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U.S. President George W. Bush (R) and his brother, Florida Governor Jeb Bush, REUTERS/Jim Young
Jeb hopes we've all forgotten by now how much his brother sucked that one time for eight years.
Okay, Jeb, you just keep telling yourself this, as you decide whether America is ready for yet another Bush in the White House:
“I don’t think there’s any Bush baggage at all. I love my brother. I’m proud of his accomplishments. I love my dad. I’m proud to be a Bush and if I run for president it’s not because of something in my DNA that compels me to do it,” Bush said on “Fox News Sunday” after host Chris Wallace cited a poll showing the former president with a 49 percent unfavorable rating.
This comes on the heels of Bush's attempt to channel another Republican loser, Mitt Romney, as he flip-flopped all over himself on immigration reform. It was just around the time of last year's Republican National Convention when Jeb first tried to rehabilitate his brother's reputation by insisting that President Barack Obama needs a spanking for saying mean things about his brother George. And yet, somehow, that was not quite persuasive enough, since as far as the party was concerned, Republicans had never even heard of the guy, let alone elected him president twice. (Well, okay, once.)

But then, after Romney humiliated himself and his party with that shellshocking defeat he suffered in November, a few conservatives crept out of the shadows to fondly remember Dubya because at least he wasn't as bad as Romney, so who knows? Maybe if Republicans can sustain their loser record through a few more elections, Dubya will look good enough in retrospect that Jeb might have a chance after all.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:15 AM PDT.

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  •  Note to Jeb: (31+ / 0-)

    The Bush Baggage goes all the way back to your grandpa Prescott. Also, when people refer to you as "the smart one," it's only in comparison to your dim-witted older brother, so take it with a grain of salt...

    You might be a Republican if you think that intentionally sabotaging the economy for four years is an election strategy instead of treason.

    by Constant Comment on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:11:05 AM PDT

    •  CC - well Jeb was Phi Beta Kappa (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Heart of the Rockies, Quicklund

      at the University of Texas, Austin and completed his BA in under three years. Hi probably is the smart one.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:30:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Grandpa Prescott (7+ / 0-)

      The federal govt had to freeze his company's US bank accounts in 1942 because they refused to stop funding Hitler's war machinery, EVEN AFTER the US and Nazi Germany were officially at war. This is why his son George HW Bush had to fight in the Pacific, because they weren't 100% sure about his loyalty (although he did prove his loyalty admirably). And after the war was over, Prescott got elected Senator because IOKIYAR.

      •  Wasn't Prescott also one of those involved (0+ / 0-)

        ... in planning an actual military coup to oust FDR?

        That is, an actual Republican-led corporatist coup to force out the elected President of the United States ... only 80 years ago ... within living memory?

        A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.
        But again,  IOKIYAR.
    •  Umm...His father was pretty smart, too. (0+ / 0-)

      Whatever you think of the elder Bush, Operation Desert Storm put some pretty brilliant diplomacy on display.  He formed a coalition to fight Iraq that included a number of its Arab neighbors.

      His biggest failure in that operation was keeping to his word by not pushing on to Baghdad and taking out Hussein.

      And that might be defensible, too -- given the value he placed on the assembled coalition.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:46:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  What made Bush the Worst President In History was (0+ / 0-)

      that he was a successful Republican. Thanks to his deft maneuvering against Osama bin Laden that led to 911, he was able to carry out the Republican Dream.

      The value of Jeb Bush's name is that we will be able to remind the voters that the Republican agenda is the Cheney-Bush agenda and some things never change. It doesn't matter how smart Jeb is. He's a Republican.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:28:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Bush I - Shitty president. Bush II - Shittiest (0+ / 0-)

      president. Bush III - Ain't gonna happen.

      Welcome To The Disinformation Age!

      by kitebro on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:28:35 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Jeb: "At least I'm not Sarah Palin's brother." (2+ / 0-)
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      Penny GC, dagnome

      OK, Jeb didn't really say that.  But he should have.

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      by MJB on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:43:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  There very fact that this question is brought up (0+ / 0-)

      ... at all ... and that Jeb feels compelled to respond to it and deny it so completely ...

      “I don’t think there’s any Bush baggage at all. I love my brother. I’m proud of his accomplishments.
      ... proves that there is Bush baggage ... and Jeb darn well knows it.
    •  Jeb Bush = Cheney= Rumsfeld = PNAC = NeoCon (1+ / 0-)
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      magicsister

      Jeb is one of the original signers of the documents citing the tenets of the Project for a New American Century.  Remember them?    Look for his name at the bottom of the original "Principles" document discussing why America should run the world.

      http://www.newamericancentury.org/...

