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      Since it looks like Al Franken (D-MN) will NOT have a recounted Senate race coming up in 2014 (for openers, the MN GOP ain't got nobody and they ain't got no money. Two strikes right off the bat), your friendly lunatic with a laptop is working on another project. It is a 1 hour documentary with a target market of the PBS/History (non-Alien) Channel/Military Channel. I have a script and a budget. I have assembled several hundred still photos, some rare film clips, a half dozen academicians as "talking head" armchair experts. The story centers around the 1913 Civil War veterans REUNION at Gettysburg.
     While I have good material for the broad sweep/big picture side of the story, I need help on the individual/personal side. You know how this goes:
(Narrator: "When John Perkins got back from the war he married Matilda.
      (Slow pan of their sepia wedding picture).
      Two years later they moved West to the Nebraska frontier."
      (Wedding picture dissolves into shot of sod house on treeless expanse.)
Expert in front of shadowed bookcase: "Lots of veterans went West." etc....
     NOT that there's a *cough, cough, "Ken Burns", cough cough* FORMULA to these, you understand. No sir-ee! This is COMPLETELY original stuff. :-))
      So do you have a Civil War ancestor? Or do you know of a veteran' story? (Your own "John Perkins" in the example above?) One who fought in the Civil War, for the Union, for the Confederacy, and/or as a USCT man? More crucially, Do you know something about their story AFTER the WAR? Are you willing to consider having him be part of a documentary? If so, follow me below the Orange Kossack Kroissant for details.

I hope this posting and others like it around the Internet will generate a nice number of responses.
      Reconciling after the most horrific war in the nation's history was a painful, slow-moving process and is in many ways still incomplete. The veterans' reunions that started in the 1880s were part of that halting process. (Dr. David Blight and many others have argued that it was a reconciliation on white Southern terms and there is much truth to this.) Yet there was progress and healing.
      The 1913 Reunion at Gettysburg brought together 54,000 vets on the 50th anniversary of the battle. It is emblematic that, on the one hand, the vets came from 47 of the 48 states to attend, and in good numbers from both sides. On the other hand it is also telling that the 1913 Reunion was an all-white affair, despite the existence of thousands of living veterans of the United States Colored Troops. (The GAR, the Union veterans organization, was a rarity, an officially integrated group with high public profile. When planning began for the 1913 Reunion, the UCV--the United Confederate Veterans--made it clear if the USCT men were allowed to attend they would not come.)
      The 1913 Reunion was both a partial healing and a missed opportunity for America. There was a significant level of reconciliation between Blue and Gray and an awful lot of suspicion and sectionalism was laid to rest in those 7 days. But the chance for an even deeper healing, not just of Blue and Gray, but also of Black and White, was missed. (My novel, Encampment explores if this had been otherwise.) But sometimes in life, as in politics, you take half a loaf and come back for another round.  

     I've had several conversations and meetings with a number of producers (one a fellow Kossack) about the documentary. They have looked over my stuff, read my script, run over the budget. They like the idea and topic and most of them like telling a forgotten piece of America's story.
     But there is a general consensus that what's missing is a personal, individual take on this whole process. Its easier to convey the emotional significance of the story if there is a personal dimension. That's where I'm asking for your help.

    IF your ancestor is chosen as part of this documentary you or your family will receive an on-screen credit. (E.g. Something like: "Special thanks to the Martha and Tyrone Young Family of Tupelo, MS for information about Pritchard Young.") Also, you'll get a free DVD copy of the entire documentary. (So you can screen grab the above notice and blow it up to poster size to frame on your wall.)

Do you have a Civil War ancestor (or know of one) that might fill the bill? One who, however begrudgingly or enthusiastically, came to terms with his former enemies?

     In particular I am looking for diaries, articles, letters, etc. that note a change in attitude toward veterans of the other side. (Something like: "The only reason I went to the Nashville Reunion (1902) last month was to see the old boys from my regiment. But some Yankees from Thomas' army showed up too. We swapped yarns half the night and threw back a fair bit of Sippin' whiskey for most of two days. They may have been Yankees, but these fellers were alright.")

