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U.S. Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) addresses the final session of the 2012 Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida August 30, 2012. REUTERS/Jason Reed (UNITED STATES  - Tags: POLITICS ELECTIONS)
Marco Rubio. Shameless.
While President Obama was attempting to shame lawmakers into not forgetting the Newtown massacre and into doing something about it, "to turn that heartbreak into something real," two more Republican senators were vowing to block any gun legislation.
Before the president made his remarks today, a pair of Republican senators—Marco Rubio (Fla.) and Jim Inhofe (Okla.), announced that they have joined three of their GOP colleagues inpledging to oppose any gun control bill that violates the Second Amendment.
You'll remember that Sens. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Mike Lee sent a letter to President Obama vowing to block any "any legislation that will serve as a vehicle for any additional gun restrictions" from Senate consideration. That's not just any bill that violates the Second Amendment. That's any gun restrictions at all. Now you know who are the five most shameless Republican senators.

Reid does have procedural options to bring the bill to the floor under the new rules adopted in January, but that requires cooperation from Mitch McConnell, and an agreement from him on limiting amendments to the bill to just two from each side. With this high-profile filibuster from five Republicans, it doesn't seem too likely he'll get that agreement. Nothing would prevent these five from filibustering the bill at any opportunity after it came to the floor, even if Reid and McConnell could reach an agreement.

So instead of having to stand on the Senate floor and speak for hours about why they care more about the NRA and the families of Newtown, the families of the thousands who've been killed by guns since that horrible day December, these shameless Republicans can painlessly block this bill. It doesn't have to be this way.

If you haven't already, please sign our petition to Harry Reid urging him to reopen rules reform.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:29 AM PDT.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA, Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA), and Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (24+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:29:36 AM PDT

  •  What's the percentage of Floridians for gun laws (7+ / 0-)

    like universal background checks? When are we going to see protests in front of the offices of these wankers? When will Rubio actually be a Senator for the people and not the money? Yeah, I know, when hell freezes over. :P

    You can't assassinate the character of any of modern conservative. You'd have to find where it was buried, dig it up, resurrect it, then kill it. And killing a zombie isn't really assassination, is it?

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:33:31 AM PDT

  •  A gun control law (11+ / 0-)

    banning assault weapons and limiting magazines does not infringe on the second amendment.  Universal background checks does not infringe on the second amendment.  Why do theses Senators act like it does?

    Say "No" to Chained CPI.

    by Arlys on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:37:55 AM PDT

    •  that's nowhere near as clear (0+ / 0-)

      As you think it is, especially in the assault weapons context.

      I am interested in your reasoning, though... Care to elaborate?

      --Shannon

      "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
      "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

      by Leftie Gunner on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:44:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Does either prohibit you from (6+ / 0-)

        getting a gun? But most importantly the 2nd is not absolute. The state has every right under the second to regulate guns. Even Scalia the originalist originalist agrees with this reading of the second.

        Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

        by jsfox on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:57:02 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not so fast. (0+ / 0-)

          Heller says that the government can't really prohibit possession of guns that are commonly used for lawful purposes, unless those are determined to be "especially dangerous or unusual."

          This leaves a couple of possibilities.

          Congress could declare that semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines are especially dangerous subtypes of firearms, and that regulating them--especially not to the fullest possible extent--is permissible. The Court might not buy it, since those weapons are so common it's next to impossible for them to be "unusual," which they could determine is a necessary trait for a ban to pass muster.

          Congress could argue (quite correctly) that it has the power to regulate goods affecting interstate commerce, and that, since the AWB doesn't ban all weapons of a type, but only those with specific features or specific models, leaving thousands of alternative means for consumers to purchase and possess weapons of the same type. At least four of the Heller majority would look at that very skeptically.

          Now, if the AWB instead reclassified semi-automatics with detachable magazines as Class III weapons (like short-barreled shotguns and full-automatic firearms), they would still be accessible to people, who could still possess and transfer them, but the regulations over possession and transferring--and the penalties for doing either illegally--would be much stronger. That, I believe, would be easily accepted by the Court (who, if you remember, struck down DC's specific handgun laws because the District's process made it functionally impossible to possess a handgun legally; that is decidedly not the case with a Class III process).