      They are/were the original neo-cons who repeatedly tried to get Clinton to invade Iraq, and when he didn't they went after Clinton and put up Jeb's brother GW Bush for pres.  The Iraq invasion was a goal of theirs since the 1990's.  

      Jeb Bush is totally connected with the war criminals - Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice and GWB.  Why do you think these guys don't travel overseas?  They could be arrested by the international court for war crimes.  

      Read up folks - this crowd made up half the Bush administration, and made millions prsonally ff the wars they started which bankrupted all of us....  

      Read up - learn what went on...

  •  We don't need another horror flick sequel (14+ / 0-)

    I can see it now:  Shrub II: The Disaster Begins Anew!

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:12:27 AM PDT

    •  Third time's the charm? (0+ / 0-)

      "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

      by TofG on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:20:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I say good luck against HRC. Jeb must want to (3+ / 0-)
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      vjcalaska, shoeless, bewareofme

      be beat up by a girl.

      Republicans only care about themselves, their money, & their power.

      by jdmorg on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:28:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  HRC will be a non-factor, even if she runs. (0+ / 0-)

        She'll be old, a la McClain, she'll be old-hat a la Adlai Stevenson, and, unless the administration starts doing a better job on the economy, open to something new.

        And there's this:

        In the nearly 70 years since FDR's last election, the only time either party has held on to the White House for 3 consecutive terms was 1980-92, with Reagan/Bush.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:50:49 AM PDT

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        •  Adlai Stevenson was only 52 and 56 when he (0+ / 0-)

          ran for President, after being nominated twice by the Democrats in the 50s.   Reagan was 70 when he was first elected.

          I not only think Hillary would be a good president, she is leading in the polls against every opponent right now. Plus, the Republicans have NO one.   Maybe Christie, but they won't want to nominate him because he's too liberal for them.  The rest of the field has the caliber of the Three Stooges.

          •  I should specify his second run. (0+ / 0-)

            By which time he wasn't old, but was old hat, ie, yesterday's news.

            Reagan was 70 when first elected, but two things come to mind:

            1) Will HRC at 69 seem anywhere as vital as Reagan at 70?
            2) Will Reagan's later decline into dementia haunt HRC?  John McCain was very robust and healthy at 72, but voters worried about his age.  We've already seen Hillary suffer from a blood clot in her brain, but, somehow, "not a stroke".

            I have a lousy track record, so what I think shouldn't carry any weight, but I think she's toast.  She might run, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if she took a pass.  She's already run once and lost in the primaries.  That's a lot of work and a lot of wear and tear.  Some folks seem to stay energetic to the very end.  Will she?

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 01:13:20 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Sure, Stevenson lost to (0+ / 0-)

              an incumbent President war hero.  He still probably could have taken Nixon.

              I'm not convinced Hillary will run; but if she does, she wins.  Jeb, for his obvious faults, might be the only person they have with Presidential stature.  He's not a spring chicken himself, and will have been out of office for more than a decade.

              Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

              by Loge on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 02:05:29 PM PDT

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            •  I guess there is no way of knowing, (0+ / 0-)

              but Nancy Pelosi is over 70 and I can't imagine anyone suggesting that she isn't sharp as a tack.

              I somehow get the feeling that you weren't alive when Reagan was President or you would know that he was senile when we elected him the first time. They would stand him in front of a teleprompter and he would "read his lines." I guess he thought he was still on "Death Valley Days," (an early TV show) selling Borax.   When left to his own devices, he wandered off into telling little folksie "stories" that he repeated over and over.      The Press compensated for him by extolling every breath he took and saying "Let Reagan be Reagan," which apparently meant -"don't expect too much folks."

              •  She's not running for President. (0+ / 0-)

                She's a long time representative in a district that's gotten to know her over very many years.

                Incumbents usually win in Congress.

                Parties usually lose the White House after two terms.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 03:56:23 PM PDT

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  •  dear everybody.... (2+ / 0-)
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    please go and read Jeb Bush's wikipedia.
    Very important to know him as opposed to thinking of his brother.

  •  I dunno - I guess you really can't (11+ / 0-)

    shake off The Family

    Especially a major crime family like the Bushes - for better or worse, you're kinda stuck with them and have to make the best of it.

  •  And we are all crack addicts....so he said and (7+ / 0-)

    he is a chip off the shrubs.   No way would I ever admit being proud to being a Bush.   As Jessie Jackson said..

    STAY OUT OF THE BUSHES !!!!
    then again, what is he supposed to say, I am proud to be the brother of a war criminal who had a sociapathetic administration.  I just love My Daddy who my brother killed for and my Mom, who is a real piece of work.   I would have hung my head and said nothing.

