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Former New York City Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani gestures during his speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., Wednesday, Sept. 3, 2008.  (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)
Rudy Giuliani (R. NY) hasn't been Mayor of the Big Apple for a while now and doesn't have 9/11 to scare people with anymore.  But that's not stopping him from his latest fear mongering effort:

The former NYC mayor and 2008 Republican presidential candidate told the Washington Examiner's Byron York in a piece published Tuesday that he "was elected for one reason, to reduce crime." But Giuliani expressed dismay that the Democratic candidates largely oppose the city's controversial "stop-and-frisk" practice, which started under his watch and has continued under Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

"That indicates to me that they have lost the public safety imperative that I had and that Mike had," Giuliani said. - TPM, 6/4/13

Giuliani argues that the stop-and-frisk policy he instated as Mayor has helped decrease crime in New York City:

It was a huge victory for Giuliani's smart and aggressive police policies, and it lasted into his second term. Then Michael Bloomberg became mayor and built on many of Giuliani's policies, with much success himself. Now New Yorkers are preparing to choose what might be called their first post-Giuliani mayor, and there are fears of a return to the bad old days.

"Back at the turn of the 1990s, New York City was a mess," Time magazine's Joe Klein wrote recently. "Crime was rampant. The schools were dreadful ... . The mayor was an incompetent. And, above all, the city was run for the benefit of its employees rather than its citizens."

"What followed was 20 years of governance by moderate Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg," Klein continued. "Crime is now at an historic low. The city is booming. There have been improvements in the schools ..." But now, Klein concluded, the liberal Democrats vying to succeed Bloomberg "threaten to return the city to the horrors of the David Dinkins era."

I read part of Klein's assessment to Giuliani when we met at a conference in upstate New York on Monday. "He's absolutely right," Giuliani said. On crime specifically, Giuliani worried that the "broken windows" theory -- the idea that a city needs to go after small infractions as energetically as more serious offenses -- is not doctrine among today's Democratic mayoral candidates. Giuliani also worries that the high-tech data system he installed for tracking and responding to crime could fall into decline. And he particularly worries about the fate of stop-and-frisk, which he started and Bloomberg continued.

Most of the current Democratic candidates oppose stop-and-frisk. "That indicates to me that they have lost the public safety imperative that I had and that Mike had," says Giuliani.

One reason stop-and-frisk is so important, he explained, is that it amounts to "gun control for bad guys." Compared to other cities -- particularly Chicago, now in the grips of a homicide epidemic -- "we stop a lot more people, we question a lot more people, and consequently we take more guns out of the hands of bad people." - Washington Examiner, 6/3/13

Oh really, Rudy?  Stop-and-frisk has helped decrease crime, huh?  Well lets look at the news shall we?

The FBI says that violent crime rose across the United States last year.

The information came from the preliminary annual crime report the agency compiles.

The report, issued Monday, shows a 1.2 percent increase in the number of violent crimes in 2012.

The report is based on information the FBI gathered from 13,770 law enforcement agencies that submitted data.

According to the statistics, murder and manslaughter were up 1.5 percent.  Aggravated assault was up 1.7 percent.  Robbery was up 0.6 percent.

The report found that violent crime was up in metropolitan areas and was down in rural areas.

Violent crime increased 3.7 percent in cities with populations of 500,000 to 999,999, the largest increase in the city groupings, according to the report.

Murder rates were up more than 10 percent in mid-sized cities, designated with populations between 500,000 to 999,000. - WNYW 5.2, 6/3/13

Plus this just happened:

As weekend temperatures soared over 90 degrees Fahrenheit, New York City saw a sudden increase in shootings, with 26 people felled by bullets in 72 hours -- seven fatally.

"When we have hot temperatures, we see that the crime rate seems to go up," New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.

But Bloomberg emphasized that for the year, shootings are down in the city -- 127 since January 1, which is 40 less than the same period in 2012.

"One shooting is one too many, but last week we had the fewest shootings in a decade, including this weekend's shootings," Bloomberg noted.

A professor says the heat index and the crime rate can connect.

"Lifestyle differences exist between cold weather and warm weather," says James Alan Fox, a professor of Criminology, Law and Public Policy at Northeastern University in Boston.

Fox has conducted research on the possible connection between temperature and crime. His findings illustrate how these lifestyle differences can contribute to varying levels of violent crime.

