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This post will be long, but what I am about to ask of you will greatly help women all over the United States. I will tell you about the Crisis Pregnancy Centers and their tactics.

As most of you probably already know, a Crisis Pregnancy Center is not a medical facility. A Crisis Pregnancy Center, which is also sometimes referred to as a Pregnancy Recourse Center, is a non- profit, religious, pro-life facility, that claims to help women who are facing unplanned and unwanted pregnancies, including access to abortion, help with pregnancy related items, and help with adoption placements. What they don't tell women is that not only do they not offer any abortion services, but they aren't even an actual medical clinic. A pregnant woman would be better off buying a home pregnancy test and find a county clinic than go to these people.

Another thing they don't tell their "clients" is the fact that they are not bound by the HIPAA laws, so they can do whatever they wish with the information they are given. Numerous CPCs across the country have had numerous complaints of harassment, not only at home, but at work, and going as far as contacting their co-workers and disclosing the woman's personal business in hopes she is shamed by others and doesn't abort. This isn't rare either. Just in recent news, this was forwarded to me, and as I frequent Reddit daily, I have stumbled upon this quite a lot within the last few days:

The above 2 images were posted 3 days ago on Imgur and it has made the rounds not only on Imgur, but Tumblr, Facebook, Reddit, and other social networks. The description of what has happened at the above clinic is one of many. Hell, even the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice condemns Crisis Pregnancy Centers.

Hell, I even have my own experience with a Crisis Pregnancy Center about 20 miles away. I was young, naive, scared, and wanted answers. I turned to a friend for help after being raped by a former boyfriend, and she recommended a CPC, without my knowledge, as I've never heard of them. I went there the next day, and was greeted by a seemingly friendly receptionist. I gave her my information, and was under the impression that I would be able to get information about abortion as that is what I wanted. Once I mentioned abortion, her facial expression changed slightly, which I didn't quite pick up on at the time. She then proceeded to lead me to a room in the back, to which I presumed was or explaining the abortion procedure to me. Little did I know I was about to go through an hour of what I can only describe as the most ridiculous hour of my life.

As I sat down in a rather uncomfortable chair, she told me to watch a DVD and then she'd be back in to talk to me some more, so I obliged, not thinking much of it. As soon as she pressed the Play button, a rather happy woman appeared on the screen. She started off introducing herself, and then it took a downward turn. She claimed she was an abortion survivor. At this point, I got up, and attempted to open the door. She locked me in the room. As I rattled at the handle, I heard the woman on the TV speak about how she was placed for adoption, how it has changed her life, and how she's against abortion. At this point, I was banging on the door and screaming about how they need to let me out. Nothing. I then screamed that I was going to call the police and have them arrested. The receptionist then unlocked the door, and as I stormed out, she started screaming at me how I would go to hell for "murdering that baby", how I was a whore, a sinner, how that baby would be better off without a murdering slut of a mother and then proceeded to shove pamphlets into my face. I threw them down, but not before noticing a little 2 inch by 2 inch booklet, with a feet pin that were roughly the size of my pinkie nail. I scoffed at her, told her to go to hell, and stormed out, and slamming the door behind me. I ended up screaming at my friend, only to find out that she was also anti-choice. Nonetheless, I haven't spoken to her since.

The next day, I scheduled an appointment with Planned Parenthood, and had my abortion a week later.

My story is one of many, it wasn't the first, nor the last. I have spoken to many women who have had a similar experience as mine. My experience made me realize that we have to fight for our rights more than ever, and I pledged to do so until my last breath on this planet.

So with this, I want to turn your attention to a recent "event" that took place on Twitter, hosted by "Pro-Lifers", called "#exposePP". This took place this past Sunday. Nonetheless, Liberals, Pro-Choicers, and even comedians took part in this trend, and here are some examples of what this ploy to "expose" Planned Parenthood turned into:

After the influx of the parodies of #exposePP, the "Pro-Lifers" changed the hashtag to say #PPkillsbabies, with which Liberals and Pro-Choicers took over again, with examples such as these:
So in the end, "Pro-Lifers" didn't get what they had hoped for. Now this is where you come in. A bunch of ladies are hosting their own Twitter/Instagram/Tumblr event, named appropriately as #ExposeCPC, and I want you to take part in it. The event will take place on June 23rd, so get yourself an account on a social media site, and lets expose those who truly need it and deserve it. Since Crisis Pregnancy Centers are all about "helping women" and want more exposure, let's give it to them!