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    by Vetwife on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:25:06 AM PDT

  •  uh. 2nd worst. Think Martin Van Buren ranked 1st (2+ / 0-)
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    theKgirls, DuzT

    for worst.......

    •  Here's the list I like the best (4+ / 0-)

      Salon's. I think it's pretty well-considered.

      They're not a serious party anymore. -Kos

      by thenekkidtruth on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:39:51 AM PDT

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    •  buchanan (6+ / 0-)

      and pierce. in fact, the presidents who bracketed lincoln all were a sorry lot.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:19:10 AM PDT

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      •  Andrew Johnson was a throwback (2+ / 0-)
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        Laurence Lewis, dinotrac

        To the pre-Lincoln, Southern sympathizer crew.  Pierce, Buchanan, A. Johnson, Harding, and GW Bush round out the bottom 5, in any order.  Grant was a good dude, but he was at best extremely negligent as President.  

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:24:21 AM PDT

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        •  grant was a great general (2+ / 0-)
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          orlbucfan, Brooke In Seattle

          and a good family man, but a drunk and a failure at everything he did before and after the war. coolidge and hoover also get special props.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:27:13 AM PDT

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          •  Not correct about Grant being a "drunk". Liquor (2+ / 0-)
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            Quicklund, dinotrac

            did easily effect him but he only drank when idle and alone or, especially, far from his wife and family. The rumors of his drinking were way exaggerated by political enemies.

            As far as president 1) he was personally honest 2) he kept reconstruction going and helped free blacks. It was only after his terms in office persecution of blacks began in full bloom. Grant also helped Elizabeth van Lew, n important union spy in Richmond:
            ===============
            She was now labeled a spy—a term she thought cruel and unfair. “I do not know how they can call me a spy serving my own country within its recognized borders… [for] my loyalty am I now to be branded as a spy—by my own country, for which I was willing to lay down my life? Is that honorable or honest? God knows.”

            Her fellow Richmonders couldn’t forgive her. She wrote, “[I am] held in contempt & scorn by the narrow minded men and women of my city for my loyalty … Socially living as utterly alone in the city of my birth, as if I spoke a different language.”

            Her difficulties slightly improved after Grant became president in 1869 and appointed her postmaster of Richmond, a position she held for eight years. But when Rutherford B. Hayes took office as president, Van Lew lost her job and had almost no one to turn to for help.

            Desperate, Van Lew, who was now in her 70s, contacted the family of Paul Revere, one of the Union officers she’d helped during the war and grandson of the famous Paul Revere. The family, along with other wealthy people in Boston whom Van Lew had helped during the war, regularly gave her money.

            Van Lew survived on that income until she died at her home, still an outcast, in 1900.
            ================

            "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

            by TofG on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:37:14 AM PDT

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            •  his presidency was a disaster (2+ / 0-)
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              Loge, Brooke In Seattle

              maybe the most corrupt until harding. not wholly bad- few are- but terrible.

              he was a decent man, and genuinely cared about racism, but he was away from his wife and family quite a bit...

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:42:39 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  This is probably the first time (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Laurence Lewis

                that I've ever seen allegations of drinking alone or drinking to handle boredom used to refute accusations of alcoholism.

                I'd like to read his memoirs; they're supposed to be fascinating and very candid.

                Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

                by Loge on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:25:24 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  and he wrote them (0+ / 0-)

                  while he was dying, because he once again had blown his fortune, and wanted to provide for his family. and it succeeded- they sold well, made a lot of money, and he left his family in financial comfort.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:34:12 AM PDT

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            •  True about Grant's reputation as a drunk. (0+ / 0-)

              I suspect some jealous generals had a hand in passing that one around.  Grant was an extremely capable and ethical general.

              That might have hurt him as President.  His administration was rife with corruption, something a personally honest man can have trouble comprehending.

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              by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:54:02 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  There can't be a bottom five (0+ / 0-)

          without Jimmy Carter.  Worst president of the 20th century, and that was the century that had Richard Nixon and Herbert Hoover.  Wow.

          •  How was Carter worst 5? He brokered Israeli-Egypt (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Loge, earthling1

            Peace pact, advocated alternate energy (remember the White House solar panels Saint Ronnie had removed).

            "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

            by TofG on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:43:35 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I did overlook Nixon, probably worse than Harding (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              dfe

              but I comfortably rank Carter ahead of both Adamses, Van Buren, both Harrisons, Tyler, Taylor, Fillmore, McKinley, Taft, Coolidge, Hoover, Reagan, First Bush, and everyone else mentioned.  