     In other words I'm interested in details that would illustrate an overall theme of reconciliation between the veterans. (I know there were a lot of hard feelings, especially in the early years. But by the 20th century in many cases there had been a certain level of healing (even if grudging).

    It doesn't even have to be YOUR ancestor! Maybe you know of someone in the local archives, whose family is all gone but someone in the local library or local historical society still keeps the flame? Maybe you are friends with someone who is a member of the Sons of Union Veterans or the Sons of Confederate Veterans? Are you into re-enacting or are you attending an event where you can ask around? (Then the on-screen credit would read something like: "Special thanks to Fluffy the Wonderdog, who bit the ankle of Willard Dupree at the Olustee Re-Enactment, and who was treated by EMT Kossack Jackie Reynolds, who asked Willard about his third cousin Marvin, whose great grandfather's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate was Civil War veteran John Jacob Jingleheimer-Schmidt.")

Extra points for vintage photographs from the family albums!

Extra SUPER bonus points (we'll have to figure a special screening or something) if the veteran you lead us to was at Gettysburg in 1913 and his change of heart can be tied to this event (in my dreams).

It would be helpful to have at least one veteran's story from each side of the War.

If this all comes together the timeline for broadcast would likely be sometime in 2015. (The Sesquicentennial ends then. There will be LOTS of stuff and depictions of "Lee surrenders to Grant to end the War." This documentary would put a bow on the 150 year observances as an epilogue: "And now here's what happened to the men who fought it...all the way to the death of the last of 1956." (Which never ceases to amaze me. I overlapped Albert Woolson's life by two years. ))

Can you help me out? If so, send me a private message here at DailyKos or at this

Many thanks in advance. This community has amazed me on many occasions with their diaries and comments, their insights and their interests. YOU are why I keep logging in every day. (Well, those alternating weekly checks from Markos, Soros, and the prince of Nigeria who e-mailed me help a bit too...)

From yust southeast of Lake Woebegon,


Originally posted to WineRev on Sat May 04, 2013 at 05:22 AM PDT.

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  •  I wrote a small diary about my gggfather (8+ / 0-)

    "The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." -Zappa My Site

    by meagert on Sat May 04, 2013 at 05:38:54 AM PDT

  •  Hi WineRev. (5+ / 0-)

    My great-grandfather (father's mother's father) was from a border state--Kentucky. He joined the Union Army, although his family owned 5 slaves. His military career was less than stellar. He developed dysentery, and he was discharged as medically unfit after 9 months. After the war he became a dentist.

    My other paternal great-grandfather came from Tennessee. The family was split. Although my immediate ancestors supported the Union, most of the rest of the family joined the confederate army.

  •  I've dropped you a note (7+ / 0-)

    Might be something or other of relevance for you. One of the items I mentioned was the Daily Kos Family History & Genealogy group. There's considerable research skills amongst the regulars. The weekly scheduled diary's on Fridays, usually noonish (Eastern); you could post this query via that schedule, or just toss it in the comments since it's always open thread, too.

    Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

    by Land of Enchantment on Sat May 04, 2013 at 05:58:23 AM PDT

  •  My mother's grandmother had 9 brothers (4+ / 0-)

    7 survived until adulthood; all went to fight for the Confederacy.  5 died, one for each year of the war.  I cannot imagine the suffering that the family suffered as each year they sent their sons out to fight, esp. after 1863 when it was clear the cause was lost and each year lost a son.

    On the other side, my great grandfather's uncle was supposedly executed by partisans in NC when he was trying to return home from the war.  His brothers and father were also enlisted and they sent him back to check on the family, as was the custom then.  Also it was routine for Confederates to be furloughed to return home to help with the harvests.  I have a tintype of him in his uniform.

