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Racist Tea Party signs, compilation.
In case you were wondering why Republicans can't become more electable.
This is a great, lengthy piece about young techno-savvy Republicans thinking Mitt Romney lost because of Twitter. But among the wealth of information in it, there's this:
The [young, working-class] all-female focus group [in Ohio] began with a sobering assessment of the Obama economy. All of the women spoke gloomily about the prospect of paying off student loans, about what they believed to be Social Security’s likely insolvency and about their children’s schooling. A few of them bitterly opined that the Democrats care little about the working class but lavish the poor with federal aid. “You get more off welfare than you would at a minimum-wage job,” observed one of them. Another added, “And if you have a kid, you’re set up for life!”

About an hour into the session, Anderson walked up to a whiteboard and took out a magic marker. “I’m going to write down a word, and you guys free-associate with whatever comes to mind,” she said. The first word she wrote was “Democrat.”

“Young people,” one woman called out.

“Liberal,” another said. Followed by: “Diverse.” “Bill Clinton.”“Change.”“Open-minded.”“Spending.”“Handouts.”“Green.”“More science-based.”

When Anderson then wrote “Republican,” the outburst was immediate and vehement: “Corporate greed.”“Old.”“Middle-aged white men.” “Rich.” “Religious.” “Conservative.” “Hypocritical.” “Military retirees.” “Narrow-minded.” “Rigid.” “Not progressive.” “Polarizing.” “Stuck in their ways.” “Farmers.”

A similar panel with men didn't go much better:
None of them expressed great enthusiasm for Obama. But their depiction of Republicans was even more lacerating than the women’s had been. “Racist,” “out of touch” and “hateful” made the list — “and put ‘1950s’ on there too!” one called out.
Holy crap! These focus group respondents hate Republicans more than we do at Daily Kos! Asked what would make them change their mind and be more open to Republicans, the respondents urged Republicans to drop social issues, to drop opposition to science, and be more willing to compromise—hilarious advice in the context of the Hagel filibuster.

Democrats need to do more to lock in this vote—show real fortitude in the battle against Wall Street excesses, for one. They have to prove they're on the side of working class Americans, not the one percent. But our team's challenge is nothing like theirs. The more Democrats take the fight to Wall Street, the happier our base. Witness Elizabeth Warren. But Republicans only infuriate their base by de-emphasizing abortion, gay marriage, opposition to science and brown people.

In other words, exactly counter to Democrats, what Republicans need to do to win is mutually exclusive with what the conservative base will allow them to do.

After years of demonizing the "other" and winning elections on racial and gay bigotry, this is nothing short of remarkable.

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  •  I'm just glad it's taking this long for that party (14+ / 0-)

    to die. It's as entertaining as most made for tv dramas.

    Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

    by psilocynic on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:54:58 AM PST

  •  Mike Luckovich had a great cartoon the other day. (25+ / 0-)

        I can't embed, but here's the link. It's the devil, who sez that if the GOP can rebrand, so can he. His t-shirt says "Prince Of Happiness".

    The Republican motto: "There's been a lot of progress in this country over the last 75 years, and we've been against all of it."

    by Hillbilly Dem on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:56:45 AM PST

  •  Wow, if you can't even spell "nigger" right, (20+ / 0-)

    you must really be a moran.

    What is valued is practiced. What is not valued is not practiced. -- Plato

    by RobLewis on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:57:39 AM PST

  •  Not all Republicans are racists, but most racists (30+ / 0-)

    are now Republicans.  For this reason the ratio of racists among Republicans has increased to such a point (60%, 70%, 80%) that it is beyond them to change their ways.

    They need their racist base because without it they are done, so they will keep demonizing Blacks (and women, and Hispanics, and homosexuals, etc. etc.) and get crazier in the process.

    The sad point is that they will hurt our Country in the process of destroying their Party.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:57:42 AM PST

  •  I'm amazed how accurate the focus group's (16+ / 0-)

    Answers were. Damn, let's set them all up with an account.

