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Today, I decided to spend some time speaking with young people about climate change.  The science is clear:  People that are young today are going to suffer increasingly extreme consequences related to climate.  I was curious.  What do young conservatives have to say about climate change?

I approached a few and asked them to share their thoughts:

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  •  How Can Peoples' Eyes Look This Stupid? nt (8+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:22:45 PM PDT

  •  The United State of We're All Dumb Fucks (7+ / 0-)

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:45:31 PM PDT

    •  very optomistic that Hunter found one (3+ / 0-)
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      Rogneid, Dirtandiron, ybruti

      young self identified conservative at a CPAC convention, right at the very end, who was willing to accept the scientific proof of climate change and "side with the Democrats there".

      If one in a dozen or even a hundred young conservatives is actually able to "side with the Democrats" on any issue that's a foot in the door.

      Most of those interviewed made it clear that they were more than happy to accept conservative dogma over facts to the point of rationalizing that the climate getting warmer globally would be a good thing where they live, or that free market forces could solve any problem so why not this one. One young man thought differently.

      For me climate change is probably the most important issue but if one young man can cut himself free from the cult programming then I can imagine a slippery slope that makes inroads into the war on women and a woman's right to choose.

      If he can "side with Democrats on climate change", then maybe he can side with them when it comes to a woman's right to say no and not be raped, as well as her right to say yes to have an abortion, or to make it a condition that she will only take jobs that have equal pay.

      I can imagine that if he can get that far then like Portman he could experience cognative dissonance when issues of marriage equality and  gay rights hit close to home. Our polarization has cracks appearing in the glaciers and the ice is melting.

      I find that one kids response gives me hope that someday soon the lingering racism, the fears of being overwhelmed by the changes coming, the concerns over a loss of identity with the expectation that "everybody thinks like I do" the individual sense of identity fixed in a homogeneous community being undermined by allowing the immigration of people with different languages, religions, and education may disappear.

      If that can happen then when people hear corporations speaking through their politicians to insist that collective bargaining deters job providers from providing jobs, maybe they can side with the Democrats there as well.

      Maybe we can get to where the right for everyone to be treated equally at the ballot box and not to have elected officials cast aside by appointed city managers doesn't seem so scary to conservatives because their thinking has changed to where they feel they are getting back an America in which "everybody thinks like I do" and supports the mediation of climate change.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:48:39 AM PDT

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      •  The kid before the last one said it's overblown (2+ / 0-)
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        but we still have to do something about it. I was even a little cheered by that.

        I was leery clicking on this diuary. Please god, these are young people, let them not be stupid.
        They are mostly stupid.

        My college educated little (half) sister sent me some conspiracy email years ago about thew hoax of climate change, liberals were doing it to profit.
        A long complex explanation of that with many links I did not go to.

        So... two points with that. Smart, younger people can believe stupid things... and she likely thought by not fully exploring the many links she sent me I was refusing to educate myself. They think it is we who are being duped. "Their" experts tell them something else.

        And... the climate change side wants to profit? Really? All those sunshine and wind profits?

        I ask what we have to lose if this climate change is natural. What do we lose by finding cleaner, cheaper, more renewable forms of energy?

        The simplest clearest prrof of the mess is the analysis of the polar ice coress, melting rates, and the isotopes that clearly distinguish between man made and natural carbon...


      •  Hunter? (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you think Hunter made this video, did these interviews? There's others reporting from CPAC. In this case, the diarist is Mike Stark. (Mighta been smart to check who posted before giving credit.)

        Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

        by Land of Enchantment on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 05:36:57 AM PDT

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  •  I actually posted a comment earlier today (5+ / 0-)

    wondering what you've been up to and how we needed people like you to "troll" CPAC, given how it's such a target-rich environment.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:47:56 PM PDT

    •  Well, I've been meandering a bit (2+ / 0-)
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      kovie, Dirtandiron

      Spent a spell volunteering a public defender's office.

      Got a grant to launch a talk radio response team; turns out even broke and unemployed people find the psychic price of listening and responding to creeps is too high...

      Now I'm working on a Nader climate change project.  The public component of my work is, and the stuff you see me post here, at HuffPo, on YouTube, etc.

      I'm also working on a more lengthy research piece that looks into courts, judges and energy decisions.

      Was never very good at math. Oddly, though, I can count by twos if I start at the number 1.

      by Mike Stark on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 08:58:36 AM PDT

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      •  Good luck with all that (0+ / 0-)

        While many of us here are content to merely read about, get indignant over and discuss all the shit that's going down these days, I'm glad to see that some are still trying to do something about it.

        Btw, if you ever get a chance, please take down this creepazoid:

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:09:18 AM PDT

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  •  Soooooo... (18+ / 0-)

    ...demographic change ISN'T going to save us?

    I especially liked the Minnesota dumbshit guy. He wants things to warm up? Mark Seeley, Univ. of Minnesota climatologist, says:

    • Three "1,000-year floods" have occurred in our state in the last eight years — September 2004, August 2007 and September 2010, all in southeastern Minnesota. (Note that this millennial ranking excludes such other extreme events as the Duluth floods of last June.)

    • Shifts in rainfall patterns toward the extremes resulted in flood-related disaster declarations in 11 counties last summer simultaneous with drought-disaster declarations across much of the state. Such dual declarations have occurred only one other time in Minnesota history — in 2007.

    • Rising levels of water vapor in the warming atmosphere are pushing summertime dewpoints more frequently to levels typical of, say, Cancun.