  •  My third-great-grandfather... (4+ / 0-)

    ...served in the Union Army. He was from Indiana, but unfortunately didn't have much of a post-war story to tell. He died at the age of 52 in 1884 as a delayed result of a war wound. Here's a photo:

    There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

    by slksfca on Sat May 04, 2013 at 06:13:07 AM PDT

  •  Interesting project. Best of luck with it. (6+ / 0-)

    I don't know anyone with relatives that fought in the Gettysburg battle, nor any re-inactions.  My paternal grandfather's paternal grandfather was part of Sherman's March though, part of the 111th Illinois.  He was wounded twice and made the entire march, start to finish.

    •  Thanks! (2+ / 0-)

      Of course, as you can tell, it doesn't matter if someone fought at Gettysburg, or if they are re-enactors.

      It's a matter of what the vets did, after the war, vis-a-vis each other, that I'm after.

      Some of them held grudges to their graves. Some never spoke of the War again. Some went to reunions and others never did. And some were willing to let bygones be bygones in some fashion or another.

      It's this last group I'm looking for to get a story or two.


      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Sat May 04, 2013 at 06:49:54 AM PDT

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  •  This fellow (4+ / 0-)
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    Rudolph Wittig of Philadelphia, born in Germany 1833, only lived to 1871, not even 40. He certainly didn't make it to the 1913 Reunion, mustered out before the battle; likely didn't change his mind, either.

    Immigrated 1849, naturalized citizen 1856. Enlisted in the Union Army 1861, served as a band leader. Mustered out Aug 1862. He contributed to the war effort in his way as a civilian by writing songs. This commemorates a woman killed by a stray bullet at Gettysburg, while baking bread for the Union soldiers, or so the legend goes; this is the cover of the sheet music, lyrics following. Full sheet music available upon request.

    From the cover:
    Fare thee well, brave spirit! Never
    Shall thy wreath of laurels fade;
    Fragrant flowers shall bloom forever,
    O'er the grave of Jenny Wade

    1. Raise high the monumental pile of marble and white!
    A life which gladden’d earh erewhile has pass’d to realms of light
    Raise high the monumental pile to one who hated wrong
    And tearful bards her fame the while perpetuate in song

    In the quiet churchyard sleeping, with the bravest fitly laid
    Moans the wind through willows weeping o’er the grave of Jenny Wade

    2. When man has done some gallant deed, we yield a wild acclaim
    And booming cannon speak the meed be stow’d upon his name
    If death on battlefield he braved and served his country well
    We wrap him in the flag that waved above him when he fell

    3. When to the north wind rebels threw their noisome traitor rag
    The courage of a woman true upheld our dear old flag
    Where’er that starry flag shall wave, mid clouds or on the plain
    Remember’d be thy hallow’d grave for home and country slain

    4. Thy bright example still shall nerve our soldiers in the fight
    Tho’ dead, they spirit yet shall serve free men defending right
    Thy death a nation long shall mourn the deeds embellish arts,
    Thy name on breeze and billow borne thy mem’ry in our hearts

    1. Raise high the monumental pile of marble and white!
    A life which gladden’d earh erewhile has pass’d to realms of light
    Raise high the monumental pile to one who hated wrong
    And tearful bards her fame the while perpetuate in song

    In the quiet...

    After the war, his songs supported Reconstruction, too. I don't know how popular the songs ever were, but they did get published, and are now in the collection of the Smithsonian (or Library of Congress, or somewhere, I'd have to dig further to recall exactly where I found this.)

    Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

    by Land of Enchantment on Sat May 04, 2013 at 06:42:13 AM PDT

  •  My CW ancestors weren't at Gettysburg. (4+ / 0-)

    They were all in the Western theater of war.

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    by Kimball Cross on Sat May 04, 2013 at 06:44:55 AM PDT

    •  Thanks, Kimball Cross. (3+ / 0-)

      Of course, as you can tell from the diary, it doesn't matter if someone fought at Gettysburg, or if you are a re-enactor or if you do genealogy or not.

      It's a matter of what the vets did, after the war, vis-a-vis each other, that I'm after.

      Some of them held grudges to their graves. Some never spoke of the War again. Some went to reunions and others never did.

      And some were willing to let bygones be bygones in some fashion or another.

      It's this last group I'm looking for to get a story or two.


