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The real agenda behind the Catfood Commission leaders, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, has now been revealed with a Simpson-Bowles 2.0 plan, which they're proposing as a grand bargain alternative to the sequester. Where in the original proposal, they had to work with others—including some genuine Democrats—to create their plan, this is all them and their Fix the Debt corporate bigwigs. Accordingly, whereas the original had a roughly one-to-one spending cuts to new revenue formula, this one is three-to-one cuts to revenue. Here's what that looks like:

Pie charts showing 1-1 and 3-1 spending cuts/revenue increases in both plans from Simpson-Bowles.
The plan calls for $2.4 trillion in new savings over the next decade, which would double the sequester. Of that, $600 billion would come from tax code reform, which would include lower tax rate. Of course. Because that's what Fix the Debt is all about, as Meteor Blades wrote. It's "a corporate lobby whose proposals for dealing with the nation's public debt include giving some of the most profitable corporations a tax windfall of $134 billion on their foreign earnings, much of which is now held in overseas tax havens." And how does that work? By making big cuts on the domestic spending side. Here's what the plan says:
  • Reduce Medicare and Medicaid spending by improving provider and beneficiary incentives throughout the health care system, reducing provider payments, reforming cost-sharing, increasing premiums for higher earners, adjusting benefits to account for population aging, reducing drug costs, and getting better value for our health care dollars (Feb-Dec 2013)
  • Enact comprehensive, pro-growth tax reform that eliminates or scales back most tax expenditures, with a portion of savings from tax expenditures dedicated to deficit reduction and the additional savings used to reduce rates and simplify the tax code (Feb-Dec 2013)
  • Strengthen limits on discretionary spending (Feb-Dec 2013)
  • Reduce non-health mandatory spending by reforming farm subsidies, modernizing civilian and military health and retirement programs, imposing various user fees, reforming higher education spending, and making other changes (Feb-Dec 2013)
  • Adopt chained CPI for indexing and achieve savings from program integrity (Feb-Dec 2013)
In true B-S fashion, the proposal is heavier on deficit-hysteria rhetoric than concrete policy proposals. How big will those discretionary cuts be? They don't say. Are there any specific policy recommendations beyond the chained CPI for Social Security and veterans benefits? Of course not. This is all about "pro-growth tax reform" that means more corporate tax breaks, and "enacting serious entitlement reform," which of course means starving grandma because, they note, “the aging of the population represents a significant driver of our growing debt.”

The corporate sponsors behind Simpson and Bowles must be very pleased. But this plan is likely to be even more unpopular with the actual people of the country than the original.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  I just wish these corporate whores would go (20+ / 0-)

    away.  Perhaps the worst mistake by Obama in the first term was the stupid commisssion.  But that did not support Bowles Simpson (BS, trademark pending), so they released their own report.  Now they don't even have a commission.  Bunch of bozos spreading bs.  Only the Washington media keeps elevating them.  No wonder Obama won't let them take pictures of his golf game.  :-)

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:52:50 AM PST

  •  WTF does (11+ / 0-)

    anyone take them seriously any more?
    Their first try failed to get support even from a stacked commission, and they have even less public support now (especially when people find out what they're actually proposing).

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:54:51 AM PST

    •  Because they're Very Serious People (7+ / 0-)

      They count more than us, all the people that would have to try live in our golden years under their plan. Why? Just because. It's Washington. That's why.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 11:57:48 AM PST

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      •  And Obama trusts them (1+ / 0-)
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        so they can't be all that bad, right?

