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Marcy Wheeler writes in The Targeted Killing Memos Shared with NYT, But Not Senate Intelligence Committee:

The Senate Intelligence Committee can’t learn the details of what the government is up to, the Administration says, because even sharing information (much less publicizing details) about our agreements with governments like Algeria would be embarrassing for all parties involved.

So who are the former and current government officials and senior administration officials leaking information to the NYT about new efforts — including the use of unarmed drones — to target the Algerian militant Mokhtar Belmokhtar in Algeria and Mali?

The NYT reports that earlier concerns about conducting operations not covered by the 2001 [authorization to use military force] have recently been allayed.

The idea of taking stronger action in the region has been supported in recent months by Michael Sheehan, the senior counterterrorism official at the Pentagon, and Daniel Benjamin, who until December was the senior State Department counterterrorism official. In the past, State Department lawyers have questioned whether the military action approved by Congress against Al Qaeda after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks authorized efforts to target extremists who were not clearly linked to the group. But according to some officials, those legal arguments  have recently been overcome.
“Those legal arguments have recently been overcome.” By the adoption of new [Office of the Legal Counsel] advice the Administration won’t share with Congress?

Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2008Republicans To Use The Troops For Political Gain:

Once again showing that "supporting the troops" is just a slogan, Senate Republicans unexpectedly agreed to debate Senator Russ Feingold's bill that would require troops to begin withdrawing from Iraq within 120 days and cut funding for further combat deployments.  Is it because Republicans have finally decided to listen to more than 60% of the American people?  

Or did they finally realize that the ever-increasing cost in blood and treasure is too high a price to pay?  Of course not.  It's because Republicans:

...want to highlight the security achievements over the past year under President Bush's troop buildup strategy.
That's right; they want to do a little political grandstanding on the backs of the troops that they claim to support.

Tweet of the Day:

Oh shit. I forgot to erase my browser history on my work computer. Shit shit shit.
@dowagerpontiff via Twitter for iPhone



On today's Kagro in the Morning show: sequester, guns & false equivalence. Greg Dworkin talked about United Physicians of Newtown's recognition in the media, the dynamics of the gun conversation in general, and on the sequester, the continuing dependency on false equivalence. Also: the Woodward blow-up, today's most outrageous #GunFAILs, and the new hotness of false equivalency shaming. Jennifer Rubin "fans" in particular will delight in her roasting by The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf.


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  •  Did Gene Sperling learn terrorism from Bill Ayers? (21+ / 0-)

    Enquiring minds want to know.

    HANNITY: The fact that the president was never asked a lot about the 6 trillion in debt that he accumulated prior to this election, in this first election wasn’t asked about his association with Bill Ayers was troublesome to me, I think we've got a media that’s not as critical as perhaps it once was in, for example, the days of Watergate.

    WOODWARD: Well, I agree with that. We need to be very aggressive and it's one of the judges that said democracies die in darkness and I really think that's true.

    Keep digging, Bob.

    *rolls eyes*

    •  But warn New Zealand nt (9+ / 0-)

      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:39:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Did Hannity play scary music with video (11+ / 0-)

      of Nazi's marching in the background when he did that "interview"?

      And when did Woodward join the Right Wing Noise Machine? Because, seriously, when you're reduced to selling your schtick on Hannity, your credibility in the real world is toast.

      "Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend." - Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:45:21 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Ugh. I just watched that interview (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      after staying up half the night finishing part 3 of the UK House of Cards series.

      I thought he might feel embarrassment and retreat.

      What a fucking hack. A tool of fat cat Washington.

      Made me all the madder our version of House of Cards was so de-fanged, so "all-sides-do-it" that our FU is a Dem and the tone was mere cynicism instead of a blazing hot rebuke against the real bad guys the original House of Cards was. The UK series, through artistry and a thin veneer of Shakespearean theater,  helped change the status quo. Our version just promotes malaise and ill will towards government in general.

      We need a show that goes full on against the enemies of our country as the original UK House of Cards did. The remake is lifeless and depressing by comparison. We need this because our old heroes here have cashed in, Woodward at the top of the list.

      And I liked the Netflix series before I saw the original.