    "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

    by Rockydog on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:58:12 AM PST

  •  Part of me wants to holler "Warren 2016!" (16+ / 0-)

    but the other part of me remembers American socialist Lucy Parsons:  

    Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 08:59:04 AM PST

    •  No part of me wants to holler that (5+ / 0-)

      Why not put forth someone seasoned and effective like Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur of Toledo/Cleveland/an uninhabited swath of Lake Erie shore including the Sandusky Bay Bridge, who at a press conference yesterday to introduce bipartisan legislation for abandoned home demolition took the opportunity to go off-topic and excoriate Wall Street financial institutions as the cause of the housing crisis and express dismay that no criminal charges have been filed? Marcy's actually got a, you know, RECORD.

      (Marcy was the one who beat Dennis Kucinich, and it's looking like voters made the wise choice).

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:26:44 AM PST

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    •  I doubt anybody wants to vote away (2+ / 0-)
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      Their wealth.

      We just want to see it a little less lopsided. They can still be rich. Just maybe limited to as much as you can spend in three lifetimes. And only allowed to pass on as much as you can spend in one.

      •  I'm down with that (1+ / 0-)
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        but the Koch's and the Waltons and their associates seem to think otherwise.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:55:47 AM PST

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        •  good news then (0+ / 0-)

          because they are terrible at spending money on elections.

          •  That's one thing about inherited wealth ... (0+ / 0-)

            usually the heirs are not as clever or capable as those who earned it. They often blow quite a bit of it by the 3rd generation or so.

            As the Kochs are doing. Unfortunately, all the laws preserving wealth give them such an overwhelming advantage that they can't lose wealth fast enough to blunt their malign electoral influence.

            Help us to save free conscience from the paw Of hireling wolves whose gospel is their maw. ~John Donne

            by ohiolibrarian on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 11:04:41 AM PST

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  •  Based on this... (13+ / 0-)

    If the Democrats can overcome Republican intransigence on this issue, an increase in the minimum wage to $9.00 an hour would be REALLY REALLY popular.

    Didn't I see a recent poll indicating that an increase in the minimum wage had something like 60-65% support?

  •  How do we take advantage? (11+ / 0-)

    Even though polls show that the public agrees with Democrats (mostly) and hates Republicans, enough of the public still vote for Republicans to give them a majority of governors, control of many swing-state legislatures and a majority in the House of Representative.  I know that gerrymandering (and the concentration of Democratic voter in urban areas) explains part of this phenomenon, but much of it has to be people voting for Republicans even though these people don't agree with the Republicans.  How do we change this result at the ballot box?

    •  Dems need to stop calling people names just becaus (8+ / 0-)

      e, they are different from you. Rural, working class, blue collar, religious, all have real good reasons to vote Dem, except when they are insulted.

      Every time someone puts on a fake rural accent and says dumb stuff in quotes when discussing guns it loses votes. Same with dissing southerners, or religious types.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:17:59 AM PST

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      •  Indeed. (6+ / 0-)

        Everyone needs face. Everyone.

        And the minute you make someone lose it, you have lost them.

        Also, starting by asking people what they think and actually listening is a great way to (a) show respect and get it; (b) find out what they think to get some clues about where you can go.

        Politeness actually works, even when you have to use it first to get it in return.

        Guess I'm saying "golden rule" still applies.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:29:08 AM PST

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      •  As a liberal living in the South, (4+ / 0-)

        I couldn't agree more.  I know quite a few folks who call themselves Republicans but are not irredeemably ignorant, racist homophobes.  Yes, they speak with an accent, at least to my Yankee ears, but they don't take kindly to being caricatured.  We need to use gentle persuasion, and maybe some will see the light and start to vote D, though they may never admit it.

        "We *can* go back to the Dark Ages! The crust of learning and good manners and tolerance is so thin!" -- Sinclair Lewis

        by Nespolo on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:30:56 AM PST

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      •  I don't agree, ban nock (1+ / 0-)
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        because those cousin-f**king, gun-rack-in-the-pickup driving, polyester-wearing Rethug voters who called us on the Left "Traitors" and "anti-Americans" during The War Criminal Bush Regime are the real Traitors - and must be punished accordingly for not begging forgiveness from us, and must be held accountable for their dear offenses!

        •  Snark? (0+ / 0-)

          Or do you really think we can safely 'punish' nearly half the country?

          I admit sometimes I get really angry at some of the racist/stupid/sexist/homophobic views that I hear, but they are fellow citizens and need to be respected as such. For the good of the country. And because we are adults.