        You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

        by Johnny Q on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 12:39:53 PM PST

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      •  With respect to Social Security (1+ / 0-)
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        Joan McCarter

        Weakening Social Security will force people to put more money into IRAs, 401K's etc.  This will make money for Wall St.  It will also force people to work longer and result in a labor surplus which will create a downward pressure on wages. With respect to Medicare, forcing people to pay more for their medical care or to pay for their own medical care until a later age will save money for the government and allow us to continue our ridiculous military expenditures for longer.  These savings will also allow US administrations to delay a real medical care restructuring (i.e. single payer) that would genuinely reduce medical care costs.  If your goal is for the maximum long term benefit for the American people, the various Simpson/Bowles proposals make no sense.  If your goal is to maximize transferral of wealth from the working classes to the oligarchs, they make more sense.  In terms of news coverage, I suspect some newspeople are willing accomplices while others are just intellectual lightweights.

        I'm truly sorry Man's dominion Has broken Nature's social union--Robert Burns

        by Eric Blair on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:38:47 PM PST

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      •  I Count More Than They Do (1+ / 0-)
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        1
        2
        3

        See? I've already done more math than they can.

  •  Fix-the-Debt and Third Way are pretty much... (11+ / 0-)

    ...cut from the same cloth. Bill Black explains THIS; and then there's THIS, as well.

    Words may make us feel better about those in our own Party that are working against traditional Democratic values; but, at the end of the day, the end result is all that matters.

    I think this is about to get profoundly ugly!

    We talk about the Republicans in the House being the great obfuscators; and, to a great extent this is true...but, 93 of our own Democratic rep's did NOT even sign THIS over the past few days! (Why is that?)

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 12:19:14 PM PST

  •  Why aren't we pushing the Progressive alternative? (7+ / 0-)

    I'm not at all surprised or upset that these snakes produced a snake-like report. Snakes do what snakes do.

    What can we do to push the alternative. Do we have it in us to rally the general public behind us so that they vote in the proportion that they poll?

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 12:45:50 PM PST

    •  The corporate media do not want it (1+ / 0-)
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      The "serious" alternatives are very bad for the country, but they are the solutions that are served up by the corporate media, because they are.....corporate.  We have to figure out the most effective ways to bypass the corporate media and push progressive alternatives.

      I'm truly sorry Man's dominion Has broken Nature's social union--Robert Burns

      by Eric Blair on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:44:34 PM PST

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  •  I think part of the difference in revenue (3+ / 0-)
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    is because of the American Taxpayer Relief Act -- "ATRA" -- in the plan.  I think the numbers you are looking at assume that both ATRA and the Budget Control Act stay in place, and they are looking at reductions over and above those two.

    Both the President and Simpson Bowles had always talked about $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 in revenue, and I think that's where SB is attempting to be overall.    

  •  Simpson-Bowles. (11+ / 0-)

    Those geriatric sociopaths never actually go away. They pop up like an outbreak of genital herpes, spew their shit policies, get laughed at by anyone with a functioning brain outside of the Beltway, and run off into the shadows...only to re-emerge.

    I mean, holy fuck, they never actually go away.

    The day Simpson-Bowles gets tossed will be a better day for everyone in the 99%.

    Their utterly horrible ideas should never be taken seriously. Never.

    The Grand Bargain must be stopped at all costs to protect the 99%.

    by cybrestrike on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 03:10:25 PM PST

  •  Regrets... (4+ / 0-)

    I really regret electing these two men to the position of omnipotent fiscal guru.

    Oh, wait...

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:06:33 PM PST

  •  Ireland, U.K., Spain, Greece and Portugal (4+ / 0-)

    They've all tried various levels of austerity and look what's happened.   Instead of economic expansion the economies of all the above have contracted causing further economic hardship for their citizens.

    So, with willful blindness and ignorance they continue to push for solutions that will harm Americas economic recovery.
       

  •  for a guy 4 years away from military retirement (6+ / 0-)

    eligibility, these are very nerve-wracking times!!

  •  Can't someone drive a wooden stake into (4+ / 0-)

    these obscene " Simpson-Bowles" proposals?  

    Make them STOP!   ayiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..............