              Wilson, Polk, and Andrew Jackson, are complicated in that they both did a lot of good and a lot of bad. They were certainly consequential.

              I included Harding because he combined personal corruption with a lack of intellect and an ideology that set the course that Coolidge continued and from which Hoover did not deviate significantly enough.  Hoover, like Grant, was a great man but a terrible President.

              Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

              by Loge on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:52:45 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  And Deregulated Air Travel (0+ / 0-)

              The gift that keeps on giving. And can't forget how he forbid US athletes from going to the Olympics in 1980 - the only time we didn't attend.

              I don't think he in the bottome 5 as we have have had some truly terrible Presidents. The Egyption Israeli Peace accords were significant, although he may have just been President at the right time as Begin and Sadat were two amazing men who ended up paying with their lives for their wellness to put aside hatred.

              I am comfortable though putting Carter somewhere in the bottom quarter. He certainly ranks above Hover, Nixon, and Bush 2. A serious case can be made that Bush 2 was the worst President ever.

      •  And Pierce (a horrible president) (6+ / 0-)

        is a distant cousin of Barbara Pierce Bush.

        Gah!

        In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

        by vcmvo2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:25:28 AM PDT

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    •  Van Buren? Why? (3+ / 0-)
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      Gentle Giant, dfe, Loge

      He presided over a horrible crash, but I don't know why else he'd be considered the worst ever.

      Maybe you mean Buchanan, who passively watched as the Southern States left for the Confederacy. He also pushed for Congress to accept Kansas's notorious pro-slaverly Lecompton Constitution. In fact, despite being from Pennsylvania, he was pro-slavery throughout his term.

      Buchanan was so bad that despite him almost certainly being our only gay president, no gay organization ever claims him.

      "Because Romney's a clown . . ."--Henry Francis

      by LeftCoastTimm on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:33:56 AM PDT

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  •  "I don't think there's any Bush baggage at all." (12+ / 0-)

    Republicans represent both sides: the insanely rich and vice versa.

    by Crashing Vor on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:53:58 AM PDT

  •  the questions that will destroy jeb: (13+ / 0-)

    we know that you love your brother, but in what ways would you have governed differently, if you had been president in those years? in what ways would you govern differently if you became president?

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 09:15:05 AM PDT

    •  Romney had no answer to that, (5+ / 0-)

      Jeb's hopeless.  The sorry thing is, we know they won't ever align themselves with their dad, and he was perfectly mediocre.

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:26:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  relatively speaking (3+ / 0-)

        poppy was a lousy president, he just wasn't as bad as his predecessor or son.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:28:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I don't expect Bush 41 to be praised here (0+ / 0-)

          But he did oversee the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR and that once unimaginable scenario passed with virtually no loss of life. He also assembled an amazing international coalition to throw Iraq out of Kuwait in the Gulf War. His decision to not invade Iraq proper turned out to be far-seeing, though it was terrificly unpopular at the time.

          He was actually a rather competent President who was backstabbed by the right after he broke his "read my lips no new taxes" promise.

          •  he had nothing to do with the fall of the wall (3+ / 0-)

            he was just there when it happened. as for iraq and kuwait, i'm still not sure what that war was supposed to have accomplished, other than protecting the royal families of kuwait and saudi arabia. bush also duped a lot of iraqis into believing he would support their rising against saddam, and a lot paid for it with their lives.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:05:35 AM PDT

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            •  He was there when it happened (0+ / 0-)

              And the process was managed superbly.

              Kuwait was about de-legitimizing land acquisition through conquest. That much should be rather obvious.

              Give credit where credit is due.

              •  there was nothing to manage (0+ / 0-)

                he was just in the right place at the right moment. and i'm not sure what kuwait was about. other than oil. bush supported plenty of land acquisitions through conquest, in his career.

                The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 08:26:09 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Riiiight (0+ / 0-)

                  Nothing at all going on during the collapse of the most heavily-armed standoff in human history. Nothing possibly could have gone wrong.

                  Or as Republicans like to say, "Any President would have done that same." And we all know how unbiased clear thinkers they are.

          •  Well..."Goodfella's" was made while he was (0+ / 0-)

            president, as well. And he had nothing to do with that, either.

            Welcome To The Disinformation Age!

            by kitebro on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:53:37 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  See (0+ / 0-)

              The leader of the most opowerful nation on Earth had nothing to do with the smooth and peaceful end to the Cold War. Gotcha.

              As I said in my original title: I don't expect Bush 41 to be praised here. No surprises.