In closing, I would like to share some stories with you from a few women who I will keep anonymous:

The one here threatened to call CPS and get my baby taken from me because I didn't want to sell him. The couple was offering 50k... I went for chiz and giggles (my child was planned to the day almost) and was harassed daily via email and phone calls. They also took up new carseats for "moms who chose life" and told me via email (while under another name) to go to walmart. They sold the seats and didn't give them away.
When I visited one out of curiosity I expected the litany of misinformation, lies and scare tactics with regard to abortion and was not disappointed. I was subject to the usual false pretenses of the clinic being neutral and the information presented being unbiased fact. What I didn't expect was the anti-contraception agenda and slut shaming. Among the dangerous things I was told, the birth control pill or options were cancerous abortifacients that never served a health purpose, the HPV shot encourages promiscuity and causes disease, IUDs are dangerous abortifacients, you get the idea. Perhaps the worst being that condoms don't protect against STIs and are bad for you. I was told my boyfriend didn't love me (breaking news to him, we've been together for seven years now) I was asked if it was "worth it" having sex outside of marriage and I wasn't even pregnant. I was preached to about Jesus with no regard for my own faith or even my own knowledge of the bible. (And interestingly enough, this CPC isn't Catholic. The anti-contraception trend is catching on with Protestants too.) I'd like to say this was a singular experience but with research, further visits to others and understanding of how most of the networks of CPCs work I found out it is not.
Only time I went to a CPC was to take a pregnancy test when I was in high school. They had me watch a video about giving birth. The told me the test was negative. They talked to me about abstinence. My guardian took me to my OBGYN who put me on birth control because I started hemorrhaging a few weeks later. The BC was to control the bleeding. My GYN told me I was most likely miscarrying.
I went to these people looking for help and advice. I was scared, highly hormonal with no real support system and facing a life-changing event. But how was I treated? I was told I was a sinner, that the man I loved would leave me, that my child would suffer majorly if I kept him, that my son needed to be saved from me, that I would never achieve my goals and dreams, and that there was better more deserving loving people out there that my child should go to. It was like getting hit by an emotional truck.
When I was 16 I got pregnant by my boyfriend who was very abusive. After having a positive pregnancy test I scheduled an appointment at what I THOUGHT was a regular women's health clinic. NOPE! Not in the south! When the pregnancy was confirmed and I started crying the woman gave me a lecture on how wrong abortion is and then made me watch a documentary called The Horrors Of Abortion (you can imagine)... THEN! After watching the documentary I was hysterical and they called the police and had 2 MALE police officers sit me down and give me ANOTHER lecture on how if I harm my unborn child I will be held accountable for murder in the first degree. How COMFORTING!
I experienced something similar here in Pensacola, FL. They didnt take my pants but sat me down and lied to me about what would happen if I had an abortion, made me watch a scary film on the risks, then had me take a pregnancy test. It was positive (duh) and since I was pregnant they gave me my "first baby blanket" with a script sewn into it. The old lady told me, "that's your baby talking to you, what does it say?" I read it with tears streaming down my face. "I am fearfully and wonderfully made".

They lied to me. They told me I'd get breast cancer, I could go infertile, hemorrhage and bleed out. They told me I'd never forgive myself. It would all be ok if I had the baby. My boyfriend would probably leave me anyway. I could get on Medicare. People can't ignore a child, they HAVE to help me provide.

Their website said they're unbiased. Pro woman. Not pro choice or pro life. I researched them extensively before going and everything said they'd help me. They didnt.

