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Yes I am a dyed in the wool liberal and proud of it. While I vote democratic, it is not due to any party allegiance but rather because their policies are closer to my thoughts than the Republicans, who are bat shit crazy anyway and un-American, but I digress.

I do not universally support the democratic party because many of the elected officials are in the bag to the same corporate masters as the Republicans. Not until we take the $$$ out of politics will we begin to get representatives of the people.

Hell, look at the current gun debate, with 92% of Americans favoring universal registration it seems like a tough nut to crack, aaamazing.

So it appears to me that we actually need a new liberal party with real progressives who speak their minds like the venerable Senator from Vermont Bernie Sanders.

In my fantasy world here would be the platform that every candidate would have to sign onto and agree with in order to get party support (BTW - I would prefer to see the Democratic Party do this but that will never happen).

1. No donations, corporate or personal over $1,000

2. No bundeling, all donations must be direct

3. No affiliation with any Super Pacs

4. Elected officials and their staff's will not meet with advocates of any particular group or affiliated group more than once a month

5. Elected officials and their staff's will not accept recommended language or drafts of legislation from lobbyists

6. Candidates for the house will agree to a 5 term limit

7. Candidates for Senate will agree to a 3 term limit

8. Candidates will agree to a moratorium on going to work for any corporation they oversaw by committee for a period to 7 years after leaving office

9. Candidates will agree to a moratorium on lobbying any government elected official or their staff's for a period of 7 years after leaving office

Now any of the current parties could adopt some or all of this anytime they want but that is not likely. It is time for a peoples party, Americas party

Poll

Would You Support America's Party?

55%15 votes
33%9 votes
11%3 votes

| 27 votes | Vote | Results

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Comment Preferences

  •  How does a new party help to elect (8+ / 0-)
    More and better Democrats
    ?

    If you read the TOS, that's why we're here.

    Please feel free to organize your own party on your own website.

  •  I would prefer to improve democracy. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    avsp, trumpeter, boophus

    And this site is for more and Democrats. End of story.

    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:33:08 AM PST

  •  While I think the country would benefit immensely (1+ / 0-)
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    trumpeter

    from a strong third party, dKos is not the place to propose such ideas. This is strictly a Democratic blog, and promoting third parties here can earn you a lot of donuts, even get you banned. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's how it works...

    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:34:41 AM PST

  •  Unless you've got... (5+ / 0-)

    ...some secret plan for this new party to win elections, I'm inclined to vote "no".

  •  If You Don't Have Enough People to Take Over (6+ / 0-)

    the Democratic Party, how can you make a 3rd party that will be able to beat both Republicans and Democrats?

    Even the billionaire-backed rightwingers wouldn't risk splitting the vote on their side between 2 parties back in the 60's and 70's. That's why they chose to take over the Republicans instead.

    All we need to do is find candidates, or become candidates ourselves if we can, run under the Democratic Party but as liberals. It's much easier than going it almost alone.

    And as others are saying, this site is strictly about the Democratic Party so if you do much 3rd party advocating here you may get banned.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 11:51:50 AM PST

    •  I Agree but.......... (0+ / 0-)

      How do you get the party to truly support progressives but cut off Blue Dogs

      •  If you don't like the party's candidates (1+ / 0-)
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        lazybum

        may I suggest you become active at your local level and work your way up to a power position  in the party where you might be able to exert influence.  Complaining on a blog  won't elect anyone.  

    •  that's a pretty good point (2+ / 0-)
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      isabelle hayes, PhilK

      taking over the party is probably the most efficient way to create change.

      As for the argument about this being a site to elect Democrats, I think it's how you define what a Democrat is. Anybody at all who's on the Democratic ticket? Or someone who subscribes to the ideals at the core of being a Democrat (using the 2008 party platform)?

      I'm not in favor of making the party into a "voucher program". That's a reference to Medicare, and how certain people want it to be such a program and how others can't grasp that, even though it might still be called "Medicare", it's not really Medicare! Similarly, I'm not going to get on board with right-of-center policies just because "Democrats" in office push them.

      I mean, just what is a "Democrat" now?

  •  Ralph, is that you? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Can you call yourself a real liberal if you aren't reading driftglass?

    by CJB on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:11:34 PM PST

  •  This idea is DOOOOOOOOMED (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr Robert, Lying eyes

    because "America Party" just sounds so stupid.

    I know stupid sells like hotcakes in America but, um.......no.

    Sorry.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:13:35 PM PST

  •  If you're gonna organize a more progressive party (4+ / 0-)
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    Shahryar, trumpeter, roberb7, Ahianne

    ...why not start with an existing semi-progressive party that already has ballot access in every state? Hint, the name of this party starts with a D.