        •  I agree completely (3+ / 0-)

          but he was a lot better than he could have been for a dim-witted Republican, see his predecessor.  His role in the gulf war and the response to the Soviet collapse is overstated, unless he's also Helmut Kohl in disguise; his military successes in the gulf and Panama didn't really do all that much long term; he was weak re China and a bully re Latin America and drugs; and he set Clinton up to fail in Somalia.  Domestically, he presided over a recession to which he was slow to act, and the causes of which were rooted in the prior administration's policy where he was VP.  Unlike Ford, the pardons in Iran-Cntra served no healing purpose, even arguably.  He put Thomas on the bench.  However, he didn't adhere to party orthodoxy on taxes appointed Souter, and signed Democratic environmental and educational bills and the Americans with Disabilities Act.  It wasn't hard to think of things he did right, whereas it is with Reagan and it's impossible with Bush II.  I think he deserves credit largely for seeing himself as a caretaker, and therefore small-c conservative, versus a reformer.

          Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

          by Loge on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:05:26 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  re china (2+ / 0-)
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            Loge, Brooke In Seattle

            he effectively exonerated them for tienanmen. and souter was a mistake- a cipher, who had the approval of sununu. had bush known what souter would be, he'd never have appointed him. the pardons were reprehensible, and possibly self-serving, as lawrence walsh indicated bush himself may have been implicated.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:09:24 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Without question, (1+ / 0-)
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              we caught a break on that one.  And the reason he's below-average is he was caretaker of the changes put in place by Reagan.  He's unfortunately remembered as the avuncular Morning in America guy, but the country at the time was in the middle of AIDS, the farm crisis, the S&Ls, the breakdown of traditional manufacturing, and ensuing crime and drugs explosions, and the popular villain was, of course, Japan.  Nevertheless, Bush also accepted in principle a role of government in the economy to address injustices, either that or he wasn't up to fighting George Mitchell.

              The worst think about Bush might have been how nasty he was as a campaigner, using race and the military as wedge issues.

              Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

              by Loge on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:21:41 AM PDT

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        •  He was a mixed bag (0+ / 0-)

          On the plus side he didn't mire us in the Middle East, he signed the American Disabilities Act, renewed The Clean Air Act, Appointed Souter, took out Noreiga allowing Panama to become a functionng Democracy and wasn't afraid to raise taxes. On the negative side he gave us Thomas and set us on the road to NAFTA and there is a real question as to whether we should have stuck our noses in the Iraq/Kuwait land dispute in the first place. Mostly he just had a shitty elitist public persona. Overall his entire record of service to the US is impressive.

  •  It's Pronounced BooShay nt (1+ / 0-)
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    viral

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:16:09 AM PDT

  •  To be fair he is only the worst 2 term President! (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    vcmvo2, HarryParatestis, Loge

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:17:38 AM PDT

  •  Jeb likes being a shrub? (0+ / 0-)

    "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

    by TofG on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:19:16 AM PDT

  •  If you think the Bush name has no baggage, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bewareofme, dagnome

    ...you're probably a Bush yourself. Jeb can try to blow smoke up America's butt as much he likes, but I for one am not buying his BS.

    •  There were two Bush's elected President. (0+ / 0-)

      The first one was pretty gifted at international affairs.

      If Jeb really wants to run for the White House, and I'm skeptical of his ability to get there, his best bet might be a "the world's a scary place and I'm your best bet for making it a little friendlier" plus "My experience as Governor of Florida means I've got my Dad's foreign policy chops, PLUS a Mexican wife and handsome latino son so I can't possibly hate Mexicans, AND a grasp of domestic policy needs."

      It'll be 8 years since W left office.
      Maybe that's enough.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:58:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  There will NEVER be "enough" time to forget Dubya (0+ / 0-)
        It'll be 8 years since W left office.
        Maybe that's enough.
        or forgive him, either...

        Worst. President. EVER.

        Help American return to sanity - vote the GOP OUT OF the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate in 2014 elections. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward!

        by dagnome on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 05:11:49 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  He will be sorry if he does this (4+ / 0-)

    if he has any aim in mind other than revitalizing the Democratic party by providing a Republican candidate so heinous that it will once again quell legitimate criticisms of the Democratic party even after the Democratic party destroys the last of its political capital with the majority of this country through job cuts, benefit cuts, and other cuts, all in the supposed service of the deficit monster coming to get us all.

    A Jeb Bush candidacy is the clearest path toward a Democratic victory in 2016. Always assuming he doesn't try to steal the vote like his brother did. And if he does that, under these economic circumstances and after everything that's happened, there will be at the very least riots in the streets, and at most a revolution.

