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We all have our weaknesses, one of mine happens to be muscle cars. Which over my fifty year lifetime has meant oil-powered carbon-spewing road monsters. But it doesn't have to be that way, and in fact it cannot remain that way. So it's good to see people trying:

The two-seat, $135,000 SP:01 has a top speed of 155 miles per hour and can go from zero to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds, the same as BMW's high-performance M5 sedan. Detroit Electric says it will be the world's fastest pure electric production car. ... Its closest competitor, the electric Tesla Model S sedan, goes from zero to 60 in 4.2 seconds and has a top speed of 130 mph.

Detroit Electric said the SP:01 can go for an estimated 190 miles between battery charges. A home charging station can fully charge the car in a little more than four hours.

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Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:00 AM PDT.

Also republished by SciTech.

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  •  I hope everyone understands (7+ / 0-)

    that an electric motor can and will always beat an internal combustion on acceleration.

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:06:54 AM PDT

    •  All other things being equal, usually (0+ / 0-)

      There's far too many factors for that to be a universal though. Power to weight, mapping (Electrics can and are mapped as well as ICEs) gearing, type of ICE, suspension, and even the tires. And that's assuming the vehicles are the same weight, use the same body, and the motors are of equal power.

      First they came for the farm workers, and I said nothing.

      by Hannibal on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:29:24 AM PDT

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    •  Oh really ? (0+ / 0-)



      Drop the name-calling MB 2/4/11 + Please try to use ratings properly! Kos 9/9/11

      by indycam on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:24:04 PM PDT

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      •  I don't count turbines as internal combustions. (0+ / 0-)

        And if you make an electric motor that weighs as much as those 500+ cc blocks you will have acceleration much faster than the dragster. Especially at those ratios.

        Electric is virtually no friction. And the physical process of combustion itself takes time.

        "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 04:48:50 PM PDT

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        •  ... (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.britannica.com/...

          Any of a class of internal-combustion engines that propel aircraft by means of the rearward discharge of a jet of fluid,...

          Drop the name-calling MB 2/4/11 + Please try to use ratings properly! Kos 9/9/11

          by indycam on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:12:26 PM PDT

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        •  ... (0+ / 0-)

          7,000 horsepower 500 ci nitro , complete engine 496 lbs (225 kg)

          7,000 horsepower electric motor
          http://www.launchpnt.com/...

          Currently, commercial off-the-shelf electric motors are designed for high efficiency, but have power densities on the order of only 0.1 Horse Power per pound (HP/lb). Electric motors developed for use in aircraft propulsion, on the other hand, have power densities between 1 and 2 HP/lb, while direct-drive electric motors can attain power densities greater than 5 HP/lb only through increased operating speeds. The DARPA program goals significantly extend the state of the art in electric motors by seeking the design of a 7 HP, high-efficiency (>95 percent), electric motor with a power density greater than 5 HP/lb at an operating speed below 10,000 RPM.
          7000/5 = 1400lbs plus batteries

          Drop the name-calling MB 2/4/11 + Please try to use ratings properly! Kos 9/9/11

          by indycam on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:18:24 PM PDT

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          •  Motors for transportation applications (0+ / 0-)

            don't just come off the shelf.

            Horsepower and rate of acceleration / BTW

            "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

            by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:32:11 PM PDT

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            •  So do the work , (0+ / 0-)

              design on paper the electric motor with batteries that can beat the best top fuel dragster .
              Spec out the motor , hp and weight , spec out the battery pack , volts , amps , weight . Spec out the wires to connect the batteries to the motor , weight etc .
              How much does your car weigh ?

              Show your work .
              ...........................................

              Lotus Evora Performance Specifications.
              Lotus Evora Top Speed: The Lotus Evora GTE 3.5 V6 - [2012] has a top speed of 170 mph (273.5 kph)
              Lotus Evora Acceleration: This Evora reaches 0 to 60 mph (96.6 kph) in 3.8 seconds.
              The two-seat, $135,000 SP:01 has a top speed of 155 miles per hour and can go from zero to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds,
              Oops , the electric stops accelerating at 155 and the Lotus keeps on accelerating up to 170 .
              ...........................................
              http://www.thesupercars.org/...
              Fastest Cars by Acceleration: Top 10 List

              Now lets talk about Acceleration out of a corner .
              .........................................
              http://www.nedra.com/...

              6.940
              http://www.nhra.com/...
              3.701
              ..........................................
              I hope everyone understands (7+ / 0-)

              that an electric motor can and will always beat an internal combustion on acceleration.

              by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:06:54 AM PDT

              In reality , the internal combustion engine is still fastest in
              "acceleration" on the street , track , strip , air and water .

