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I thought of adding a comment but the diary was one of those, and I figured I might not get much response. So I'm putting it up in as a post.

As some might remember my other contribution to this group was about the 17 caliber rimfire.

Before I go much further I should say I'm posting this to the Liberal G Club a place for Kossacks to discuss a mutual interest guns/shooting/etc started in all her wisdom by annielli. (please, no gun type arguments, time and a place ya know?)
I still haven't said what this is all about have I?

If you can't tell I love necked down rifle cartridges. The idea of wildcats just makes me feel all "Mericun" and stuff. The idea of some handyman thinking up a new way to use a common cartridge case and affixing a barrel to an action, forming the cases, figuring out the pressures involved and making the thing go bang is how we've come up with some cartridge sizes we now see on shelves all the time right? 25-06 for instance, and isn't the 270 a necked down 06?

What's that I'm looking at in the photo? Necked down .223 I figured. So I looked, and nothing seemed to fit the ticket. I seem to remember seeing that red ring around the primer in spent milsurp stuff I pick up off the ground. It looks almost doubly necked down or with a very long shoulder and neck. I tried blowing up the photo to at least get the original size, no deal, low resolution.

Some say having a different head stamp makes them uneasy. I've yet to do the deed myself. I  have a lot of things I should get before a 25-06. One could always mark with a sharpie or other permanent marker.

So what is that up there? Any wildcat rounds in your amo box?

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  •  Similar, and maybe a lil off topic.... (5+ / 0-)

    I used to use 30-30 "accelerator" rounds for my longer distance groundhog shots. They had plastic "splines" that allowed for the lead to be pretty much in the .22 range with the 30-30 power

  •  Those are milsurp blanks 7.62 NATO iirc but I have (7+ / 0-)

    some similar in 30 06...iirc though only the NATO has the long nose...I'll go look and brb.......

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    by buddabelly on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:49:14 PM PDT

  •  They look like military blanks to me. (5+ / 0-)

    From this website

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    by Gordon20024 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:59:22 PM PDT

    •  Thanks, that does look like it. (5+ / 0-)

      long neck, two shoulders.

      I've been off looking at weird 17-08 combos and what not.

      I'm sure there is some sort of prize involved. Probably in the mail ;-)

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:06:30 PM PDT

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    •  That would explain why the primers are already (3+ / 0-)
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      marked.

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      by FrankRose on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 07:02:29 PM PDT

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    •  I've Also Seen Milsurp Blue Plastic .762 Rounds (2+ / 0-)
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      For a while there they were available cheap, they were some sort of reduced charge that zinged a plastic bullet pretty fast.   Not practical for much, still definitely nothing you'd want to have hit you in the head.  Some sort of training round.

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      by bernardpliers on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:43:44 PM PDT

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      •  Speer makes plastic projectiles for 38 and 45 that (0+ / 0-)

        just use the primer for propellent, it helps to drill out the primer hole a tich but then you have to make sure they never get mixed into your normal brass or it could be real ugly.....

        They actually shoot quite well for trigger pull practice and such and have a lot of zip for just a primer...I had one go through my target box and punch right through the paneling too....that's when I switched to only outdoor use.,..heh...

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        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 09:21:42 PM PDT

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  •  yup 7.62 NATO ceremonial rather than grenade (7+ / 0-)

    launching rounds, those have the crimped nose iirc.

    Here's a neat link with pics where a guy turns one from a persons funeral salute into a pen.......

    http://www.penturners.org/...

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    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:02:22 PM PDT

  •  25-06 is a good round and would be handy for (5+ / 0-)

    hunting in your neck of the woods....

    Plus the milsurp slow powders seem to work well in overbore cartridges and Bartletts has it for like 50 bucks a 8# jug.....

    I want either an 8mm-06 or a .338-06 on a Mauser action and something big and ugly on a model of 17 action like .338 Lapua Magnum or something similar.......

    I think the 06 conversions are quite capable rounds and very easy to rechamber for as well as to form the brass for....

    I use 30-06 brass to for both 7.65 Argentine and 7.7 Arisaka both are very easy though the 7.7 can give you a few problems on occasion.....

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    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:09:22 PM PDT

    •  It's the one I wish for of late, maybe after (3+ / 0-)
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      next winter.

      I like something flat shooting that doesn't burn the barrel and still has enough for deer sized game. Maybe a 243.