      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Sat May 04, 2013 at 06:53:25 AM PDT

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  •  I tend to still harbor bad feelings towards (4+ / 0-)

    "the Rebs." That's silly, I know, after all of these years.

    But my Hamlin great-great grandparents had 5 children. They lost the 2 eldest in the Civil War. One with the MN 1st at Gettysburg. And the other with MN 7th at Nashville.

    They were both ardent Methodist abolitionists.

    Their letters home are in the Hamlin papers at the MN Historical Society. The papers were donated by my great grandfather, their baby brother.

    Two of my great-great grandfathers survived the war (lucky for us). But I never read anything from either of them that suggested reconciliation. One was eventually a MN State Rep and leader of the GAR in his town in MN.

    WE NEVER FORGET Aminul Islam, Bangladeshi Labor Martyr

    by JayRaye on Sat May 04, 2013 at 06:53:31 AM PDT

    •  Very cool you have letters. (4+ / 0-)

      That your ancestors didn't hint at reconciliation is not unusual. In fact, it was probably a majority stance (on both sides) for most of the Reconstruction period. (In some cases its STILL their descendants' position...see the Neo-Confederate groups, for instance.)

      Thanks for your response.


      (PS. Ever been to the GAR Hall in Litchfield? One of 2 or 3 still extant in MN and open to the public to boot. FWIW.)

      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Sat May 04, 2013 at 07:01:07 AM PDT

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      •  Wow! will have to make it to Litchfield. (2+ / 0-)
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        next time I'm in MN! Very pretty area.

        Here's a little on Phillip's death on July 3rd:

        Sergeant Hamlin of Company F had
        been killed in the day's fighting. After the
        wounded had been taken to the surgeon,
        the rest of the company made fires in the
        gathering darkness and prepared something
        to eat. Wright recalled that "as we
        drank our coffee we decided to bury Hamline [Hamlin, Hamline was the name of his college-no family relationship]
        that night. Search was made for a
        spade and after some time a shovel was
        found. With this a shallow trench was dug
        beside a walnut tree, near which he had
        been killed, struck by four bullets. His
        blanket and tent-cloth were spread in it,
        he was then laid upon them and covered
        with the remaining portions. Then those
        present knelt in silence about him, with
        uncovered bowed heads. . . . Then we
        covered him over with the dirt and stones
        we had thrown out of the trench and
        placed at his head a board, on which his
        name, company and regiment, had been
        marked." ^^
        Souce (pdf)

        WE NEVER FORGET Aminul Islam, Bangladeshi Labor Martyr

        by JayRaye on Sat May 04, 2013 at 07:22:18 AM PDT

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  •  klompendanser linked to my diary from 2011 (4+ / 0-)

    which includes this letter to my gg grandfather.

    Mr. Isaac Basye
            Dear sir duty prompts me to communicate to you the painful intelligence that your son Harrison is missing    the circumstances is as follow  was on the 24th of last month, Dec, we was fighting the enemy near Pulaski, Tennessee and had to cross a deep creek which was in the rear of the line of battle.  I sent Harrison and three other men to look out a ford the other three men returned and Harrison was missing    It appears that they found a ford and about that time they discovered the enemy close to them and attempted to escape by crossing the creek which was nearly swimming and with boggy banks after they got in the river the enemy fired on them and the other men can’t tell what became of Harrison as everyone had to take care of himself.    Harrison’s horse came out without anything on but the halter and bridle.  I think the girth must have broke as he came out of the creek and perhaps Harrison fell off and was only captured as the enemy was very close   I hope he yet lives and will one day meet his friends at home   If I get any information of him I will inform you of him whenever I learn of his fate   I miss him very much    Jas was my mess mate and when he fell Harrison took his place  now he has gone swank and myself is the only one left of the Towash mess   Pat left us about six weeks ago   we have just returned from Tennessee but the campaign in Tennessee proved somewhat disastrous to our arms   Savannah GA has fell   I have no news from VA  Tell Mrs Basye and family not to grieve   James died on his countrs alter   Harrison took his place but I hope he yet lives   may the god of mercy comfort you in your affliction   My kindest regards to you all  Jas M C Wilson
    You can read more about Harrison in the diary.