  •  I'm hoping the next Pope is... (11+ / 0-)

    A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

    by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:33:48 PM PST

  •  Overrated Clown (18+ / 0-)
    Goodbye, Bob

    Bob Woodward is not a reliable reporter. Readers of All the President's Men, which admirably chronicles several crucial errors and misrepresentations that he and Carl Bernstein made in the course of their—otherwise excellent!—Watergate reporting, have a sense of this fact. His old boss, the legendary editor Ben Bradlee, never really trusted him, wondering repeatedly and on the record whether the story and mythology of Deep Throat—the linchpin of the Watergate story that Woodward and his partner Carl Bernstein sold to the American public—was in fact a giant fraud.

    And anyone who has been paying attention to Woodward's efforts to portray an apologetic, friendly, concerned email from a White House official as a Nixonian threat designed to silence him will come to the conclusion that, when it comes to assessing his character, we should trust those who know him best. Bradlee was on to something.

    http://gawker.com/...

    "Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend." - Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:34:00 PM PST

  •  I have never injured or killed anyone... (7+ / 0-)

    A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

    by justiceputnam on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:47:21 PM PST

  •  Being Pope must be a great job. (7+ / 0-)

    I wonder how many other Catholics can afford to retire in this economy.

    The Great Awakening Is Afire! Nothing can be done. Rubio drank all their water.

    by franklyn on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:53:50 PM PST

  •  Test (8+ / 0-)
    Oh shit. I forgot to erase my browser history on my work computer. Shit shit shit.
    @dowagerpontiff via Twitter for iPhone




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:54:51 PM PST

    •  Ugh. I give up. (6+ / 0-)

      Exact HTML used in this diary for the tweet of the day doesn't work in comments, or in a diary draft preview.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 08:58:55 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  ..... (7+ / 0-)

        html should look like
        <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Oh shit. I forgot to erase my browser history on my work computer. Shit shit shit.<p>— Dowager Pontiff (@dowagerpontiff) <a href="https://twitter.com/dowagerpontiff/status/307163530069676032">February 28, 2013</a></blockquote>
        <script async src="
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        Cut paste from my own preview

        I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

        by JML9999 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:33:00 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  asdf (3+ / 0-)
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          I can see the embedded tweet you posted as it should appear, when I viewed this page in FireFox (Android), so the browser I'm using normally, Dolphin Browser (Android), is really being a dick.

          Actually, though, the code I was testing in my original comment was the code swiped from this Night Owls diary that produces the tweet of the day in a modified, smaller format that still includes the profile pic. I can't reproduce that at all.

          All of this screwing around I'm doing is on my Android based phone. All kinds of problems lately. I can't see any images people post here that are hosted on Photobucket or tinypic.

          Thanks for your reply, BTW. :)




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:50:23 PM PST

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  •  Feynman 'Fun to Imagine' 3: Rubber Bands (8+ / 0-)

  •  Telling Congress involves the kind of official... (3+ / 0-)
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    communications that can end up in a FOIA request or a Court case. Fooling around with these kinds of bogus childish "unofficial" leaks allows the Administration to continue to walk into Court and claim, with an apparently straight face, that the existence of the particular memo in question doesn't officially exist, so it can't be produced.

    "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

    by 2020adam on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:10:10 PM PST

  •  Expand the poll a bit... (1+ / 0-)
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    I would like to know more about the "targeted killing" policy like many others. But what I would really like to know is "why" people are against the policy?

    The poll you put up seems a bit simplistic to me. I think we need to break it down a lot further than you have done.

    Targeted killings have been around for as long as the CIA has been in business. It's a clandestine removal of a particular individual that has been deemed as dangerous to the United States for various reasons. Recently, we engaged in this so-called War on Terror thus the AUMF was passed. Which brought with it one helluva rats nest of issues of policy.

    One item which is thus far approved is that we can legally go after and kill members of Al Qaeda that were linked to the attack on 9/11.

    But I would  ask what is the difference between going after Al Qaeda "then" versus the Al Qaeda of "now"? Is it acceptable to the public that we target the organization as a whole instead of just those people that planned, implemented and authorized the attacks back then?

    To me, that seems plausible as long as they are still behind the idea that we are "their target".

    But that brings up my last thought. What if an American citizen is a member of that organization? Do we give them a "pass"? Let's say this American citizen is living in a heavily defended bunker in Pakistan and is now taking up the reins of Osama bin Laden. What then?

    We really need to take an honest look at this approach and consider that we really don't have a choice if the person is going completely terrorist against the United States. Do we?

