the right to spend their life without being offended." Philip Pullman

    by zaynabou on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:23:00 AM PST

  •  Marco Rubio (1+ / 0-)
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    Another not ready for prime-time politician who would fade into wood-worked obscurity if there really was a God that didn't have a warped sense of humor.

    Imagine he and Elizabeth Warren in a debate.

  •  Trust, But Verify (1+ / 0-)
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    That's what King Ronnie said.  And so far, every time the Democrats have trusted the Republicans, they've been screwed.  Witness the Reid-McConnell so-called "gentleman's agreements" in the Senate.   Once the Republicans begin to earn trust again, they should be treated with skepticism.  That's the only safe course of action.  Would you try to pet a rattle snake?

  •  Is Rubio so thirsty because he's half-baked? n/t (2+ / 0-)
  •  Aren't these the same (1+ / 0-)
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    fucking clowns who insisted it was up to the Senate to craft a spending bill last year?

    And cry (lie) that the President had never send them a jobs bill?

    Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

    by delphine on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:59:07 AM PST

  •  Rubio thirsts for relevance on immigration... (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, Egalitare

    ...seems like an appropriate headline. :)

  •  Half baked and flawed (1+ / 0-)
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    That describes Marco Rubio perfectly.  Hey Rubio u look like u need some more watering.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:02:17 AM PST

  •  Air quotes were for (0+ / 0-)

    Hello, I'm "Senator" Rubio

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:47:35 AM PST

  •  I'm glad the WH is pushing Congress. (0+ / 0-)

    Obama made clear that this will be a political issue next year if the GOP elects to kill immigration reform efforts.

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:53:05 AM PST

  •  They are so full of shit. (0+ / 0-)

    If the president produces a plan, it's hyperpartisan and ultra-liberal.

    If he doesn't produce a plan, he's failing to lead.

    The guy is never allowed to appear as if he comes up on top on literally every issue.  Has David Gregory figured this out?

  •  you can trust the republicans (0+ / 0-)

    on one thing and one thing only, that is to be anti democratic and anti american dream, in those they are consistent.

  •  Elite old White Men (0+ / 0-)

    It is so very sad! Marco Rubio, the republican's Great Brown Hope is, as evidenced by his opinions and philosophy, just another elite old white man.

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