          Help us to save free conscience from the paw Of hireling wolves whose gospel is their maw. ~John Donne

          by ohiolibrarian on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 11:10:51 AM PST

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          •  Nearly half? Not hardly (0+ / 0-)

            A rump minority of sparsely-populated, aging, monocultured white voters who just happen to control a lot of mostly empty territory. New York City has more population than all the red states combined.

            AND, even in red states, the populous urban centers still are more blue than not. It's only out in the sticks that the nation is deep right. The Republican party uses every trick in the book to leverage that minority voting block to win elections, including vote supression.

            Overestimating their numbers only serves them.

            "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

            by DarthMeow504 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 02:21:20 PM PST

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        •  :-) good one (0+ / 0-)

          I want those running lights that go across the cab of my pickup, wife looks at me like I'm off my rocker.

          How big is your personal carbon footprint?

          by ban nock on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 11:36:13 AM PST

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  •  it is amazing (10+ / 0-)

    that the women are so anti obama that they can't see what is good for them and their children.  i expect this of GOP men, i mean that's why they are GOP, they do not cotton to women's rights or the best interests of anyone other than themselves.  but i expect women to look after the best of their children and the GOP is not it!

  •  They are behind both on tech and message (13+ / 0-)

    But within ten years, marriage equality will be decided decisively, and in our favor, as will the current immigration standoff (even sooner).  When we lose our current generation advantage on social issues, are we prepared to really distinguish ourselves on economic or foreign policy again?

  •  Let's make republicanism Europe (6+ / 0-)

    Where the far right parties exist but electorally are mostly powerless. The Dems' key is it to somehow make economic arguments to poor and middle class southern whites who vote against their self interest. If this is ever accomplished, the racist rethugs are done for.

    •  The far right seems (2+ / 0-)
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      to be very successful in Europe right now, implementing austerity programs and attacking health care benefits.

      Yep, the far right is doing very well over there.

      The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:20:52 AM PST

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      •  The right in Europe (2+ / 0-)
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        is nowhere near as crazy as the mainstream GOP is here.  The Conservative Party in the UK doesn't dare eliminate the NHS, favors marriage equality, and is more moderate on foreign policy than the GOP here.  They have dragged their economy down because they reject Keynesian economics, but the only thing that makes them conservative is their fiscal conservatism.  

        Likewise the Christian Democrats in Germany are not even remotely as crazy as the GOP.  The true fringe types in Europe, the ones with the xenophobic fear-based "don't tread on me" aggressive anti-government fetish... those folks have no chance of coming to power in Europe.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:04:45 AM PST

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  •  There is a real opportunity here for a resurgence (13+ / 0-)

    in populism. Real populism, not just words.  If dems were smart, they would cast off their republican-lite proclivities and go for the proverbial jugular by truly fighting for the middle class at the expense of the rich.  The GOP would be finished.

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:08:04 AM PST

  •  The Article Used The Wrong Pic For "GOP Tablet" (11+ / 0-)

    THIS is a GOP Tablet:

    On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

    by stevemb on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:08:40 AM PST

  •  I personally enjoyed (7+ / 0-)

    how they said, "we'll do these things....but not now!" when it came to tech stuff. They're so entrenched that even strategies to connect with voters are put to the side until the old guard steps aside.

  •  The dems: (5+ / 0-)

    They have to prove they're on the side of working class Americans, not the one percent.


    The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:10:58 AM PST

  •  The Republicans are beginning to get (4+ / 0-)

    exactly what's coming to them. The Republican Party has sown fear-mongering and devisiveness for the last 40 years, training the naturally conservative portion of the population to salivate when Republicans ring the bell. Now that same portion of the population is training the Republican Party to do the same thing to a louder, more strident, bell. Pavlov would have been proud.

    The whole point of society is to be less unforgiving than nature. - Arthur D. Hlavaty

    by Alice Venturi on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:13:33 AM PST

  •  I think someone front paged this last week (3+ / 0-)
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    and it's all well and good, but other than Obama and establishment Dems I don't feel much effort on behalf of the working class. As a matter of fact as a blue collar worker I feel marginalized only less by the Dems than by the Repubs.