              Drop the name-calling MB 2/4/11 + Please try to use ratings properly! Kos 9/9/11

              by indycam on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:24:00 AM PDT

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  •  Blaming music for the evils of society (6+ / 0-)

    I'm too old for that BS to work, sorry.  

    When I was in junior high and high school, it was heavy metal that was going to turn us into drug-abusing Satanists, or simply compel us to commit suicide.  Needless to say, it didn't.  

    So why should I believe it when you con-servative liars trot out the same old boogeyman (adding video games to the mix this time) and make it into the reason for gun violence?  Do you think we're stupid?

    •  When I was in junior high and high school (8+ / 0-)

      it was Rock-n-Roll that was going to send all the nation's youth to hell.  Elvis Presley was a moral outrage, and the entire popular music scene was ditching the righteous music of Benny Goodman and Patti Page for pelvic-shaking performances of Elvis and long-haired hippies like the Stones.  And then there were the black artists and groups from Motown taking over the radio airwaves and being featured on the Ed Sullivan show.  And all that filthy dancing on American Bandstand!  It was a horror!

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:40:59 AM PDT

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    •  It's easier to blame something like that (1+ / 0-)
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      Hatrax

      Than to actually examine the problems. Like the anti-porn crusaders who blame all the evils of the world on pornography.

      First they came for the farm workers, and I said nothing.

      by Hannibal on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:31:40 AM PDT

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  •  I read about this new approach to fusion (6+ / 0-)

    I read about about this new approach to fusion yesterday and was wondering what you thought about it? If such a thing proves possible and practical it would be paradigm shifting. I mean, though this is meant as a propulsion system, I'm sure a fast moving, very hot plasma could be pretty easily adapted to generate electricity too.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:09:43 AM PDT

  •  Detroit Electric is just copying Tesla Roadster. (4+ / 0-)
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    Too bad - it's a cool name.  If only the people who now own it had an imagination.

    Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

    by Troubadour on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:11:48 AM PDT

    •  You have to start somewhere (0+ / 0-)

      And with new cars, it's VERY difficult to start "low end" and expect to reach "high end" (which generally gives you much higher profit margins per unit sold) later.

      IF Detroit Electric survives a couple of years and gets favorable reviews with their roadster, they might be able to go "down market" with more affordable offerings. How they do "stage two" will be a better indication of their capacity for imagination from my perspective.

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:20:52 AM PDT

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    •  I like the Tesla (0+ / 0-)

      but electric cars have been around since the dawn of the automobile.

      They were quite popular with women drivers, because hand-cranking an early gasoline engine was difficult and quite dangerous.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 12:33:33 PM PDT

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  •  Whoa! That is an ugly fast car IMHO (3+ / 0-)
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    Surely there are out of work designers in Detroit.

    We all stand submissively before the global ATM machine network like trained chickens pecking the correct colored buttons to release our grains of corn. Joe Bageant

    by Zwoof on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:11:59 AM PDT

    •  Speaking of ugly, did you click on the (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Aunt Pat

      "big hairy spiders" link?  I did, because I'm not afraid of spiders - but Yikes!  At least they're not in this country, yet, but it's only a matter of time I betcha.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:53:18 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks DarkSyde nt (2+ / 0-)
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  •  fuck. why did i click it. I AM NOT a fan of (5+ / 0-)

    giant hairy spiders.

    You warned me.

    I clicked anyway.

    Now I'm squicked out.

    •  "I looked at the trap, Ray!" (3+ / 0-)
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      Hannibal, Major Kong, Gemina13

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:28:47 AM PDT

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    •  Was actually a beautiful spider, I thought (1+ / 0-)
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      Gemina13

      Not exactly what I'd call cuddly, but the markings, and the picture as a whole, was quite beautiful. But this will make you feel better.

      First they came for the farm workers, and I said nothing.

      by Hannibal on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:40:23 AM PDT

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      •  great video, thanks (1+ / 0-)
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        Gemina13

        makes me long for the day (it will come) when we humans can't interfere with the natural order.

      •  "Pokie" tarantulas (0+ / 0-)

        Are really big in exotic pet stores.  People who own them say they're among the most docile of big spiders.  The tiger tarantula of Sri Lanka may be fast and venomous, but it's not going to build a web and swing down into your face--in fact, if it saw a human, it would probably emit the spider equivalent of a terrified scream and run for cover among the leaves.

        The markings are pretty.  (Yes, I looked.  *shudder*)  But I'm not going to be climbing any trees at all in Sri Lanka.  Or Micronesia, where the giant huntsman lives.  Or . . . pretty much anywhere that big spiders go.  Period.