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:39:48 PM PST

    •  Polls can't be edited... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...once they are posted.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:54:53 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  dKos is not your only source of information, you (0+ / 0-)

      American exceptionalism is America's road to perdition.

      by Alexandre on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 10:27:39 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  And, in addition to what Jeff said... (1+ / 0-)
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      A means for producing a "multiple choice" type of poll here on Daily Kos doesn't currently exist.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 10:37:16 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I don't understand how what you're saying leads... (5+ / 0-)
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      to the conclusion that the poll needs more choices. You're saying you support the policy, and use the popular "no other choice" justification for that support.

      I don't support the policy, on the assumption that there are indeed significantly more effective, more lawful ways of dealing with people who say mean stuff about us and are associated with other people who try to hurt us.

      There isn't a whole lot of need for a poll to dig into the reasons. Either you buy the Infallible Executive argument from this Administration and its predecessor, or you don't.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:11:31 PM PST

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      •  "Infallible Executive" sounds almost papist. (3+ / 0-)
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        I guess we're headed that direction, towards an executive that's always right, always gaining power, and that steers the other branches, including the SC.  Frightening, because once power is gained it's not relinquished easily, and we never know who will be next to wield that power.  People of both parties should be concerned for the future.

        The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

        by Not A Bot on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 12:08:36 AM PST

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      •  That gives the president powers espoused... (4+ / 0-)
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        ... by the Unitary executive theory.  [Yes, this buys into Nixon's "When the President does it, that means it is not illegal."  It is very much the idea of "Infallible Executive" - unfortunately.]

        Unitary executive theory was what Dickie was getting at during a debate when he saw his role of VP as "strengthening the role of the president."  Since Dickie was in Reagan's cabinet, I have to wonder if he was the one who mentioned the unitary executive at some point and that's why an executive order Reagan signed quoted 'unitary executive' the Wiki article.

        Carl Schmitt is the one who came up with the unitary executive theory.

        Neoconservatism
        Some have argued that neoconservativism has been influenced by Schmitt.[31] Most notably the legal opinions offered by Alberto Gonzalez, John Yoo et al. by invoking the unitary executive theory to justify highly controversial policies in the war on terror — such as introducing unlawful combatant status which purportedly would eliminate protection by the Geneva Conventions,[32] enhanced interrogation techniques, NSA electronic surveillance program — mimic his writings.[31] Professor David Luban had indicated that "[a] Lexis search reveals five law review references to Schmitt between 1980 and 1990; 114 between 1990 and 2000; and 420 since 2000, with almost twice as many in the last five years as the previous five".[33]
        Do we really want to go back to this again?  Or a moron like Captain Codpiece?

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 12:43:32 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I think it's worth noting this administration's... (0+ / 0-)

          shift in emphasis from relying on expansive executive power to looking to a similarly expansive reading of powers provided by the legislature.

          The purpose, it seems to me, is to cover all of the bases necessary to ensure this power is allowed to continue. If, someday, the Courts grow uncomfortable with the unitary executive theory and allow challenges to illegal Presidential actions, this Administration has worked to ensure that a) Congress continues to hand over more power and b) DOJ has an extensive internal framework of memos laying out how Congress gave the President these powers anyways.

          "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

          by 2020adam on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 01:20:33 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Oh, in case I wasn't clear enough... (5+ / 0-)
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        JesseCW, Actbriniel, JeffW, 2020adam, Wynter

        ... I don't support for one second the targeted bombings or assassinations of anyone as dictated by a president.  I don't care if it's a Repuke or a Dem, or the weapon of choice is drone bombings or a sniper's rifle or whatever method these idiots can dream up..., no targeted killings of anyone.

        Capture criminals and bring them to trial instead.  Sometimes that's not possible when the perpetrator kills himself in the process of committing crimes (like the 19 hijackers and murderers), but that's how it goes some days.

        Better that than start a war with a fanatical gang of deranged criminals who are not even welcome in their own countries and falsely calling it a 'war on terror' which costs us more money than it is worth and puts us in debt for many years to come - which leaves wordsmiths wondering how there can be a 'war on fear.'

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 12:52:18 AM PST

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      •  I support the policy... (0+ / 0-)

        And not in the "no other choice" justification. But in the plain and simple fact that 90% of it is going after terrorists that are actively targeting the United States. What I think is the issue in the policy is the fine line when it comes to an American citizen overseas taking up this same activity.