    DKos is primarily a place of wealthy coast dwellers as is much of the Democratic party. Places of Republican weakness doesn't translate into Democratic strength. You say......

    Democrats need to do more to lock in this vote—show real fortitude in the battle against Wall Street excesses, for one. They have to prove they're on the side of working class Americans,
    We worry much less about Wall Street than about who is going to ever hire us at a livable wage. For the Dems to win the blue collar vote they need to, as you said, prove it.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:13:35 AM PST

    •  Where are the data (4+ / 0-)
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      DKos is primarily a place of wealthy coast dwellers
      I'm a coast dweller and I know dozens of DKos folks in NE, NY and NJ who are middle to lower middle class.  Many of us may have advanced education, but that hasn't translated into advanced salaries.  I read enough diaries from folks on the other coast as well -- lots of them are not wealthy, many are middle to lower middle class.

      Connecticut is considered a wealthy state -- that's true if you only look at Fairfield County without Bridgeport and much of Stamford and the few remaining old money people in Litchfield County.  Our major cities are not loaded with wealthy folks.  I'm in the largest city (only city) in Litchfield County -- it is struggling blue collar.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:23:58 AM PST

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    •  Huh? (6+ / 0-)
      DKos is primarily a place of wealthy coast dwellers as is much of the Democratic party.
      What DailyKos are YOU reading?

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:27:56 AM PST

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  •  What's remarkable is their legislative (3+ / 0-)
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    effectiveness.  They've demonstrated countless times that they don't need to "win" elections to drive the legislative agenda.  Right now, as we speak, Obama is negotiating with Republican members of the Intelligence Committee to give them the Benghazi memos they demanded--without sharing the memos with Democrats who are by law entitled to see them.

    The whole brouhaha over Republicans and voter antipathy is a phony issue.  Until the Republican legislative agenda loses big on economic and social issues (at least) at the federal level, I'm done with that teapot tempest.  Waste of time and getting to be suspiciously distractive

    Acceleration is a thrill, but velocity gets you there

    by CarolinNJ on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:15:02 AM PST

    •  As Bill Maher said, the Wrong-Wing "cares more (0+ / 0-)

      about a mailing list than a majority" (e.g., wealth / financial staying power trumps nominal political power ).
      Especially if a vocal obstructive minority is sufficient to obstruct a progressive majority anyway.

      "..The political class cannot solve the problems it created. " - Jay Rosen

      by New Rule on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 10:32:33 AM PST

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  •  The Rs can have those monsters (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Holy Crap!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    There are people that hate Republicans more than we do here at DKos????

    Say it ain't so!

    Looks like we're going to have to pick up the pace around here.

  •  Economic populism is winning politics. (3+ / 0-)
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    That never stopped being true. There's a cost at the ballot box when Democrats change their message for the sake of major donors.

  •  Fox News has flamed and spread ignorance and (2+ / 0-)

    racism, and  made their viewpoints seem mainstream and legitimate for the past decade. As they became more and more extreme and blatant, it appears that finally their ratings are down. May Fox eventually disappear with the GOP!

  •  Dems, Obama need to fight harder (7+ / 0-)

    for working class issues.

    Exhibit A:  end tax breaks for outsourcers.  Obama mentioned this in both his presidential campaigns and people love the idea.  Yet has Obama fought for this yet?  Will he?  It's not enough to put it in some nebulous bill and then compromise it away.  He must FIGHT for it, talk about it, and get dem surrogates to talk about it repeatedly.  Otherwise even if he does it, the public won't know about it and will not give dems credit for it.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:19:00 AM PST

  •  We need to make the case for social welfare (4+ / 0-)
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    It is admirable that the Democratic Party has (so far?) refused to entirely throw the extreme poor under the bus but a large portion of the just-above-the-poverty-line poor believes that Democrats only look out for Wall St and the urban (... cough ...) poor. It would be very hard for the current national Democrats to argue that they don't keep Wall Streets interests very close to their hearts (or wallets or [insert joke]), but there has to be a case made that the Democrats have a plan and a desire to help the formerly middle class of flyover country.

    Rhetoric about "rebuilding the middle class" isn't going to work with these people. When you're hungrier than you were 10 years ago it's very easy to smell politician talk.