"In cold weather, particularly in blizzards, people stay indoors, and the violent crime rate is lower. When the weather is warm, people are interacting more with others, be they friends, family, or strangers, so there are increased opportunities for conflict," Fox says. - CNN, 6/3/13

The weather's helped decrease crime more than stop-and-frisk.  Plus this has been going on for quite a bit:

Days after New York's gay community rallied against the recent spate of violence across the city, local police say that the number of antigay hate crimes have doubled from 14 to 29 so far this year.

Acts of violence, and verbal assault are on the rise particularly in Queens and the Bronx, according to the New York City Anti-Violence Project. For example, WNYC reports that the workers and patrons of Lucho's Sports Club, a gay Latino club in Queens, are often the target of harassment late at night.

Meanwhile, one of the latest targets of an antigay hate crime in New York was activist Eugene Lovendusky of Queens, who was attacked in Manhattan alongside his boyfriend. - The Advocate, 5/28/13

Also, it hasn't been as successful of a policy as Rudy is trying to make it out to be:

Councilman Williams, an outspoken advocate against the department's abundant use of stop-and-frisk, argued that there exists no concrete connection between increased use of the measure and cessation of crime. Moreover, he said, officials are constantly shifting the explanation for the purpose of stop-and-frisk, first claiming it was a tool for removing guns from the street, then that it was to prevent shootings and finally, that it was to lower the murder rate.

"They show the numbers, and say 'Look what we’re doing,' but they don’t tell you the cost of what we're doing," he said. "Stop-and-frisk has been an abject failure."
Williams also added that more guns are taken off the street from police sponsored buy-backs than random stops, 50 percent of which are made on the basis of "furtive movements."

"I have Tourettes—all I do is make 'furtive movements,' " he joked.

Alex Vitale, a sociology professor at Brooklyn College, argued that the method is being overused. Many of the stops have no solid legal footing, he said, and rather than being based on "individualized reasonable suspicion," officers are simply blanketing specific areas, a practice the Supreme Court has ruled is unconstitutional.

"[The city] says 'Well, the stops mirror the race of alleged suspects in a serious crime.' But that’s not how the stops are being used. It’s not about stopping individuals who are believed to be wanted for a particular crime," he said. "It’s a broad, risk-based, place-oriented form of stopping, where officers are told, 'Go out and stop everybody in this place at this time of day who is, say, a young man. We need to have a more nuanced approach."

Williams acknowledged that he was not opposed to stop-and-frisk, as a tool, but rather, its overly aggressive implementation.

"It needs to be there so police officers can do their jobs," he said. But I’m against the current policy of stop, question and frisk that is not constitutional. It's not even a deterrent." - The Gothamist, 5/9/13

Plus if the policy is so popular, than why is Democratic Mayoral candidate, William Thompson, lagging in the polls?  Because stop-and-frisk targets mainly minorities:

Even as he  won the endorsement of two prominent black leaders, William Thompson’s moderate stance on stop-and-frisk policing caused him a new political headache in the black community.

Brooklyn City Council candidate Kirsten John Foy said Monday he will not collect signatures to help get Thompson on the Democratic primary ballot for mayor because of Thompson’s pledge to keep the police tactic.

“I consider him a good man, but I think he’s on the wrong side of history,” said Foy.

Foy has been a vocal advocate for police reform since his controversial detention by police alongside City Councilman Jumaane Williams at the 2011 West Indian American Day Carnival Parade.

“The civil rights community has made it clear: Stop, question and frisk is at the top of its agenda, and Mr. Thompson has shunned that. He’s going to be a fourth term of (Mayor) Bloomberg in terms of policing. We don’t need a fourth term in terms of anything.” - New York Daily News, 6/3/13

Some people like Police Officer Pedro Serrano, have even tried to step up and either change how the stop-and-frisk policy is initiated or even put an end to it:

Despite Serrano’s initial worries about testifying, when he got his turn on the stand later that day, he was surprisingly calm; it felt good to share his experiences in a courtroom packed with lawyers and reporters and spectators. Before, he’d been just another anonymous cop with a stash of secret recordings and piles of typed notes. Now everyone was listening to him.

His testimony stretched over two days. Serrano explained to Judge Shira A. Scheindlin how, in his view, around 2007, the 4-0’s bosses had ratcheted up the pressure, shifting from what he called a “soft quota” to a hard quota, from a suggestion of how many summonses or stop-and-frisks the cops should do—to a number that they had to hit, or else be punished.

“It’s not good to tell cops: ‘Make sure you find it,’ ” he said. “Because if they don’t find it, what’s left? If the bad guy is not there, who is left? The good people. And you got to hammer them.”