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    by Desert Rose on Sat May 04, 2013 at 07:04:52 AM PDT

  •  I can tell you one thing... (1+ / 0-)
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    If the Civil War vet lived long enough, he will be listed in the 1890 US Veterans' Schedule - the only thing left of the 1890 US Census since the regular part of the 1890 US Census burned.  The veteran schedules and census data were stored in two separate places.

    The long and short of it is, if you're going to do a documentary, get official documents to prove the lives of the people you are including.  Census data after the Civil War also asks if the person is a veteran of the 'great war,' too.

    If you have a name and date of birth, kosmail me and I'll check out their whereabouts in census data and whatever other files that turn up in databases.  If the person was a native Norwegian who fought in the Civil War, there is a database for them and I can find out info about them.

    In one family that is a side lineage for a cousin's genealogy info that I researched, Norwegian immigrant brothers enlisted in the Civil War in Wisconsin.  The father went after the younger one and got him UN-enlisted because he was under age.  The info is in the genealogy documents, including the 1890 Veteran Schedules.  They aren't my ancestors and I don't have photos so I can't authorize any release of info.  The data is in public documents, but I'm not sure what the laws are covering those individuals.

    If you are going to do a documentary, you must have proof of where these people were at any given time and there are a few places to check for these things.  If you use info for people born in Minnesota or Wisconsin, there is state census data for years ending in 5, and federal census data for years ending in 0 to verify where these individuals were.

    Family stories are nice, but people have faulty memories.  I've had obits that were almost all wrong (and I disproved with actual documents).  I had a family story about my gr-grandfather being shot in the knee - nothing to indicate the story was true until Serendipity took me to an old newspaper clipping about it; I'll be damned if the story isn't true - just twelve years earlier than what my first cousin once removed said, but his story didn't include the little detail that gr-grandfather went after the fellow with a whip first.  Cousin's story had the info it was over hoof weights for horses, and I suspect the other fellow had weights for trotters which are painful and gr-grandfather had horses he dearly loved and would never have caused them pain, so I suspect that was the reason for the whip, but I don't have a verifiable source for that part - yet.  The real story is proving more interesting than Cousin's story.  I have pix of several cemetery headstones with years of birth or death that were not possible (why they were never corrected, I don't know, but I have documents to prove correct dates).  Genealogy research takes one down some pretty interesting paths - and detours.

    Like a lot of people who descend from three Sherman brothers, I'm related to William Tecumseh Sherman (cousin lineage).  Less well known, but descended from the same Quaker family in RI, Thomas Jackson Rodman, inventor of the Rodman Gun.  Another relative who served in the Civil War was Brigadier General Isaac Peace Rodman.  

    A few months ago I ran across copies of an application for a disability pension for one of my ancestors, Andrew Bennett, who was a soldier for six years and a few months in the Revolutionary War, a list of battles he was in, and the 29 pieces of paper in his file included an honorable discharge signed at Newburgh by "G. Washington."  Then I found Valley Forge muster rolls online and one map includes where my ancestor's unit was billeted, and the note he was in hospital at Yellow Springs in June 1778.  I had other Rev. War ancestors, too, but I don't have copies of papers in their files.

    A relative who had nothing to do with any wars but who did have something to do with Minnesota History, Jonathan Carver, for whom Carver County, Minnesota is named, is a relative in a cousin line.

    If one has relatives who can be traced to colonial New England, one is related to a whole lot of people.  I have two lines that go back to colonial New England, one on my father's side and the other on my mother's side.  :-)

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sat May 04, 2013 at 08:05:23 AM PDT

    •  Holy cow! (2+ / 0-)
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      You obviously have been tracing down your relatives a long time. (I'm a little envious. All my people got off the boat here in the States in 1947.)

      Thanks for the advice and the leads.