          But I don't think we can say that the AWB's constitutionality is unquestionable, given the way the law currently stands.

          "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

          by JR on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 12:15:55 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I don't agree (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            MPociask, Glen The Plumber

            you cannot regulate a whole class of guns. As you point out DC tried to get rid of all handguns.

            Now I will agree that it might be tough, but I think you can make the case that a Bushmaster with a 30 round plus clip is a sub culture weapon and convince Scalia of this fact.

            And here is Justices Stevens commenting on Heller:

            “Even as generously construed in Heller, the Second Amendment provides no obstacle to regulations prohibiting the ownership or use of the sorts of automatic weapons used in the tragic multiple killings in Virginia, Colorado, and Arizona in recent years. The failure of Congress to take any action to minimize the risk of similar tragedies in the future cannot be blamed on the Court’s decision in Heller.”

            Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

            by jsfox on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:01:34 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Be careful what you wish for. (0+ / 0-)

            I agree that Heller doesn't expressly limit the power of Congress to expand the scope of firearms that can be covered under Class 3.  However, the purpose of that stamp process is to provide the state with complete discretion in issuing permission.  It is conceivable that future opinions would remove said discretion, in which case you'd get your reclassification and registry at the cost of letting any person not prohibited after some due process proceeding secure machine guns.

            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

            by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:04:58 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  DC made that exact argument (0+ / 0-)

          In defense of their handgun ban. They claimed that, even if the 2nd Ammendment protected an individual right, their law didn't violate it, because you could still own long guns.

          They lost.

          To the larger point, the fact that the court said that some restrictions on the right are permissible does not imply that all restrictions are OK,  nor even that your particular one is. In fact, there is plenty of evidence in the Heller opinion that an AWB would not survive challenge. It's all dicta  at this point, but it's there, and you need to account for it.

          --Shannon

          "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
          "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

          by Leftie Gunner on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:04:18 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Not the same at all (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            MPociask, Glen The Plumber

            DC tried to regulate entire class of weapons . . .  handguns.

            An AWB or magazine ban is only talking about a specific type of weapon not all long guns or all semi-autos.

            Look I am fully aware that an AWB and even a mag ban is the longest of long shots, but asking for more in the hopes of at least gettingexpanded background checks and straw buyer laws with teeth that punish the dealer as well as the buyer.

            Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

            by jsfox on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:09:49 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Don't let NRA set gun policy (0+ / 0-)

            RKBA same as NRA, except more radical. Your website says you are a branch of the NRA with the full support of the NRA behind you. Objective of RKBA states it's to stop, obstruct any and all gun regulation.

            You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

            by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:35:37 PM PDT

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            •  Agenda? (0+ / 0-)

              You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

              by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:55:28 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Yeah... (0+ / 0-)

                From: JASPAR@aol.com
                Subject: 5 Minutes to Freedom!
                Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:32:55 EST
                To: firearms-alert@lists.best.com

                A FIVE-MINUTE HANDBOOK
                FOR GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS

                Copyright © 2000 by JASPAR@aol.com
                All rights reserved. Reproduction or distribution
                is permitted with this copyright notice attached.

                I've been a gun rights activist for nearly 10 years.

                I wasted a lot of time for the first 5 years because
                no one gave me the rule book you are now reading.

                Maybe that's because no one had written it. This is the stuff
                I wish I had known starting on day one.

                If you've just arrived at this party, the next 5 minutes you
                spend reading this might save you 5 years of otherwise
                wasted time and energy.

                If you've been in the gun rights game for a while, this handbook
                will be the fastest refresher course you've ever taken.

                This past year I've received a lot of mail from jittery gun owners
                who are finally waking up to what's happening to our right to keep
                and bear arms (RKBA).

                This handbook is mostly for them.

                If the rules I list below scare off a few folks, so be it. I want
                to tell it like it really is -- to give a quick snapshot of the tips,
                tricks and tactics that actually work in RKBA activism.

                The bad news is that this is not a complete list of the rules.

                The good news is that there will never be a complete list of rules.

                The rules listed below are based on my own experience from working
                thousands of hours with down and dirty RKBA activist pros. I am deeply
                grateful to all of them. They know who they are.

                Some of these rules have been followed for so long by old-time
                activists that they have forgotten what the original rules were.

