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Oh my John McCain (R-Oldfart) and Lindsey Graham (R-Media Whore) are aghast that Rand Paul would dare to filibuster concerning drones and "Battlefield America"

Graham, McCain blast Paul filibuster

“I don’t think what happened yesterday was helpful to the American people,” said Mr. McCain,

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And where even Democrats praised Mr. Paul for using Senate rules properly to launch a filibuster, Mr. McCain said it was an abuse of rules that could hurt the GOP in the long run.

Mr. Paul said he was filibustering to get the administration to affirm it won’t kill non-combatant Americans in the U.S. — but Mr. Graham and Mr. McCain said that was a ludicrous question.

“I do not believe that question deserves an answer,” Mr. Graham said.

While Johnnie and Lindsey enjoyed their dinner that they again didn't have to pay for, a "colleague" was attempting to uphold the Constitution.  The ACLU supported the effort, Ron Wyden supported the effort.

Where were the Dems who have been decrying the Patriot Act and the creeping expansion of the AUFM?

At the very least the 2 fetid Repug apologists have finally been exposed for the weasels they are.

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  •  Tip Jar (16+ / 0-)

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:43:36 AM PST

  •  Oh the hypocrisy, it burns... (7+ / 0-)
    “I do not believe that question deserves an answer,” Mr. Graham said.
    But Hagel had to answer for every rumor, innuendo, non-interview quote, outright smear, "Friend of Hamas" joke that became Right Wing Journo fodder and Graham was right in the thick of it.

    If you're not talking about what billionaire hedgefund bankster Peter G. Peterson is up to you're having the wrong conversations.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:49:11 AM PST

  •  Belief is funny. (2+ / 0-)
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    Pinto Pony, LilithGardener

    It gets little Johnny running.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:53:10 AM PST

  •  This is how far Senate confirmation has fallen... (4+ / 0-)
    Mr. Graham said he had been inclined to oppose the nomination because he’d found Brennan to be qualified for the job but also “arrogant, kind of a bit shifty.” He said he wasn’t going to filibuster him but would have voted against him on final passage, but now he’ll vote for him.

    “I am going to vote for Brennan now because it’s become a referendum on the drone program,” he said.

    Graham was going to vote against confirmation because he found Brennan "arrogant and a big shifty", though admitted he was qualified for it.

    Really?  

    If you're not talking about what billionaire hedgefund bankster Peter G. Peterson is up to you're having the wrong conversations.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 09:53:21 AM PST

  •  I stand with McCain (1+ / 0-)
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    carver

    Look, this Rand Paul filibuster is just another bit in his anti-government shtick that he's packaged to a fearful audience (the US public) to advance a political career. Fear sells, and the anacro-libertarians like Paul know it. And I've disgusted with people on this site and in the media (Cenk Ugyer is the worst in this regard) that are happy to parrot Paul without having a reasonable discussion of the role of government in the matter.

    Paul is doing the rounds today. Was on Glenn Beck this morning, on Rush this afternoon. They're loving it.

    If I catch flak from the progressives here, so be it. I'm a liberal, anyway.

    "The only thing to fear is fear itself"

    •  Ok (3+ / 0-)

      politics trump principle and the Constitution...got it.

      Let's review for chuckles...

      Amendment IV

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

      Amendment V

      No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

      Amendment VI

      In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

      "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

      by EdMass on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:09:05 AM PST

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    •  I think you're missing half of the point. (6+ / 0-)
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      EdMass, myboo, trevzb, carver, blueoasis, gfv6800

      While some people simply want an answer as to whether or not the government might use drones domestically, and to what extent, a lot of folks, especially on the left, are applauding him for returning to the old-style filibuster, rather than smiply pulling the 'hidden filibuster' that is far easier to use, and has resulted in Republican obstructionism of just about everything that could be done to pull us out of the economic disaster Bush created along with the help of your buddy McCain.  If McCain and co were actually required to return to such old school filibusters, we'd see far fewer of them, and might actually get a few more things on the democratic agenda done.

    •  I shot off... (0+ / 0-)

      ...quickly, as my typos make clear.

      I'm frustrated today. The fact that Paul is getting a huge platform with very little pushback is only making it worse. We need a rationale discussion on the role of government in this matter. All I'm seeing is irrational fear and a lot of grandstanding.

      Paul has gone on Beck and Rush. It plays right into their "govt is coming to get you" and "govt is crushing our liberties" memes. I'm sure he'll go onto Alex "black helicopters" Jones next.

      My rage isn't politically-motivated. This anti-government rhetoric has infected both parties. But, indeed, as the Democratic Party still defends, ostensibly, govt's role in social and economic policy, I would much prefer to have them in control.

      Trumping the Constitution? Well, as a simple matter, who says we can't? 3/5 comp? But anyway, my point is, I'm in the Hamiltonian 'necessary and proper' school. The government has a role to do, which sadly has been chipped away throughout the years.