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:15:09 PM PST

  •  Since there (0+ / 0-)

    hasn't been an open thread in quite a while and this diary is tangentially in the same area, would someone please help me?  My step-father, who has been pulled into my Mother's Fox news addiction, but is still persuadable, asked me to send him some links showing that people really don't live that much longer and that average life expectancy has gone up due to a lowering of infant mortality.  I have about 15 tabs open that make this claim, but haven't really found the non-partisan article or chart I am wanting.  If anyone has a good suggestion, I'd really appreciate it.

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

    by TracieLynn on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:22:19 PM PST

    •  here you go (1+ / 0-)
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      This link is to Krugman's blog post about it, and under #2, he links to the Social Security Administration's numbers.

      Of course, the SSA's website is a lot more difficult to understand, not having Krugman's gift of clarity in writing.

      •  I have 5 friends that have died - right after get- (1+ / 0-)
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        ting Medicare.  One lived a year on Medicare, but the rest were gone within 2-3 years of getting their Medicare.  I have some that have died just before getting medical care.  I also have friends that have had to have surgeries almost immediately after getting Medicare because they had to hold off so long waiting to hit the Medicare age requirement and had no insurance of their own.

        People are not living longer.  Just look at the obits in the daily paper or even the Sunday paper.... although in a city like Atlanta, they are all not listed.  Check out the ages.

      •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

        for responding.  That is one of the links I had but am afraid it won't pass the "can't be from a liberal" test.  I'll probably use it and maybe he'll follow the link.

        Thanks again!

        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. - 9th Amendment

        by TracieLynn on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 09:31:08 PM PST

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        •  you should read my comment again (0+ / 0-)

          I specific pointed out that Krugman linked to the official, governmental SSA statistics.

          I even told you what part (he links to it in section 2).

          I was not suggesting that you give him Krugman's blog post as proof, only that it helps give you the the SSA numbers (that are linked to) in plain English.

  •  I'm going to buy some stock in ice flows, (1+ / 0-)
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    there is going to be more demand then ice in the near future.

    Where are all the "Death Panel" folks now?

  •  Chart Needs to be updated (0+ / 0-)

    The Atlantic updated some bad math in the original chart posted to this thread, as seen in their article here:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/...

    The updated chart more accurately reflects the spending: to revenue ratio in BS v 1.0 (chart only):

    Disheartened Obama '12 supporter

    by BandarBush on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:43:56 PM PST

  •  So they are taking the cat food as well nt (0+ / 0-)

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:45:32 PM PST

  •  And big oil/coal subsidies? Where? + Big pharma (1+ / 0-)
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    Are these supposed to continue?  Long overdue to cut their tax breaks. They earn billions from the resources they extract from our territory. Why not receive a decent tax from them, and also the "royalties" they should pay us for our resources they MANAGED to extract and sell for their own profit?

    And I do not include here Big Pharma in that question, though they should also be first line on the current cut or revenue list.  Meaning they are protected from paying their fair share taxes on the profits they reap from us.  And they rape us all in order to gain their profit.

    Globally. we all know they charge the US more for the pills they sell us here, than they charge for the same pills abroad.  They do this by various international laws and quick accountancy.

    I know. I lived in Europe for 25 yrs and I know what I paid for meds.

     I paid a lot less there and without a lot less hassle.  The USA is a big Pharma drone.

    So cut their US tax breaks and let us barter for their worth.

    And do the same to the kissin' cousins of oil/ gas.

    comment pending... ;-)

    by paulacvdw on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:46:11 PM PST

    •  Why are we still paying Corporations to take their (0+ / 0-)

      factories overseas?  Look at Sensata - owned by Bain.  Making $500M profit in a quarter and letting China build them a factory - throwing American workers to the curb.  But they are getting paid by the US Treasury to take their factories overseas.  Good old GOP legislation under Bush.

