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Originally posted to Comics on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:50 AM PST.

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  •  Media coverage was over-the-top. (20+ / 0-)

    It's not as if the captain ran his ship aground and sank it. There's no sense of perspective in broadcast news any more.

    The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

    by TheOrchid on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 06:53:26 AM PST

  •  This should have been 2 1/2 minutes. (14+ / 0-)

    If that.  

    The country faces crises in governing, jobs, climate, banking, gun safety, education, labor relations, and dozens of other critical issues, none of which got even a fraction of this kind of coverage.

    I will never have enough money to fritter away on a cruise and I'm guessing the majority of Americans are like me.      

    Metaphors be with you.

    by koosah on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:02:03 AM PST

    •  Can't afford to cruise even in my car. (5+ / 0-)

      My cousin's wife was aboard the Triumph and went through the whole ordeal. She's no wilting flower, being a gun-totin' cajun woman from LA.

      When a local radio station asked if I could hook them up with an interview, she declined saying, "I don't know if I'd be able to speak very long about it before breaking down."

      I know her. She's tough. If the ordeal affected her that powerfully, it is more horrific than I'd previously thought- moreso than even the media conveyed.

      Because of her reaction to the experience, I will refrain from making light of it. She is not some self-involved princess. This was very very bad.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:19:19 AM PST

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    •  Carnival cruises are cheap - that's why people go (0+ / 0-)

      an inside cabin is $300 a person (double occupancy) and a suite $600 per person (double occupancy) food and entertainment included for 3 - 7 nights depending on the package.  

      Vegas is more expensive.  Disney is more expensive.  Driving to my parents house was more expensive.

      And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

      by Mortifyd on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 01:44:22 PM PST

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  •  Ya know.... (10+ / 0-)

    Whine, whine, whine....
    The majority of the world couldn't afford a cruise.
    AND quite a few people of the world experience these hardships on a daily basis, there is no Port waiting to end their nightmare.
    I'm sorry the passengers had to go through the inconveniences they did, but they got a full refund and money for their 'hardship'.  
    They weren't coddled and treated like royalty, but they were safe.  Again, I'm sorry for their 'cruise-gone-bad' experience, but get a grip media, this isn't an earth shattering piece of news.  It's about some people who paid for a cruise and it went bad, unfortunately, sometimes, sh*t happens.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:21:45 AM PST

  •  CNN... (3+ / 0-)
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    rbird, hnichols, Nautical Knots

    I read somewhere recently CNN is now in contact with Jerry Springer.  The CNN bosses are seeking Jerry's advice on how to make a smooth transition from CNN's current FOX News-mimicking format to a new Jerry Springer Show-mimicking format.

      Fortunate for CNN, shortly after Jerry's meeting with the CNN executives, the disabled cruise ship thing came about.

    The CNN executives, obviously,  took Jerry's sage advice & here we are.

    Next week be looking for Wolf Blitzer to toss a chair at the head of Erin Burnett.  

    I'm worse at what I do best/ And for this gift I feel blessed. - Kurt Cobain

    by wyvern on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:23:41 AM PST

  •  These ships are mega-disasters waiting to happen (7+ / 0-)

    4,000 passengers packed onto these badly run, poorly maintained, questionably commanded floating cities, all flagged under banana republic countries to escape regulations and inspection. It's just a matter of time, and the media is drooling just waiting for the story.

    But we are sick and tired of hearing your song/ Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong/'Cause if you really want to hear our views/You haven't done nothing! - Stevie

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:24:37 AM PST

  •  Lots of ship are registered in foreign countries (5+ / 0-)

    Too avoid taxes and safety inspection and regulation,and only laws that really apply to them are those issues by the International  Maritme Law ,and are staff primary by foreign workers ,  

    •  I suspect that there are some oil tankers (0+ / 0-)

      under international flags that pose far greater safety hazards than anything Carnival could put on the water.

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 01:57:44 PM PST

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  •  The real story with this one should have been (19+ / 0-)

    how hard the crew continued to work to mitigate the situation, a crew that is often underpaid, undervalued, and often foreign.

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:43:14 AM PST

  •  Was it a story? Of course (4+ / 0-)
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    RickD, Subterranean, hnichols, Paper Cup

    Did it deserve the level of coverage it got? No.

    I've been on cruises. I love it. I'll go again once I've saved up enough.

    I don't like carnival though. They seem to cut too many corners for my taste.

    I've been on cruises where certain parts of the ship had some toilet issues. Not at the level of this, not even close.

    The systems on these ships are complex and interrelated. Just like on a navy ship. There are backups for the backups, and if the ship (and the company that owns it) are run well, the ship doesn't leave port until everything checks out perfectly.

    The triumph had problems before. Most cruise lines, IMO wouldn't have let it leave without being totally satisfied that everything was right. Or they would have put it into dry dock. Or sold it to some other low cost or foreign line.

    The crew are the real heroes. Cruise ship crews work long and hard, and are almost away the most pleasant people you could ever meet. They make pretty decent money (my nephew has a friend who used to work on them) but it comes at long periods away from family, and long, long hours.

    Most Americans don't want that kind of work, and they don't want to do it away from family and friends.

    •  I've been on a Carnival cruise (7+ / 0-)

      and I actually enjoyed it.  

      Carnival cruises are the bargain basement of the cruising industry.  People should know that.  

      I have no idea what CNN was thinking.  I saw that this was on wall-to-wall coverage there and I was baffled.  With all due respect to the passengers, this was largely a story of inconvenience.  Now imagine if, instead of several hundred people stuck in unsanitary conditions, you had several hundred people who lost their jobs, or who were fighting cancer, or living on the street.  