      We has progressives and social liberals need not rush to support Paul without pausing to acknowledge the role of government. And that is what McCain was talking about here:

      "So we've done a, I think, a disservice to a lot Americans by making them believe that somehow they're in danger from their government," McCain said.
      •  The odd thing (0+ / 0-)

        about complaining that the President has claimed the authority to extra-judicially execute citizens on American soil is that those doing the complaining are the first in line to defend the authority of the average high-school graduate power-mad local cop to exercise the same discretion.

        Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

        by trevzb on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:21:42 AM PST

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      •  Your "typos" (0+ / 0-)

        keep coming to explain your "reasoning"

        Trumping the Constitution? Well, as a simple matter, who says we can't? 3/5 comp?
        The 3/5ths canard keeps going.  I prefer Frederick Douglass on the matter.

        'A Glorious Liberty Document' Frederick Douglass' case for an anti-slavery Constitution

        In Frederick Douglass and the Fourth of July, the New York University historian James A. Colaiaco offers a compelling, if repetitive, account of this remarkable oration and the extraordinary individual behind it. "An abolitionist manifesto," Colaiaco writes, "Douglass's oration would be the greatest abolition speech of the nineteenth century." Not only did it furiously denounce slavery ("a system as barbarous and dreadful as ever stained the character of a nation"), the speech, entitled "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July," firmly grounded the fight against slavery in the text of the Constitution, boldly challenging the standard interpretation of the document, particularly its notorious "three-fifths" clause, and demanding that white America fully honor the Constitution's guarantee of natural rights.

        "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

        by EdMass on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:24:34 AM PST

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  •  Yes Sen. Graham, we Do deserve and answer... (2+ / 0-)
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    EdMass, blueoasis

    regarding the expanding use of domestic drones and about their potentials for not only widespread surveillance, and potentials for abuse, but also the potentials for...

    ..arming these remote-controlled aircraft with (nonlethal for now) weapons like rubber bullets, Tasers, and tear gas...

    ...or even deploy weapons...

    And, Senators McCain, and Graham, since...
    CBP has been making its Predator drones available for domestic law enforcement operations...(and since) This expanded use of the Predators was carried out with no public knowledge or debate...
    ...it is time for some questions, and for some clear, concise, unambiguous, honest answers--especially when the questions come from the people who pay your salaries, and who you allegedly represent.
  •  This what the filibuster is for (4+ / 0-)
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    EdMass, greengemini, carver, blueoasis

    As much as I detest The policies that Rand Paul supports, I have to hand it to him for taking this stand.

    Was it the right time? I don't know, but this is what the filibuster is for, for those rare occasions when a member, or member wants to draw the country's attention to a serious matter.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:00:49 AM PST

  •  Suggested wording fix... (4+ / 0-)
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    angry marmot, EdMass, myboo, blueoasis

    Original text

    At the very least the 2 fetid Repug apologists have finally been exposed for the weasels they are.
    Suggested text...
    At the very least the 2 fetid Repug apologists have been exposed, again, for the weasels they are.

    -6.38, -6.21: Lamented and assured to the lights and towns below, Faster than the speed of sound, Faster than we thought we'd go, Beneath the sound of hope...

    by Vayle on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:04:08 AM PST

  •  Not "helpful"? (1+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis

    And McGrumpyPants' masturbatory fantasies about Benghazi "helped" just how, precisely? wtf...

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:07:04 AM PST

  •  Well, I am aghast at (1+ / 0-)
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    jayden

    Lindsey's disaster fantasy from yesterday just to demonstrate what an AR15 is "for" - with dam's breaking and chemical plants exploding and power grids going down & general lawlessness everywhere. All at once too.
    And I am aghast at McCain's wasting of time. Could say on Benghazi alone, but I won't. And his VP choice. And...oh, forget it.
    I think we are even.

    Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

    by hulibow on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 10:16:59 AM PST

    •  We're only even when McCain exits (2+ / 0-)
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      blueoasis, hulibow

      the national stage and retires to one of his homes if he can remember where any of them are. May he enjoy his twilight years in peace ( for us because we don't have to listen to his lunacy anymore ) and the obscurity he so richly deserves.


      Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot • Mumford & Sons

      by jayden on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 12:37:22 PM PST

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  •  While I still consider Rand Paul (2+ / 0-)
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    a Libertarian loon, I give him props for using the filibuster as it was meant to be used and for asking some crucial questions on the US's use of drones.  Lindsey and McFraud are a couple of ankle biting curs whose goals are self promotion.
     (damn, I hate defending the likes of Rand Paul)

    "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. Isaac Asimov (8.25 / -5.64}

    by carver on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 11:59:22 AM PST

  •  Double Speak (2+ / 0-)
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    jayden, blueoasis

    Whenever you hear McCain or any Republican, say something "isn't good for the American people", you can damn well be sure it is good for the American people and not good for McCain's people, the MICs.

    Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

    by howd on Thu Mar 07, 2013 at 12:01:29 PM PST

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