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however. in many well paid jobs this means that overtime is a given, time off in lieu, bwahahahaha, you wanna a career? If only.

“For some people, time is more valuable than the cash that would be accrued in overtime,” said Rep. Martha Roby, R-Ala., the bill’s chief sponsor. “Why should public-sector employees be given a benefit and the private sector be left out?”
When you are badly paid, it leads to unpaid bills.
Judith Lichtman, senior adviser to the National Partnership for Women and Families, contends the measure would open the door for employers to pressure workers into taking compensatory time off instead of overtime pay.
In a perfect world it would work, but in a world of maximizing corporate profit its just a way of avoiding paying overtime rates.

Flexibility in industry makes sense, peak periods, seasonality, etc etc.

In a well run business "flexitime" really does work at certain levels within the corporation; as long as everyone is on the same page, clock in clock out, no arguments.

“Any time there’s a law that will keep extra money in an employer’s bank account, they will try to push employees to make that choice,” said Jones, who regularly earns overtime pay. “I know how we get taken advantage of and I think this bill will just let employers take even more advantage of us.”
The problem is what has gone before, not what makes sense, hence total mistrust.

After outsourcing, stagnant wages, overblown executive pay, working all hours for no reward as a career move, there needs to be some serious bridge building before flexitime would be acceptable.

Part-time work has been abused so as to avoid paying health care, paid holidays, and pensions.

Why would anyone trust a law made by Republicans/US Chamber of Commerce.

However if a business wants to introduce a voluntary scheme [now that actually does work] but the rules need to be crystal clear. Especially in small businesses like my own, even then if the work is rewarding in itself you sometimes have to insist [strongly].

You don't need a law, you need communication and trust, and that is not what anyone has for today's politicians/corporations.

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  •  Tip Jar. Legislation, why? (17+ / 0-)

    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:21:15 AM PDT

  •  It won't really be voluntary. (5+ / 0-)
  •  The biggest problem with comp time (4+ / 0-)
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    is being able to actually use it.

    I've lost I don't know how many hours because I wasn't able to get permission to use the comp time I'd earned before it expired - and it does come with an expiration date, in a use-it-or-lose-it policy.

    If you get cash for the over-time, you at least have something to show for all those extra hours of work. I'd be willing to accept straight pay in lieu of time-and-a-half, that's better than nothing at all.

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    by Noddy on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:51:05 AM PDT

  •  I'm assuming that the time off would be (0+ / 0-)

    paid time off and that normal overtime pay is 150% of regular pay. So it doesn't make economic sense to me that employers would rather have people on the payroll who are not working than pay people 50% more for overtime.

    Please correct me if I'm missing something.

    •  Technically (3+ / 0-)
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      in a lot of places it isn't considered "paid time off" because that means you could cash it out at the end of the year.  Instead it's "comp time" where you worked over so you have a bank of time to use to take time off and still be paid when using those hours.  The problem with the Rethuglican thinking on this one (or perhaps a feature if you're a right winger) is that if the boss never approves you to take time off, you just accrue comp time and never get to use it.  If you leave your job, you don't get to cash it out, you just lose it--all those hours worked for no pay.

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      by Silvia Nightshade on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:05:15 AM PDT

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    •  Just classed as part of your normal hours (1+ / 0-)
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      overtime would become non existent.

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      by LaFeminista on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:12:57 AM PDT

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  •  I wonder who gets to decide whether the (4+ / 0-)
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    requested "comp" time is important or legitimate enough to be granted?  And, once the ACTUAL work hours have been put in and the employer has benefited from them, who gets to decide when the wonderful "comp" time hours can be taken?  When the employee wants/needs them?  Or, when the employer decides he can spare the worker?

    Imo, comp time that can't be taken when needed or wanted by the worker is just another crock of horse manure that benefits no one except the employer.  Especially when the basic pay is not a liveable wage to begin with.  

    •  For it to work at all (0+ / 0-)

      the decision has to be the employee's, within reasonable limits (e.g. giving 24 hours notice). If there are legitimate business reasons why the employee couldn't take the time when they want to, then the employer has to pay them cash (i.e. revert to the current system).

      Sometimes truth is spoken from privilege and falsehood is spoken to power. Good intentions aren't enough.

      by ebohlman on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:29:38 PM PDT

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      •  I think that is the way the system should work, (1+ / 0-)
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        also.  However, whenever Repubs are solidly behind any kind of legislation, it usually does not bode well for workers and is designed to be another cash cow for the already wealthy.  

        Sorry I cannot rec your comment.  I do not have TU status.

        •  You shouldn't need TU status just to rec (0+ / 0-)

          Unless there's some specific history that I'm not familiar with, someone around as long as you've been should be able to rec (but not hide).

          Sometimes truth is spoken from privilege and falsehood is spoken to power. Good intentions aren't enough.

          by ebohlman on Mon May 06, 2013 at 06:02:14 PM PDT

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  •  Yeah, take the rest of today as comp.... (3+ / 0-)
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    So you make your hour commute, work an hour or two, something gets cancelled, and the boss says, "take the rest of today off as comp time."  Great benefit.

    Because overtime is paid as time & a half, shouldn't comp time be the same?  Work two hours OT and get three hours of comp time?

    •  Seems logical, but doesn't work that way. (0+ / 0-)

      Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed. --Herman Melville

      by ZedMont on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:47:10 PM PDT

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  •  This is one of the most Machiavellian plots yet. (1+ / 0-)
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    Corporations put off hiring so they can work employees to the breaking point.  That's why they're working overtime in the first place.

    All this will amount to is banking up a bunch of comp time with no actual time to take it.  

    The unspoken rule will be "take it at your peril."

    Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed. --Herman Melville

    by ZedMont on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:46:03 PM PDT

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