  •  Now's the time . . . (0+ / 0-)

    The appointment of Simpson-Bowles was, I hope, a mistake  borne of Obama's naive early days when he thought the Republicans cared about the country or their constituents.  The co-chairs spat out their own "compromise" that ignored the rules of the catfood commish that would have forced a real compromise of the entire membership.  Obama had to treat their embarrassingly flaccid recommendations as his own.  

    So having S-B2 is the opportunity for Obama to toss these guys overboard at last.  If he comes out and says that he's sticking with the original split between revenues and cuts, Simpson and Bowles are done -- rejected by their own commission's membership, the President, Congressional Democrats and the Republicans.  

    If on the other hand, Obama gives this new proposal the time of day, he's lost it entirely.  

  •  Who invited Simpson and Bowles to pontificate? (1+ / 0-)
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    They must have had some cover to get the MSM attention they did today. And someone behind the scenes must have financed preparation of those new proposals.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 07:54:40 PM PST

    •  The SB was a commission put together by Obama. (0+ / 0-)
      •  It was, but this wasn't it. This was just the two, (0+ / 0-)

        ... coming up with a modification and gratuitously impressing it upon a news-starved Inside-the-Beltway media, what with Congress being out of town and Obama sounding sensible.

        The "Commission" was not convened and - so far as I can tell - the two had no "official" invitation to say anything, yet there they were, together again, to enjoy the spotlight of austerity politics.

        Many of us blamed Obama for the Commission. OK, maybe that was fair, although the motivation was good. In the event, Erskine and Alan, the deficit hawks who-looked-like-old-pros but acted-like-novices -at-a-political-picnic did not even work their group enough to get a consensus. A report with recommendations was their job. The ultimate report was just the two of them, a fact often noted by progressive media but no one else. Now they're back to help us all understand the sequester, with a "proposal" that seems less balanced - and even less practical - than their first one.

        That's why I asked who sponsored this latest forthcoming for the two. It's like the old law question: quo warranto - by whose authority do they come to us?

        It might have been "their own motion" but somehow, I doubt it. It would be interesting to know who prompted them.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 06:11:06 AM PST

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  •  The Democratic Party enabled these pricks (5+ / 0-)

    and have been enabling these pricks for years.

    Thank God for GOP extremism saving the Democratic Party from hurting itself by declaring that only total victory counts as a victory at all.

    The Progressive Caucus has put out a blueprint that the entire party should be championing, but these two pricks are still Fick and Frack of SeriousLand.

    We are very quick to highlight the Village and its role in the Cult of Simpson-Bowles. But Chuck Todd doesn't have the ability to make these two vile pricks 'bipartisan' and put them in the driver's seat of the debate.

    Our party does.

    Every Democrat who brings up these two assclowns as serious and doing God's work is doing themselves harm. 2.0? This is Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles coming out of the wingnut closet and embracing that they are both supply-side Rightwing hacks who don't give a fuck about the poor, the sick, the young, or the middle class. This is what getting conned looks like.

    Paul Krugman, and others, on the Center Left have scared the shit out of the Austerity Cult. They fear they won't get any of their deeply desired gut wounds to the New Deal. They are overreaching on the Sequester out of panic.

    And still Simpson-Bowles gets talked about by non-Movement Conservatives as if they are serious about anything but bringing the pain.

    Sometimes I think the Democratic Party has a suicidal streak, because we tolerate people who mean the Democratic Party serious harm having a say in what is important and what is not. Ed Rendell will give you a Republican Senate in 2014 if you take him seriously, and he can work as a lobbyist or media hack no matter who is in charge. How is he 'the Democratic voice' on the deficit? It's enabled. The austerity cult has Democratic fingerprints all over it as well as billionaires and their Big Government for Me But not for Thee Republican stooges. The only thing that can trump the Republicans demographics nightmare is if the Democratic Party were to ever destroy their credibility with non-Movement Conservatives in one huge stroke or sweep.

    Like by cutting Social Security, and putting your fingerprints all over the crimescene, only to see President Rubio put the money into another round of big tax cuts after you get the blowback and the blame.