    Current national Democrats can't do this. Rebuilding labor is a great idea but that won't be driven by a political party if it starts to happen. A new New Deal of big Federal projects would be a great idea but the chances of that before 2014 at the earliest are about as likely as "Bernie Sanders - Senate Majority Leader." Obama's proposal for infrastructure right now is more rhetoric than possible but that's all he's got to work with given the House.

    What exactly is our plan that will look out for the formerly middle class of flyover country? And can it be enunciated by candidates for the House ASAP?

    There is a general acceptance in this country (world?) that the system is broken, politically and financially, and a growing realization amongst many that it is also entirely ecologically unsustainable (a big sad I told you so from certain older hippies / scientists / etc ...). The scared retreat of the Reagan revolutionaries who continue to whistle Dixie and take comfort in their confirmation bias have, combined with the usual superior tactics leading to the current gerrymander, made even small half measures impossible.

    But when I peruse the excellent round up of candidates and potential candidates on the dKos front page I only ever see establishment Democrats with the same old ideas. Establishment Democrats are okay by me, chanting "utopia now" isn't going to get a small minority anywhere, but they need new ideas and a movement based on more than rhetoric. We did okay with a movement based on rhetoric in 2008, but there was no "there" there and ... 2010. We need specific change we can believe in now and I don't see any professional politicians with new ideas. I think/hope the good ones from our team will take up good ideas but to find out we need those ideas.

    And ... I have very little (or else I'd diary). Anyone? Though note: Generic rants about they're-all-the-sameism or references to the 1 or 99% are not new and not in anyway effective.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:19:24 AM PST

    •  We don't even need new ideas....just (0+ / 0-)

      put BACK into place rules and laws that made this country work for the most people for over 80 years.

      It's all the "new" ideas that fucked it over.

      David Koch is Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

      by PsychoSavannah on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:27:22 AM PST

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      •  disagree for the most part (0+ / 0-)

        First from a sales standpoint: "Defend the New Deal" hasn't been working out so well given the current composition of the House. I don't think "the 50s were better" as a slogan is going to help retake the House or even point a way forward.

        Also there are/were issues with the social welfare system that should be solved via evolution. Not by trashing everything in a continuing Reagan/libertarian/comicbook "gummint is the problem" ideological scam crusade but by improving how social welfare works in this country. I've personally seen many inefficiencies and all the issues that come with top down paper pushing in my decades waaay bellow the poverty line. I don't take advantage of much of what I'm eligible for - a personal decision - but have been involved as a volunteer with a Federal program, watched the administration over a couple of years, and there's big room for improvement.

        What was working in the past (pre-Reagan) was better then what's working today, but don't delude yourself there were no problems.

        And, for the most part, the ship has sailed. I'd really like to be wrong but labor regaining it's old level of membership and strength anytime soon is very unlikely. Any movement in that direction is great but there were issues with the old labor movement as well. Obama hasn't tried to get his FDR on, that doesn't seem like who he is (see: T. Geitner) but, if there was a welcome but unlikely wave in 2014 I think he'd sign on.

        The old country FDR created was ecologically unsustainable and founded on the military industrial complex (see: 1940). I think society has to move away from top down politics and move towards bottom up. There is a small kernel of truth in the right wing lies about "personal responsibility" and it allows them to brand all the Democratic social welfare programs as give aways to urban (... cough ...) voting machines. That has to be addressed from the inside, from the ground up.

        If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

        by jgnyc on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 11:14:07 AM PST

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  •  What about make ME change my mind? (1+ / 0-)
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    the respondents urged Republicans to drop social issues, to drop opposition to science, and be more willing to compromise
    As it now stands, these are among the top issues that preclude me from ever voting GOP for any elective office from dog catcher on up. I absolutely loathe the teabagger/xtian taliban wing of the party and as long as they play any role in selecting candidates, I will never vote GOP.  There are, of course, a number of other important issues but I can accept differences on those but not these. Get rid of the science deniers, finger waggers, and racist haters and come into the 21st century and they can become a viable party again.

    I don't get mad. I get stabby!" - Fat Tony D'Amico

    by sizzzzlerz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:20:15 AM PST

  •  How do you combat wild misinformation (14+ / 0-)

    like the idea of lavish welfare subsidies when "welfare as we know it" ended almost two decades ago, and is now severely time-limited, hardly a "set-up for life"? I argue this with people ALL the time. They STILL believe that you can pop out children and get a big check for each one for the rest of your life. This is pure fantasy. How do we kill this fantasy?

