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Another Senate Democrat embraces equality, this time Sen. Tom Carper of Delaware who has finally weighed in on the right side of history:
As our society has changed and evolved, so too has the public's opinion on gay marriage – and so has mine. I pray every day for God to grant me the wisdom to do what is right. Through my prayers and conversations with my family and countless friends and Delawareans, I've been reminded of the power of one of my core values: the Golden Rule. It calls on us to treat others as we want to be treated. That means, to me, that all Americans ultimately should be free to marry the people they love and intend to share their lives with, regardless of their sexual orientation, and that's why today, after a great deal of soul searching, I'm endorsing marriage equality.
Carper's endorsement leaves just seven senate Democrats on the wrong side of history: Joe Manchin, Bill Nelson, Heidi Heitkamp, Mary Landrieu, Tim Johnson, Joe Donnelly and Mark Pryor. They are joined in the bigot caucus by 44 of the Senate's 45 Republicans.

9:00 AM PT: And Rob Portman finally has a colleague on his side of the aisle who shares his support for marriage equality:

@SenatorKirk's statement in support of gay marriage here:
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  •  The Golden Rule. (13+ / 0-)

    What a concept.

    “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

    by ahumbleopinion on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:05:31 AM PDT

  •  I keep hoping Mark Kirk will do this (4+ / 0-)
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    TomP, unclebucky, thomask, leftywright

    I guess I shouldn't hold my breath, eh?

    •  I think we in Illinois oughta call his office... (1+ / 0-)
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      I will. To get him to endorse EQUAL marriage. ;o)

      Heh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:07:58 AM PDT

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    •  Just did.... LISTENED to the robot... (1+ / 0-)
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      answering service to "leave a comment."

      Before I talk to other than a human being, I will find some other points of entry. Sigh.

      Meh. GOPers.

      Ugh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:10:18 AM PDT

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    •  You know, he might... (4+ / 0-)

      He doesn't have much to lose.  He needs (deluded) democratic voters, or at least centrists, to win statewide.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:10:49 AM PDT

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      •  And its going to be an uphill climb in 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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        wishingwell, JBraden

        It's going to be a bad year to be a 2010 republican...

        •  It's also interesting that the State GOP chair (2+ / 0-)
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          supported marriage equality and was forced from his position.  But a lot of Republicans here in Illinois are starting to think that might have been an overreaction.  The GOP in Illinois is more prone than most state parties to divide along the oligarch/god-botherer faultline.  The rich folks in Illinois either don't care about marriage equality or support it as consistent with their general libertarian take on government.  The bible-thumping base downstate is as reactionary as any group of republicans anywhere.  Therein lies the risk for Kirk, but also the opportunity.  If he feels he can obtain more suburban moderates than the number of fundie nutcases he loses, he may support it.

          One thing is certain - Kirk will never vote according to his conscience, because he has none.  Sociopathic weenie never supported expansion of access to rehabilitative services until he had his stroke.

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:19:21 AM PDT

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          •  His worry is a primary (0+ / 0-)

            If he endorses, he's going to get a social conservative primary. He's going to have a hard enough time making it through the general as is. Does he really want a tough primary on top of it?

      •  Same deal with Susan Collins (3+ / 0-)
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        cosette, thomask, pademocrat

        I mean, skating left on social issues is her brand, is it not?  And what better way for Lisa Murkowski to show what a real Alaskan stands for -- gun rights, gay rights, and gas rights?  Also, Dean Heller, since his state has a large wedding industry.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:15:23 AM PDT

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    •  OK, Chicago office - very nice & friendly ppl. (2+ / 0-)
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      cosette, wishingwell

      Sen. Mark Kirk
      Chicago, IL 60604
      Phone: 312-886-3506

      I asked the staff member that Sen. Kirk would do the same as Senator Portman.

      I really didn't say much else except "Illinois is about to make a historic decision" so...

