Skip to main content

Not just Obama, but all of us.  I voted for Obama over Hillary in the primaries.  I was a reasonably big Obama fan.  I still am.  But just a few months into Obama's second term, it is clear that from a progressive's point of view the key fight will be longevity - - the sheer grinding benefit of time.  And Hillary's election will be crucial to this.

Obama has obvious achievements (preventing a second great depression, Obamacare, Bin Laden, Supreme Court appointments, etc.), and may get one other domestic achievement or so. But increasingly, it is becoming obvious that we have entered a long war - - a fight that extends beyond the typical news cycle, midterm elections, or even presidential term. Although it is depressing, it is reasonable to assume that Republicans' lock-step intransigence means that the principal benefit of an Obama second term presidency will likely be defensive - - stopping a Republican radical agenda.  

Am I raising a white flag? No, not at all.  But the reality is that the right wing/Barry Goldwater/Tea Party Republican wing knows that it is now or never.  They get it, and they are all in.  It is why you see debt ceiling fights, sequesters, fiscal cliffs, government shut down threats, voter id laws, a permanent filibuster, and potential tampering with the electoral college vote system.  It is also why you see the Paul Ryan budget passed right after Paul Ryan got defeated in the last national election.  They get it.  This is an important moment, and they won't get a second chance.  And they are not going to stand down in the next three years.

Dream whatever you want about what Obama could achieve over the next three years.  If Dems lose the next presidential election, a good deal of it will be reversed or thwarted.  But . . . and this explains in part the current Republican feverishness . . . if Hillary Clinton can follow Obama?  16 years of a Democratic presidency may be what is needed to break the Republican "fever."  Not Obama's reelection.

What does this mean for Obama?  It means taking the long view now.  Start paying attention to the mundane aspects of government power.  Nominate judges like crazy.  Seed the appellate bench.  Focus on NLRB appointment fights more than deficit battles. Use the executive branch powers - what can the EPA do about climate change? What can the DOJ do about Wall Street banks? Work with governors on gun control.  Realize that budget "grand bargains" are not just unattainable, but unhelpful right now.  Don't cave on any entitlement "reform" now if there is still time for that issue to play out in a Hillary presidency.  Work on regaining state houses and legislatures.  Pass smart regulations.  Consolidate, defend and set the stage for the next president.

Individual presidents don't like to think this way.  Obama said he would like to be a "transformational" president.  I wish he could be.  But sometimes the challenges are greater than a two term presidency.  Think of FDR.  Obama needs a Hillary presidency, just as Hillary needed the two term Obama presidency before her.  Together, they can do a lot.

Just keep your eye on the sheer grinding benefit of time.  The other side is.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Agree on longevity. (8+ / 0-)

    The Right has been in for the long haul since, well, since forever. Or at least since FDR.

    Not sold yet on Hillary as the best way to achieve it.

    Over the decades, it has struck me that the best way to defeat the Right is to push harder and harder to the left, however one defines that.

    What we don't have, yet, are substantive successes in that direction. Look at the list of Obama accomplishments you present above. A political assassination, rescuing (partially) the economy, regulating the Health Insurers, appointing liberal judges to succeed liberal judges...

    Some very good things, individually, yes, but it hardly forces the agenda so far to the left that the right is irrelevant.

    I'd like to see a next president who is not a representative of the corporate class, one who sees things that could be and asks, why not?

    •  Having said that, (8+ / 0-)

      I couldn't agree more that Obama needs to swamp the GOP with as much change as possible -- from EPA initiatives to court appointments at the appellate level.

      More than just that, though, the rest of us need to continue to work to put progressives in power at the state and local level, and let the right react to us, instead of it being the other way around.

      More progressives at the local levels means more solid progressive candidates in the pipeline all the way up. Make it harder for the right to match that.

      And so it goes. One conversation at a time.

      •  We cannot talk about appointing judges (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        oxon, NewDealer, Deep Texan, Says Who

        without breaking the filibuster. As the Diarist says, the Republicans know that, and will double down.

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:20:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  In case you hadn't noticed, (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        corvo

        BO does not by any means represent or promote any significant change, and what he is trying to change is going to destroy the democratic party [I'm talking soc sec here].

