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Former U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) testifies during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on his nomination to be Defense Secretary, on Capitol Hill in Washington, January 31, 2013. Hagel, 66, is a decorated Vietnam War veteran and a former two-te
Chuck Hagel, first-ever filibustered defense secretary nominee
Sen. Lindsey Graham has apparently decided that he's done enough by instigating the first-ever filibuster of a defense secretary nominee in blocking Chuck Hagel on the first vote, so he's moving on and taking Sen. John McCain with him. They've made their point. Carrying it further will be pretty impossible because there is no substance to their opposition, just the same manufactured outrage against anything President Obama does in order to keep the base happy.

The unprecedented filibuster of Hagel makes an absolute mockery of the watered down filibuster reform the Senate agreed to less than a month ago, an outcome that was entirely predictable. It also demonstrates how much of an opportunity Senate Democrats let slip away. Majority Leader Harry Reid said this filibuster is "tragic."

"It is tragic that they have decided to filibuster this qualified nominee," said Reid. "It is really unfortunate." [...]

"This isn't high school getting ready for a football game, or some play being produced at a high school," said Reid. "In less than two hours, our country will be without a secretary of defense."

That's Reid's first—and biggest—mistake. It's hard to believe that he hasn't realized by now that the governing of the nation absolutely is a game for Republicans. Maybe this episode will be enough to finally convince him otherwise. Just in case, let's make it very clear for him: It's time to revisit real filibuster reform.

Please sign our petition urging Harry Reid to re-open the process of filibuster reform in the Senate.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:35 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (32+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:35:06 AM PST

  •  The only difference between Sen. Harry Reid and (9+ / 0-)

    a dog crapping on the sidewalk, is that the law mandates someone clean up after the dog.

  •  This is the problem with electoral politics. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Gentle Giant

    You can elect them, but then...

    That's why I say elections are like a downpayment on the entrance fee to participating in the olympics for change. You stop there and you might as well have bought a lottery ticket...

    The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

    by Words In Action on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 09:49:29 AM PST

  •  reid had to known the pukes would have no (6+ / 0-)

    compunction about violating any nonbinding pinkie swears he chose to believe rather than getting rid of the filibuster.

    who cares why?

    it's political malpractice.

    Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. - Gandalf the Grey

    by No Exit on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:10:43 AM PST

    •  It's more like "avoided reform opportunities" (9+ / 0-)

      than "missed reform opportunities."

      Washington Generals vs. Harlem Globetrotters.

      •  Flamboyantly avoided reform opportunities (3+ / 0-)
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        jds1978, No Exit, sxp151

        They avoid these opportunities with great panache.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:33:56 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  It's getting harder and harder to ignore... (0+ / 0-)

          If the senate can't fix themselves, how do we fix the senate?

          I'm leaning strongly onwards the belief that structural reform will have to be imposed by the outside before we really begin to address our problems....  How strong must public pressure become before congress acts effectively on behalf of the people?  Or are we pat that point and its simply a matter of how fast the pot boils....

          Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. - Gandalf the Grey

          by No Exit on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:53:13 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Which is why I won't be signing another .... (4+ / 0-)
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        paradox, No Exit, sxp151, Losty
        Washington Generals vs. Harlem Globetrotters.
        ....petition about the issue.  I've already signed two.  

        This space for rent -- Cheap!

        by jds1978 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:44:11 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I think I've signed more than two... (1+ / 0-)
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          jds1978

          Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. - Gandalf the Grey

          by No Exit on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:53:47 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  A little late for a petition, eh. (4+ / 0-)

          I keep seeing that link in various diaries and I can't imagine what the authors think could possibly come of it. The dems had one chance to reform the senate rules by simple majority. And they blew it. Again.

          How many failures like this til we plebes understand that they are not "mistakes"? Reid go what he wanted: four more years of broken government.

          A better question is why did he want that result?

          How many divisions does OWS have?

          by Diebold Hacker on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 12:08:20 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  more rope to hang themselves? (0+ / 0-)

            Just speculating wildly here, but it might be that Harry Reid is playing a really long game, hoping the '14 elections will see a lot of Repubs get dumped for continuing to (bleep) up the country.  Seems more likely than the possibility that he actually trusted them not to break their pinky swear.   Too bad he has to sacrifice two years of legislating to achieve this, though.