        Sure, we can arrest them and have them brought to courts inside the United States. And I believe that is what the Obama administration tries to do. But I think the media has inflated this fine line to make it appear that we don't even try.

        So I suppose I am in the "much ado about nothing" category. I think there is a very strong need to repeal the AUMF and replace it with something else covering how we go about defending ourselves against organizations that are actively going after US interests domestic and abroad. But I do not think there is a malevolent action going on right now to kill American citizens. Yes, there are a few dual citizenship individuals that have hit the news. But I don't feel we are looking at a wholesale assault on anyone and everyone.

        I think the DKos poll is good, but the results don't reflect what parts of the policy people are against. It's basically a Yes/No answer whereas it really comes down to what part of the policy you are against. Some people are against any killing of people, let alone US citizens, some are against using bombs to do the job because civilians are often killed in the process, and some are simply upset over just the American Citizens ending up on the list. So there is a wide variety of answers that the poll just doesn't cope with. THAT IS ALL I WAS COMMENTING ON!!!!

        I thought that part was pretty dang clear. But I suppose many people took various parts of my comment to mean something entirely different. And for that I find fascinating. This is a complex issue with a lot of heated emotional parts to it. It's not easy, or simple to resolve. I find DKos readers to be the most informed and invested in these issues. And enjoy hearing from all sides. Even if I am in the minority. ;)

        Keep posting!

        "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

        by Wynter on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 11:01:30 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I don't know where the heck ya get that... (0+ / 0-)

          90% figure. Nor where you find your certainty in claiming efforts are made to apprehend folks on the kill list or those targeted by signature strikes.

          Both seem based on the idea that this can't be that bad, and we wouldn't be doing it if these people weren't out to get us, rather than any assessment of reported or verified factual claims.

          "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

          by 2020adam on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 01:31:47 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Ballparks are for playing ball... (0+ / 0-)

            So you think we are killing 1 American out of 10 with drones? That WOULD be pretty newsworthy!

            I am a glass half full type of person. Show me the facts that say we ARE going out of our way to dishonestly kill just any old American then I might believe it. But thus far all I hear are people claiming that they COULD go after grandma and grandpa. The media is full of exaggeration and hyperbole. If I believed even half of it to be true I would need to be on anti-depressants 24x7.

            "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

            by Wynter on Sat Mar 02, 2013 at 06:23:23 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Not what your 90% figure was referencing. (0+ / 0-)

              You were saying that 90% of the drone strikes are attacks on "terrorists actively targeting the United States".

              Plenty of contradictory information has made its way out. Signature strikes target folks for a pattern of movement, not their identity or intentions. Double-tap strikes target first-responders, neighbors and mourners. Our Yemen strikes are attacking an insurgency that is a) not always especially hard to physically reach and b) focused mostly on taking down a decades-old military dictatorship. An unknown number of our Pakistan strikes have been at the behest of the Pakistani government, which has, to put it exceptionally lightly, somewhat divergent interests from ours.

              "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

              by 2020adam on Sun Mar 03, 2013 at 04:05:43 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

    •  Targeted killings have been around for as long as (3+ / 0-)
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      NonnyO, Rick Aucoin, Wynter

      the CIA has been in business.

      And the CIA has been an agent of fascist empire since its inception: overthrowing the lawfully elected democratic  government of Iran, proposing a pre-emptive nuclear strike against Soviets that would have killed 150,000,000 people; 5,000,000 dead in SE Asia, propping up Saddam Hussein, fomenting Iran/Iraq War, Iran Contra, employing Osama bin Laden, Iraq WMD, torture programs... the targeted killing program is guaranteed to kill the wrong people and arouse further hatred for the Empire.

      I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

      by bobdevo on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 12:03:53 AM PST

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    •  Right now, we're bombing weddings, funerals, (1+ / 0-)
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      JeffW

      and kids sleeping at home in their beds based on "signature profiles" suggesting that someone who may be affiliated with groups that may be affiliated with some splinter of Al Queda may be somewhere near the intended kill radius.

      That's the reality of what we're doing.  We have to move forward from there to have any conversations about right and wrong that matter.

