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Originally posted to richholtzin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 01:26 PM PDT.

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  •  Acoma pottery (12+ / 0-)

    In the late '90s my wife was living in Albuquerque, and was able to visit Acoma a couple of times. She paid the photographer's fee happily.

    She did not have sufficient money to buy one of the truly wonderful pieces of pottery made by the villagers. But, while walking around, she chanced upon a very old woman, whose pottery was not even of second-quality. This pot leaned to the side, the painting was not symmetrical, it was pinched in at a couple of places.

    It was made by the old woman, and she proudly showed her pottery. I suspect that she once made beautiful pots but her abilities faded as she aged.

    But Ms. Unoball bought that crooked pot, that pot with character. Because it was less than perfect, she got it for a very low price.

    She didn't buy it because it was cheap, however; she bought it because it came from the heart of the old woman. Today, that pot sits in a place of honor, next to a beautiful, and perfect, piece that I bought myself.

    And we love them both.

    •  oh this is a story. . . (8+ / 0-)

      a heartfelt story, a compassionate story, a magical story. . .and you created and Dear Mrs. Unoball. Hard to type this. Watery eyes and all. Thank you so much for this comment. Thank you, very, very much, Senor Unoball. You are both special!

      Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

      by richholtzin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 02:07:41 PM PDT

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    •  Acoma pottery is the best! (1+ / 0-)
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       I have only been on the mesa top once, but have visited the area several times. There is a great view spot along the road about a mile before the pueblo where I met some potters selling their works.  Even bad Acoma pottery is better than most other stuff. Part of the appeal is their sense of design and also the contrast with black on very white clay pots. There are also some fine stretches of old Rte 66 through the Acoma and Laguna Pueblos.  That is a very scenic part of the Land of Enchantment.

      Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 54, new CA-30

      by Zack from the SFV on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 04:39:31 PM PDT

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      •  an interesting comment. . . (2+ / 0-)

        Zack from the SFV, given what you said about, and I quote, "Even bad Acoma pottery is better than most other stuff." I have heard this same statement from others in the past. Is it, then, the preciseness of the geometry of the designs on Acoma Pueblo pottery that substantiates this  statement? I wonder. Anyway, thank you for your salient observations on this subject matter. I have so few Acoma Puebloan pottery in my shelves, but I have to admit a bias slanted in what you claim. Thank you for posting your comment.

        Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

        by richholtzin on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 05:32:51 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the tour (8+ / 0-)

    I have republished to Native American Netroots and to History for Kossacks.

  •  This was beautifully done. (6+ / 0-)

    Thank you.

    I have a particular affinity for the Acoma.



    Denial is a drug.

    by Pluto on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 03:17:31 PM PDT

    •  The affinity. . . (5+ / 0-)

      your remarks, I am thinking many folks who comment on this particular diary will agree with you. I, too, feel the same way. There is such a mystique about the history in this region apart from the usual.  I know: that sounds like bias, but many people coming to this sector of America feel the same way and cannot explain the conundrum. There is something in the way of magic and machination given the prehistoric record to the contemporary that makes this sector of the continent what it is. Thank you for posting your comment, Pluto. You have struck upon something that is both profound and esoteric.

      Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

      by richholtzin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:34:11 PM PDT

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  •  I visited this pueblo with a friend approx (6+ / 0-)

    15 years ago. I'd lived in NM for a significant portion of my life, had always wanted to visit Acoma, but never had. It was well worth the wait.

    I recommend anyone who visits be sure to see the Acoma Forest (one lone tree in the middle of the pueblo). And, of course, take in the spectacular NM skies.

    The world is not interested in the storms you encountered, but did you bring in the ship.

    by Hanging Up My Tusks on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 03:20:03 PM PDT

  •  I was so privileged... (6+ / 0-)

    to take a pottery class with Lucy Lewis and two of her daughters.  Just an amazing art form.

    Thanks for the diary!

    All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

    by kishik on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 03:28:12 PM PDT

    •  that name I know. . . (6+ / 0-)

      now if only I could afford one of her epic works. Thanks for posting, kishik. You have good taste in pottery; no doubt about it. Let me see if I can find a photo of her work and include in the original diary. Wasn't going to do it, but now that you brought her name up. . .

      Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

      by richholtzin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 03:32:39 PM PDT

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      •  I felt sooooo (5+ / 0-)

        lucky.  The class was very popular, but my pottery teacher was hosting it, so he made sure his students had first dibs at getting a spot.  I have a tiny piece made by her (a bird sculpture), and one each of her accompanying daughters.  It was a few years later that she passed away.

        All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

        by kishik on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 03:48:38 PM PDT

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        •  sad passing. . . (5+ / 0-)

          of a legendary pottery maker, from Acoma. I had a student, I think from either Yavapai College, in Prescott, or NAU, in Flagstaff, where I escorted tours for the Elderhostel program (and now called the Road Scholar program) who was an understudy of this legendary pottery maker (she was, believe it or not, a full-blooded Sioux Indian), who learned Puebloan Pottery techniques in the hopes of teaching same to her tribal people. Not sure if that endeavor ever came to what she had hoped, but ideation is a miracle and inspirational start in its own right. Anyway, thank you for the followup commentary, Kishik. I am sure the community appreciates such feedback and insight.

          Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

          by richholtzin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:27:43 PM PDT

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  •  Been there. (5+ / 0-)

    1999. A couple days before the millenial New Years (well, the one everyone celebrated as the millenial new years), which we celebrated in Santa Fe.

    Kind of magic place, perched up there. Had to park below and ride a bu up. Beautiful. Bought a piece similar to the black and white pottery you show.

    Mindfulness is the first necessity of sanity and survival and the first casualty of Consumer Culture.

    by Words In Action on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:56:41 PM PDT

    •  could be priceless... (5+ / 0-)

      what you procured, at Acoma. Just don't advertise on Craigslist, should you seek a buyer. I, and many others, are leery of potential buyers coming to your house. You know. Anyway, care to show a picture of what you procured? I think the community would love to see the photo. Meanwhile, thanks for posting your comment, Words In Action, because it's also a show of support for these missive diaries that I'm posting. I will, of course, continue doing so as long as I'm not boring the community in a simile of watching paint dry, and such.

      Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

      by richholtzin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:21:35 PM PDT

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  •  Beautiful photos! (5+ / 0-)

    This is a treasured gift I received from Acoma:

    Acoma Pueblo Pottery, Gift
  •  Acoma Pueblo (4+ / 0-)

    Another great diary and of another site unknown to me. How will I ever have time to see all of these places? My first experience in New Mexico was part of a trip to the Grand Canyon and we decided to go see Santa Fe. On a drive outside Santa Fe (which, by the way had the most beautiful sunsets I have ever seen), we decided we wanted to go to Chimayo (sp). We did not know the way, and stopped a native to ask him which way. I think he might have been celebrating a holiday or something, as he crossed his arms and pointed in both directions. We thought he must have really been "loco", but it turned out that he was right, Chimayo WAS accessed either way. Dumb story, but we were amazed at the artwork and rugs we saw that day, watched the weavers and coveted the pottery we saw but could not afford. Special place!

    •  the misunderstood ways of New Mexico. . . (3+ / 0-)

      as in your commentary, wynative, is priceless. It is indeed an entirely different mindset for outsiders to decipher, mainly because you really can't decipher the old ways. Anyway, your reply to this diary, priceless. I mean, it is almost stereotypic in the usual consensus and POV of others who visit the Southwest, particularly here in the Land of Enchantment. So, you found Chimayo, eventually, and I trust you savored the cuisine at the main restaurant and establishment (across from the Old Mission. And can you guess why sunsets in this part of the country are so unusually breathtaking? I'll give you a clue: starts with the letter "a" and ends with the letter "e." Otherwise, consider the altitude (ooops) of the average Southwest geography.  As for your question how you'll ever get to see all the special places here in the Four Corner region, you will, because you will find time to do it. Let me know where you want to venture and what time you'll be here. . .I''ll plot and submit a course that will will make it a bit easier. And thanks for your usual appreciative commentaries. See you around on the weekend. . .have a change of venue, with respect to diary postings. Decided to venture into two of Utah's more famous State Parks, both virtual tour series, back to back. Hope to see you on both tours.

      Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

      by richholtzin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 07:35:27 PM PDT

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  •  Beautiful and fascinating post (1+ / 0-)
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    as usual, Rich. Thank you for all the history and the gorgeous photos.

    I have a bowl very much like the first one you show... don't know its history.  My mother's family lived in Albuquerque in the 1920s and I think they probably obtained it in that area.

    •  don't mention this. . . (1+ / 0-)
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      via Craigslist. You never know who'll show up at your door and then pull a fast one. Anyway, it is likely a very valuable pottery artifact. Do not use it for making casseroles and such. HA! If you can, why not send a picture and the rest of us in the DKos community can feast our eyes on your prize antique from the 20s? As always, thanks for posting your comments. Means a lot, it does.

      Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

      by richholtzin on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:07:22 AM PDT

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      •  No intention of selling it, (0+ / 0-)

        believe me. It's at my late parents' home, though, not close by, so no photo for now.  It truly is very similar -- just looking at that one, I can feel the texture of our old one.

        •  well then that explains it . . . (1+ / 0-)
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          and isn't that incredible you being able to feel the texture of the pottery by looking at it! As the Bard said in "Hamlet," "There are more things in earth and heaven, Horatio. . ." and I bet you can finish the rest of the line, RiveroftheWest.

          Must dash now and get today's diary posted. . .on a spooky, nifty place in Utah. Can you guess where?

          Thanks for getting back to me on this matter.

          Treat the world (yourself, and others) as part of a living organism. Everyone and everything will benefit.

          by richholtzin on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:34:30 PM PDT

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