        BO?  Swamp the repubs with change?  He is far too busy trying to get them to support their own platform.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:15:54 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Worse, he's giving them an opportunity (0+ / 0-)

          to radicalize their own agenda.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:24:49 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  You nailed it, oxon! ;-) (0+ / 0-)
      I'd like to see a next president who is not a representative of the corporate class, . . .

      Mollie

      "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


      hiddennplainsight

      by musiccitymollie on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:16:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's another Democrat that is needed, (14+ / 0-)

    not necessarily Hillary. And it's all of us that need this, not just Barack Obama. The best way for the policies promted on this site to be realized is for more and better Democrats to be elected, basically (which is our mission statement).

    •  Depends on the Democrat (5+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      corvo, dfarrah, CTDemoFarmer, PhilJD, Bisbonian

      We have to stop being blinded to the dangers some of the Democrats.  Now, I agree that's not a concern of this site.  Get the best Democrat but any Democrat will do is essentially the message.  

      Not good enough for me anymore.  I am focused on where each candidate is on the issues that matter to me and it's high time we all began to hold them accountable for our issues.

      We've done the more and better thing for what a decade or more? Now, we need to make a greater effort to hold them accountable.  If we've delivered for them, what have they done for us?  

      •  Agreed -- we need to get away from corporatist (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        tardis10, ffour, CTDemoFarmer, Bisbonian

        liberal Republicans like the Clintons and Obama.  Bill "reformed" welfare almost out of existence and his economic advisors promoted the deregulation of the banks and markets that was one major causes of the crash.  Obama gave us non-universal health-care coverage without a public option that is a welfare program for the insurance industry, an inadequate stimulus program with no follow-up, a false deficit/debt crisis narrative, total failure to prosecute the banksters, almost no help for underwater homeowners, and an apparently neurotic (or just plain stupidly uninformed) compulsion to cut Social Security that is going to kill Dems in 2014 if it reaches fruition and maybe even if it doesn't.  Why would anybody expect anything better from Hilary?

        If Hilary's nominated, I'll vote for her for all the obvious reasons -- the same reasons I voted for Obama last November.  But I intend to contribute to and work hard for anybody to her left who challenges her for the nomination.

        "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

        by Oliver St John Gogarty on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:16:28 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  you forgot to mention his record (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          tardis10, ffour, Bisbonian

          on prosecuting war crimes . . . but I do realize there's so little time to list everything. n:-)

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:25:58 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  If you have another option, tell us? (3+ / 0-)

      Hillary will crush even Christie, women will vote her in

      I see no one else
      I see a GOP pres and congress and the end of free people

      •  This woman (5+ / 0-)

        Is tired of being told that I will vote for Hillary because she is a woman.  I would not have voted for Margaret Thatcher.  I am waiting to see where she stands on the issues that are fundamental to me and if she is as bad on "entitlement reform" as Obama she will not have my vote.

        •  My goal is protecting my daughter from the GOP (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Deep Texan

          and if they win the presidency wtih the GOP congress, things get bad

          •  We're already getting the GOP (5+ / 0-)

            of the Reagan Administration now.  It's called "the Democratic Party."

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 09:32:06 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Safety net issues are women's issues (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Bisbonian, musiccitymollie

            Few issues are more important to women than Social Security and Medicare because we live longer and may out live our assets.   This then burdens our children, usually our daughters as they in their sandwich generation years are caring for both their own mothers and their own children.   And our daughters as young women may not have great financial resources if they are hit with problem pregnancies or children with special needs.  

            It's the easiest thing in the world for a Democrat to talk the talk on women's issues.  You have a right to abortion etc.  But if they are not DELVIVERING on healthcare, Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, and other issues related to caring for our families you might as well elect a Republican because few rights have much practical meaning without the infrastructure to support their exercise.

  •  America needs (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Aramis Wyler, Bisbonian

    to retire,

    the Party of Obstinance.


    That could take a while.

    Since they still think they are in charge.

    •  The Grand Obstinate Party. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      bearian, ahumbleopinion

      It is going to be a long fight, if you look at it as a fight, and that's ok because it is.  One thing I notice though is that Democrats are trying to stay in power by trying to do a good job governing.  Republicans are trying to be in power by defeating Democrats.  People see this, and all but the most blind can see that a republican victory is a hollow one even if you lean that way, because they are not trying to govern.