      We are not "targeting members of Al Queda".  If we were, we could discuss that.

      income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

      by JesseCW on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 03:12:04 AM PST

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  •  if the White HOuse won't release the memos (4+ / 0-)
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    if I were a member of Congress, I believe I would publicly say that we must presume that the legal justification does not, in fact, exist at all, in which case the President is claiming a right to extrajudicial, illegal killings and introduce certainly a motion for Congressional subpoena.  If not complied with, I'd introduce articles of impeachment on the basis that there is no legal justification for it.
      Enough of this executive privilege nonsense.  The President is answerable to Congressional oversight, and if he won't comply, then perhaps it is time to take a hard look at what action remains for Congress to force the issue.  

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:41:22 PM PST

    •  Shocking that nobody wants to replace... (4+ / 0-)

      Dennis Kucinich as Least Favorite Democrat among colleagues and party loyalists.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:13:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I guess (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        that's what an opposition party is supposed to be for...

        "Today is who you are" - my wife

        by I Lurked For Years on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 04:44:14 AM PST

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        •  Requires a *loyal* opposition, interested... (0+ / 0-)

          in advancing a different way of reaching the same theoretical goal: a better country.

          Instead, during kill list hearings in front of the House Judiciary Committee earlier this week, we were treated to an insane rant from Louie Gohmert, espousing the theory that this power might be used to assassinate a terrorist to keep their problematic political ties to the White House a secret.

          Hard to engage in a productive debate when that's one side of the discussion.

          "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

          by 2020adam on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 04:05:29 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Of course (1+ / 0-)
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        Torture and murder and erosion of the rule of law appear to be bipartisan policies.  One wonders how this will ever stop?

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 05:44:36 AM PST

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        •  The solution certainly isn't to be found inside... (0+ / 0-)

          the narrow confines of our electoral system.

          Avoiding that conclusion is the entire M.O. of those who chastise folks who engage in non-electoral activism. Restrict ourselves to electoral politics necessarily means accepting and ignoring policies with bipartisan support. It means accepting as inevitable some of the most destructive actions of our government.

          "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

          by 2020adam on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 04:11:17 PM PST

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    •  It's an impeachable offense. (1+ / 0-)
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      NonnyO

      It was when Bush did it; it is equally offensive from Obama.

      I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

      by bobdevo on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 12:06:19 AM PST

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    •  Now that he has the power... (3+ / 0-)
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      ... he doesn't want to give it up.

      Now I get why he didn't favor impeaching Dumbya in '07.  This article is why I didn't support Obama.  The other "frontrunner candidates" had already said they did not favor impeachment and I was waiting until all the candidates had declared whether or not they favored impeachment.

      A couple of weeks after Obama said he didn't support impeachment (and investigating lies and war crimes was an iffy maybe), Bill Moyers interviewed John Nichols and Bruce Fein about impeachment.  Fein won a fan in me.  (When Jonathan Turley appeared on Keith Olbermann's show, he was also eloquent about the various laws Dumbya and Dickie were breaking, constitutional violations, etc.)

      Kucinich had already brought an impeachment resolution to the floor of the House by the time Nichols and Fein were interviewed by Moyers.  I was disappointed that neither Moyers nor Nichols or Fein mentioned that fact.  A few weeks later Moyers had Kucinich on to interview him about the impeachment.  [Kucinich was extremely eloquent when he brought 35 articles of impeachment against Dumbya - the video is on YouTube and someone has broken it down into 9-10 minute segments.  He went on to do an impeachment resolution on Dickie, then a third shorter one on Dumbya that found its way to the full House.]

      Then there's the matter of all the unconstitutional legislation that has been passed since 2000 that has taken away our rights..., and not allowed to expire, but extended.  We need our rights "officially" returned to us and all of that requires repealing AUMF, Patriot Act, MCA '06, MCA '09, and FISA fiasco '08, and Obama needs to write a countering executive order disbanding the 'office of faith-based initiatives.'  I can't believe he was a very good con law prof if he's violating the constitution all over the place and refusing to abide by his oath of office.


      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 01:20:16 AM PST

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      •  Hedges is the man! (1+ / 0-)
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        His message is dire but right on the money...

        "WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY FOX NEWS IS JOURNALISM"

        by FakeNews on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 02:44:45 AM PST

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        •  Jonathan Turley has... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... talked about the unconstitutional things Obama has done.  When Turley used to be on with Keith Olbermann both men were lamenting that Obama did not turn out to be the man people thought he was.