            I will be doing whatever I can (thru OFA maybe?) to turn out a lot of D's in '14 to help accomplish this.  

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            by Avast Ye Swobbie on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:04:38 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  It's KABUKI. (11+ / 0-)

      It's right in front of our faces all the time.

      At any moment, on most any given issue, the 'desired outcome' is already a done deal and we have this elaborate, expensive charade in which it APPEARS like the 'process' is involved.

      It's just smoke, bullshit and mirrors.

      if Harry wanted filibuster reform, we'd have it.

      Why would Harry NOT want to lose the filibuster? Because it's part of the kabuki. Dems have the task of throwing the fight more often than not. Throwing the fight - as Harry did with filibuster - do NOT talk to me about he didn't have the votes: motherfucker is supposed to be a leader: fucking lead and you'll have the fucking votes - he threw the fight and then, according to the SCRIPT he laments a tragedy when he fucking fell on the floor and pretended to have been hit.

      It's disgusting and so full of weakness, I can't believe we're talking about educated people.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:24:15 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Here's what you leave out of (1+ / 0-)
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      the discussion.  People who disliked Scott Walker voted for him again, against the recall.  Fairness seems to have been the defining argument.  I heard one man say "We were stupid enough to vote him into office.  We can vote him out in 2 years.  You make bad choices, you pay the price and do better next time."

      I think Filibuster Reform hit a fairness wall, with the public.  It's up to us to educate, and this is the perfect opportunity- an unprecedented filibuster that's easy to explain.  It's possible to change minds about taking away the minority's only power when it's clear the minority can't behave like adults in serious times.

      Perception is everything.  In our media environment we are foolish to think that "doing the right thing" will be free of propaganda and the kind of spin that could lose us the Senate in 2014.  Reid makes his decisions based on long-term results, IRL.  Once the narrative turns from fairness to intransigence we can count on change.  It's on us, WaPo and the NYT won't be leading the charge.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 12:06:39 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Please keep up the "I told you so" drumbeat (11+ / 0-)

    I'm being sincere here, not sarcastic. Let's hammer away on that all session — all two years — long.

    Reid said so himself.

    Sen. Harry Reid on filibuster reform deal: "wrong," "what a shame"
    By Simplify
    Jan. 23, 2013

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 10:58:50 AM PST

  •  Yes, but McConnell absolutely promises that in (4+ / 0-)

    2015 whoever replaces him as minority leader won't abuse the filibuster. Really.

    "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

    by TofG on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:06:37 AM PST

  •  I want to laugh, but it's so serious and pathetic (4+ / 0-)
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    And it reinforces the jaded cynicism of somebody like me who CANNOT POSSIBLY overlook the appearance that Kabuki is protected at all costs, that our "democratic process' is a fucking scam to screw us systematically without making it so bad people do the RIGHT thing [edited - we can't discuss the right thing here. Sends a bad message]

    We are going to be sold out, tricked, deceived, defrauded and fucked repeatedly.

    At least until these buffoons get the impression they should fear us. There is nothing intimidating about Americans.

    Americans tolerate everything politicians do to them - why do you think they think they can get away with something as shitty as austerity?

    Because they KNOW americans will never [do the thing that would make the rich grab their asses].

    Farmers aren't really afraid of their cattle for the same reason.

    Harry represents the farmer.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:13:29 AM PST

  •  Hagel is going to be confirmed (2+ / 0-)
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    Gentle Giant, I love OCD

    and Republicans can't cry that they were victims of Reid's nasty filibuster reform.

    There was a scene in Northern Exposure where Marilyn Whirlwind tells the story about the gift of a horse to one of the braves of the village.  The villagers alternate between believing the horse is good or bad depending on what happens.  It is initially good but then the horse throws the brave and it is bad.  After each turn of events, the sage one of the village tells the villagers "We'll see".

    For all those who think that changing the filibuster rules would have magically cured everything all I can say is "We'll see."