    Jon Husted is a dick.

    by anastasia p on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:20:57 AM PST

    •  Wait (0+ / 0-)

      It will die, along with those who believe it.

    •  agreed. I live in the south and that meme (3+ / 0-)
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      gof, demjim, JosephK74

      is alive and well. Some of my liberal friends here even think - and I'm paraphrasing and apologize in advance at the offensiveness of it - poor people, which is code for black people, are lazy and don't want to work, they just want to sit at home and collect their govt check and food stamps, while they pop out additional kids to get more money and more food stamps. They say they see people at the store buying cigs and beer and lottery tickets with cash, while paying for their food with a SNAP card.

      Meanwhile, they see themselves working long hours for a pretty meager wage and trying to support a household without any govt help and they resent these mythical people who live off the government dole. I keep trying to tell them welfare as it was before is long gone, it has a 5 year lifetime cap, plus here in VA, I'm pretty sure you have to be actively looking for work to get assistance. I know they do that for unemployment, you have to fill out forms every week detailing places you applied.

      (p.s. I go to the grocery store all the time, I can't tell if someone is paying with a SNAP card, but frankly, I never pay much attention, it isn't my business!)

      "Watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, fanatical, criminal..."-7.75, -5.54

      by solesse413 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:38:06 AM PST

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  •  Red Edge-Back off they have powerpoint slides (0+ / 0-)

    and they're not afraid to use them

    Their five-man company, Red Edge, is a digital-advocacy group for conservative causes, and their days are typically spent designing software applications for groups like the Heritage Foundation, the Republican Governors Association and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Lately, however, Jacobson and Spencer have taken up evangelizing — and the sermon, delivered day after day to fellow conservatives in the form of a 61-point presentation, is a pitiless we-told-you-so elucidation of the ways in which Democrats have overwhelmed Republicans with their technological superiority.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:25:11 AM PST

    •  So those are the ones (1+ / 0-)
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      Who did romney's tech?

      5 guys, who likely outsource the actual programming, and put together killer powerpoints that are likely way too text heavy and way too long.

      •  haha, I was just going to say... (1+ / 0-)
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        61 points is about 40 points too long, bro.

      •  Who did romney's tech? (0+ / 0-)

        The ones who got their wires crossed so the Mars Rover got Romney's software upgrade and  Romney  got the Mars Rover's  Upgrade


         The Mars Rover demanded to see it's travel itinerary in Iowa and a draft of it's VFW speech...

        Romney screamed for days that he needed a bigger sharper too to dig into the crater he was standing in finally they had to give Romney, Paul Ryan just to shut him up

        The mars rover team is p.o.'d to this day

        I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

        by JML9999 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:15:08 AM PST

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  •  Republicans learned nothing, though (4+ / 0-)

    They think the way to appeal to the women in this group is to become more adept at lying to them. They don;t see any problem with their core values; they only think they need to find a way to sexy them up. For instance, if they can just get Tom Selleck or that batshit actress from Everybody Loves Raymond to talk about legitimate rape instead of some clodhopper like Todd Akin, female voters might buy it.

    Which is why the GOP is going to get their asses handed to them again in four years.

  •  $64 million question (3+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, bluebrain, PorridgeGun

    Can Democrats win without corporate or Wall Street donors?

    The dilemma the Democratic leadership believes they're in is clearly that they need to somehow keep the money flowing in from big-money donors without alienating their base. And that's how they operate: money first, base second.

    Are they wrong? Can they not only lose the big money donors, but have them send all their money to the opposition and still win? Small donations are never going to equal what corporate America can give now that Citizens United has happened.

    I have no doubt Democrats have the opportunity to bring back in the white, working class voter at this time. But until we show them they can beat the big money with our help, I don't see them doing it.

  •  Hating them more than they hate us... (0+ / 0-)

    Isn't really good news.

    All this really shows is that both sides have bad brands out of touch with the public...

    ...but that at least they are consistent about theirs...

    This should really just be yet another wake up call to dems to actually honor their platforms and base.

    The sad truth is both parties are bad for the working class and "coloreds" like me. But the dems are -also- bad for rich whites...