      Don't know when I'll ever get powder again anyway.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:19:48 PM PDT

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      •  I figure it will be a minimum 6 more monthes (2+ / 0-)
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        before the supply chain catches up for primers and powders....

        Unfortunately I don't have anything that would work well and safely with the available milsurp powders and I dithered and lost a chance at a decent quantity of W760 at normal prices, waited a day and they were out.... I did find some rifle powder at Grafs but not much and only the expensive ones....;/

        I kinda want a .243 also if only because I already have everything including a potfull of different projectiles in most popular weights, brass and dies.....I had one of those H&R single shot Handi rifles in .243 but it wasn't comfortable or accurate enough to be interesting so I traded it on another, It was one of the ones that got me my Rem. Model 30 Express Carbine in 30-06.

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        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:59:21 PM PDT

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      •  .243 and .270 Are Still On The Shelf At Walmart (2+ / 0-)
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        Apparently these are not popular with the paranoid loons.  7 mm magnum is also available, and maybe some .30-30.  Obviously, this is not deer country.

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        by bernardpliers on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:31:59 PM PDT

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  •  Weirdest round I have, (5+ / 0-)

    Are some very ancient 32-20 cartridges. I will not shoot them, as they are now most likely over 60 years old, and doubtful as to their usability.

    I have my grandfather's Winchester Model 1894 that shot them, and despite having a very clean barrel with no pitting, I'm not interested in firing it any time soon. I'm in the mood to keep it as is for a long time to come, mostly for sentimental reasons, so the thought of something breaking upon firing is not in my book.

    It is a sweet rifle though, and a classic Western piece. :)

    •  you're very lucky to have that rifle (3+ / 0-)
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      I too have my grandfathers gun from back when many only had one.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:27:29 PM PDT

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      •  I consider myself very lucky, yes indeed. (0+ / 0-)

        It's not a "normal' 1894 either: it has a heavy, hexagonal barrel and what appears to be a two stage trigger, which is split, i.e. the front half moves back and contacts the back half and then the whole trigger actuates. I've never seen the trigger on any other Winchester I've had a chance to look at, but the barrel isn't too uncommon.

        He had (and I have) a sporterized Mauser, stamped "Danzig 1906" that was re-chambered to .280 Remington, re-stocked, and had the bolt lever re-done. Rather unique that one: his parents immigrated from then-Germany not far from Danzig. That rifle has a lot of sentimental value needless to say.

    •  I've Seen Articles About 32-20 (1+ / 0-)
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      Pistols and revolver combos were available. A bit light for deer, less than a .357, but good for its day.

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      by bernardpliers on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:34:27 PM PDT

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  •  I shoot an 8x57JR (3+ / 0-)
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    I shoot an 8x57JR in a drilling when both deer and upland birds seasons are open.  The old 8 mm is bored for a .318 bullet.  It is still possible to buy those old cartridges, but WOW are they expensive.  So, I learned to hand load.  I swage 32 special bullets and .323 diameter 8 mm bullets to .318.  

    I started by reloading 8x57 JR brass that I had, but after a while that brass has to be retired.  It turns out that 444 Marlin brass has an identical base diameter and enough length to reform that brass to 8x57JR (they are resized and fire formed).  

    I found some old reloading recipes, and crossed the powders to get a comparable modern powder.  I then worked up a load for that gun, looking at the new brass for signs of pressure and at velocities.  

    To answer the question, no I don't have a wildcat, but there is some similarity in the process of recreating that old ammunition.  The object wasn't to create a hot new cartridge - my Eastern woods rarely offer opportunities for long shots.  Instead, I wanted to reuse a lovely antique.  

    •  I Got A 24/47 Yugo, Mojo Sights, Timney Trigger (2+ / 0-)
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      It's pretty sweet.  If I ever see a sporterized Mauser in .308 for cheap, I'd take it.  Daddy has an old K98 with all the eagle stamps intact, don't recall what style the bolt is.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:55:29 PM PDT

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  •  since (0+ / 0-)

    I shoot benchrest, the 6mm PPC Palmisano & Pindel Cartridge rounds are normal for the game, although they are technically widcats since they have to be modified from a Russian .220

    The .223 inch (5.56 mm) neck of the .220 Russian is expanded to .243 inches (6 mm) by running the case through a full length sizing die for 6mm PPC

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    by annieli on Thu May 02, 2013 at 01:12:52 AM PDT

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