    Gov. Bush, you seriously don't want to go there, unless of course the Green party is right, and all of y'all are actually working together, and you want the Democrats to win. Because that's all your going to accomplish with this crappy move.

    if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:25:17 AM PDT

  •  There is nothing wrong with being (1+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund

    There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's family.  There's a gazillion issues we can argue about Jeb Bush.  

    Let's not create one with "proud to be a Bush".

    There are real issues at stake and that have nothing to do with George.  Jeb's record is ripe for the picking all on its own.  

    •  Its relevant. Michael Corleone.... (0+ / 0-)

      also promised to lead a different life, but once you're a member of a family crime syndicate, its impossible to get out.

      Jeb Bush is a mid-level manager at some flunky tech firm without daddy's connections and his brother's policy team.

      •  No, it's irrelevant (0+ / 0-)

        There's enough to pick apart in Jeb's own record.  

        Michael Corleone also promised to lead a different life, but once you're a member of a family crime syndicate, its impossible to get out.
        Good luck with this campaign strategy.  
        Jeb Bush is a mid-level manager at some flunky tech firm without daddy's connections and his brother's policy team.
        This same line of thinking was tried with his brother.  How did that work out?  

        By the way, Jeb is also a twice elected governor of a swing state.  Start there and not with "The Godfather" fantasies.  

  •  Honestly, what else could Jeb say? Big "W" & (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Gentle Giant, earthling1

    Little "W" and god forbid Dick Cheney and Condi would never speak to him again.  So he has to tow the RW line of bullshit, because nothing else will do for this country except have Bush fix it.  Then his son will run, they 1 or both of Little "W"s twins will throw their hats in the ring.  And we will go on and on and on with the Bushes Bunch running our country.
    I say, break the cycle of abuse now.

    Republicans only care about themselves, their money, & their power.

    by jdmorg on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:27:10 AM PDT

  •  I keep thinking... (1+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40

    These front page retreads are what I originally read an hour or so ago...

    Confusing...

    "Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
    I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
    ~John F. Kennedy~

    -7.5,-5.8

    by Oldestsonofasailor on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:28:12 AM PDT

  •  Can you imagine?? (3+ / 0-)
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    orlbucfan, BenderRodriguez, Quicklund

    Jeb making his nominating speech at the RNC with Dubya sitting onstage with a bag over his head?

  •  Well, Jeb was promised the presidency and he's (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    orlbucfan, Gentle Giant

    not getting any younger, so I guess we just have to live with the fact that he's our man.

    "To recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government." Historian Barbara Tuchman

    by Publius2008 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:29:47 AM PDT

  •  He's running. Imagine if Billy Carter (bubba beer) (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Gentle Giant

    had been President before Jimmy ran.

    Game over.  Some modest hope of being a veep candidate, and that's all.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:30:33 AM PDT

  •  Jeb's proud to be a Bush. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Quicklund

    Others may be proud to be pansies, petunias, lilies, pines, elms, oaks or cedars.

    I'm proud to be a pricker.

    Pride goeth before a fall, but prickers thrive all summer long.

    I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

    by Gentle Giant on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:30:56 AM PDT

  •  Bush was not the worst president in history (0+ / 0-)

    Or even in my lifetime.  There were a lot of bad ones in the 1800's.  And, never forget, if Jimmy Carter wasn't sooooo bad, Reagan might never have happened.  I will have to live a long time to find one worse than Carter.  Good man, but a horrible president.

    •  Whoa, pardner. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      earthling1, dfe, Brooke In Seattle

      I'm 45. Yes, Jimmy Carter was a lousy president, perhaps the second-worst in my lifetime.

      But his presidency was a towering achievement of incredible greatness next to the eight years we endured under GWB.

      Both were in way over their heads, but at least Carter was always a decent, honorable human. Bush was a prick with a nasty agenda, and I can't imagine I was the only one who breathed a deep sigh of relief on Jan. 20, 2009.

      That said, I kinda liked his paintings.

      How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

      by BenderRodriguez on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:44:55 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •   ? (6+ / 0-)

      Carter didn't bask in triumph, but he did a lot of sensible things and was blamed for things not his doing.  Won't rehash it all here (someone more knowledgeable could, and certainly has, but it's just odd to read that comment (especially on dkos, where folks usually know better).

    •  Yes, Carter would probably be a wonderful (0+ / 0-)

      fellow as a next door neighbor, but his term as president was less than stellar.

      The wisdom of my forebears ... Two wise people will never agree. Man begins in dust and ends in dust — meanwhile it's good to drink some vodka. A man studies until he's seventy and dies a fool.

      by Not A Bot on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:52:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not even close (4+ / 0-)

      President Carter was indeed a poor POTUS but at worst the nation spun its wheels under him. Bush 43 installed a 6-speed reverse transmission and floored it backwards for 8 solid years.