      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Sat May 04, 2013 at 08:26:52 AM PDT

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      •  :-) I got interested in genealogy... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... clear back in high school when I was a sophomore and we were going a genetics project for biology class ca 1962.  I did genealogy research off and on during my earlier adult years while working, having a social life, doing hobbies, etc.

        Then in the fall of 2001 I got my first computer.  I also taught myself to restore old photos and make photos from old negatives with odd sizes (earliest negative I can date is 1940).

        I set about smashing a few genealogy brick walls.

        Thanks to a cousin who had a computer before me, he found a fifth cousin in Norway and I did some initial research in their databases.  I'd used the public library's computers for email for a year, but there was an hour limit so I couldn't explore much.  With my own computer I had time to explore and first went to Norwegian databases.  A few years later they put all their images online of early church records that go back to the 1600s.  Transcribed census and other data was already online.  Easy search engine for transcriptions.  I branched out to doing research on other lines that married into my family that had Norwegian ancestors and I've been successful in a couple of dozen lines.  I had studied two years of Norwegian in the early 1980s, but the records are in Dano-Norsk (with phonetic and local dialect spellings, etc.).

        I found out something about my middle Caleb Carver that no one else had found.  They went to Canada!  The official genealogist didn't include that part in his 1938 book (our first colonial New England ancestor was Robert Carver of Marshfield, MA whose uncle was Gov. John Carver of the Mayflower).  One of my first Google searches was for any Caleb Carver since I knew there were a bunch of them and three in succession were my ancestors.  For the middle one, he and second son were listed on the MA Banishment Act of 1778.  I found that on a web site of a man in New Brunswick who wrote a book with abstracts of wills, one of them being for my ancestor.  From the NB Archives I got a copy of my ancestor's will and two group deeds where he and other Loyalists were listed.

        Later, one of the researchers in that same Carver line put me onto an abstract of a law suit for my first Caleb Carver and the law suit (paternity suit) Abigail Sherman brought against him while she was pregnant with what became my middle Caleb who later was the Loyalist who went to Canada.  I got copies of the original documents from the MA Supreme Court Archives.

        Then I found the immigration record for my Danish ancestors by finding first their nine month old son.  Their early church records came online, too, and - like Norway - the taxpayers there finance the whole thing so it's free.  My Danish ancestors were from the island that is "famous" for being the burying place of Elvira Madigan and Sixten Sparre.  Records for some of my ancestors are from the church near which they are buried, and besides having its origins in the Middle Ages, the altar painting is by Lucas Cranach the Elder.

        I found my Alsatian ancestors in NY, got copies of immigration and naturalization and church records from their county historical society (by law, NY state counties have to have a historian - that was a novelty to find out, as I also have Dutch ancestors from 1630 I needed to find in a different NY county who earlier married into the same line).

        All three Scandinavian lineages of mine got here in 1882/83, & 1892 - after the Civil War.  However, I have documents for ancestors that tie me to seven countries of origin, all starting with 1620 and the arrival of the Mayflower.  Those countries are England (several lines), Netherlands, Ireland, France (Alsace - Germanic names), Norway, Denmark, Sweden.

        MHS put their birth certificate index online, I found extra children who had been stillbirths or infant deaths for my paternal grandmother (who was a midwife, as was her grandmother before her) and that filled the gap between marriage and what I originally thought was my eldest aunt (well, she was the eldest who lived to adulthood).  On a whim, I got all 13 birth certificates.  ONE of them is the only piece of paper I've ever found that had the location in Sweden where my grandfather was born.  It took all of ten minutes (with people up on two sides of the Atlantic Ocean) to find the birth record for my grandfather which made putty of the last brick wall I had.  I didn't merely smash a 45 year old brick wall, I flew over it like Superwoman!  It was my last brick wall.  A couple of aunts had remembered the address their father wrote on letters to his sister..., but it turns out that's the adjoining parish from where my grandfather and his three siblings were born, but many years earlier I'd found out they had no birth record so a long time ago that was a dead end.  With the advent of computers, there are new avenues of research.