    •  I agree with you there (0+ / 0-)

      My idea is to not start a new party but start a new union.  A Union of Unaffiliated Workers (UUW) that will accept anyone with legal status as members.  The main goal of the union is to hold politicians accountable to workers and lobby to get the money out of politics.  I agree mostly with the authors talking points mostly, but it seems like it is more important to get one and maybe both parties to agree to change.  The union needs to have an agenda that puts liberal pressure on Congress and the Executive (President and his Cabinet).  The NRA, FreedomWorks, Norquist, all lobby to get their agenda.  They rely on corporate sponsors and give perks to politicians by helping them fund their campaigns.  I call that bribery, plain and simple.  But Congress has passed laws that make these things legal.  I think it is time to attach these "Laws", in court and in Congress to make SuperPACs and regular PACs and Congressional PACs all illegal.  The corruption that is destroying this country all centers on this one issue.  Clean that up and government will work for the people again not the corporations like it is now.  Make corporations accountable for their actions, not fines.  If CEOs get indited for murder and go to prison for life, that will quick.y clean up the corporate corruption.  We need a strong union to take on these issues and put pressure on the courts, Congress, the Attorneys General of the feds and the states and the politicians to make change to address human needs not corporate needs.  This must happen or the country is doomed, sad to say it but that is my feeling and I know many agree.  We need to organize a workers movement so the 99% have a strong voice against the 1% and the politicians that have been bought off.  I'm going to NN and I'd like to see a panel to discuss this issue.  I'll even volunteer to lead the panel.  Anyone want to push this further.  Send me a KosMail.  

      "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength", George Orwell, "1984" -7.63 -5.95

      by dangoch on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:57:36 PM PST

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  •  What about drones? (1+ / 0-)
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    bmcphail

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 12:57:23 PM PST

  •  Patience, Grasshopper. (4+ / 0-)
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    bmcphail, 420 forever, roberb7, Rizzo

    At conception, Daily Kos was all about crashing the gates. The Democrats (who were conveniently out of power at the time) were seen by the site's founder as the vehicle for that there gate crashing.

    With Team Blue in the White House, the GOS has morphed from crashing the gates into holding the gate open for just about any clown who slaps a (D) after his/her name. (That is, presuming they survive their progressive primary challenge. Leading up to the primary a DINO is a DINO, but after they win, all the DINO's pug ugliness magically disappears.)

    But hang in there. Daily Kos is a great tool for activist organization outside of the electoral sphere. In terms of elections, we're still very much locked into the failed LOTE model, which, over the past 30 some years, has exacerbated the problems the nation faces now. SOME day we Democrats will find the courage to just rip off the fucking scab and let the toxins bleed out, no matter how painful the process in the short term.

    Site opinion is evolving. For example, there's a growing consensus that the TBTFs should have been broken up, no matter what havoc that may have unleashed into the nation's economy for a while. The majority of us recognize that putting off the near term pain just ensured greater and longer lasting pain down the road.

    So too with this blind support of the Democratic party. SOME day we'll find the courage to vote policy over politics (even if that means promoting a third party), recognizing and accepting that this may lead to a period of time with the Republicans in power. There is a (slowly) growing view here that it's time (way past time) to make the Republicans take responsibility for Republican policies.

    In the meantime, wear your donuts with pride - you're ahead of the curve.

    Don't tell me what you believe; show me the excuses you make for Barack Obama, and I will tell you what you believe.

    by WisePiper on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 01:17:43 PM PST

  •  How about just doing the hard work of persuading (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    lazybum

    ...others to vote our way? How about understanding that people poll one way and either do not vote, or vote differently than they poll?

    Even with a third party there is no substitute for doing the hard ground level work. There was a moment back in the latter part of 2011 when it might have been possible to get people to think about something different, but there was no connection made to the poor, or working and middle class people.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 at 01:58:48 PM PST

  •  You've hit this website's third rail (0+ / 0-)

    As much as I'd like to see a progressive third party become a major political party in this country, the whole purpose of this website is to co-opt the progressive movement into the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is a center-left party and not a center or center-right party, so there is no need to start a major, left-wing third party in this country, as a matter of fact, the Blue Dog wing of the Democratic Party, which is the primary reason why the Democratic brand is not as strong as it could be, is slowly dying out.

    Friend of the Wisconsin Uprising from East Central Illinois! IL-15

    by DownstateDemocrat on Sat Mar 09, 2013 at 03:37:36 AM PST

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