    •  Illustrative. (6+ / 0-)
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      bear83, jds1978, diffrntdrummr, shaf, sxp151, Losty

      Only reason Hagel will be confirmed is that the GOP is bored with it.

      I suppose this is the new normal in presidential appointments. No more deference to the executive branch with respect to the president choosing his own cabinet. Now, even that is subject to Senate dysfunction.

      There should be a Supreme Court seat coming open as soon as this Summer. Not to mention the hundreds of other judgships, thousands of lower level administration appointments and more. We may as well ask John McCain and Mitch McConnell who they want since, as we see here, no deference will be given to this president and Democrats will not change the rules.

      •  Not bored, but they'll have moved on to (0+ / 0-)

        the next "scandal".  Their purpose is to infinitely delay and corrupt legislation signed by a Democratic president.  Any vehicle that works for those purpose is worth driving off whatever cliff they can try to steer it towards.

      •  Whose seat? (0+ / 0-)

        I know I don't pay attention to the Supremes as much as I should, what without Mary Wilson and all, but whose seat will be open?

        God help us if it's Ginsburg.  

      •  The "hopeless helpless" attitude here is (0+ / 0-)

        really discouraging.  We scream about our lousy media and ignore how they impact these issues.  Calling Reid a sellout and weakling is all very satisfying, what are you doing in your life to educate people?  Signing a Kos petition is some action, telling your friends and co-workers and family to make a phone call to a Republican senator and tell them how disgusted they are will have some impact.  

        Cornyn and Cruz don't give a shit about me, they're going to care if 30 or 40 Texans call and tell them to get busy running the damn country or resign. Multiply that by every Dem in Texas and they'll be scared shitless to keep this up.

        We, The People!  Harry Reid and Barack Obama are not there to save us from the Big Meanies.  It's on us.  

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 12:21:05 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Oh, whoopee. (8+ / 0-)

    The Republicans are going to relent and allow another Republican to become a Cabinet member.

    Excuse the hell out of me if I, as a Democrat, disclaim having a dog in this fight.

  •  You'll be glad it's still there (0+ / 0-)

    when President Rubio trys to appoint "I can see Russia from my nuthouse" Secretary of State.

    "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

    by durrati on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:19:57 AM PST

    •  Nope. GOP will go with the "constitutional option" (4+ / 0-)

      the second they get challenged. They're corrupt but also not Harry Reid whimpy.

      "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

      by TofG on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:22:53 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

        If they do they break their own toy.

        "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

        by durrati on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34:01 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  The Most Depressing Thing... (3+ / 0-)
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        has been that the Dems just want everybody to be friends.  The filibuster in its present form, not requiring the minority to go out there and talk and talk and talk, Strom Thurmond circa 1975 style, is too easy to use.  It's under the radar, so citizens who get frustrated because nothing is happening can't tell where to point the finger.  

        By this filibuster "reform", Reid has given control of the Senate over to the minority.  You know those guys - the ones who didn't win?  The losers?  The guys who DIDN'T get elected to run stuff?  

    •  Repubs don't adhere to any of the rules Dems are (4+ / 0-)
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      jds1978, fungiblechattel, sxp151, Losty

      supposed to.

      Another part of the Kabuki.

      It's how the American government can have democratic majorities everywhere and still get jack shit accomplished.

      it's why Dems NEEDLESSLY cave on needless shit they always - almost invariably - cave on.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:29:37 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  unlax zom (1+ / 0-)
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        I love OCD

        we've actually accomplished quite a lot, that's why they're booby-trappin' the hedgerows....

        "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

        by durrati on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:37:44 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  A better solution to this "advise & consent" crap (0+ / 0-)

      would be to allow the President to appoint anyone he/she likes to a cabinet post, but that the Senate retains the power to dismiss that cabinet member with a two-thirds vote at any time. That would allow the President to get the cabinet in place quickly upon election or re-election, but give the Senate and active, ongoing role in overseeing the Executive branch.

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:33:48 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Or a change that exempts (0+ / 0-)

        cabinet appointments from filibuster... but that doesn't prevent my nightmare scenario...