      Be nice! :)

      Get the message across!



      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:14:33 AM PDT

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    •  Kirk just did (2+ / 0-)
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      He came out for marriage equality:

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:06:11 AM PDT

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    •  Boy, do I feel foolish now. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm going to call Senator Kirk's office and thank him. Perhaps this will help in Illinois' marriage equality bill.

      Thank you, Senator Kirk.

  •  Funny how (0+ / 0-)

    Pols have a way of shifting positions based on the direction of the wind.  Who woulda thunk?

    •  Well, there are two ways to think about this. (0+ / 0-)

      1. Flip flop. - That has to do with the fact that the pol has no center, and only speaks to satisfy the currently most annoying or lucrative need. So, regardless of position, the pol is "dishonest".

      2. Evolve. - This has to do with the fact that every pol in fact represents his/her constituents. Also, in representing constituents (those who voted and those who didn't vote for the pol), the pol represents both the general trend as well as minorities that might be adversely affected by the general trend. Thus, in order to represent constituents well, a pol has to listen to changes in polls, democratic opinions and research. When a pol changes policy positions, it should be on the basis of careful research on the majority, minority and golden rule.

      Finally, sometimes there's chess (the 3-D kind) and sports strategy (baseball, football, association football, hockey, basketball, etc.) that can inform us why a politician will evade making a decision about policy positions until all research is done. This avoids the flop-flip business.

      I think. I'll get back with you after I do some more research. ;o)

      Ugh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:24:59 AM PDT

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      •  The definition depends (0+ / 0-)

        On you view of the pol. If you favor the person you'll say it's a position that has evolved. If you don't like the person a charge of flip flopped is applied. In my opinion all pols are opportunists that don't really care about a position. They care more about getting reelected and accumulating more wealth/power.

        •  I would disagree. (0+ / 0-)

          For example, I am a proud Democrat. Got it? I belong to the DemocratIC Party. Never going to vote Green nationally UNTIL Greens get a certain local critical mass.

          I am a prouuuud Illinoian. I often sing this song with Win Stracke: "El-A-Noy" Also, 43rd Ward. Ah localism.

          (Song: 43rd Ward)

          But our Republican Senator just switched to support Equal Marriage. I am a Democrat and I say this Republican EVOLVED, since, like Senator Portman, something had to hit him personally for his systems to adapt to reality.

          I still suspect him of being a Republican (that's a sin worse than saying "Jou lee yet" instead of "Jah lee yet", but maybe he will EVOLVE into a Republican that Lincoln could be proud of.

          I would like for all of my Republican and DemocratIC brethren and sistren to EVOLVE to DemocratIC Socialism like my proud Senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders.

          The thing is that, as I explained, evolving is coming to grips with reality, whilst flip-flopping is more like receiving a phone call from David Koch (as to our northerly Governor of Wisconsin)

          We shall see.



          "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

          by unclebucky on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:47:43 PM PDT

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  •  And how many of those 7 are not with the President (0+ / 0-)

    on Gun Control

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:08:01 AM PDT

    •  What's the problem with that? (1+ / 0-)
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      Each of these issues are not mutually contingent.

      I'm not with the President or with the NRA all the time on Gun Control.

      But I'm not nuts. That must put me in the moderate area.

      Ugh. --UB.

      "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

      by unclebucky on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:26:27 AM PDT

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  •  Well, as Mark Pryor said to Bill Maher (7+ / 0-)

    "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate."

    "Today is who you are" - my wife

    by I Lurked For Years on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:08:07 AM PDT

  •  Call them the Seven Dwarves (4+ / 0-)
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    That should get under their thin skins.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:09:11 AM PDT

  •  Statistically, (1+ / 0-)
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    those 44 republicans have to have some gay kids. I wonder who is either a) being a horrible parent or b) is totally clueless about this basic fact of their child's life.

