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With all the damage that the Republican Party has been doing since 2002, we could go down the list:

-Iraq War
-Saying they're conservative yet they vote for continued funding for the Iraq War and allow President Bush to run up the biggest debts in history.
-Almost no oversight on the Iraq War except from the Democratic Party and, you guessed it, Ron Paul.  And of course Lincoln Chafee.
-Sarah Palin
-Dick Cheney, Halliburton and the Neoconservatives during the Bush years
-The party's continued reliance on the religious far right for funding.
-The Tea Party
-War on women
-Michelle Bachmann
-The Sequester, Debt Ceiling, "Fiscal cliff"
-Continued insistence on no this, no that
-The rejection of the Disabilities Treaty while a disabled Bob Dole is in the Senate.
-Lack of real ideas
-Lack of ideas that actually work
-Lack of input
-No compromise
-Lack of embracing real immigration reform
-Limited diversity or zero diversity at all
-Embracing of Paul Ryan's Un-American budgets and worshipping Ryan while he has a superficial loving to Rage Against the Machine while the band's beliefs and content are contrary to Ryan's beliefs
-Continued resistance to vote for gun control legislation on background checks even while the Newton murders
-Reince Priebus being re-elected as RNC Chairman even though the GOP lost serious ground in 2012
-The game playing in the House and the Senate in the debt ceiling debate that cost the U.S.
-Continued denial of climate change and global warming even while evidence is already proven from NASA and scientists all around the world
-Lack of embracing gay rights and marriage equality.

I could go on and on but I'm not.  I will point out this marvelous commentary by good ol' Fred Barnes, who seems to be under the impression that things ARE in fact looking up for the GOP in 2014.

Yes, he actually believes it!  With all the damage that has been happening since 2010 and even prior, Mr. Barnes really believes 2014 is looking up for the GOP.

Things are looking up for Republicans. President Obama’s agenda is collapsing before our eyes. Obama is pointing to the 2014 midterm elections to capture the House and revive his presidency. “My job is not simply to occupy the Oval Office,” he said at a San Francisco fundraiser. “My job is to make sure we move the country forward, and I think we can best do that if Nancy Pelosi is speaker of the House once again.” Obama said Pelosi is “thought ful” and “visionary” and “never lets ideology cloud her judgment.”

In 2014, Obama will be playing on Republican turf. The prospects of putting Pelosi back in charge are slim. Democrats would need to net 17 House seats. But the outlook at the moment is that Republicans could gain as many as 5 or 6 seats. Or more if the six-year itch takes hold, punishing Obama midway through his second term. The average sixth-year pickup by the “out” party since 1934 is 28 seats.

Republicans have a better chance of winning the Senate than Democrats have of taking back the House. But skepticism that Republicans can pull this off is warranted, since they blew easy chances to grab the Senate in 2010 and 2012. Yet the opportunity is there in 2014. A net of six seats is required, and seven Democrats in red states are either retiring or seeking reelection.

There’s a wild card in 2014—Obama. Presidents normally don’t inject themselves in sixth-year midterms as aggressively as Obama is promising to do. Few Democrats will want him to campaign personally for them. That’s not where he can help. But on fundraising, turnout, and shaping the issues in 2014, he might.

Ahhh, well, Barnes seems to be forgetting one thing:

Yes, it appears no one in the GOP, even on Fox News or even Fred Barnes (who is also apart of the Fox News bubble) seems to be listening to David Frum, who by the way I may not agree with 100% but he's more intelligent than they are and actually says a lot of observant things about the GOP these days.

But of course, Barnes works for the Weekly Standard, also where neoconservative Bill Kristol works.  That pretty much says it alone.

I'm as against chained CPI as all of Kossacks are and I'm with you guys in calling and sending hand-written letters to President Obama until he gets it off his bill but I'd be a dumbass if think I'm going to fall for 2014 being the year where the GOP wins much if anything in the House.

Does Fred Barnes really deny the power of Daily Kos?  Of course he does.  He's a washed up commentator who lives in the bubble just like all the other Fox News tools.

But you know:  He might just be right.  Just kidding.

Ok folks!  Nothing to see here!  Nothing to see!


Are the Democrats (regardless of Obama or not) going to win in 2014?