      I only comment because I think it is important to remember that doing a good job governing is more important than beating your opponents despite the obvious difficulty of governing if you lost.  As soon as you decide that winning is more important than governing, you become like the republicans are now - thrashing out their death throes fighing against their opponents instead of trying to out-govern them.

      “In the Soviet Union, capitalism triumphed over communism. In this country, capitalism triumphed over democracy.” - Fran Lebowitz

      by Aramis Wyler on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:56:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Correct. However, when doing good involves (0+ / 0-)

        doing what people who don't know what they want say they want, we've got a big problem.
        Take the "welfare reform" that was accomplished by Clinton at the Republicans' behest. It's not Clinton's fault that the Republican definition of "reform" is the same as "renewal" in urban renewal -- i.e. get rid of the welfare and the urban populations. However, we should have learned that people who are into exercising authority and punishing disobedience have no use for the obligations enumerated in the Constitution to be carried out by public servants. Authority expects to be served, not to serve; to rule, not to be ruled.

        Perhaps it's not correct to say Republicans don't know what they want to do. They want to rule, to give orders and to have someone else take them. Which is why Willard describing himself as a giver and the working people as takers was accurate. That there is something wrong with this social arrangement doesn't even occur to the job creators.

        Doing the will of these people is a bad idea.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:10:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Lets nip this idea in the bud, (11+ / 0-)

    that Hillary is a progressive. She is not and while I will support her run if she runs I fully expect the progressives to start complaining almost immediately if she elected, just about the same way most did and continue to do with Obama.

    She is a moderate Democrat.

    If you are against sane gun regulations then by definition you support 30,000 deaths a year by firearms.

    by jsfox on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:43:05 AM PDT

  •  President Obama broke the paradigm. (8+ / 0-)

    He won both elections by forging a new coalition -- a coalition that our party's next nominee needs to build on.

    In 2008 and 2012, Obama would have won without a single Southern state. Now, of course, it was nice to win NC and VA and FL in 2008 and two of the three in 2012, but the reality is that he would have been victorious both times had he lost the entire region.

    Does Hillary Clinton build on this coalition, or does she revert back to appealing to the so-called "Reagan Democrats"?

    The Democratic Party is the party of the future. Ms. Clinton is of the past.

    We need to build on what's begun.

    Having said that, I think she was an excellent SOS and clearly does well off-camera communicating with people.

    But she proved abundantly in 2007 and 2008 that she's a horrible politician and doesn't communicate well on-camera. Do you really think that skill set has improved in the last five years?

    Let's keep going forward.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:53:00 AM PDT

    •  Horrible Politician?! (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      merrywidow, dfarrah, JamieG from Md

      Heh, heh.  I am not the biggest fan of Hillary Clinton, but just because you don't win doesn't make you a horrible politician.  Please, there are scores of horrible politicians out there, and Hillary is not among them.  Hillary clinton is a great politician, even if she is not as great as some of her peers.

      “In the Soviet Union, capitalism triumphed over communism. In this country, capitalism triumphed over democracy.” - Fran Lebowitz

      by Aramis Wyler on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:00:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Back when her husband was president... (6+ / 0-)

        she was put in charge of getting healthcare legislation passed. She was a disaster politically.

        As a senator, she voted yes for the Iraq war because she knew she was going to be running for president in 2008, and her vote was a political calculation -- and a horrible one.

        And, when she ran in 2008, she was "The Inevitable," with money and name recognition her opponents could only dream of.

        I remember reading that when she was First Lady, her core staff stayed in place for eight years, which is no doubt indicative of her decency and ability to communicate one-on-one.

        And, as I said above, she was an excellent SOS -- again, working with people well on a one-on-one basis.

        But, no, as a politician in the public arena, she's just horrible. Inexplicably, she completely lacks the deftness that her husband has in abundance.

        How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

        by BenderRodriguez on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:08:55 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Although the closed-door work on HillaryCare (5+ / 0-)

          was a PR disaster, and although Republicans guided by Bill Kristol did everything they could to sink it, it only failed in the end because Progressives in Congress refused to compromise. Twenty years later, ObamaCare isn't significantly better.

