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Originally posted to Comics on Tue May 28, 2013 at 06:50 AM PDT.

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  •  The cartoon reminds me of installing Windows 95 (10+ / 0-)

    It featured the ability to play low-res videos in a little box on your screen.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:09:40 AM PDT

  •  In the way way back when I was a kid, there were (12+ / 0-)

    home made guns called zip guns and from what I've read about the 3D guns, zip guns worked better.

    •  Yessir. Anyone with minimal tools (8+ / 0-)

      and a modicum of mechanical aptitude, and access to a metal scrap pile, would be able to figure out a simpler, cheaper and much more effective design than those printed things.  As far as I can tell, the 3D guns are much ado about something not much better than a slingshot.  A slingshot that can only be used once, at that.  

      For this you went to college?

      by Not A Bot on Tue May 28, 2013 at 08:55:04 AM PDT

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      •  You seem to be missing the point, and that point (2+ / 0-)
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        is time, not to mention demonstrating a rather major chink in regulatory armor.

        My first computer seemed pretty gee whiz when I got it, but it didn't even give a hint of the things we have today -- things we hold in our hands and use to make calls!

        3D printers are improving steadily and coming down in price.
        The very expensive ones can do impressively better than the little plastic formers that print out the current plastic gun.

        Check in again in 10 years. Again in 20.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:01:33 AM PDT

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        •  If it proved to be possible to cram ever more (5+ / 0-)
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          circuits into the chips of similar size, then it will obviously somehow become workable to fire multiple rounds through a plastic barrel.

          That makes sense.

          Obviously we'll have flying cars in the year two thousand!  Look how far we've come since the Tin Lizzie!! Why, Chevrolet has a new-fangled model out that doesn't even have a clutch!

          "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

          by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:44:57 AM PDT

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          •  Sorry! I forgot you were a horse 'n carriage guy. (1+ / 0-)
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            Just don't let me catch you getting breathless over electric cars and the next big battery breakthrough!

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:51:18 AM PDT

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            •  Yes. All technologies are identical to (4+ / 0-)
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              the silicon chip.  That's why microwave ovens are now thirty times faster than they were in 1960.

              Oh, wait...

              We don't have plastics, let alone 3-d printable plastics, that are any damn good for making barrels or bolts or firing pins.  

              Billions are spent every year by weapons designers trying to make more and more parts of firearms out of plastic in order to save on weight and production costs.  There are no plastics suitable to these applications.

              It was easy to see in 1950 that plastics would be used to make more and more of our cars. It was obvious they'd be used for dash boards and door handles and bits of trim.

              It was equally obvious, and remains equally obvious, that they were not suitable for making cylinder sleeves.

              Recognizing the limits of a material did not and does not make anyone a Luddite.

              "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

              by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 11:02:54 AM PDT

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              •  Check the cartoon for any references to plastic (0+ / 0-)

                There is no technological constraint that holds 3D printing to plastic.

                The current constraint is cost.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 11:19:31 AM PDT

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                •  Metal printers... (2+ / 0-)
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                  ...are much bigger, use three-phase power, and are usually out of the reach of the average home shop machinist. I say this as a regular reader of Home Shop Machinist, Machinist Workshop, and Digital Machinst magazines, which in some issues, run articles about gunsmithing.

                  Shall we strictly regulate these magazines, too?

                  Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

                  by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:42:30 PM PDT

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                  •  When I started out in the computer biz, (0+ / 0-)

                    Laser printers were bigger than my car, and 600 mb disk drivers were the size of a washing machine.  Where there is a market, there is incentive to meet it.

                    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                    by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:18:43 PM PDT

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                    •  That doesn't mean that the basic laws of physics (1+ / 0-)
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                      cease to function.

                      "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                      by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:00:48 PM PDT

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                      •  Which means what, exactly? (0+ / 0-)

                        It's one thing to be skeptical, another to be a broken record.

                        In the cases of both disk drives and laser printers, tremendous advances in technology, materials, and manufacturing resulted in big, heavy and very expensive mechanical devices being made mush smaller, much cheaper, and even more capable.

                        I am hard-pressed to see in 3-D printers some special characteristic that will make them immune to the same effects.

                        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                        by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:35:32 PM PDT

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                  •  JeffW! (3+ / 0-)
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                    I had no idea you were interested in machine work, or if I did know, I'd forgotten.  One of my old-age hobbies is home machining.  I don't even like to think about how much I contributed to China's economy when purchasing the newest chipmakers.