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  •  No We Lose the Senate. (11+ / 2-)

    Because the midterms are base-intensive and Dems loathe their base.

    Whatever they do to ramp up turnout efforts in one hand, they will take away from energizing the base with the other hand in policy.

    Prove me wrong, dipshits.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 07:48:15 PM PDT

    •  Hoping for better (0+ / 0-)

      but admitting you may be right.

    •  Chris Hayes said as much the other day... (3+ / 0-)
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      mookins, PhilK, Nattiq

      you're both right: Republicans fear their base, Democrats hate them.

      •  wtf (0+ / 0-)

        dems hate their base? what freakin planet do you live on republicans hate America period

        •  Professional dems have no more use for the (2+ / 0-)
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          mookins, blueoregon

          "people" than professional cons. Popular government -- the people directing representatives -- is anathema to partisans. Partisans want to be in charge. Political parties are hierarchies and committed to preservering the hierarchy. Being at the beck and call of the hoi poloi is the last thing they want.
          "Fifty state strategy" was popular as long as the state parties imagined that their status and resources were going to be enhanced. Going door to door and making nice with voters turned them off. Real grass roots candidates got no support.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 02:19:25 AM PDT

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    •  Agree with everything in the comment except the (0+ / 0-)

      suggestion that anyone who disagrees with it is a "dipshit."

      Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed. --Herman Melville

      by ZedMont on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 08:50:13 AM PDT

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  •  I suspect a lot will be riding on (7+ / 0-)

    the implementation of the ACA.  

    People like Max Baucus are trying to distance themselves from the ACA because they see some implementation problems coming.  

    If enrollment in the exchanges goes smoothly in the fall, if people see some reduction in their health insurance costs, if they those who already had insurance see better access to care during 2014, the Democrats could do very well in November 2014.

    On the other hand, if the exchanges are late or don't function as promised, if insurance premiums go up significantly for those who had insurance (or if they lose employer-paid insurance) and if access for those who had insurance before becomes more difficult, the Democrats will pay for that in November 2014.  

    The ACA is probably the most significant piece of legislation, in terms of directly affecting the vast majority of voters directly, that we've had in decades.  And everyone knows that 2014 is the year the benefits are supposed to kick in.  Because it was passed on a purely partisan basis, the Democrats own it.  If it delivers as promised in 2014, Democrats will benefit.  If people who had insurance before the ACA see things as being significantly more expensive for them, or if they see access as worse, it will go badly for Democrats, I think.

    •  It does look like it's going (1+ / 0-)
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      to cost more money than originally planned, because of the several states that refuse to set up exchanges, so the feds will have to step in.
      We might as well realize that roll out will not be perfect and take longer than expected. Still, I think once they figure out the right formulas for exchanges, and things do start rolling, it will be a lot better than the current status quo.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:14:53 AM PDT

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    •  Totally right (0+ / 0-)

      except for one addition - it must also appear right or wrong.

  •  over in Wingertopia, the meme is making the (7+ / 0-)

    How many Americans died from foreign terrorist attacks on American soil from 9/12/2001-12/30/2010?
    answer: 0

    How many Americans died from foreign terrorist attacks on American soil since 12/30/2010?
    answer: 4

    Followup is: so who kept Americans safer, GWB or Obama?

    This is so slanted as to be comical but wait for it to catch on with the vast Winger Wurlitzer

    •  Credit Where Due, Smart Enough to Say "Foreign" nt (3+ / 0-)
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      entlord, skohayes, Linda1961

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 08:35:40 PM PDT

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      •  Not to mention a selective use of calendars with (5+ / 0-)

        regard to presidential terms...

        "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

        by Jack K on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 08:39:25 PM PDT

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        •  That was a comical attempt even before Obama was (7+ / 0-)

          Reelected. The illogical meme that somehow Bush's record of "keeping America safe" begins AFTER 9/11. And if John Muhhomed and Lee Boyd Malvo don't count as terrorists, then why should the Tsarnaev brothers, assuming they acted alone?

          •  Which doesn't work even then (1+ / 0-)
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            People forget about the anthrax attacks, and the 5 people that died.