    As a result, high heat-index readings and associated health warnings are being driven less by absolute temperature, more by extreme humidity. For example, the highest heat index on the entire planet for July 19, 2011, was recorded at ... Moorhead.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:11:30 PM PDT

  •  The "free market solution" (14+ / 0-)

    they talk about doesn't exist, because capitalism has no incentive save the future.

    Investing in a future that s/h won't live to enjoy makes no sense to the pure capitalist.

    But since capitalism can usually buy public opinion, democracy is poorly situated to solving the climate problem.

    I'm not an optimist (though I play one in real life).

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 10:28:20 PM PDT

  •  Looks like we have a convert with that last dude. (9+ / 0-)

    The rest?

    Clueless asshats.

    There's no shortage of those in the U.S., as your video proves, Mike.

  •  The free market (2+ / 0-)
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    will resolve climate change, if it exists. And government and the elites are making money on it, and when Minnesota is underwater, we shall all go swimming, and use boats jet propelled by spray cans (after we put the CFC's back that were removed like 30 years ago) and the Hockey STICK!
    AL GORE is responsible!

    The young man at the end will be leaving the dark side. He has some sense of reality.

    OMG what fun Mike! How do you not laugh when doing these interviews?

    "As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?" - Holly, Red Dwarf

    by pale cold on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 11:06:11 PM PDT

    •  I know, right? (3+ / 0-)
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      But not laughing is the easy part.  I mean, notwithstanding the fact that I can finish their sentences for them, that anyone with a pulse that's demonstrated the least bit of concern for accuracy and knowledge could refute them point by ignorant point...

      Well, it's more of an anthropological phenomena than anything else, at least to me.  

      Really, what is going on here is the manifestation of tribalism.  Humans have broken down along tribal lines for our entire history, it seems.  I mean whether it's race, politics, geography, language, or religion, all across the world for the totality of our existence, we've manufactured identities for ourselves and joined appropriate tribes.

      And when there are no clear dividing lines? We manufacture them.  Witness soccer hooliganism, or the SF fan beaten into a coma by the Dodger fans...  

      Here, what I see are young indoctrinates performing a sort of ritualistic affirmation.  Their define themselves by their fluency in and fealty to conservative dogma.  When they agreed to be filmed, it was a sort of "peacock" moment for them that provided an opportunity for them to proudly state who they are.

      Was never very good at math. Oddly, though, I can count by twos if I start at the number 1.

      by Mike Stark on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:09:10 AM PDT

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  •  Strange (5+ / 0-)

    how these conservatives do not seem to believe in conservation.

    "Who stood against President Obama in 2012?" - The trivia question nobody can answer.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 11:07:27 PM PDT

    •  Because "conservative" is the wrong word (1+ / 0-)
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      and it should never be used to describe right-wingers.

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 05:34:44 AM PDT

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      •  They are more reactionaries, IMHO (0+ / 0-)

        They don't want to conserve anything. They want to go back to the age of the Robber Barons. Because they think they will be rich. I think some of them will have a rude awakening if that ever happens.

        Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

        by Dirtandiron on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:49:55 AM PDT

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        •  They don't necessarily think they'll be rich (0+ / 0-)

          From Davis X. Manchina:

          “The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of who will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.”

          Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

          by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 10:57:14 AM PDT

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  •  More proof (1+ / 0-)
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    That conservatives have been pissing in the gene pool.

    Be radical in your compassion.

    by DWG on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 01:20:33 AM PDT

  •  If I weren't a fatalist already, (4+ / 0-)

    this video would break my heart.

    Republicans represent both sides: the insanely rich and vice versa.

    by Crashing Vor on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 03:43:15 AM PDT

  •  I hate college republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    even more than old right wingers.  Young right wingers always seem so fucking weird and misfit, like something went wrong along the way.  It's like this is their reaction to the cool progressive kids wanting nothing to do with them or they're going to "get everyone back" by joining the evil party and screwing up whatever they can.  Every time I see a weird teen or 20-something, I think "Young Republican".

    They're always really smug about it too...parroting the mindless AM radio talking points but with an air of supposed superiority that they are sharing some sort of profound genius with the world.  I suspect many of them are born into it with rabid right-wing parents, because how many non-messed up teenagers are going to flip on Sean Hannity and think, "This guy's really on to something!" and run with it?

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 05:34:17 AM PDT

  •  Flat earthers. (2+ / 0-)
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    It's a wonder any of them are willing to get on a plane or take an antibiotic. One wonders if they get flu shots.

    Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

    by Land of Enchantment on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 05:35:14 AM PDT

  •  The report that climate change (0+ / 0-)

    stopped 16 years ago was proven wrong, very wrong, yet that kid believed "there was a study that showed...."  My own well-educated t-party relative, who can't think straight about climate change because he hates Al Gore so much, believed the same report until I sent him proof of the errors in it. Then he angrily said: "Don't these editors even read the material they publish?"

    The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

    by ybruti on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 12:38:14 PM PDT

  •  Now you know why they are the "stupid" party (0+ / 0-)

    This is really sad.  Only one intelligent young person out of how many?

    Now, let's hope and pray that Obama doesn't split the Democrats by approving the Keystone XL pipeline.  One cannot stand for mitigating climate change and approve a project that is all risk and no gain (other than private monies).  The tar sands oil is so dirty that even the Canadians don't want to move it over their own land.

  •  Couldn't make it to the halfway mark on the vid (0+ / 0-)

    Stupid overload alarms were going off in my head

    For Christ's sake, let's help more of our frightened people get through this thing, whatever it is - Kurt Vonnegut on our "faithless custodians of capital"

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 01:24:42 PM PDT

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