    At least the GOP is serving -somebody-

    ..even if serving evil, they've at least picked a side...

    Meanwhile dems go back and forth with things like "we like unionz but not really because we favor big business but not really cause we favor big government but really cause we're cutting programs to get GOP allies but not really cause..."

    The GOP might have a fatwa out on people of my race and class (native am)... but at least people like them know where they stand...

  •  The GOP's Days Are Numbered, And They Are Tearing (1+ / 0-)
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    Pescadero Bill

    Themselves to pieces as well, which will only further their decline.

    They can, however, still inflict great damage upon this country in the time they have remaining, however long that is.

    Keep in mind, these backwards, reactionary cretins will still be around in some form or another, but the GOP is an ongoing train wreck that is only going to get uglier an uglier, but they have passed the point of no return and it will not end well.

    Whatever is left will be fractured, diminished and exhausted and there will be tremendous opportunity for progress. But it's still going to be ugly, and we will need to maintain vigiliance to mitigate the damage they will feel compelled to inflict upon the rest of us as they circle the drain. If they are going down, they will feel compelled to do as much damage as possible out of spite and vindictiveness.

    This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: []

    by Beetwasher on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:37:54 AM PST

  •  1956 republican party platform was very different (4+ / 0-)

    than today.  They were down right liberal back then.   .   .

  •  It would be great (0+ / 0-)

    if the Democrats in DC voted consistently as if they were actually Liberal, Green, Open-Minded...

  •  True... and... but (1+ / 0-)
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    After years of demonizing the "other" and winning elections on racial and gay bigotry, this is nothing short of remarkable.
    Indeed.  But these folks' comments also reveal why the GOP needs to rely on coded appeals to racial discomfort/ambiguity rather than the overt hysteria on display in those placards.  There's a fault-line visible here that hinders the ability of the Dems to bring these people into the fold.  Just as they're advancing various populist or liberal positions, there is still the unconscious racism there: the generalized dislike/mistrust of Obama and their hackneyed stuff about welfare recipients and handouts to the undeserving.  

    It's a delicate line for the GOP to manage--the poor dears.  But let's not forget that it's also difficult for the Dems, too.  You can prime this kind of racial animus quite easily and, inevitably, doing so will be accompanied by the outrage of calling attention to the racial animus in the first place.  These white folks are harder to reach, because they embarrass to and reject outright the overt hatefulness of the GOP fringe, but they bruise just as easily when you try to call attention to the racial implications of their feelings about Obama, welfare, crime, etc.  

  •  Angry (0+ / 0-)

    Angry, negative and scared come to mind if I had taken part in the exercise. The angry, negative and scared are the base of the GOP. They've probably been there hiding under the cheery Reagan-like demeanor all along. They are unleashed. Sad in a way to go through life with such dark emotions.

    Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything. —molly ivins

    by fumie on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 09:50:12 AM PST

  •  Don't crow too much (4+ / 0-)

    In a 2-party system, all they really need to do is convince enough people that the OTHER guy is even worse, and you can make people vote against even their own self-interests.

    Look at Mitt Romney.  If people voted for what they actually supported, he should have gotten somewhere around 30%.  Instead he was still close to 50%.  That's because it's too easy to use propaganda to misinform people and make them afraid.  And of course you have so many good, trusting people who will take your lies at face value, and hence why so many people believed it when Romney made his last minute dive to the middle.

  •  I have a different tack (5+ / 0-)

    while it's great and all that Republican brand is so shitty, it makes me angry that the Dems don't seem to be addressing the valid concerns of this focus group.

    I don't want to pin it all on Obama but he never gives me the impression that he fully appreciates WHY people stood in line for hours to vote for him and who he REALLY owes his presidency to.

    It's not the big-time donors.  It's the working poor, Mr. President.  And you need to fight for them and WIN for them through any means fair or foul (but legal obviously).

    The future is green:

    by bogmanoc on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:00:11 AM PST

  •  kos, you say (2+ / 0-)
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    Portia Elm, greengemini

    "These focus group respondents hate Republicans more than we do at Daily Kos!"

    I've always felt that there was an adundance of hate at DK. It's good to see you confirm it.