    Social Security contributes not one penny to the Deficit. If you raised the cap, or eliminated it, Social Security would be on a rock stable fiscal foundation indefinitely. The argument the Chained CPI supporters make is that cutting Social Security even though you don't have to do so 'proves you are serious'. That's how weak their argument is. They have gotten to the point where the greatest reason to do something is the mind-numbingly daft confidence fairy argument is now their only argument. Even if you buy the deficit hysteria, you'd have to be a fool to trust the GOP going forward.

    George W. Bush and Alan Greenspan used the Clinton-era surpluses generated by painful and hurtful welfare and Medicare cuts to pivot on a dime on deficits being bad. The surpluses went from being good to being a dangerous negative that had to be dealt with. Surpluses being bad was the reason cited to pass the most regressive and deficit-making tax cuts in history.

    Any savings generated by Democrats ever doing something to the Social Safety net to save money will fund a future tax cut, not pay down the debt.

    No savings generated by any bargain, "Grand" or otherwise, will ever see the light of day.

    We get a new round of mega-tax cuts the first Republican sniff at the White House.

    Do something stupid now to prove we can do something, anything awful and self-defeating. Then, all shall know you are "serious".

    Yes, it proves you are a seriously stupid Democrat getting played by the Right and the Village. Yet, we are still talking about a Chained CPI long after its been made clear that the GOP is not now, nor has it ever been, acting in good faith with anyone who is not a fellow Movement Conservative.

    The Democrats have a real problem with serially giving people who loathe and despise the people that Democrats are supposed to care about the most political cover to make further future mischief at their expense. How big a dream would it be for Democrats to agree to damage Social Security, and take the blame for it, if you are a Movement Conservative Republican who wishes Social Security did not exist.

    It's 2013, there is no reason to be citing these two granny starvers as serious about anything other than the Koch Brothers getting richer and the poor getting more screwed. If Mitt Romney had beaten Barack Obama, Alan Simpson would have been one of the biggest gets for the various mega-dollar balls that the GOP would have thrown to relish their victory. He's not your friend if you aren't a billionaire.

    If the New Deal is gutted, there is literally no reason for the Democratic Party to exist except as a minority show party. Moderating Movement Conservatism, or delaying its implimentation so that the suffering is moderated a little bit is still Movement Conservatism winning the big picture argument about what is possible in governance. We have seen that a Democratic Party that stands for moderating and humanizing conservative policy doesn't change the argument, doesn't build up the Democratic Party brand, and doesn't help Society move forward.

    The first thing you should think of is "is there anything in this policy/action moving forward that deeply depends on Movement Conservatives always acting in good faith or willingly helping to make our plan work without trying to fuck it up that is necessary for it to work".

    Only a Democrat with his or her head up their asses would think that a Chained CPI, a pretty big benefits cut if you need Social Security to survive, framed as some benign faraway shift in how benefits are calculated would be something they would be rewarded for, or that Republicans wouldn't immediately pivot and fuck them with.  

    Does anybody doubt that the GOP wouldn't run on "you need to elect a Republican Senate majority to protect Social Security from the Democrat Party" after a Chained CPI became the law of the land? It's how they roll.

    How did these two assholes become so powerful and influential? That's easy. People who should know better, who should know that they are a pair of rich white snake oil salesman and bullshit artists who will never feel the pain of their agenda, have been singing their praises alongside the Very Serious People of the Village the whole damned time.

    Everytime a Democrat, any Democrat, from the White House down to the newest House Democratic lawmaker, refers to either Simpson-Bowles or their idiotic plan in a positive way or a model to seriously consider is essentially helping the Village and the GOP continue the austerity feedback loop to hurt the New Deal, and, by extention, decrease the viability of the Democratic Party going foward.

    And that is why, no matter how bad things look for the GOP, they always seem to have a hand to play. A good part of my party still honestly and earnestly expects vile people with no history of good faith, who even openly brag about being blatant pieces of shit, will not be malignant sociopaths on cue when the chips are down.