                    As for regulating the magazine publishers, that cat long since escaped the gunny sack.  Can you imagine what it would take to shut down all tech knowledge that might be of danger to someone, somehow?  The government would have to spend the next century confiscating antique copies of Machinery's Handbook and all the other trade publications.  By then, everyone would be packing pocket phasers or disruptors or Flash Gordon ray guns, anyway.  Or we might be back in a sort of self-imposed Dark Ages replay by then.  I use "we" loosely, of course -- I'm already a decade past my expiration date.

                     

                    For this you went to college?

                    by Not A Bot on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:19:18 PM PDT

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                •  There's no technological constraint that (0+ / 0-)

                  theoretically prevents anyone from punching the plans for a real gun into a CNC machine.

                  Except limited access to CNC machines.

                  "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                  by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:00:00 PM PDT

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            •  Nothing wrong with horses. (2+ / 0-)
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              My point of view might not be right, but it seems to me that if we're going to start talking tech solutions for humanity's ills, the first step is to examine the source of our problems.  The most obvious cause of difficulties around the globe is that there are too darned many of us, and our technical advances allow more of us to live longer, adding to the mess.

              I've personally tried to help ease congestion by smoking heavily for something like 72 years (it could be 73 -- things are a bit fuzzy), but so far, no luck.  I'm still taking up space and using resources.

              For this you went to college?

              by Not A Bot on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:33:40 PM PDT

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        •  By then (4+ / 0-)
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          We can use them to "defend" ourselves from Technocops using non-lethal weapons like disabling sound wave cannons.

          I doubt 3D poly-weapons will be much more of an issue than Beta-Max in 20 years.

          “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire

          by RUNDOWN on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:55:06 PM PDT

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        •  Dinotrac, considering a nearly useless (2+ / 0-)
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          weapon to be a "major chink in regulatory armor" is akin to considering Flintstones Band-Aids a major breakthrough in medicine.  Some things aren't worth getting worked up about, and this is one of them.  This world is filled enough with real concerns without inventing new ones that really don't matter.

             

          For this you went to college?

          by Not A Bot on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:06:23 PM PDT

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          •  The silly little plastic might shoot once item is (1+ / 0-)
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            not the issue.  The potential for making something better as the printing machinery improves is the problem.

            Seriously -- Are you same people who keep telling me electric cars are the answer to our problems because super batteries are just around the corner?

            Not to say anything, but batteries are a far more mature technology than 3-D printing.  If I had to pick one for major growth, it wouldn't be batteries.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:22:04 PM PDT

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      •  Won't Do It (0+ / 0-)

        Most people who shoot other people aren't industrious enough to make a gun from scrap. But when 3D printers are common from other uses, they'll use their printers to print a gun. "Click to print" from a website is a much lower bar than "build from scraps".

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:03:43 AM PDT

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        •  Most people will go buy a gun for 60 bucks. (3+ / 0-)
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          "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

          by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:45:23 AM PDT

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        •  Most people who want child pornography... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...aren't industrious enough to make their own child pornography from scratch.

          But when 2D printers and video screens became common, they just downloaded it and printed it off or put it up on their computer screens.

          If we can make the possession and transfer of child pornography illegal with heavy penalties attached, I don't see why we can't do the same thing with 3D guns.

          Both child pornography and 3D guns are transferred via the same medium, that is, computer files.

  •  Due to the recent run on guns, (1+ / 0-)
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    they're now actually more expensive than nice printer paper and ink =p

    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

    by GoGoGoEverton on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:29:05 AM PDT

  •  Bought 'em from a guy in the parking lot. (8+ / 0-)

    No background checks or paperwork.

    •  Sometimes I like to talk to hunters from other (8+ / 0-)

      countries on-line simply because I find that...well...a lot more of them share my views on a range of issues.

      So, sometimes when I talk to Australians they remark on how it must be nice to just basically buy the gun you want without having to justify its purpose and stuff like that.

      When I make remarks like "Well, yeah, you can just buy one from some guy in a park in most states." all that envy goes away and they just recoil in horror.

      "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

      by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:35:00 AM PDT

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      •  I'm curious as to where this is online that you (2+ / 0-)
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        talk to hunters from other countries. I read and contribute to a few online forums on hunting and I've never seen the subject discussed.

        Also curious what park you go to buy guns, parks around here have people playing baseball or parents taking todlers to play on equipment.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:47:21 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not overly interested in discussing with (2+ / 0-)
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          you where I post under my real name.

          However, I can guarantee you that there is a touch of envy expressed for one of my firearms on an Australian forum.

          I don't buy firearms in parks.  Doing so would be a felony in my state. It is, however, perfectly legal in most states to do so - and sometimes people do meet in public places to complete purchases arranged on-line.