            The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on Tuesday, September 18, 2001, one week after the September 11 attacks. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two Democratic U.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others. According to the FBI, the ensuing investigation became "one of the largest and most complex in the history of law enforcement"

            “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

            by skohayes on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:09:22 AM PDT

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      •  at any rate it appears immigration reform is (1+ / 0-)
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        derailed as wingers are now trying to tie Chechen terrorists to the Mexican Mafia and Benghazi and Hizbullah.  I am expecting Beck any minute now............

    •  Damn convenient that they start with 9/12/2001. (1+ / 0-)
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      Minnesota Deb

      Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed. --Herman Melville

      by ZedMont on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 08:48:35 AM PDT

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  •  Does Fred mean that this is (3+ / 0-)
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    RamblinDave, skohayes, Berkeley Fred

    good news for John McCain?

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 09:03:57 PM PDT

  •  Whose Fred Barnes? (0+ / 0-)

    Does he do stuff w/ that great oracle, Sean Hannity?

    I'll have to Google Fred.  Maybe later.

  •  Fred Barnsmell, stinks just like the GOP. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Hey, I happen to like (0+ / 0-)

      the smell of barns! At least manure has value as a fertilizer, Fred Barnes' toxic emissions, not so much.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:10:42 AM PDT

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  •  I'm not a fan of (1+ / 0-)
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    Fred Barnes -- however, as pure empirical prognostication, he's hemming pretty close to what any neutral expert would say at this point. Clinton is the only president since the House stopped growing to gain seats during his 6th year, and those were extraordinary circumstances (best economy in ages + impeachment backlash). Absent something like that, it seems reasonable that 2014 would perform near historical averages.

    As for the Senate, Democrats have the worst exposure we've seen in most of our lifetimes -- that's the flip side winning a bunch of seats on Republican turf in 2008.

    I agree with you about all of the things Republicans have done that would seemingly disqualify them from major-party status. However, most of those predate 2010, and they still managed to pick up 63 seats. Midterms generally hinge on the economy and presidential approval.

    Hope you fall on your burger and fries.

    by cardinal on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 09:54:10 PM PDT

    •  Right but this time, the GOP is losing steam (1+ / 0-)
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      And very rapidly.  How else can this explain why the GOP has such difficult in building its base in California, which is becoming more blue every year.  The Democrats just picked up the most House seats in California than even the 2006 Midterm elections.  That's saying a lot.

  •  Gop cannot get much lower (0+ / 0-)

    they cannot get much lower as human beings and as American citizens so i guess that there is only one way up, but i doubt it, they are getting more and more extreme , who wants a party that cannot tell the truth to the american people and who hate America by trying to bankrupt it and leave its most vulnerable citizens w/o any kind of safety net, their policy..Let them all suffer and die.

  •  "The Power of Positive Thinking" (0+ / 0-)

    I never considered before the signficance of people not using adjectives and adverbs. When the main words in that phrase are all nouns, the meaning is entirely transformed. Not only is there power in thought, but the negative, which some people do not understand is left out. The Party of No is actually made up of people who do not understand what 'no' means in the sense of it being something to avoid. 'No" signals opposition to them and serves as a prompt to forcefully resist. Period.

    Note that the main body of the Constitution is written in a positive frame -- giving directions like a cook book. The Amendment, on the other hand, are prohibitive, telling agents of government what they may/must NOT do. History tells us this hasn't worked out well. Not only are there no enforcement mechanisms in place, but prohibitions seem to serve as a prompt to raising exceptions. The public safety exception that's currently being raised to facilitate interrogation is just the latest evidence.

    Consider the so-called "civil right" associated with "arrest." A person who is legally in detention -- i.e. a slave -- cannot be arrested because he's not supposed to be going anywhere. So, the rules that go with arrest, don't apply to detainees. Captives aren't arrestees. American exceptionalism is not a happenstance or aspiration, it is a constant. "Making an exception" is the formula upon which the social hierarchy is based. Egalitarianism is the antithesis of exceptionalism. "Exceptional" has no moral value. The suggestion that it does turns it into a euphemism. To except is to cut out and, most commonly, discard.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 02:12:47 AM PDT

  •  It's Barnes' job to say things like this (2+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, Linda1961

    And he's been doing it forever. Also an excellent example of how the right always predicts the next election is going to be another 1994 even though, in nine elections since then, it's only happened once.

    Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

    by RamblinDave on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:05:12 AM PDT

  •  It will be a fight (1+ / 0-)
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    Minnesota Deb

    We will probably lose a few Senate seats, but all things being equal I think we hold the Senate - much as they try out patience, our red state D Senators know how to win in a hostile environment, and absent major national trends usually can win. Worst case it goes 51-49 R, but in 2016 we come roaring back, as all those blue state seats lost in 2010 are retaken.

    The House will be very tough to win back, but there's no rule saying it's mathematically impossible. And after 2010 the GOP has already picked off almost all the low-hanging Blue Dogs. My guess is +/- 5 seats total. If we have a strong candidate in 2016 (the Hillary Clinton we think she is or equivalent), we can take back the House.

    Off the top of my head some potential wildcard issues: global economy (still not out of the woods in Europe); conflict with Iran or North Korea.

    My main concern is that we've had 5 years of total GOP intransigence in Congress and the voters have not really punished them for it (I attribute our terrific 2012 Senate performance more on looney GOP candidates). It's like some nightmarish negative feedback loop, where the more GOP outright refusal to act in the public interest, the more they are rewarded it for it. Unless the voters in America as a whole snap out of it, it's going to keep going.

    Finally, please President Obama, no more grand bargains! :|

    •  Hello fellow Berkeley resident (0+ / 0-)

      I'm a Berkeley, CA native myself and if you are from the area, then super.  

      The House may be tough to win back but remember, we have LOTS of ammunition.  All we need to do is stop fearing conservatives and fight their butts until they scream.  Actually, we should be inviting to allow conservatives to vote for Democrats or at least others who might be more inclined to vote for people so long as they have "conviction," (as Howard Dean used to say).

      I really don't know if the GOP will win any Senate seats in 2014 because given Mary Landrieu is in good shape for re-election in a red state (Louisiana), all that's needed is to nominate good Democrats in South Dakota and perhaps Iowa and we're fine.  I'm sure I'm missing other Senate races currently occupied by Democrats where the GOP might have a shot at.

      However, the biggest prize right now is Mitch McConnell's seat and boy, we're going to go after it.   The 2014 campaign starts NOW.

  •  From the bottom of the hole... (0+ / 0-)'re always looking up.

    Singin' them sweet sounds to that crazy, crazy town

    by glb3 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 10:22:28 AM PDT

  •  Skohayes got it right (0+ / 0-)

    If people still have hope - or at least rationality - then they will look at the fascists and renounce them massively. If they see President Obama as a betrayer they will punish the Democrats - regardless of the consequences.
    In 1994 the people looked at NAFTA and "Hillarycare" and gave us a generation of Republicans. In 2010 the "capitulator in chief" gave us John Boehner.
    Personally I am heavily cynical. The fascists are unworthy of tolerance, much less than support, but I honestly believe that the only reason they still exist is repeated betrayals (and apparent betrayals - truth is less powerful in this world than perception) by President Obama.
    Not literally, but essentially, if the ACA fails - even if it is just "teething problems" or even if it is just an effective propaganda campaign- then we may be doomed. On the other hand, the fascists have revealed their true nature so explicitly that anything with a "D" after it will win if the people have not been completely demoralized.

    •  I believe the people can see past conservatives (0+ / 0-)

      The U.S. is changing demographically, not just ethnically but also attitude wise.  With the Internet technology developing rapidly the way it's doing, there's a lot better of a chance people can see past the B.S.

      I mean, again, we have LOTS of ammunition, more against the GOP than ever before.  I really don't think we have much to fear other than chained CPI and boy, we're going to work out asses off to make sure Obama doesn't get that in the final bill passed.

      I'm not heavily cynical but rather cautiously optimistic.  Given the victories won last November, it's really hard for me to decipher how four 1 1/2 months has all of a sudden meant the GOP has more momentum.  

      Like literally, we just had the Newton murders last December, the NRA is losing its credibility, more people are going against it and getting angry at the organization than ever before and the majority of the GOP in the Senate voted against the background check bill earlier this week.  After children were shot, they're still voting against the background check.  I think there's a lot Democratic challengers can use against Senate incumbents, no matter how red of a state they represent.  It's not as if Independents are going to blame Obama for the background check bill's failure to be passed.  It's the Congress they're going to blame and they'll look at the votes that were cast.

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