        So, yes, I'm now into my 51st year of genealogy research, and since I got my first computer in '01, I do something with genealogy research nearly daily either for myself or for someone else, since I'm on email lists (hate message boards) and help others find documents when I can.

        As far as I'm concerned, genealogy research is the most fun anyone can have, even if legislators are trying to ruin that by requiring IDs and stupid applications to get PUBLIC documents from courthouses and such.  [The Patriot Act is in the Top 10 stupid things ever passed by Congress, not to mention illegal and unconstitutional.  IMHO.]

        If I had known in grade school and high school what I know now about my ancestors, history would never have been the dull and boring subject it was back then.  Finding out my ancestors' roles in history forces me to backtrack and study more about things that happened when they were alive.

        The real history of the US is FAR more interesting than the fictitious versions the fundies are trying to foist upon us.

        If you've ever seen the PBS series Liberty! that was published by Twin Cities Public Television, some of the battles my Andrew Bennett fought in are mentioned, as, of course, is Valley Forge and that terrible 1777-'78 winter.
        PBS:  Liberty!
        PBS:  Timeline of the Revolution [part of the Liberty! web site]

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sat May 04, 2013 at 09:26:11 AM PDT

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    in the Ohio volunteer army.

    As far as I know, he just served his hitch without anything serious happening (I think he was a fort guard) but sometime I'll have to look up the history of his regiment.  He went back to his farm afterwards.

    Good luck with your documentary. Hope you find some more exciting stories :-)  

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Sat May 04, 2013 at 08:54:06 AM PDT

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    one of my great grandfathers fought for the Confederacy, captured in the initial battle after Virginia seceded (defending Alexandria as the Union troops invaded) escaped, joined up with cavalry and ended the war as a Lt. in Mosby`s command. (Edward Francis ~Ned~ Thomson--sometimes shows up as Thompson in internet searches) Family legend has him heading off to Mexico after the surrender, although I have never come across anything in writing that substantiates his service with Maximilian (talk about a penchant for choosing the losing side!)

    He attended the Mosby reunions, but I don`t know if he made it to the Gettysburg reunion.  He died in Jan. 1914.

    However do check out Col. John S Mosby.  Not only is his story colorful, but he became a political supporter Of US Grant after the war--and Grant even appointed him as an envoy to somewhere, IIRC.

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    That link in your diary renders as a link to Comcast, yet the text is formulated as an email addy. Did you intend to code it as an email link?

    If your intent was to create an email link, you should include the argument "malto:" (without the quotes) before the addy, and lose the "http://"

    I can resolve it for my own email to you, but others might not realize what was intended.

    On the other hand, if I misinterpreted your intent, well, I can be dense…

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    All of the Civil War vets in my own family held a grudge against the South for life. My grandmother told me she had a childhood friend, a transplant from North Carolina they called "Dixie," and her older relatives would not speak to the girl's parents.

    But a few years ago I traveled down through Maryland and Virginia on the John Wilkes Booth escape route. Booth was killed a few miles north of Bowling Green, Va., the seat of Caroline County. There is a historic marker in front of the courthouse there reading:

    Union troops filled the roads to Richmond: On May 21, 1864, Gen. Winfield S. Hancock's Second Corps passed through Bowling Green. Union soldiers broke into stores, looted homes, and freed prisoners from jail. Documents from the ransacked courthouse littered the streets. A few bold souls ventured outside to hurt epithets at their tormentors. "Are you going to Richmond?" cried one woman. "You'll all lay your bones in the ground before you get sight of it!" To help restore order, a young Union captain named Chapman posted guards. Invited for a hot meal by the owner of the nearby Star Hotel, Capt. Chapman would remember Bowling Green with fondness. In 1906, he wrote to Caroline County Clerk Ned Coghill that it was so kind to take an enemy in and feed him. "War is terrible anyway," Coghill replied, "but war between brothers is the worst of all. Thank God we are at peace! I was also a soldier in that war, and surrendered with General Lee at Appomattox. I have a warm spot in my heart for the old soldiers of both sides."

    Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

    by fenway49 on Thu May 09, 2013 at 06:43:26 AM PDT

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