          "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

          by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 08:07:05 AM PDT

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  •  In the US at least (6+ / 0-)

    Getting a gun, in theory, is so easy I don't see why anyone would go through the trouble.  I think it was in NSW where they printed two of these, one worked, once, the other, I think, kind of blew up.

    Even any new gun control laws are not going to change this.  Background check records cannot be kept, even though these would only identify people who might have purchased a gun, not if the did or what they purchased.  Purchase records can only be kept in paper form and are effectively voluntary.    We should at least require each sales to be recorded in a national database, with a record of the purchaser kept separately.

    •  These guns are no better than zip guns the (6+ / 0-)

      average person could make in a few hours in a decently equipped shop.  The notion that they're some kind of game changers is just laughable.

      The 30 round magazines they've made for AK pattern and AR pattern rifles are honestly more of an issue.  Those work, and they're certainly harder (though not really that challenging) to fabricate from metal.

      "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

      by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:37:34 AM PDT

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      •  As weapons ... maybe not as good" ... (1+ / 0-)
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        It's a toss-up.  Plastic barrel w/ 45 cal. round vs rolled sheet metal barrel w/ 22 cal round.

        But as a piece of Contrarian/Libertarian conceptual art ?  Elegant !  

        No embarrassing  public nudity involved, and they're pricey enough to be collectable, too.

        Ave Eris !

        •  It's really really easy to (2+ / 0-)
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          bore a hole in tool steel.  And there's no .22 cal limit.

          Either way, there's no hitting anything over six feet away.

          "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

          by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:42:33 AM PDT

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          •  Which begs the question: (0+ / 0-)

            Why the Libertarian Liberator small arms project fantasized about using 3-d printer technology for plastic to assure "Arms for Everyone"  ... as opposed to file-sharing designs for NC 3-d milling technology for metals -- which actually COULD simplify getting full auto  weapons into the hands of those who do not care to register or pay the transfer tax on such toys.

            (Something about Prep School Poseurs Playing at Revolution?  Secret Squirrel Airport Arms fantasy? )

            Or was it just "something to do" with a new consumer technology when it turned out that  home-fabricating key rings and model railroad parts turned out to be neither as interesting nor cost effective as originally imagined.

    •  The difference, of course, is that the gun (3+ / 0-)
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      you print out at home can go through the metal detector at the airport, at the football stadium, at the courthouse, etc.

      I'd say that's a significant difference.

      •  The bigger difference is that 3D printing is in (2+ / 0-)
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        its infancy.

        Compare what you can do on a computer (heck -- your phone) today with what we could do 20-30 years ago.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:03:59 AM PDT

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      •  Bullet and firing pin are metal... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...and would probably be detected.

        And you have one shot, assuming the gun doesn't self-destruct on firing.

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:17:57 AM PDT

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        •  And you're going to be damned lucky to hit (2+ / 0-)
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          your target at six feet.  Three feet or less would be more realistic.

          Ceramic Knife = bigger worry.

          "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

          by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:48:29 AM PDT

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          •  your right (0+ / 0-)

            this thing will never be improved upon, we should ignore it, it will go away.

            •  I'm not saying that... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...I'm just saying it isn't the bugaboo some folks say it is.

              You can make a zip gun on small machine tools at home that isn't regulated, either. Nobody tracks bars of stainless steel, that can be machined into a model Stirling engine, or a one-shot gun that looks like a lumber crayon holder.

              Should we strictly regulate metal stock and Sherline machine tools?

              Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

              by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:29:56 PM PDT

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              •  obviously cannot see the potential of 3d printing (0+ / 0-)

                first of all, some mechanical aptitude is required to build a zip gun.

                secondly, even 1st graders can 3D print.  1st graders aren't building metal zip guns, but yes, 1st graders can 3d print.  it's only a matter of time before some little kid prints off a gun and kills someone while they are playing.  this point a lone makes it important to regulate.

                third, 3d printing is dropping in price while increasing in capabilities, quality, complexity, etc.

                fourth, what's easier to dispose of, a plastic gun or a zip gun?  print out your gun, commit a crime, then melt it down.  this will obviously make law enforcement more difficult.

                lastly, the company that produced this design has as its entire purpose to make cheap, reliable, discreet weapons for revolutions against governments.  these are anarchists and libertarians who have been radicalized and this design, which shoots 10 shots, is in its infancy.  it will be improved upon as the designs are open source, so suddenly 6.5+ billion people have the capability to improve upon this design or make competing ones.  that is a BFD.

                •  Any first grader can find a pipe and small piece (1+ / 0-)
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                  of refrigerant line and a hammer.

