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  •  This video makes me want to learn how (3+ / 0-)

    to code! I can remember programming on our old Apple IIE and how much fun we had. I loved making our own video games back then. Why don't we encourage more of it?

  •  This is excellent. (4+ / 0-)

    Our family approach to education fits with what most of these guys have to say. It's why we've homeschooled. It's given my kids the time they need to play and to learn through play which is what all these stories are really about.

    Like the connection between progressives and veterans? Please vote for Purple Mountain Institute in the NN'13 Free Booth Contest.

    by angelajean on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 06:00:56 AM PST

  •  Creativity is More Important (6+ / 0-)

    than drone work and memorizing libraries. Art, music, wood shop, metal shop, physical ed., etc... pretty much everything that has been removed in the name of better education are more important because this experience is drawn upon to solve problems. A rich, diverse, engaging, sensory experience is what is missing from education.

    When all you have is a hammer (computer), everything looks like a nail (program). Besides, smells like the old reason people used to explain why math is taught.

    •  If I were the education czar, this is what I'd do (1+ / 0-)
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      Creativity is more important than drone work and memorizing libraries. Art, music, wood shop, metal shop, physical ed., etc... pretty much everything that has been removed in the name of better education are more important because this experience is drawn upon to solve problems. A rich, diverse, engaging, sensory experience is what is missing from education.
      Get rid of the desks, most of the books, the drills, the tests, the passivity, the decontextualization, and teach concepts indirectly through their application towards productive ends.  
  •  Work Day, Many Viewers Can't Watch the Video (5+ / 0-)

    Can you write a few paragraphs about it?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 06:31:26 AM PST

  •  And? (2+ / 0-)
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    Synopsis would be nice.

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 06:47:52 AM PST

  •  A lot of things teach you to "think" other than (3+ / 0-)
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    learning how to program, much less just learning how to run a PC or tablet -- they're called the liberal arts and sciences (especially, IMO, but hardly exclusively, math and writing.)* Using computers as a motivational method, an instructional method in many disciplines, etc. are obviously important for contemporary education.  But to say that learning to use them has some special ability to teach "thinking" unavailable through other methods and subjects is just silly.  If learning to be great at computers produced some special ability to think, Bill Gates wouldn't have such assinine ideas about education and the Facebook social nincompoop** wouldn't be a big Christie fan.  

    *This isn't the snark of a Luddite.  Back in the day in grad school I taught myself Basic and Fortran to write specialized  stats programs, as well as SPSS, SAS, LISREL, etc., etc.--not to mention about 10 different word processing and desktop publishing programs over the years.  I've never felt like they taught me a damn thing about thinking that I didn't learn in geometry and algebra classes.

    **There are many different types of intelligence (see Robert Sternberg and Howard Gardner), one of the most important of which for functioning in life is social intelligence, which is not developed very efficiently while staring into a screen.  

    •  I'm with you on this one ... (4+ / 0-)

      back in 1979 Theodore Roszak nailed it with his Cult of Information. In many ways, we've been dumbing down ever since. We redefined information, pretended it was knowledge and started digging ourselves into a hole we may not be able to get out of.

      The German neurologist Manfred Spitzer has shown quite clearly that the best predictor of math ability in school is the how many finger games they played in kindergarden. He has also demonstrated what Roszak feared: excessive media use is damaging to our neural circuitry.

      But, let's get some of the socially most maladjusted people on the planet to tell us what we need to know and what we need to be taught. Of all the intelligences and abilities that we can possibly have, coding is the least important, and probably most limited, of them all.

      None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

      by achronon on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 08:51:48 AM PST

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      •  the computer is more real than the real world (1+ / 0-)
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        It's so much more immersive: right in front of you, literally dominating your view, demanding your full attention, giving you complete control, with everything there is to see, hear, and read just a click away.  The real world is a TV show by comparison: a whole lot of scenery and extras whizzing around with you passive in the center.  It's much harder to focus on and offers little that isn't easier and cheaper and almost as good as the internet. It's harder to multitask in the real world.

    •  Many of the best coders I've worked with (1+ / 0-)
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      are people who had problems to solve and taught themselves to use computers to solve them.

      Curiously, a large percentage of them have also been pilots and/or people who have substantial talents in writing or the arts.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 10:12:28 AM PST

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    •  Why does it have to be or the other? (0+ / 0-)

      Of course learning to program shouldn't replace the liberal arts. But programming is more than staring at a screen or mindless texting. I'm an old Luddite myself -- this stuff came along too late for me. But just reading and listening to what these young people are saying should encourage us to keep our minds open about the values they see in it and the potential values to be shared with others.

  •  Time was, when you bought a PC... (1+ / 0-)
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    RiveroftheWest got GW-BASIC with it. And DEBUG.Both of which could be used for some simple programming. And of course there was batch-file programming, and all those neat little scripts that DEBUG could turn into little utilities for you.

    Now,  ther's so much crap and cruft, most people don't bother.

    Too bad...

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Fri Mar 01, 2013 at 09:24:24 AM PST

  •  yet Bill Gates wants to privatize all education (1+ / 0-)
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    All the rich iconoclasts seem to have this attitude that they can reduce what made them successful to a standardized formula and mass-market it like an edgy energy drink.  Charter schools as maverick genius factories: that seems so completely irony-blind to me.  

    People like Bill Gates need to be forced to wear signs or something that read "Results not typical".

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