      •  Let's be real here (1+ / 0-)
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        Penny GC

        George W. Bush and his cadre of ghouls collapsed the entire world economy! Funny how the corporate media always portray it as only a local phenomena.
          Personally, I belive this collapse was planned and designed to bring about a "New World Order", with the intent of carefully pushing the blame on the future Demo POTUS.
          They simply screwed up the timing.
          If this is a little hard to swallow, then consider why they (GOP) continue to sabotage anything and everything?

        The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

        by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:31:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Addendum to your title: (2+ / 0-)
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    cactusgal, Brooke In Seattle

    So he can have access to Poppy's money and connections and Dubya's money and connections when he runs for pretzeldent in 2013 and 2014 and 2015 and 2016.

    What with Jeb and Rubio and Ayn Rand Paul, it's going to be a looooooong four years.

    Life is extremely cheap to the right-wing until a decision about it is either in the hands of a pregnant women or a Democratic president. -- Lia Matera

    by Mnemosyne on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:36:36 AM PDT

  •  If America does elect another Bush (6+ / 0-)

    people around the world will have three reactions: 1) double over laughing; 2) sell all their financial holdings; or 3) head for a fallout shelter. Or some combination of the three (though laughing and digging a bunker is hard to do at the same time).

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:36:43 AM PDT

    •  Ugly Americans (0+ / 0-)

      Now add STUPID.
       The Bush regime collapsed the world economy. People around the world are really angry at the people responsible for it.  
        No, not Bush or his puppetmasters, but the American people themselves, for electing him to office.

      The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

      by earthling1 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:49:50 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Baggage (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cactusgal, dfe

    Know you are in denial, Jeb, but sorry, your family dynasty now has so much baggage that there are not enough airlines (aka Fox Noise propaganda outlets)  to lose all that Bush luggage.  

    Protect children-- not guns.

    by rlharry on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:37:17 AM PDT

  •  I thought the FL Bush disappeared in a sinkhole? (0+ / 0-)

    RIP Jeff Bush.

  •  You can really start worrying if Cheney heads the (2+ / 0-)

    vice president selection committee.

    "They will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip."

    by TofG on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:41:15 AM PDT

  •  Worst President in history? (0+ / 0-)

    Not even close.

    In a history that's given us Warren G. Harding, U.S. Grant, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Franklin Piercee, Herbert Hoover, and Richard Nixon, even W. Starts to look OK.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:44:07 AM PDT

  •  My favorite Bush quote: (6+ / 0-)
    Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
    He certainly succeeded at that.
  •  I'm no Bush fan (0+ / 0-)

    ...But, I find all this guilt as a function of DNA pretty petty and shrill. Love him or hate him on his own merits or faults, rather than ragging on him because of his parents or siblings. No doubt you'd all think otherwise were he a staunch progressive; his family would surely not matter in that case.

    Will it hurt him if he runs? No doubt. Is he to blame for his brother's shitty presidency? Not a chance. Grow up.

    •  Ok he Oversaw the stealing of Florida (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      earthling1, Penny GC

      Although maybe he would have done it even if he wasn't a Bush, after all Katherine Harris was no relationship. But still the whole brother angle gave it a nice Banana Republic vibe.

      We can just skip past Jeb's wife arrest for smuggling expensive cloths and jewelry past customs or his daughter's arrest for forging prescriptions and go straight To Enron and his good buddy and big time donner Kenny-boy and how Florida's Pension lost a fortune from investing in Enron stock while he was Govenor and one of 3 trustees in charge of overseeing it.

  •  Look at the bright side... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cactusgal

    ...after the master of disaster's presidency, there's only one way to go but up.

    There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

    by HarryParatestis on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 10:55:17 AM PDT

  •  Make it official - please (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cactusgal, dfe, dagnome

    Not only is George W. Bush the worst president ever having killed thousands of young Americans for some unknown reason but he is a scumbag who should be charged with war crimes.

    If charged, there is no question of the dubious distinction that will be imposed upon him - so let's make it official; charge Dubya and Cheney with war crimes, treason and outing a covert operative.

  •  If by DNA he means Damnable Narcissistic Assholes (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    brook, Brooke In Seattle, earthling1

    then yes, he's got it coursing through his veins.