        "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

        by durrati on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:35:44 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  I know it's not right (2+ / 0-)
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    xxdr zombiexx, Spider Jerusalem

    but can't someone just out Lindsay and get him out of the picture?  I've never liked him, but he has gotten so obnoxious in his attempt to avoid being teabagged in the primary that I just want him gone.

    •  This is politics. (2+ / 0-)
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      Maverick80229, sxp151

      If tables were turned, the GOP would out whomever was a Dem for whatever reason, probably for a skittle.

      The GOP will do a number of things we won't because we have boundaries and ethics and priniciples.

      At some point in time, one does need to acknowledge that one is getting one's ass kicked hard and a change of tactics is just smart thinking.

      Do unto them FIRST and hard.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:39:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hagel may be qualified, but I have to believe that (2+ / 0-)
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    jds1978, our better angels

    the President could have found someone better.  

    Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

    by SpamNunn on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:28:42 AM PST

    •  It does not matter. (1+ / 0-)
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      diffrntdrummr

      The President gets to choose his cabinet.  The Senate only gets to confirm them.  Those things are in the Constitution, while the word "filibuster" is NOT.

      The methods to Senate is using to avoid their Constitutional responsibility are quite a bit past the line of treason.

      •  It's called advice and consent. (0+ / 0-)

        You don't have to consent.   They should let it go to a vote.  If he gets a majority, that will be it, and we'll have to live with Chuck Hagel.

        Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

        by SpamNunn on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:57:49 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Better people have no place in politics. (0+ / 0-)

      If we had good politicians, imagine the state this country would be in right now.

      Proper decisons being made on principle, not partisanship; the needs of the wealthy being balanced with the greater good, fairness, insight,.... this country would be unrecognizable.

      And vastly better.

      Nope: shitty politicians are what the System needs.

      Sorry.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:41:23 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Besides, Obama is still busy trying to extend (0+ / 0-)

        olive branches to The Enemy.

        If I was a politician, I'd want Dems monopolizing everything so we could get SOMETHING done, for once.

        I don't have the spandex spine that it takes to be a politician. I'm just sayin...

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:45:53 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Obama could have at least found a Democrat (1+ / 0-)
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      I know how he is about being bipartisan, but surely somewhere in the Democratic party is a Democrat well qualified to be Secretary of Defense.  Surely.  Yes, Hagel criticized the Bush administration, but surely some Democrat out there did it too.  For the Republicans everything is about the initial after the name.  

      For Obama to be taking a hit to the chin because Republicans are opposing the appointment of a Republican is insane.  

      •  Like my old namesake, Sam Nunn. (0+ / 0-)

        Very qualified on defense issues and able to work both sides of the aisle.   I guess that disqualifies him!

        Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

        by SpamNunn on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:59:35 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  If Harry Reid had the balls, he'd threaten to go (3+ / 0-)
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    fungiblechattel, sxp151, emal

    nuclear - just like the GOP did in 2006.

    Either stop the filibusters, or we'll take the constitutional route - 50 + Joe Biden (it was Cheney back then, but it worked).

    What does Reid have to lose?

    Filibuster reform, 2013 - woulda, coulda, shoulda.

    by bear83 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:33:31 AM PST

  •  Ok, Seriously, Would you buy a Used Car from (1+ / 0-)
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    jds1978

    A.  A Republican
    B.  A Republican Politician
    C.  A Republican Senator
    D.  None of the Above

    "Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" Will Rogers offering advice to the Republican Party.

    by NM Ray on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34:24 AM PST

  •  Get rid of him. Reid has had so many opportunities (5+ / 0-)

    to learn this lesson before.  He knew this would happen when he made his choice.

    Get rid of him.  He doesn't have the balls to do anything that will help his party or his country.  All he cares about is his buddies in the Senate.

    Get rid of him.

    And maybe the next person to take up the position of Democratic leader will actually fucking lead.  If they don't, get rid of them too.

  •  I signed the petition (1+ / 0-)
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    I love OCD

    for filibuster reform, and I continue to support it,  but I think this analysis is missing an important aspect.  

    The MSM is talking about golf precisely because there is absolutely no substance to McCain and Graham's arguments, and because Reid's point, that the President has a right to appoint his Secretary of Defense, is valid. This is just  looking away after McCain and Graham farted.  The smell is lingering a bit longer than anyone expected.

