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Hey, did you hear they are going to make Plan B birth control available without a prescription to girls 15 and older?

Wow, progress!

Well, actually not so much.

1) Exactly what kind of ID do most 15 year-olds have that prove age? Drivers license? Maybe a learners permit in some states. Passport? Possibly, if the girl can get her hands on a document most parents have securely stored, if they have one at all.

So, how does a scared 15 year-old prove she is 15?

2) I didn't know sexual activity in teens never starts before age 15 and that girls under the age of 15 can't get pregnant?

What? That's not true? 14 year-old girl's bodies can't "shut that down?"

Well, hell, that's inconvenient.

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  •  In most states 15 year olds have learners permits. (2+ / 0-)
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    Wisper, trumpeter

    And what's your point? To give all drugs to toddlers?

  •  Appalling (2+ / 0-)
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    plan9pub, skrekk

    That this move was applauded to the degree that it seems.

    Placing any restrictions on this is pure politics without ANY policy or science/factual considerations

    The Plan B decision is symbolic of the gross dysfunction that this country is in

    "I want to keep them alive long enough that I can win them to Christ," - Rick Warren, Professional Greed Driven Scumbag

    by josephk on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:10:28 AM PDT

  •  Just Curious (0+ / 0-)

    Who asserted this?

    I didn't know sexual activity in teens never starts before age 15 and that girls under the age of 15 can't get pregnant?

    Too Folk For You. - Schmidting in the Punch Bowl - verb - Committing an unexpected and underhanded political act intended to "spoil the party."

    by TooFolkGR on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:11:55 AM PDT

  •  Um... pediatric concerns? (0+ / 0-)

    You can not, by law, just waive in medication for children that has not specifically been tested on children.

    This is a POWERFUL hormonal medication.  I am not a doctor (or anything even close) but might there not be some legitimate concern about girls in the early stages of puberty slamming their bodies with a massive dose of a progestogen?

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:28:35 AM PDT

    •  Judge Korman, based on medical testimony, (2+ / 0-)
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      just another vet, shaharazade

      begs to differ:

      The invocation of the adverse effect of Plan B on 11-year-olds is an excuse to deprive the overwhelming majority of women of their right to obtain contraceptives without unjustified and burdensome restrictions.” He noted that Plan B is  “among the safest drugs sold over-the-counter.”
      •  That was when it was restricted (0+ / 0-)

        and I agree with that.

        But <15 years old hardly makes up "the overwhelming majority of women".  What is the average age of puberty for a girl (I am not a parent, I have no idea here...)  11? 12? ..even if it is 10, that would only restrict access to 10-14 year olds.

        Again, I said I was no doctor so I don't know if there is a risk but that is a powerful medicine.  We wouldn't just willy-nilly hand out testosterone to young boys.

        But if the risk was being used (as Judge Korman suggests in your quote) to over-hype the risk to a theoretical 11-year old to restrict access to grown women, or young women of an age we know is medically safe to use the product, then yes, I agree with the ruling.  That is shameful.

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:43:18 AM PDT

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  •  I will say (0+ / 0-)

    that I am glad that it is at least being moved from behind the counter.

    "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

    by just another vet on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:54:22 AM PDT

  •  You do realize that this kind of logic (2+ / 0-)

    is what is being used to justify doing nothing on gun control, right?

    Incremental steps is how just about everything that has ever been accomplished got done.  Deal with it.

    Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum -- when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes. - PJ Crowley

    by nsfbr on Wed May 01, 2013 at 09:02:20 AM PDT

    •  What are these "incremental steps" (1+ / 0-)
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      in gun control you speak of?

      As I recall, ALL of them went down in defeat.

      The FDA's own studies said the drug was safe and effective and there was no reason to restrict it based on age. Obama overrode the FDA in order to pander to conservatives.

      So far, most all of Obama's "incremental steps" have failed.

      •  Yes, with the justification for many of those who (0+ / 0-)

        voted against each step being that it wouldn't address the entire problem.  

        So, when voting against limits on magazine sizes the justification was that most crimes don't involve them.  Same thing with assault rifles.  Same thing with background checks.  And so on, ad nauseum.  

        This change will improve things.  It makes a real and significant difference.  Applaud progress and move on to the next step, but don't post a diary about how this is nothing.

        Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum -- when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes. - PJ Crowley

        by nsfbr on Wed May 01, 2013 at 01:01:47 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  so every one keeps talking about whether a 14 or (1+ / 0-)
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    15 year-old girl should be purchasing Plan B...

         I guess the scenario I foresee is that the 21-year old boyfriend will purchase it for her, whether she wants him to or not. Or will it not be available for purchase by adult men? In fact if the two of them got together once a week or so and her kept pressuring her, he could make her really sick. Now certainly a relationship like that is already really sick, but on the other hand, it just seems like hormone treatments are serious business and not to be taken lightly.
         wiki says--

    A review of California's 1990 vital statistics found that men older than high school age fathered 77% of all births to high school-aged girls (ages 16–18), and 51% of births to junior high school-aged girls (15 and younger). Men over age 25 fathered twice as many children of teenage mothers than boys under age 18, and men over age 20 fathered five times as many children of junior high school-aged girls as did junior high school-aged boys.
  •  Dag a lot of men (1+ / 0-)
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    here posting in favor of controlling birth control for young women and restricting their access to plan b for totally bogus reasons. Control? what's it to you people. How about you restrict your own daughters and allow 15 year olds access without all this crap about ID and shame. I'm a woman, an old coot who came of age in the 60's. I paid dearly for my sins and do not wish this on any young female. You can't stop young women or teens from having sex they are just going to. Why turn their sexual behavior into something that makes them pay for their sexual encounters for their entire life? Why ignore the reality and not allow young women to buy plan b without shame or hassles?  

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