                It's time to list them again.

                And sneak in a couple of new ones.

                So read them and weep, or read them and rejoice.

                -----

                NO ONE IS AS INTERESTED AS YOU ARE. Nowadays everyone's
                attention span and time are limited. Be grateful if you get
                anyone's attention on our issue, even for a few seconds. Some
                wannabe activists come in like a lion, then disappear faster
                than sh*t through a short dog. Take whatever you get from any
                volunteer. Praise and thank them. Don't be disappointed when
                they drift away. They will. But some come back. Keep the
                light on for them.

                THE NRA STINKS. So does GOA, SAF, JPFO, and any or all of the
                rest of the gun rights organizations. At the same time, all of these
                organizations are the best thing since sliced bread. We won't keep
                our rights without them. It's normal to love them and hate them at
                the same time. Be sure your complaints about them go to the person
                who can do something about your problem. Never give up your
                membership -- it's much easier to fix things from the inside.
                Avoid griping in public -- our opponents love it when we do.
                Always handle our dirty laundry behind closed doors. Always.

                THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET. There is no single answer, rule, or solution.
                Never has been, and never will be. None of us will write the single
                brilliant letter to the editor or internet message that will miraculously
                turn everything around. Keep steadily busy. Do as much as you can,
                whenever you can. Anything you do counts, but some things count
                more than others. Find out what counts. Then do it.

                THERE IS NO FINAL VICTORY. Preserving RKBA is an ongoing PROCESS.
                We are winning and losing battles during this process, but the war
                will never be over. Becoming active to keep your gun rights is a
                lot like cleaning your house: it's thankless and boring work, but
                necessary. Like dirt, the antigun crowd will just keep coming back.
                Forever. Your activism will keep us winning more than losing.
                Our opponents count on wearing us down. They love it when one of us
                (not you, of course) gets discouraged and drops out. When you fully
                understand and accept the reality that RKBA is a never-ending struggle,
                you're automatically in the top 5 percent of all RKBA defenders.
                Congratulations.

                RKBA ACTIVISM IS BORING. It's especially boring when you are doing
                things that really make a difference. Most of us want drama. We want
                to be entertained. Phone bank calling, precinct walking, going
                to RKBA grassroots seminars -- suddenly, even a trip to the dentist
                for a root canal will start to look better. Sorry, but there is no
                workaround on this aspect. Freedom is not free. It's a pain in the
                ass. Get used to it, get over it, and get to work.    

                USE THE POWER OF FEAR AND GUILT. Gun owners are susceptible
                to these emotions. Awaken sleeping RKBA activists by tapping  
                these powerful emotions. Fear and guilt will move mountains --
                and fill the collection plate, and recruit new members. If gun
                owners won't become active for themselves, ask them to do it
                for their families. For their children. For their country. And --
                this tactic works! -- ask them to do it for YOU.  

                WATCH OUT FOR MISDIRECTED, TIME-WASTING EFFORTS.
                E-mail to elected people is pretty much worthless -- unless
                the official already personally knows you. Internet polls are
                useless. Online polls make some folks think they are actually
                doing something. They are not. It's a false sense of accomplishment.
                It's like bringing a doctor to a dead man. Focus on the stuff that
                works. If you're going to hunt ducks, go where the ducks are.

                POLITICIANS ONLY CARE ABOUT VOTES AND MONEY. In-person visits,
                phone calls, and snail-mailed, handwritten letters to elected folks
                help -- because politicians know that if you take this much trouble,
                you and your family and friends will also vote.

                HOT TIP: Make yourself known to politicians for
                issues other than gun rights. Don't present yourself
                as a single-issue person. Praise and help politicians
                on THEIR pet projects. Then, when a new gun control
                law comes up, your opinion will seem especially credible.
                Otherwise, you will soon be stereotyped and discounted
                as a single-issue voter.

                ANOTHER HOT TIP: Politicians have to explain why they
                vote Yes or No on proposed laws. Sometimes they really      
                need your help in composing explanations to their
                constituents. If you want your elected official to vote
                No on a seemingly popular new gun control law, she might
                be more willing to vote your way if you give her a
                "back door" -- a good, common sense explanation that
                she can give to all of her constituents.      

                GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN OFFICE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If we have
                the right people in power, antigun laws will not be passed. Period.
                The laws are what matter. This concept is so simple that many
                folks can't see it, just like they can't "see" the air they breathe.
                The anti-rights crowd can hold all the gun control seminars and
                news conferences they want, but nothing will happen unless they
                can pass more laws. This fact tells you about the how, what, where,
                when, why, and with whom you should be spending your time, energy,
                and money. Politicians pass laws. Therefore, you must get involved in
                politics to protect your gun rights. There is just no way to get around
                this. Sorry. I don't like politics either. Bummer!

                STOP THE SABER RATTLING -- NOW! Avoid those shrill folks who sound
                threatening or talk about doomsday. It's a waste of your time. These
                noisy folks remind me of a couple in a failing marriage who only talk
                about a getting a divorce instead of talking about their real problems.
                If they don't solve their problems, separation or divorce becomes the
                inevitable outcome. Some people get pumped up on silly fantasy
                scenarios. I do not.

                ARM YOURSELF WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION. Paradoxically,
                bad information or disinformation is a plague in the so-called
                Information Age. When you write or talk about firearms issues,
                use only the facts, the truth, and the provable. Verify any quotes
                that you use. Back up your generalizations with powerful and
                specific examples. Get on the internet, and get your like-minded
                friends online. Join several of the hundreds of net communities
                that will keep you informed instantly and completely about our
                special issues. Information is power!

                IGNORE MEDIA SPIN AND THE NEWS WAVES. It's far too easy
                to go bonkers reacting to the latest media-driven crisis. Don't
                let the media push your buttons. The RKBA grassroots pros I know
                do not overreact to crises. In fact, most of the ultra-pros that I
                know do not react at all to media hysteria. Bashing the media about
                their bias is not productive. Some gun owners use media bias as an
                excuse to do nothing -- because the situation seems so overwhelming
                and hopeless. Truth is, if you are a busy activist -- already steadily
                doing stuff that matters -- you will find the media reacting to YOU.
                Be friendly and polite with them -- not hostile. Become a reliable
                source of information for them. And just keep on being ACTIVE.

                JUST SHOW UP. It's been said that 80 percent of success is
                showing up. Being there. Showing up to vote. Showing up at an
                RKBA seminar. At your assemblyman's office. At a city council
                meeting. My father's favorite motto: "Your actions speak so loud
                that I can't hear a word you're saying." Your "silent" activism can
                be a model for others. What will your 3 hunting buddies think when
                they find out you spent an afternoon handing out brochures
                door-to-door for a pro-gun politician?

                DON'T MESS WITH TRUE BELIEVERS. In the time you spend trying
                to convert one hard core antigun person to our side, you could
                have gone out and motivated and organized 20 people who already
                think like you do. Go with the flow. It's easier on your nerves,
                and much more effective. Personally, I have converted several
                anti-rights true believers, but never again! Lots of NRA members
                are not registered voters. A lot of gun owners aren't NRA members.
                Even more folks have no idea of their elected officials' positions
                on gun issues. Where is your time most effectively spent? Think
                about this before you spend an hour writing a clever response
                to a silly message you found somewhere on the internet.

                SIMPLICITY STILL MATTERS. The old rule, Keep It Super Simple
                (KISS), is as important as it ever was. It applies to internet
                postings, planning, speeches -- everything. And keep it short.
                And keep it sweet: don't ever ridicule or insult anyone. Did you
                notice that I did NOT say, "Keep It Simple, STUPID?"

                YOU ARE ALL ALONE. Well, not quite alone. You do have some help.
                The NRA has a staff of several hundred. There is no way humanly
                possible that "the NRA" can put out all the brush fires started
                by the anti-rights crowd. Pro-gun national organizations
                give direction and information -- but they cannot save your
                rights. Only YOU can save YOUR rights. You are 100 percent
                responsible. When you fully accept this reality, you are
                automatically in the top one percent of all RKBA activists.

                THE HIDDEN BONUS OF GUN RIGHTS ACTIVISM. The more involved
                you get with firearms freedom, the more you will realize that
                your single issue actually complements and protects other human
                rights issues. Personally, I am deeply offended by many aspects of
                today's culture. When I focus my activism on RKBA, I can often
                sense I am making a measurable difference. All rights -- like all
                humans -- are connected.      