    Ultimately, the Wall Street people, the defense industry, they don't like this, because it shows the  Republicans are as weak as they look.  

    If Lindsay Graham is known to be responsible for the public embarrassment, and he did it to save himself, that is a doubly GOOD result of Reid's deal.

     

    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Vatexia on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:38:33 AM PST

  •  Will 51 votes get us filibuster reform ... (1+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl

    ... at this point in the legislative calendar? Or will it take 60 or 67?

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:42:15 AM PST

  •  Another possibility-monkeys may fly out of my butt (1+ / 0-)
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    diffrntdrummr

    The odds are just about equal to those of Harry Reid changing the filibuster rules, no matter the pressure.

    New Arizona State Motto; "Yeah, but it's a dry hate!"

    by Fordmandalay on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:49:23 AM PST

  •  I'm tired of looking at... (1+ / 0-)
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    nwsound

    Harry Reid lament each and every latest filibuster.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:50:14 AM PST

  •  Where's the stick? (1+ / 0-)
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    emal

    He was "asked" last time.  Without a stick, he wont listen this time either.   This was no "mistake".  It was calculated collateral damage.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

    by dkmich on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 11:52:53 AM PST

  •  This scene comes to mind when Repubs trick Dems (0+ / 0-)

  •  They've made their point? (1+ / 0-)
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    Losty

    The message seems to have been "I can piss on you". They did it because they could.

  •  the diary says that Graham's "made his point" (0+ / 0-)

    ...could you explain to me exactly what that point was? He delayed approval on a nomination for a week or two, causing the Congress to spend more time, energy, effort and resources, including taxpayer dollars, than would otherwise have been necessary.

    And now...two weeks and many taxpayer dollars later...he's decided that holding up the nomination is no longer important as it was.

    Exactly what was his point?

  •  All I Can Say Is -- (2+ / 0-)
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    Losty, nwsound

    "It is tragic that they have decided to filibuster this qualified nominee," said Reid.

    All I can say is --

    GIMME A BOO!  GIMME A HOO!  GIMME A BOO-HOO-HOO!

    "It's hard to believe that he hasn't realized by now that the governing of the nation absolutely is a game for Republicans."

    I'm sure that he has enough smarts to get it.  In that case, then either he is nice and comfy with the Republican game-playing, or else he is a stealth Republican.

    "Maybe this episode will be enough to finally convince him otherwise. Just in case, let's make it very clear for him: It's time to revisit real filibuster reform."

    And I would respectfully suggest that Kos continue to beat this drum.  There ARE times when it is appropriate to continue beating a dead  horse, and Harry Reid's abhorance of and hostility towards filibuster reform is one of those times.

  •  A modest proposal (0+ / 0-)

    A. I think Progressives should start running in primaries, maybe ALL primaries.

    Sure,  we may not win very often, but the sitting establishment Democrats (and staff) will have to spend time and money responding to a Progressive critique of their past actions.

    By running more Progressives, they will also gain experience for later campaigns.  And as a bonus we get leaders like (now) Sen. Elizabeth Warren when we win.

    B.  On a dual track we must also move forward public finance options for campaigns.  This is our best chance to curb the influence of our oligarchs in politics.

    After much though and research, I believe these two strategies are achievable.

    The Problem With Money in Politics - Lawrence Lessig, Harvard Law

    Lists of Congresspeoples by seniority (and coincidently often a reverse list of progressiveness!):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

  •  Is memory that short? (0+ / 0-)

    Do you remember when W was president and the Repubs led congress?  They were going to "reform" filibusters in 2005 over judicial filibusters, I think they were convinced that this was a double edged sword since some day we would back in power.  I think something needs to change but to think reducing the power of the minority is always a great thing is exactly not what being a liberal progressive is about. And to keep the ammunition we're getting by continuing to be able to point to the republicans as the obstacle to a functioning government may get us the 60 and House majority sooner than later.  I found this, it may be helpful.

    The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking. A. A. Milne

    by Memory Corrupted on Mon Feb 18, 2013 at 05:33:51 PM PST

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