The only time he became emotional was when his lawyer asked him why he’d come to testify. “Well, Judge, it’s very simple,” he said. “I have children. I try to be a decent person. You have got to excuse me. Whenever I talk about my kids …” He paused for a moment, trying to blink back tears. “As a Hispanic, walking in the Bronx, I have been stopped many times. It’s not a good feeling. I promised as an officer I would respect everyone to the best of my abilities. I just want to do the right thing. That’s all.” - New York Magazine, 5/9/13

So yeah, either changing how stop-and-frisk is initiated or even getting rid of it won't cause crime to spike.  I've made it no secret that I am supporting Anthony Weiner in his bid for Mayor of New York City.  Weiner has also been a harsh critic of the stop-and-frisk laws:

NEW YORK, NY - JUNE 16:  Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) announces his resignation June 16, 2011 in the Brooklyn borough of New York City. The resignation comes 10 days after the congressman admitted to sending lewd photos of himself on Twitter to multiple women.  (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)
“Frankly, if you don’t have a thick skin—and I’ve developed an almost rhinocerosly thick skin going through this process—then you probably shouldn’t put yourself up for office, particularly if you want to be mayor,” said Mr. Weiner. “I certainly understand completely, Mark, that people have some pretty tough things to say to me, and I’ve certainly seen them all.”

But he also offered harsh words for Mayor Michael Bloomberg, saying that–while he had helped to unify the city and curb the “palpable” racial tensions post-Giuliani–in some ways, the city was worse off.

“The solutions to many of the city’s biggest problems have not been met, and frankly, in many ways the city is in a worse position,” he said, pointing to growing economic disparities, the growing poverty rate and “an education system that’s not much better” despite a huge spike in spending. “So the record is mixed.”

And on public safety issues, he said that he would not keep on Police Commissioner Ray Kelly—but nonetheless praised the city’s top cop.

“No disrespect intended to him,” he said, but argued that—just like the police department rotates precinct commanders—the city would benefit from a new perspective.

“You always want fresh eyes,” he said. “I think he’s done a good job … but I think that, frankly, some of the policies need to change, and I think having a fresh perspective would be helpful.”

Still, he said, if elected, he’d love to have Mr. Kelly continue to serve in another capacity. Mr. Weiner has said he is favor of stop-and-frisk, but argues the stops need to be done more carefully—“if for no other reason,” he said, “then it’s reversing this sense that we actually have an improvement in the way that persons of color looked at their government. That’s getting eroded by the stop-and-frisk policy and it really needs to change.”

He also bemoaned the number of meals served to homeless children living in city: “It’s a crime,” he said. - Politicker, 5/31/13

By the way, for those of you who still think that the whole "Twitter scandal" has negatively hurt Weiner's image, you're wrong about that:

Former U.S. Congressman and New York City mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner (C) talks with reporters while riding the subway between campaign events in New York, May 23, 2013.  Weiner, who resigned two years ago after posting a lewd photo online, began his campaign for New York City mayor Thursday. REUTERS/Brendan McDermid (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS ELECTIONS TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY) - RTXZY5E
An interesting aspect of the poll was how the opinions of Weiner skewed by gender, or rather how they didn't. I figured women would be more likely to hold negative views of Weiner than men, due to the undertones of sexual coercion inherent in his tweeting photos of his erection. And they do—but not by much. Forty-four percent of New York's women, according to the poll, hold an unfavorable opinion of Weiner, which is a lot, but then again, 43 percent of men do, too. Fifty-six percent of men think he "deserves a second chance" (whatever that means) but so too do 51 percent of women. - The Atlantic, 6/4/13
If you'd like to get involved with Weiner's campaign, you can do so here:

Originally posted to pdc on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:00 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)
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    anodnhajo, eXtina, Youffraita, lina, Jay C, KenBee, GAS

    Funny Stuff at

    by poopdogcomedy on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:00:18 PM PDT

  •  Oh Rudy Giuliani (3+ / 0-)
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    TomFromNJ, GAS, pademocrat

    He's never learned the lesson from Joe Biden:

  •  How long did it take you to write this diary? (2+ / 0-)
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    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:13:30 PM PDT

  •  Rudy the Hack! (4+ / 0-)
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    KenBee, GAS, pademocrat, JerryNA

    Just call him what he is.  A lying little 9/11 weasel who runs from tough tasks and tries to take advantage of opportunities.  

    Actually, I don't think anybody gives a crap about his opinions. Nobody really believes anything he says.