                  With those and a rimfire cartridge, they've got a really shitty zip gun.

                  You seriously think that it's hard to ditch a gun?  To melt it down after you commit a crime you're going to have to get access to at least an oven for 20 minutes or so.  

                  This, while you're running from a scene where you had to be within three feet of your victim?

                  This is media whipped hysteria, and it is not reality based.  It's entirely rooted in an unreasonable fear of novelty.

                  "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                  by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:07:13 PM PDT

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                •  This design, btw, is single shot. You've got to (2+ / 0-)
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                  toss the barrel each time.

                  I bet no one will ever drop a hot plastic barrel while trying to escape.  Ever.

                  "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

                  by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:08:23 PM PDT

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              •  in addition (0+ / 0-)

                just because version A is crappy like a zip gun doesn't mean it won't always be crappy.  don't know how that isn't imminently clear.

                •  You know what... (2+ / 0-)
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                  ...you seem to mix up assassin's weapons with fully-automatic rifles, and conflate this one instance with the horrors of war. I'm no RKBA type, but I think you are not fully aware of what 3-D printing is capable of in a home-shop environment. I have read up on it, and while there's some concerns I might have, like some damned fool printing a plastic gun, then injuring his hand trying to shoot it, I don't see this as something akin to a serious DIY armorer set-up.

                  I'll never convince you otherwise, so I'll just wish you a good afternoon.

                  Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

                  by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:08:16 PM PDT

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      •  When someone invents plastic primers (1+ / 0-)
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        and bullets, that'll be a concern.

        "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

        by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:47:14 AM PDT

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  •  The more dangerous thing about 3d guns (6+ / 0-)

    Is that they're plastic.  You can't control distribution of a weapon now that can't be detected by ordinary metal detectors.

    "Don't be defeatist, dear. It's very middle class." - Violet Crawley

    by nightsweat on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:36:57 AM PDT

  •  3-D guns? How far we gonna take his shit? (3+ / 0-)

    We face so many problems in this country---but the emphasis is on guns?

    I mean really-----how far are we gonna take this shit---anyway?

    Are we---like---dealing with some knd of bizarre national friggin' fixation---here?

    Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:46:36 AM PDT

  •  Thank you Matt Bors for using great humor to (4+ / 0-)

    expose the fact that our firearms regulations (or actually, lack thereof) are completely out of whack.

    It is easier to buy a semi-automatic gun that can fire dozens of rounds in a few seconds than it is to vote, drive, work, and just about anything else that people may need to do for a living.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Tue May 28, 2013 at 07:54:06 AM PDT

  •  Sadly Bors missed the real danger of a 3D gun (1+ / 0-)
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    It's not the speed with which you can get them, it's the fact that they can most probably pass thru a metal detector.

    "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

    by high uintas on Tue May 28, 2013 at 08:39:55 AM PDT

    •  And the fact that they can be made by anybody (5+ / 0-)

      using commonly available materials with no govt oversight.

      The fact remains that attempting to regulate or otherwise legislate away violence through legal control of a physical object is futile at best.

      •  That's been true for a couple hundred years. (0+ / 0-)

        It's been possible since the early 1800's for someone with commonly available materials to make a shitty little single shot pistol that can't hit the broad side of a barn at five paces.

        It's not new.

        It's like the Glock thing all over again.  People are freaking of a "Plastic Gun", like they did then.

        Only, they ignored the 17 round capacity, which proved to be the real problem.

        Now, people are ignoring the easily printable 30 round magazines that actually work, and which are going to provide and easy work-around limiting the effectiveness of limits on magazine size going forward.

        "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

        by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:56:10 AM PDT

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    •  See my comments herein... (0+ / 0-)

      ...the firng pin and bullet are probably enough to trip a metal detector.

      I have what are called buzz-proof suspenders. They have all-plastic hardware, except for four titanium hing pins in the clips. The pins register a weal signal, but are detectable, and a bullet would probably register even more, since it would be a larger mass of metal.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:22:25 AM PDT

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  •  nerd character has no ammo... (0+ / 0-)

    this is an important point for regulation and for moderating efforts to panic:   you can't print primer or propellant (e.g. gun-powder)  (yes yes, i know there's been an effort to print the casing).

    so in the cartoon the nerd can't shoot it until he visits a source of bullets, whereas the gun-nut is ready to kill.

  •  no offense but you are missing the point (0+ / 0-)

    it's not about easier or even more effective it's simply that 3D printed guns are currently unregulated.