      We have people living through worse conditions than this on a daily basis, some within walking distance of the White House.  But they get no coverage.

      •  Honestly, I can't understand why people (0+ / 0-)

        pay for these things.  I had no sympathy for the passengers.

        Wouldn't it be much easier to lock yourself into a hotel and pretend you're on a ship?  At least you could escape if you wanted to climb out a window and the rest of us wouldn't be dragged into the melodrama.

        •  I used to think that way too (1+ / 0-)
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          We went on a Carnival cruise several years ago. I was sure I was going to hate it and be bored out of my mind. It turned out to be a lot of fun. You're never forced to partake in activities you're not interested in. It gives you the opportunity to meet new people, but again, doesn't force you to mingle with the lone exception of meals.

          The ships today are behemoths, easily 50% larger than the one we cruised on, and we though ours was big.

        •  It's not like a hotel (0+ / 0-)

          It's like Disneyland.

          They're almost that big. Like to gamble? There's a casino. Want to be pampered? There's a spa, and a full service salon, and masseurs. There's a fully equipped gym, and yoga lessons (often on the beach when you're in port). There's a track, and a volleyball court, a basketball court, and wave riders, and rock walls. There are computers, and often computer classes. There are cooking classes, and cooking demonstrations, and sometimes lectures on the ports you're going to. There are shows, and games, and nightclubs.

          And if you want to do nothing but sit by the pool and veg, you can do that too.

          We took our son and his family one time. He spent years in the navy, on a carrier, so he knows big ships.

          He was very impressed. And the ship we went on wasn't the largest either, though it was very big.

          It's far more than a hotel. And the service is almost always better than anything you get in any hotel.

      •  It's all relative, of course. (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm sure it was a major drag for those customers, particularly those who are elderly and would have difficulty being faced with that stressful situation.

        But CNN covering it non-stop... as if it were a terrorist attack, or a tsunami, or some other earth-shaking cataclysm... yeah, I think they've lost whatever tenuous hold they once had on reality.

        But this kind of crap is all they've got left. They've ceded their conservative viewership to the right (though they try valiantly to hang on to their half-dozen lingering wingnuts), and they've long since ceased making a play for a progressive viewership (which they have not pursued at all).

        Now, all that remains is some ill-defined muddle in the middle -- or better still, off to the side. These are not centrists (the kind of moderates who have sober, well-thought-out positions that lean a hair to the right on some things, a hair to the left on others), nor are they independents (people with plucky, idiosyncratic views outside either major party norm).

        No, the types of people they're after are the kinds of folk who can't name the sitting president, or who don't know what state they inhabit, or who eat paste. So the only way you're going to hang on to those folks is not by haranguing them with either partisan diatribes or sober analysis. The only way you get to hang onto this viewership is by dangling a bright, shiny object in front of them until they tire of it.

        Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

        by Dale on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 02:09:02 PM PST

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  •  CNN: News for people who don't really want any. (4+ / 0-)
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    TampaCPA, mungley, nolagrl, hnichols

    Father Time remains undefeated.

    by jwinIL14 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:05:58 AM PST

  •  just think. If a Congress member had been (4+ / 0-)
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    mungley, hnichols, Nautical Knots, Dumbo

    on that cruise there would be legislation introduced to "do something about this"

  •  Panel 2... (5+ / 0-)

    I've been telling people the same thing. That, and with miles of ocean all around, why did the passengers choose to pee in the halls?

    •  Because Obama was reelected?? (1+ / 0-)
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      He's Superman!!!

      Jesus died to save you from Yahweh.

      by nolagrl on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 10:43:34 AM PST

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    •  or shit in the showers and sinks (0+ / 0-)

      when they were given bags to do that in?  I guess it's more fun to make someone else clean it up.

      Most of the world shits in plastic bags.  They were beyond the 12 mile limit most of the time and it's perfectly legal to dump human waste overboard outside the 12 mile line.

      They had a bad cruise experience.  It's not the end of the world.

      And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

      by Mortifyd on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 01:49:47 PM PST

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  •  Yup. (E.O.M.) (3+ / 0-)
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    mungley, hnichols, Dumbo

    "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

    by kenlac on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:52:19 AM PST

  •  In Other Words, Please Don't (1+ / 0-)
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    cut the military budjet, cause some dangerous zealots might get all rogue and mavericky on us.

  •  A cruise voyage turned into a (4+ / 0-)

    camping trip, and the media freaked.  Typical.  Most of the blow-dried airheads on TV-Machine news would crack if they had to use an outhouse.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:26:09 AM PST

  •  I'm in Denmark. (3+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, Nautical Knots, Mortifyd

    And I sort of keep CNN on the background all the time.

    And when I saw this story being pushed for hours it caught my attention because I wondered what the hell must have happened that warranted such attention.

    Alas, it was just inconvenienced white people.

    It seemed so strange the tone that CNN took in reporting that story.

    I remember the reporter asking one person how they would get home and they said "my husband has a plane and they're flying to get me" and I just thought how absurd the whole thing was.

    Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

    by aguadito on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:54:33 AM PST

  •  First World Problems (1+ / 0-)
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    Paper Cup

    No, seriously. It's a web site.

  •  Ed Henry is right. This is how it ALL started: (0+ / 0-)

    1933.  One day, Hitler had famed German boxer Max Schmeling over to smoke cigars and play horseshoes in the backyard.  


    The German press corps complained the next day, and Hitler closed down all newspapers and put them under the jurisdiction of Goebbel's Propaganda office.

    A few brave reporters, however, carried on despite the dangers, and managed to snap a few pictures of Hitler playing pinochle and Eva's new dog begging for pretzels.  They smuggled those pictures out of the country, some dying in the endeavour, shot by SS at the Swiss border.  

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