    Or a slice of the party is perfectly fine with people like us getting fucked, and the rest of the party being out in the weeds even though they should be the future, as long as they get theirs when their public lives are over with.

    I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Feb 19, 2013 at 08:09:22 PM PST

  •  I Have a Better Plan (0+ / 0-)

    The way to fix the deficit is to pay workers more. Every extra dollar paid to workers results in additional taxes paid, sometimes a lot (because of the multiplier effect that results from the flow of these dollars through the economy).

    We need to focus on increasing employment rates and wages paid. The way to do that is through an international minimum wage, which shifts employment back to the U.S.

    Even small businesses benefit from increased wages because people have more to spend. The way to get more money into the budget is to put more money into people's budgets.

    Every time someone talks about these cuts we need to talk about wages and employment. This is our opening to bring the subject up and we should never miss the chance.

  •  How to Fix Social Security and Medicare (1+ / 0-)
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    Here's how to fix Social Security and Medicare. They are just a reflection of how much people earn. They are literally a percentage of wages. If you say these programs are going broke what you are saying is that workers are going broke.

    Ain't it the truth?

    Here's how you fix Medicare: You replace all healthcare plans in the U.S. with one, universal, publicly-funded healthcare system, where all essential healthcare is paid out of a progressive tax. This eliminates literally hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on profits, excessive executive pay, administrative costs and other unnecessary spending.

    Here's how you fix Social Security: You increase the employer contribution to 10% and you put a tariff on products produced overseas and sold here. That eliminates any need for cutting benefits.

    See? It's easy if you know anything about this. You don't need to do anything hard at all.

    Want to fix the federal deficit? Cut $35 billion each year from the military budget for ten years. That saves you $350 billion. And when you're finished, then you could trim around the edges to get it down to what we need. Take $35 billion each year and put it into building civilian industry and civilian jobs around where we normally spend money on the military. Now you have all that extra money expanding the civilian part of the economy.

    Then, you make the top tax rate 45% plus the unemployment rate. Let's see how many job creators we have out there. We've heard them blowing hard in the media for years. Okay, blowhards. Put your money where your mouth was.

    And, if you fix the gaping holes in our trade policy, eliminate the so-called war on drugs, and stopped wasting tens of billions each year on that other so-called war, the deficit would evaporate.

    Or, how about this? Get rid of all subsidies and tax breaks for companies in the fossil fuel industry. Let them survive on their own without government picking winners and losers. We could pick up tens of billions each year just from that. Not radical enough for you? Eliminate all tax exemptions and credits, and replace them with yearly grants to the companies that qualify because they are doing something really helpful to the country (like cutting carbon emissions). Make them grovel every year for funding if they want it, and let it expire after a year. You know what, if you did that, you could give individuals a tax cut because you'd suddenly have too much money in the Treasury.

    See? Give me fifteen minutes to re-write policy and the budget would be balanced. And I wouldn't need to cut a dime from social spending.

    Or, you can pick yet another card from the deck of these losers.

  •  Despite the ridiculous FACT that Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    alot of them, are STATE and FEDERAL Workers, here is a tip....Why do you want to destroy all the jobs except yours?  The people who work at these jobs already Don't Like You!

  •  I just LOVE... (0+ / 0-)

    that every time B-S say "Tax Reform", the definition for them is - "Cut out all the middle class deductions". i.e., mortgage, etc. NOT what most people think of like corporate jets, and oil rigs, and THOSE kind of loop holes and 1% reforms. I also notice the media NEVER calls them on this.

    Unfortunately I also agree that the Dems spend too much time enabling these two old farts. Time for them to just exit stage left. They no longer are required. Thanks for playing, you can go now.

    You have your right to your opinion, I will grant you that, but do not denigrate my right to mine!

    by MrQA on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 06:28:24 AM PST

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