                WHEN IN DOUBT, JUST DO SOMETHING. Sometimes we don't know
                what will work. Sometimes the rule is that there are no rules.
                I once wrote an essay I thought was mediocre at best. Five years
                later, I'm still receiving mail about it. Don't hesitate to try
                something new and innovative -- get it out on the table! Often
                your finest essay or brilliant letter will not be acknowledged,
                or you will just get a form letter response. But that letter to
                the editor that you dashed off in a few minutes appears in
                tomorrow's newspaper! Go figure. Better yet, try not to figure.
                Trust yourself, trust your instincts -- and just do something.  

                I'll see you in the trenches.

                Copyright © 2000 by JASPAR@aol.com
                All rights reserved. Reproduction or distribution
                is permitted with this copyright notice attached.

                You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

                by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:02:26 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                Think you're talking about a different RKBA.

                When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:05:52 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  You sure? (0+ / 0-)

                  Re: (0+ / 0-)
                  Don't think he was recruiting you; you're quite unnecessary when it comes to defending anyone's rights.

                  When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.
                  Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 05:13:47 PM EDT

                  [ Parent | Reply to This ]
                   I give you a standing ovation (3+ / 0-)
                  You have succinctly made every point I have wanted to get across to the DKOS community.

                  Please Join Us.

                  on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 07:10:05 AM EDT

                  [ Reply to This ]

                   I am so glad you were finally moved to pen a diary (2+ / 0-)
                  ... and to comment on Daily Kos!

                  Welcome!
                  Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 10:27:48 AM EDT

                  You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

                  by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:32:19 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                    Pretty sure.  Rkba.org is a personal site managed by some guy named Jeff Chan.  

                    When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                    by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:37:00 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Org (0+ / 0-)

                      Dot ORG. Not a one man show.

                      You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

                      by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:40:17 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                        Since when was it a requirement that a name off the .org top level domain be owned by an organization?  There's no indication whatsoever of a group effort.

                        From the Welcome message: "Welcome to my collection of mostly firearms information."

                        When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                        by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:43:12 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  How many have been bullied? (0+ / 0-)

                          Harassed? Made to feel small? How many have been banned?  One of you went out of his way to make a snarky comment on me. This was on a day my son called from the war zone to let me know he wasn't dead or injured after an attack. Think going out of his way to be rude to me went over well? How many others have you bullied and intimidated? You people are playing this guys guide right down the line, and it's not like we can demand a list of members.

                          You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

                          by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 03:02:11 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                            Excuse me, but I have no idea what you're talking about.  Who has been bullied?  By whom?  Who is this guy with a guide?

                            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                            by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 03:07:10 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  How polite.... (0+ / 0-)

                            Re: (0+ / 0-)
                            Don't think he was recruiting you; you're quite unnecessary when it comes to defending anyone's rights.

                            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.
                            Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 05:13:47 PM EDT

                            You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

                            by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 03:54:34 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                            I'm sorry if you felt bullied by that bit of snark.  But I'm not RKBA.

                            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                            by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 03:56:00 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Wasn't addressed to me (0+ / 0-)

                            It was at another, you know, the one you had a 24 hour flame war with. The one you accused of being an NRA plant.

                            You’re just a bully who found it easier and easier and decided that everybody else wasn’t really a person, not like you, and when you know that, there’s no crime too big, is there? No crime you won’t do.’

                            by Shippo1776 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 04:02:59 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  asfd (0+ / 0-)

                            Links?  And what does this have to do with http://rkba.org?

                            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                            by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 04:06:45 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  RKBA at Dkos. Some few of them have (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            Shippo1776

                            bullied here. Most have not and are awesome people to know via the website. Nevertheless, it is true that a couple of guys do target and verbally assault people here. I have been so targeted by them. Again, it's not RKBA, but several individuals who are arrogant jerks who are mistaken both about their knowledge of laws and their own honor.

                            You may be unaffiliated with the RKBA here, but I'm not buying your claim to have no idea what the other posters are referring to.

                            “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

                            by jeff in nyc on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 07:11:43 PM PDT

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                          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                            I've been here for about two months.  I barely know anyone in RKBA or in any other club.  I've seen some pretty heated exchanges, and hints of some underlying animosity between certain DK members, but I've seen nothing of what you describe.