    Republicans - they measure our national success by corporate profit margin, not the well being of the citizens.

    by egarratt on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:14:09 PM PDT

  •  eff you Rudy (3+ / 0-)
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    Youffraita, GAS, Rosalie907

    there's been a rash of shootings in the last month, like 26 or something like that. A 14 yr old girl was shot and killed in Bed Stuy while sitting on a bus minding her own business, and that gay man that was shot around the corner from me.
    Looks like crime has risen without a democratic mayor even if Bloomberg keeps telling us nothing to see here move along

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:16:16 PM PDT

    •  He's some piece of work all right (3+ / 0-)
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      Remember when he threatened to stop the 2001 mayoral election b/c NYC "needed" him after the Twin Towers fell?

      I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

      Go away, Rudy, and shut that fucking pie hole.

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:30:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yea but Bloomberg (0+ / 0-)

        Bought himself a 3rd term buying the City Council which is headed by Christine Quinn.  Wonder how Quinn felt when it was reported that Bloomberg called Hillary and asked her to run for Mayor.

        Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

        by Rosalie907 on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 09:40:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  26 shootings over the weekend (2+ / 0-)
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      And there was that 11 year old girl that was paralyzed.

  •  I wish Weiner luck (2+ / 0-)
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    He would be great, just not sure he is electable.

    Republicans - they measure our national success by corporate profit margin, not the well being of the citizens.

    by egarratt on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:21:40 PM PDT

  •  First of all, oracular pronouncements are (1+ / 0-)
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    always best when pessimistic. If time proves them wrong and disasters are avoided, almost everyone is happy. If they prove accurate, the oracle can be pleased with itself.

    Secondly, the current Reputation Bolivian party is full of people with ulterior motives, whose primary mode is indirection. Indeed, they seem entirely  oblivious to first person agency. It's either the " victim" that's responsible for whatever happens, or some magical force. Democrats are favorite magicians, if only because they don't mind taking blame and responsibility.

    If the press were doing its job, it wouldn't bother reporting the tripe Republicans spew out. Predictions aren't news and Republican predictions are really stale. But, the American press is nothing but a bunch of gossip-mongers. They expect to be fed juicy tidbits, preferably on the QT, so they can feel important. Moreover, people saying stupid stuff get coverage just because they make the reporters feel smart.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:26:12 PM PDT

  •  Weiner has a lot of support (5+ / 0-)

    Quite a few people have mentioned they plan to vote for him.  These include grandmothers, mothers, union guys, basically old school Brooklyn.  And these are people who vote.  

    •  Anecdotal, to be sure (2+ / 0-)
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      ...but almost every NYer I have discussed the issue (starting with my wife) with has said they were minded to vote for Weiner in the primary - even though no one (even Mrs. Jay) can really say why. Mainly a seemingly reflexive dislike/distrust of Christine Quinn, coupled with a serious lack of info about the other (non-Weiner) candidates....  

      •  Hmm. I really like Liu (1+ / 0-)
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        not sure if he can pull it out. I will not vote for Quinn or DeBlasio even in a general. I keep forgetting about Thompson.  Maybe he will go stealth and surprise us.  People I have spoken with like Albanese but he doesn't have a chance.  

  •  first picture of Rudy is EPIC! (1+ / 0-)
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    we would have to invent somebody so ridiculous...but they make it so easy.

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 03:42:34 PM PDT

  •  Crime in 2012 went UP nationally, DOWN in NYC (2+ / 0-)
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    The diary discusses how crime increased in the US in 2012 and tries to imply that crime in NYC increased as well.  

    However, crime rates in NYC declined to record lows in 2012  see

    In 2012, homicides dropped year over year by 20% in NYC while it increased nationally.

    This year 2013, year to date NYC crime stats show there has been less crime year to date than in 2012 for the same time period.  See

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 04:44:29 PM PDT

  •  Weiner is the wrong guy (0+ / 0-)

    You want a lying sleazebag as mayor? One who got his start in politics through race-baiting? One who never accomplished anything in 12+ years in Congress?

  •  Don't get me started (1+ / 0-)
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    I voted for Giuliani the 1st time he ran based on the crime here in NY but not afterwards and I never considered voting for Bloomberg.  Bloomberg is supressing the crime numbers and as a New Yorker you must be aware of that.  Crimes are increasing in every part of the City and one of the reasons is because of the job scene for the youth of this city.  Rudy should just crawl into a hole with his now released friend Bernie Kerick because New Yorkers aren't buying his b.s.

    As for the Mayor's race, I'm voting for Weiner and if he wasn't running I'd be voting for anybody but Quinn, simply because she's Bloomberg's puppet.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 09:31:23 PM PDT

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