          It wasn't long after that that Olbermann was fired and Turley has not been before the cameras much.  In both cases, neither one cares much which political party any of the politicians belong to.  It's the fact that virtually all the politicians are dismantling the constitution that just wigged them out.

          I signed up for the daily notices of new postings on Turley's blog.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 03:12:58 AM PST

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  •  That Amendment, "Don't Embarrass Politicians (4+ / 0-)
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    By Knowing Their Policies" ... when did that get passed? I swear I missed it entirely.

    The Senate Intelligence Committee can’t learn the details of what the government is up to, the Administration says, because even sharing information ... about our agreements ... would be embarrassing for all parties involved.
    Quick! Can anyone spot the difference between a Republic and a Monarchy?


    We live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers, justice; universities, knowledge; governments, freedom; the press, information; religion, morals; and our banks destroy the economy. -- Chris Hedges

    by Jim P on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 09:52:56 PM PST

    •  In a contemporary Monarchy, the Legislature... (4+ / 0-)
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      gets to do whatever it wants, with the (effectively ceremonial) acquiescence of the Executive.

      In a contemporary Republic, the Executive gets to do whatever it wants, with the (effectively ceremonial) acquiscence of the Legislature. [at least, in the policy areas under discussion]

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:18:34 PM PST

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      •  So, things really are upside down after all? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        We live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers, justice; universities, knowledge; governments, freedom; the press, information; religion, morals; and our banks destroy the economy. -- Chris Hedges

        by Jim P on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:25:22 PM PST

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  •  Good heavens: a sinkhole (1+ / 0-)
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    has opened up and swallowed a house in FL, and there's apparently a person trapped inside:

    http://www.wtsp.com/...

    E.O.M. (end of month) sale at my Handmade Gallery on Zibbet. 10%0ff everything through March 3, check it out!

    by jan4insight on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:13:45 PM PST

    •  Is the trappee a Bishop? (0+ / 0-)

      n/t

      The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

      by Not A Bot on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 12:11:25 AM PST

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  •  We are the Empire. (2+ / 0-)
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    And the idea the Executive can keep the rules secret from Congress is quite literally madness of the Kafka/Thru the Looking Glass genus.

    Our government is dysfunctional and insane.

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by bobdevo on Thu Feb 28, 2013 at 11:48:16 PM PST

  •  Capo Wisdom & The Banking Industry... (0+ / 0-)

    A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude -- Pablo Neruda / Netroots Radio podcasts of The After Show with Wink & Justice can be found on Stitcher

    by justiceputnam on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 12:52:46 AM PST

  •  181 around here strongly agree with the policy. (3+ / 0-)
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    And I bet I could name damn near all 181 of them.  

    The usual suspects.

    Man.  How can ANYONE approve of killing American citizens (or non-Americans for that matter) without any due process or charges or transparency, outside of an actual declared state of war?

    I just don't get some of the Democrats around here.

    *The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10*

    by Rick Aucoin on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 02:32:25 AM PST

  •  Wait. The Obama Administration has a *targeted* (1+ / 0-)
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    killing policy?

    When are they rolling this out?

    So far, I've just seen the "Bomb areas we think someone we think might be the enemy might be in" policy.

    income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

    by JesseCW on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 03:04:41 AM PST

  •  Bad jokes never end well (1+ / 0-)
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    Laugh. Or I will kill you with my remote.

    After I remember where I put those confounded batteries..

    Is Jeopardy on?

    The Price is Wrong.

    More Bread, Less Circus - pitchfork wielding man in torchlight

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 03:06:00 AM PST

  •  The tweet of the day is great! (2+ / 0-)
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  •  The "targeted killing policy" (0+ / 0-)

    Is that the official name? When isn't killing "targeted" when the aiming isn't so good? When a there's a man in physical contact with the machine that releases the weapon? How many degrees of separation from hand to hand weaponless combat qualify the description of the policy in your poll?

    When an aircraft carrier launches a guided cruise missile hundreds of miles from the target is it "targeted killing policy" Video mounted smart bombs?

    The drone warfare tactic. Terrorist extermination policy. Remote seek and destroy.

    War tactics are ugly. Their purpose is most often death and always destruction.

    You could have asked "Do you support using deadly force against active terrorists?" or "Do you support employing new technology in war efforts to limit collateral damage"

    The poll question is framed indiscriminately, ambiguously and with out context. I can't tell what makes it a meaningful question.

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