                            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                            by Patrick Costighan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 07:28:36 PM PDT

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                          •  Great thanks. (0+ / 0-)

                            “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

                            by jeff in nyc on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 07:37:09 PM PDT

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  •  Sheer genius: (4+ / 0-)
    Reid does have procedural options to bring the bill to the floor under the new rules adopted in January, but that requires cooperation from Mitch McConnell, and an agreement from him on limiting amendments to the bill to just two from each side.
    A deal to stop someone from doing something is a great idea. When that deal says that you can still do something if you want to it isn't a deal at all.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:44:14 AM PDT

  •  Ron Paul stood on the Senate floor to bloviate (2+ / 0-)
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    about drones. Doesn't he have the guts to do the same about denying sane gun laws?

    "That being said, I do agree I am going to hell. But for other reasons. Mostly boring tax stuff ' Amy Pohler

    by Annie B on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:49:18 AM PDT

    •  He plans to. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

      by jsfox on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:57:36 AM PDT

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    •  Rand, not Ron. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

      by JR on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 12:16:27 PM PDT

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    •  Even if he doesn't plan to... (0+ / 0-)

      You'd hope Reid could still force a debate.  A filibuster is really just saying you want more time to debate something, you're not ready to close the debate yet.  Why can't Reid just clear the whole Senate schedule and bring in every Democrat?  Then, when a Republican announces he is going to filibuster the bill, show them the Senate podium - you want more time to debate?  Let's debate it, then.

      •  Because that's now how Senate filibuster works (1+ / 0-)
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        In fact, I believe all that is really required is for a senator to announce that they plan to filibuster and it immediately stalls the proceedings.

        •  "Filibuster" is not a magic word (0+ / 0-)

          It doesn't automatically just freeze everything.  I'm not a Senate rules expert, and I'll defer to those that are, but the filibuster comes from the Senate rule that any Senator can speak as long as they wish.  The only way to stop them from speaking on an issue is for 3/5 of the Senate to vote to end the debate and have a vote, already.  

          In practice, rather than make the person filibustering talk, Reid has just moved on to something else.  But he doesn't have to do that.  If any Republican announces that they want to keep talking about gun control, Reid should say go for it!  Talk as long as you want.  We'll sit here and wait for you.  Don't mind the tv cameras.

          •  Correction, filibuster is not SUPPOSED to be magic (1+ / 0-)
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            In recent years, though, it has been used as such.  In essence, all that has been required is the threat of filibuster to effectively end legislation that does not have 60 vote support (for cloture).

            This is not the intent of the filibuster, but it is pretty much how it has been applied.

    •  He'd welcome it, (1+ / 0-)
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      in both cases, the goal wasn't to "force debate" but for him to shore up support for a Presidential race and raise his profile.  He wants to be known as the craziest, gun-totingist senator around, so he'll hit the steam room and talk for 12 hours without peeing again if that's what it takes to get on television.

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:12:36 PM PDT

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  •  This is not a surprise (2+ / 0-)
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    but it makes me sick nonetheless. Cold bastards.
    And thanks a lot Harry.

    Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

    by hulibow on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:51:00 AM PDT

  •  If you are against sane gun regulations (10+ / 0-)

    the by definition you are for the deaths of 30,000 plus citizens every year.

    Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

    by jsfox on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 11:58:46 AM PDT

  •  This is good news for John McCain (0+ / 0-)
  •  Why do republicans want Americans to get shot? (5+ / 0-)
  •  Why even bother using the word "filibuster"? (2+ / 0-)
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    We might as well just call it an effortless procedural block.

    What it is, what it is.

    Ayn is the bane! Take the Antidote To Ayn Rand and call your doctor in the morning: You have health insurance now! @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 12:45:57 PM PDT

  •  Sadly, it DOES have to be this way (2+ / 0-)
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    as long as we have Harry Reid claiming to be a Democrat & Senate leader. A REAL leader would have stepped up & stopped the GOP from playing these silly games. But old man Reid just keeps it going because he's too old & useless to do anything about it. SO in the meantime, these younger guys who are actually doing SOMETHING will get what they want, while Reid just sits & complains. Sorry fellow Democrats, but dinosaurs like Reid are the reason the Democrats don't have more power in this country & it's his fault a few stupid Republicans are allowed to control the entire majority of americans.