  •  so much offensive stuff in those signs, but (0+ / 0-)

    what i can't get past is that they don't even know how to spell the "n" word.

  •  Uh-uh (0+ / 0-)
    Holy crap! These focus group respondents hate Republicans more than we do at Daily Kos!
    No they don't.
  •  Somebody help me out here (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know anybody on welfare (as far as I know), but I'm a bit skeptical that it's as great a deal as a lot of people seem to think it is.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 10:21:45 AM PST

  •  I guess this is positive news for Dems? (0+ / 0-)

    Some of the responses from the focus groups cited is very problematic-this belief that somehow the "poor" are getting a free ride?  Ummm...that's why the folks are still poor...As Melissa Harris Perry said on her show months ago, what's more risky in this country (or, any other) than being poor?!?!?  This is not to minimize the challenges faced by the working class, but I think that the projection of working class angst and frustration onto the poor is misguided and unprodcutive (and, quite frankly, what the oligrachs want the working class to do-direct the anger at the "alleged" recipients of "free stuff" instead of questioning the policies that create strcutural inequality)...

  •  What's worse? (1+ / 0-)
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    GOP self destruct, or Corporate Dems? Either way "no" still goes.

  •  The GOP doesn't have a branding problem... (0+ / 0-)

    ....that actual branding couldn't solve.  After all, conservatism has been doing badly in this country ever since runaway slaves got out of hand.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 12:22:56 PM PST

  •  Straight out of an old cartoon (0+ / 0-)
    Equally galling to younger Republicans was the op-ed Stuart Stevens wrote in The Washington Post on Nov. 28. In it, Romney’s top strategist struck an unrepentant tone, proudly noting that the candidate “carried the majority of middle-class voters” and that the party therefore “must be doing something right.” From her office near the Capitol, Kristen Soltis Anderson, a 28-year-old G.O.P. pollster, tried not to come unglued. “But you didn’t win the election,” she told me she thought at the time. “I’m really glad you scored that touchdown in the third quarter, I am — but you lost the game!”
    That sounds uncannily like a Dave Berg "The Lighter Side of ... Celebrations" cartoon from some issue of Mad, set on an election night. The first three panels have some guy at a podium announcing how many districts they've won, and the applause and cheers gradually increasing. Then in the last panel, he sheepishly announces "But we lost the election."

    I hope someone sent that to Stevens.

  •  What democrats have to fight... (0+ / 0-)

    at least if one takes these focus groups as indicative, is the 1% tendency to split off middle class interests from the interests of the poor.

    That was the late 20th century path: it was a short term solution toward peeling off enough middle class votes to keep Republicans in power.  And the Democrats tried to emulate that Republican strategy to stay with the GOP.

    But it's a completely bad path, both for economic sustainability and as a political strategy, it seems to me.  

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 03:30:29 PM PST

  •  student loans need to be a major platform piece (1+ / 0-)
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    Doing something about student loans would lock in the young vote for a notable period of time. I know random Conservatives like to see everyone struggling out of school as a bunch of "mooches" with "useless majors", but this is affecting kids from all walks of life in every major career bracket.

    We're drowning in this while every company making record profits expects us to do twice as much work for less than ever when you account in inflation. And instead of thinking that, hey, maybe we need to help our young people succeed because they'll push this country along in the future? We do nothing.

    Make our student loan payments reasonable, don't allow private lenders to give interest rates for student loans in the teens, stop giving banks 0% interest loans that they turn around at 5 to 15%, reign in college costs so they're not lopsidedly going into the pockets of a handful of board members and administrators.

    There's a lot that can be done there and I'm still not sure why that focus hasn't increased. Even if minimum wage increases and we suddenly have no housing crisis, you still have a generation of kids coming out of school with diminished prospects, a higher cost of living, little to their name AND a huge mountain of almost insurmountable debt. Personally, 60% of my income goes to one bank and will be doing that for another 15 years. How am I going to help the economy?

    I wish this became a bigger plank for the Democrats, but I've not really seen true understanding of the issues  aside from maybe Dick Durbin.

  •  It's a sad day in Baggerville. 8( (0+ / 0-)

    "Republicans are the party that says that government doesn't work, then they get elected and prove it."-- PJ O'Rourke

    by nocynicism on Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 08:38:15 AM PST

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