        Hope is a good thing--maybe the best of things--and no good thing ever dies.

        by Gemina13 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 12:41:17 PM PDT

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  •  Hey Google! Come on down! (4+ / 0-)

    San Antonio is only 90 miles south of Austin, and we need Google fiber even more than Austin.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:31:07 AM PDT

  •  Details on the NASA 2014 budget leaking (6+ / 0-)

    (thanks to Bill Nelson)

    Obama to accerlate NASA mission to lasso an asteroid

    We'll find out for sure very soon, but it does look potentially interesting (although it depends on the Senate Launch System, which I wouldn't bet on arriving on time

  •  Woah, that printer destructo scene, (3+ / 0-)
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    GREAT!
    The giant tarantula article, though, the author uses both venomous and poisonous referring to the face-sized Pokey. Usually, our tarantulas are less harmful the bigger they are. I mean, they have teeth that can bite you but not much venom needed. It's the smaller ones that are venomous cause they need to be.
    But a spider, like a snake, can be "poisonous" only if you eat it and get sick or die.

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes
    No representation without taxation. Rich and don't pay? Shut up.
    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:44:55 AM PDT

    •  Huh? You don't need to eat a snake (1+ / 0-)
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      to be poisoned by its venom.  I've never eaten a snake, but I have been bitten by a poisonous one, and the effect is definitely "poisonous."

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:56:57 AM PDT

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      •  Just pointing out the difference. (1+ / 0-)
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        Gemina13

        You can eat rattlesnake meat because the snake itself is not "poisonous," the snake is venomous. If you ate the venom sac of a rattler it would poison you with venom, but its meat would not, therefore the snake itself is not poisonous, but is still called venomous because of what it delivers in its bite.
        We used to have this debate when I edited natural science topics. Same as you can eat the flesh of a puffer fish as long as the poison it carries is cut away properly.

        "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes
        No representation without taxation. Rich and don't pay? Shut up.
        Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

        by OleHippieChick on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:15:50 AM PDT

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  •  The ruling on the morning after pill has sent (7+ / 0-)

    the ALEC commandoes into rabid teleconferencing to see what new state legislation can countermand the ruling or do an end-around of it.  Watch for the rightwing embrace of the burka which they'll hail as part of their new inclusiveness.  For these guys when "principles" collide, always opt for the more oppressive.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:47:15 AM PDT

  •  "The itsy bitsy.......Oh God no! Aieeee!" (1+ / 0-)
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    Hannibal

    Scariest critter Ive seen since the ALIEN facehugger the article compares it to. Wish I could have one parked on the front stoop. It would probably work wonders with bill collectors, private detectives, and Jehovah's Witnesses.

  •  also, when he wasn't proposing cuts to things like (0+ / 0-)

    medicare, the president announced an ambitious Brain Initiative. I am biased of course, but that made this week in science the best for me!

    brains!

    here are some astrocytes:

    kissing astrocytes

    "None of us got where we are solely by pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps" Thurgood Marshall

    by UTvoter on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:45:05 AM PDT

  •  To own that Vehicle ! (0+ / 0-)

    would be awesome !

  •  Marilyn Mansion article (0+ / 0-)

    is outstanding.  I have never read it before and surprised it was written back in 1999.

    Still relevant today.

    "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

    by statsone on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:58:39 AM PDT

  •  Well, I can now cross Sri Lanka off my bucket list (0+ / 0-)

    Diving with sharks, check.

    Body-surfing 15-foot waves in a hurricane, check.

    Walking under trees with fast, venemous 8-inch tarantula look-alikes in them?  Are you f'in high?

    Proof that insight does not change behavior.  A retired therapist, I know all about the psychoanalytic theories of the origin spider phobias and even think they may have some validity.  But the picture of that freakin' monster still gives me the willies.  If I saw it in person in situ at my age, I'd probably go into cardiac arrest.

    "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

    by Oliver St John Gogarty on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:05:11 AM PDT

  •  Meanwhile... (0+ / 0-)

    Fisker Automotive is all but bankrupt, most everyone is being laid off, employees are filing a lawsuit, and people are proclaming it to be the next Solyndra.

    Can the greenies please stop their war on cars now? As long as there are video games like Forza Motorsport, TV shows like Top Gear and magazines like Hot Rod, there will be people who love to enjoy the drive and love high horsepower machines.

    Deal with it.

  •  Car worship and climate "concern" all in the... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...same few paragraphs.

    It's how one can tell one is at Daily Kos.

    This, they say, is "science."

  •  Thanks for the giant tarantula article (0+ / 0-)

    I may never sleep again.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 12:35:12 PM PDT

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