  •  ONLY 49% disapproval rating? (0+ / 0-)

    See, this is what's wrong with America; collective amnesia. The Bush years should have been enough to keep the baggers out of office. It wasn't. The whole Lewinski distraction should have been enough to keep Bush out in 2000. It wasn't. There's something seriously wrong with this country when all it takes is two to four years to forget how destructive the republicans are. Especially after they keep proving it every time they get elected! What is wrong with us that all we have to do is keep the GOP out for a couple years before people forget how bad they are? Do I think Jeb has a serious shot at the presidency? Sadly, yes.  

  •  While I don't mind bashing G. Bush, it's (0+ / 0-)

    important to remember that he was the Worst President In History because he was exactly what the Republicans wanted.
    They have tried to distance themselves from him but continue to propose the same old things that he promoted.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 11:23:31 AM PDT

  •  Wise guys (0+ / 0-)

    Hard to imagine that GWB is not the least intelligent of the Bush brothers, but every time Jeb opens his mouth...

  •  Please run, Jeb (0+ / 0-)

    What a feather in the cap for your mother, Barbara "Those Democrats are a sorry lot" Bush.

    She needs redemption!

    The blood on the hands of her son W, the government waste, the American loss of dignity, and the disgusting start of the new millennium would all go POOF!

    Please run, Jeb

    Cheney got retooled and is ready again to serve his country!
    Grab him (before he grabs himself again)!  

    Oh, the invasions you could lead! Oh, the tax loopholes you could levy! Oh, the recessions you could create! Oh, the restrictions you could lift for oil, pharmaceuticals, and banks! Oh the destruction you could cause!

    Please run, Jeb

    Honesty is not a policy. It's a character trait.

    by Says Who on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:00:02 PM PDT

  •  If Jeb has (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    newdem1960

    If Jeb has all this baggage from George, how much baggage does Hillary have from Bill?

    Let's not forget, Hillary's 2008 campaign was all about her "White House" experience.  Sorry, Secretary of State may carry it's prestige, but no one will ride that into the White House.  

    So, let's go back 20 years and find out how Hillary felt about about Graham-Bliley, NAFTA, DOMA, increasing how much SS could be taxed, The Telecommunications Act, and so on.  

    Should Hillary have to answer for all that or do we just confine it to those with the Bush name?  

    Be careful the campaign strategy you wish for.  When the poo-poo hits the fan, it could go in all directions.  

  •  Just how far out of touch do they need (0+ / 0-)

    to be before they actually reach back around to reason, or does cluelessness stretch out to infinity?

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 12:39:45 PM PDT

  •  Bush pride (0+ / 0-)

    I noticed that Jeb Bush is so proud of "My brother" that he never seems to mention his name.

  •  I'll tell you what you like Jeb (0+ / 0-)

    reserved seats at the Hague,one way tickets to Europe for the whole family and a coupon good for a free rendition to a third world country for a weekend of enhanced interrogation.

    Leveraged buyouts don't work on nations - me

  •  The third time it's enemy action (0+ / 0-)

    I've toyed with bailing on the US in favor of...well, I have a list. If a third Bush comes to the presidency by ANY means, that will be it for me. Assuming we still have a largely open frontier.

  •  Bush, Penn, Castro & Chavez (0+ / 0-)

    Is it true that Sean Penn was covertly working for Bush admin to secretly pass on a disease that took form of cancerous disease?  They got sick after meeting with Penn, didn't they?

  •  if jeb has forgotten (0+ / 0-)

    about his brothers reign as napoleon complex in chief we will be more than happy to remind him.

  •  Jeb's comment= mother of all revisionist history (0+ / 0-)

    Dear John Ellis Bush:

    American has NOT forgotten the DISASTER that your feckless brother presided over during his eight-year FIASCO.

    TO paraphrase Harry Truman, "The buck stopped THERE" on George's desk, regardless of how incompetent or evil Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Condi and all the other neo cons were.

    We will not forget.

    "Remember the Maine"...
    "Remember The Alamo"...
    "Remember the eight year terror of George W. Bush. the idiot boy king from Crawford Texas who fiddled while America burned".

    Help American return to sanity - vote the GOP OUT OF the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate in 2014 elections. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward!

    by dagnome on Mon Mar 11, 2013 at 06:37:09 PM PDT

  •  Here's what I want to brand on his forehead: (0+ / 0-)

    "I love my brother. I’m proud of his accomplishments."

    Or tattoo it. Whatever works.

    Find out about my next big thing by reading my blog. Link is here: http://bettysrants.wordpress.com/2013/01/05/my-next-big-thing/

    by Kimball Cross on Tue Mar 12, 2013 at 03:52:27 PM PDT

  •  Jeb Bush will just never measure up to his brother (0+ / 0-)

    Poor Jeb. Must be sad to realize you'll never measure up to George W. Bush. How low can a guy go?

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