    In the time that I have been given,
    I am what I am

    by duhban on Tue May 28, 2013 at 09:33:13 AM PDT

  •  Mandatory Gunpowder Fingerprints (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    The advent of home-printable guns really forces the issue of traceable gunpowder. All propellants should be required to include microscopic tags with their serial number. And all serial numbers should be required to be logged from manufacture to any sale/transfer. All propellant sales should be required to present photo ID.

    Then shootings will blast their fingerprints all over the scene. The tags are cheap ingredients, and will save so much money by making shooting crimes more rapidly solvable that they'll pay for themselves quickly. Not just shootings, but bombings like the Boston Marathon bombs that were built from model rocket engines and pressure cookers.

    The only people against such a thing are NRA extremists and other gun fetishists and related lunatics. Yet the NRA already got requiring these tags prohibited by law.

    That should be the very least that changes.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:01:52 AM PDT

  •  It's a non-issue... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...you can build a more-reliable gun from easily machinable metal stock, and someone probably has posted the CNC codes online already. The plastic printing technology hasn't progressed to where a usable multifirable gun can be printed, and the metal printing technology is still too expensive. And there will always be enough metal in such a gun to make it detectable, in the bullet and firing pin.

    Cute trick, though...

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 10:14:44 AM PDT

    •  And anyone who can afford or access a metal (0+ / 0-)

      printer will, 9 times out of ten, be able to afford or access a CNC machine.

      "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

      by JesseCW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 11:05:42 AM PDT

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      •  No, home shop CNC machines are much... (0+ / 0-)

        ...less expensive, not to mention smaller and not requiring three-phase AC.

        Still, you can buy materials that aren't strictly regulated, and probably build yourself a much better gun than you can print out, at this time.

        Shall we strictly regulate bar stock and small machine tools?

        Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

        by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:34:05 PM PDT

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  •  the best part about this ... (0+ / 0-)

    is that some people are completely unaware of how well the project is doing.  defense distributed is the organization providing much of the R&D into this with the express purpose of allowing "easy" rebellions against oppressive governments, and yes he is in Austin, Texas.  The company applied for and obtained an FFL to do business with.

    here's some links fr“Download this gun”: 3D-printed semi-automatic fires over 600 roundsom Ars Technica:

    From Extreme Tech:
    The Liberator: The first downloadable 3D-printed gun gets test fired

    Note that the weapon fired 10+ rounds before it became non-functional.  The group has also made an AR-15 lower receiver and magazine that fired 600+ rounds on testing.  

    After the initial investment of a 3D printer, the plastic Liberator gun costs $50 to make.  Print out a gun, murder someone, then melt down the weapon.  This technology is in its infancy and amazing results are being obtained:  printing tissues and organs, solar panels, printing 3D printers, and now guns.

    I think we should listen to some members protesting in these very comments and play see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil because if anything in human history has been constant, it's that technology only gets worse over time, amiright??

    •  You try printing out... (0+ / 0-)

      ...that 600+ round gun, and report back to us.

      Seriously.

      Science means repeatability. If you can get 600+ rounds through it, then maybe we can worry.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:51:18 PM PDT

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  •  Since I've had this discussion before... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...I'll repeat myself.  

    The 3D printer gun was done as a stunt.  Does it foretell a future where everyone's cranking out AKs on their 3D printers?  No.  Printer makers will be forced by governments to install monitoring hardware integral to the machines that will block certain items from being created.  "Oh...hackers!"  Yeah, a few machines might be subverted, but to the "Oh...hackers!" comment I counter "Oh...Xbox One!"

    My second point from the previous discussion, you can already make your own weapon.  "But...but...it's plastic, it can be smuggled onto an airliner!"  So can flashlight guns, keychain guns, and cell phone guns.  Look here for more information on improvised firearms:  http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    My final point.  I'm not worried about the future, I'm worried about Now.  The 3D gun will be manageable.  Climate change won't be.  Worry about it instead.

    I enjoyed the cartoon immensely.

    Oh, and for no apparent reason, I present "Hitler is informed about his Xbox being banned from Xbox Live." It's a version of the meme I haven't seen before.

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    by rbird on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:05:57 PM PDT

  •  The NRA's position is going to be interesting... (0+ / 0-)

    On one hand, the NRA claims to be the defender of the Second Amendment and, as such, supports the right for ANYONE to possess a gun.

    So one would think that the NRA would be all for 3D printed guns - more access to guns = Freedom (TM).

    BUT...  the NRA is the mouthpiece of the gun industry and 3D printers pose a direct threat to gun sales.

    I'm sure the NRA "braintrust" is working hard trying to craft a position that supports 3D guns while at the same time not pissing off their gun industry overlords.

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