          Now, when we deal with the filibuster and the gerrymander, and outwait Scalia, we can talk about the Public Option or even Single Payer. Whether or not Hillary is President.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:31:54 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  if not mistaken, it failed in the end because (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Deep Texan

            progressives in congress refused to even pick up and read Hillary's healthcare bill - a political hot potato

            "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

            by Sybil Liberty on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:16:38 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  What was there to read? (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Bisbonian

              It was a corporate bailout then; it's a corporate bailout now.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:27:19 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  Yeah, the double standard (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            corvo, Kickemout

            here is amusing.

            Healthcare was a disaster because of Hillary, yet when BO sold out, it was because nobody would 'let' him win.  Poor BO....he was just so outflanked by everyone...it wasn't his fault that no one would let him lead....

            The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

            by dfarrah on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:20:44 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  1992 and 1996 (0+ / 0-)

      To edit your comment:

      In [1992] and [1996], [Bill Clinton] would have won without a single Southern state. Now, of course, it was nice to win [AR, GA, KY, LA & TN] in [1992] and [AR, FL, KY, LA & TN] in [1996], but the reality is that he would have been victorious both times had he lost the entire region.
  •  Hillary needs an Obama Presidency (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jasan, JamieG from Md, Deep Texan

    If OFA can take back the House, the right will not even bother to run a reasonable candidate in 14. The fact is that the religious right is splitting off. A Hispanic candidate (however Cuban) will not lure them. And American Hispanics are NOT that stupid; they know the difference between the political perspective of a Cuban (whose "path to citizenship" begins as soon as his foot hits the shore) and a Mexican, Dominican or Haitian.

    Don't necessarily assume that Hillary's politics are exactly the same as Bill's. They put on a good show, but my bet is that deep down there is an independent and less fiscally jaundiced Hill in there.

  •  A Hillary candidacy means an automatic vote (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    FutureNow, corvo, Illinibeatle

    for a third party on my part. I'm sick of right wing Dems.

    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:51:14 AM PDT

  •  What America needs . . . (5+ / 0-)

    is to stop the Grand Bargain from taking place which would prevent the top 1 percent from pillaging the over 2 trillion in securities which the rest of us have accrued.

    We need to stop the Keystone pipeline to have any hope of having a livable planet in my children's lifetime.

    We need to stop the Trans Pacific Partnership to prevent the American middle class and financial and environmental regulations from being sacrificed to appease our corporate overloads.

    What we need is a progressive to prosecute Wall St law breaking, expand Medicare into a single payer health plan, eliminate high stake testing educational programs like Race to the Top, and actually protect the interests of middle class America instead of collecting fat paychecks after leaving office by giving lucrative speeches, writing books etc.

    We need someone the DLC, DCCC, and Wall St. won't approve.

    We need Elizabeth Warren.

    "The working class mind is strange and unpredictable" -- Ty Lookwell

    by Illinibeatle on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:03:55 AM PDT

    •  Elizabeth Warren... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Bisbonian

      too good for politics

      Yes, we need her nevertheless.

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:22:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I guess I could settle for her (0+ / 0-)

      but she's still too hawkish (*cough Middle East) for my comfort zone.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:29:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What America needs is a higher tax on rentiers (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    corvo

    This 11 % or 18 % needs to go up to what wage-earners pay - 15, 33 % etc.

  •  Chris Matthews couldn't make Hillary (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Quicklund, tardis10, KayCeSF, askew

    "inevitable" in 2008. I don't think his chances are much better for 2016.

    maybe Matthews should just sit down and STFU

    maybe they all should

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:24:30 AM PDT

  •  Hillary (6+ / 0-)