    Follow me on Twitter! @guileofthegods

    by Guile Of The Gods on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 12:50:14 PM PDT

  •  More Hypocrisy from the Right... (4+ / 0-)

    I don't understand whey the left doesn't make more out of the rightwing hypocrisy on Constitutional Rights:

    When it comes to 2nd Amendment rights:
    Background checks are the first step to tyranny
    We have to make guns more available to the people

    When it comes to 14th Amendment rights (Voting):
    Background checks are mandatory, as is registration
    We need to carefully limit the right to vote to those with proper ID!

    We need to make buying a gun equally as difficult as casting a vote!!!

  •  Aren't they spitting on the graves of everyone (2+ / 0-)
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    who dies from gun violence?

  •  Force Symbolic Vote To Block Sales To Felons (1+ / 0-)
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    Come on the GOP pulls this crap all the time.

    Bring a bill to the floor blocking all gun sales to people convicted of murder with guns, and make them filabuster it.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:00:55 PM PDT

  •  rubio not even trying to win a general election (0+ / 0-)

    for POTUS

    that or his handlers are complete idiots

  •  Screw this disgusting lice. (3+ / 0-)

    I've been watching politics for almost fifty years, and I haven't seen a rottener, more reactionary bunch than this.

    Anti-immigration, anti-evolution, anti-science, pro-superstition, sexist, racist, homophobic, ignorant throwbacks.

    "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

    by Wildthumb on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:11:13 PM PDT

  •  With every passing, dysfunctional Senate day... (0+ / 0-)

    ...Harry Reid looks like a bigger and bigger jackass.  Or he looks like he's completely complicit in the dysfunction.  Either way, his leaving the Senate can't come fast enough...

  •  Rubio is a damned fool.... (0+ / 0-)

    He's playing the Mitt game of hoping like hell he can etch a sketch his way out of the crazy..... ..and batshit crazy is what you have to be to get the pres. nomination from the gun toting, bible thumping, woman hating bigots that are the cornerstone of this disfunctional political circus known as the Republican party. I just don't see any upside to filibustering a gun control measure as vastly popular as that of background checks. That is unless you have to pander to the tri corner tin foil hat teahadist crowd. What a profoundly ridiculous situation this going extinct party finds itself in, and they deserve it!

  •  "that violates the Second Amendment" (2+ / 0-)

    Their comical escape clause.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:16:40 PM PDT

  •  What's the point? (0+ / 0-)

    Send Harry a message?  What a waste of time.

  •  Dear Senator Rubio, (0+ / 0-)

    My right to bear arms (in my insane opinion that you obviously agree with) is being infringed upon by my inability to procure rocket propelled grenades and a launcher. Do your job and fix this travesty of justice and rape of the Constitution..

    How can they fit that much stupid under one dome?

    For Christ's sake, let's help more of our frightened people get through this thing, whatever it is - Kurt Vonnegut on our "faithless custodians of capital"

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 01:28:09 PM PDT

  •  It seems like filibusters (0+ / 0-)

    are the one thing that republicans can do quickly. If only they showed as much vigor in, you know, accomplishing something.

    "Trust not the words of a poet, as he is born to seduce. Yet for poetry to seize the heart, it must ring with the chimes of truth."

    by kamrom on Thu Mar 28, 2013 at 02:08:01 PM PDT

  •  Brand Rand and all of them (0+ / 0-)

    standing in the way of the citizens of this country who want to protect babies.

  •  spend that political (0+ / 0-)

    capital rubio so the new face of the gop can go down to an even bigger defeat in 2016.

  •  brave brave filibusterers (0+ / 0-)

    what a gang of halfwits.  americans shooting americans accounts for many many many many many more times  of deaths than foreign terrorist attacks against US citizens.  yet these senators will be hailed as folk heroes by the gun nut culture, yet i shudder to think of the backlash if anyone had attempted to filibuster the USA Patriot Act or any other number of supposedly anti-terrorist bills that did far more damage to our civil liberties than any gun control law has or ever could do.  rubio and paul and the other heroes will do everything they can to make sure our cities are unsafe.  thanks.l

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