  •  Profiles in weahervaning. eom (0+ / 0-)

    'Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost' - Ronald Reagan, Communist

    by RichM on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:13:12 AM PDT

  •  Should be a no-brainer for Carper (1+ / 0-)
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    Deleware?  That state's evolved enough already.  No political risk, and in fact a politicial liability if he doesnt take the right side on this issue. Nelson should just do it too.  This won't cost him an election in FL.

    Johnson?  He's not running for re-election, so what does he have to lose?

    The others... I'm not so sure.  AR, ND, LA... the right thing is to support equality now.  I'm less willing to trash a Democratic senator from Arkansas for being cautious though. We want to hold on to the senate.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:14:48 AM PDT

  •  Johnson has nothing to lose (4+ / 0-)
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    cosette, pademocrat, wishingwell, JBraden

    He's retiring, so if he personally supports it, he may as well say so publicly.

    Bill Nelson has 6 years before he has to run again and will need the money of gay donors. I expect him to be one of the next ones to endorse publicly, if not the next.

  •  If he didn't he may have risked a primary (0+ / 0-)

    My fiance grew up in Newark, and he's surprised it took this long for Carper. With the state legislature working to pass marriage this year, he was risking being out of step with the Dem establishment in his state.

    It maybe getting to the point where marriage equality is a must for any Dem seeking office.

  •  The steady Drip Drip Drip to the ash heap of (0+ / 0-)


  •  Yet another opportunity for me to point out (1+ / 0-)
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    that my Senator Bill Nelson of Florida is the sneakiest, most wishy-washy member of my party in Washington. And that's saying a lot. Oh, would I ever have loved to see him primaried away by an honest, principled fire-breathing Democrat. Instead his primary opponent last year was a poorly disguised Teabagger. My only hope is that Nelson walks through the revolving door to reap his rewards from the "health" "care" "insurance" "industry." Even that has to wait until we get a Dem governor to appoint a decent human being to replace him.

    Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

    by deben on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:24:52 AM PDT

  •  It really is as simple as the Golden Rule. (0+ / 0-)

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:26:29 AM PDT

  •  Let's Step Away from the Bigot Charge (1+ / 0-)
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    As accurate as it might be.

    These are human beings who have yet to have changed their minds.

    Marriage equality is the future. It is inevitable.

    More than 80% of the population under thirty supports marriage equality.

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:38:03 AM PDT

    •  good idea (1+ / 0-)
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      Another aspect of the Golden Rule.

      To appeal to peoples' better nature -- their sense of fairness -- gives people the "space" they need to evolve.  To label people only provides them the opportunity to live up (or down) to the label.

  •  Mary Landrieu would need (0+ / 0-)

    a exorcism by Gov. Jindal, before she does what is Right.

  •  Carper was the odd one... (0+ / 0-)

    Of the other 7 Democratic Senators, all but Manchin represent states with the other Senator being Republican and (since it isn't Ohio) anti-Gay marriage. And in those 6 states (FL, LA, AR, SD, ND, IN), if the Democratic Senator came out for Marriage Equality, would they be the first state-wide elected official to do so?

    Even though Rockefeller is pro-Marriage Equality, Manchin is very unlikely to change. I honestly believe that he will be the last member of the Democratic Caucus to change and by the time he changes Murkowski, Collins and one or two more will have shifted on the other side.

  •  Anyone Else See This As A Well Thought Out (0+ / 0-)

    Methodical roll out of the issue?

    I smell positioning for '14 big time. They will make equality a big issue in '14. It's about time we welcomed the culture war.  Bring it.

    This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: []

    by Beetwasher on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:40:55 AM PDT

  •  Good for Carper! (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe the rest of the Senate hold-outs (including those embarrassing 7 Democratic Senators) can take a look at states like Massachusetts, which are already doing the right thing, and realize that none of the homophobics' dire predictions have come true.  As this song points out, when you allow marriage equality, "Western Civilization Is Still Intact."

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