    I am appalled by the gathering concensus that Hillary is going to be our nominee in 2016. She was a DREADFUL candidate in 2012: tone deaf, self-rghteous and self-important, she raditated entitlement and expected a coronation, not a contest, and what she got was a well-deserved comeuppance.
    As an elderly black man once said to me when I was working in civil rights in Atlanta in the 1960's, "There's something in that catfood that the cats just don't like."
    Everyone talks about her"electability." Didn't we hear that  ad nauseum in 2012? How about the huge load of baggage that she drags behind her like a lead weight ?  How about all the Billary scandals that we'll have to hear about --again, ad nauseum? (Are you up for yet another iteration of the Tale of Monica Lewinsky? Do you think the Republican nominee will ignore that particularly ugly sleeping dog?)  She is apparently a compulsive liar: remberer "I was under fire at the Saravejo airport?" Do you think the Republican nominee will ignore that, and many other, Hillary Whoppers?
    Hillary was no doubt a competent SOS-- but nothing more. As one of the Kossaks said above, she s the voice of the past: she's the LAST person in the world who should be the nominee to appeal to newly enfranchised Hispanics, the young, and other new Democratic voters --or even to old lefties like me.
    Hillary is a profoundly divisive figure who no doubt inspires a certain hysterical loyalty in some circles, but she also inspires tremendous animosity, even in Democratic ranks (see many of the comments above!)
    We need a new face  - preferably a new YOUNG face-- and that face is NOT that of the tired, aging, and heavily compromised Hillary Clinton.
    Go Elizabeth Warren!

  •  Will she support a path to citizenship? She should (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Deep Texan

    Say she will and do it now.

  •  Good diary (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Deep Texan

    I agree.

  •  OBAMA! --- Eew! (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary --- Swoon

    It's "President Obama" and "Sen Clinton", thank you. I might have read your diary if you wrote like a serious person.

  •  Yes, he does, because (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    corvo, Bisbonian

    a Hillary presidency might make the Obama presidency look better.

    •  ^^ possibly the best comment (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Bisbonian

      to this diary so far . . .

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 09:04:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  agreed. Can't believe more people haven't thought (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        corvo

        so, too.

        "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

        by Bisbonian on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 11:48:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Although quite frankly (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Bisbonian

          watching Quicklund and Armando fling *oo at each other is entertaining if one is jaded enough.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 11:50:49 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  possibly true (0+ / 0-)

    i think you are right.  however, we can't predict the future.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 09:41:47 AM PDT

  •  Longevity with respect to SCOTUS (0+ / 0-)

    I keep thinking that Scalia can't hold on forever. I competely understand why Hillary may not be our preferred candidate, but I would love to see her get the opportunity to replace that scumbag Scalia with a more Liberal justice.

    I'm pro-choice, pro-affirmative action, pro-environment, pro-universal health care, pro-labor, and unabashedly Liberal!

    by Liberal and Loving It on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:10:33 AM PDT

  •  Why Hillary? It would be nice to have a Dem win (0+ / 0-)

    in 2016 and Hillary is probably the strongest candidate. But she's not the only one who can win and her policy positions are not exactly the greatest.

  •  New Hillary developments reported (0+ / 0-)

    Several Hillary candidacy developments this week. See the Daily Beast today under Politics.

    Progressive influences are to be hoped. Who knows.

    FOR GOOD DAILY KOS LINKS see the Home Page link on my profile page. Updated daily.

    by catfoodnation on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 11:37:47 AM PDT

    •  If we haven't learned by now (0+ / 0-)

      that "hope" is a swear word, we never will, I imagine.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 12:11:47 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hard to imagine an alternative (0+ / 0-)

    The party is short of strong prospects. Hillary is a true political phenom. A poll this week shows her winning TEXAS against all possible opponents. Imagine that! And winning Florida against any Republican BY DOUBLE DIGITS.

    As others noted, we should build up a strong party at the local level nationwide, for local races. ASAP and forever. Democrats are dangerously weak in that regard, and we let many bad things happen as a result. We must make amends and pronto. See the Harris County Tx link at my website page for one good example.

    FOR GOOD DAILY KOS LINKS see the Home Page link on my profile page. Updated daily.

    by catfoodnation on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 12:24:53 PM PDT

  •  America needs an Elizabeth Warren-Bernie Sanders (0+ / 0-)

    White House...

    "that sucker shot at me John; I know it's his pistol but his mom and I thought we had all the bullets and the firing pin removed"... from a friends joke "As far as we can tell!"

    by leepearson on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 07:31:27 PM PDT

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site