I'm nineteen and in college for nursing. I can't have a kid. I terminated my pregnancy 6 weeks in. If I could have gotten care fast and efficiently it would have been 3 weeks earlier. There's only one clinic here with protesters lining the streets and screaming at you. We drove 3 hours out of the city to get an abortion and the people from this "pregnancy resource center" called me every day for a week after I didn't show up for my second appt demanding to know what happened.

And to leave you off with an explanation of what Crisis Pregnancy Centers actually do, I present to you an article where a leader of one of these Crisis Pregnancy Centers states what one of their tactics are:
If callers ask how much the center charges to perform an abortion, Lisa Arnold, a counselor and leader of the postabortion group, said: "I say, 'It changes, but why don't you come in for an ultrasound and we'll talk about it.' You don't want to deceive them, but you want a chance to talk to them." Once women come to the center, staff members - who oppose abortion even in cases involving rape and incest - encourage them to make further appointments, and refer them to doctors who share the center's views on abortion.
Lovely, right?

So the fight starts now, ladies and gentlemen. These "clinics" need to be put on the spot as the fraudulent, lying, deceptive pieces of shits that they really are. They don't help women, they help themselves and spit on those who truly need help. They aren't Pro-Woman or Pro-Child as they claim. They are only Pro-Birth-BY-Any-Means-Possible.

I will leave you with this famous quote by the Honorable George Carlin-

Why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place? Boy these conservatives are really something aren't they? they're all in favour of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn but once you're born you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no daycare, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're pre-born you're fine. If you're preschool you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you reach military age. Then they think you are just fine. Just what they been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. Pro-life. Pro-life. These people aren't pro-life they're killing doctors. What kind of pro-life is that? What they'll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? they're anti-woman. Simple as it gets. Anti-woman. They don't like them. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a broodmare for the state. Pro-life. You don't see many of these white anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uterus's do you? No you don't see them adopting a whole lot of crack babies do you? No that might be something Christ would do.

8:16 AM PT: My new Twitter username(well, not new, but most used) is @55aku7ina, so feel free to follow me!

Originally posted to Sasharusha on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 12:38 AM PDT.

Also republished by Abortion and Pro Choice.

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  •  They set up next to business and divert customers? (29+ / 0-)

    Let's see, trademark infringement, tortious business interference to start with.

    Unlawful imprisonment, practicing medicine without a license ...

    Intentional infliction of emotional distress?

    Someone could go in with inconspicuous recording equipment and come out with the ability to cause them a lot of trouble.

    These places, if I had had any doubt left, would have proven to me that the forced-birth movement has nothing to do with fetuses but is entirely about hatred of women.

    Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

    by Dogs are fuzzy on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 01:15:42 AM PDT

  •  In the Midwest they set up close to PP. n/t (8+ / 0-)

    I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, alive as you and me.

    by plankbob on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 03:51:44 AM PDT

  •  they locked (28+ / 0-)

    a door when someone wanted to leave?  Isn't that unlawful restraint?  People need to - and I realize this is a difficult thing, believe me - report these tactics to the police, repeatedly.

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    by KibbutzAmiad on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 05:21:34 AM PDT

  •  Protesters are the litmus test (27+ / 0-)

    A light bulb went on over my head when I read the last story above (19-year-old in Pensacola)...the real abortion clinics have protesters out front! If there are no protesters or people praying the rosary out front, be wary of the people inside!

  •  Fabulous post (7+ / 0-)

    Thanks for writing it.

    "The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more often likely to be foolish than sensible." -- Bertrand Russell

    by wide eyed lib on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 07:11:10 AM PDT

  •  And don't forget... (16+ / 0-)

    many of these Crisis Pregnancy Centers get FEDERAL funds under the "Abstinence Only" policy of the Bush administration that has been continued under Obama.

    So, our TAX dollars are paying for this lying terroristic behavior.

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    by annrose on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 07:25:48 AM PDT

  •  But wasn't Justin Bieber's life saved (0+ / 0-)

    by a crisis pregnancy center?  I mean, how bad can these places really be?  My understanding is that such centers actually do provide critical resources to support women in prenatal and neonatal expenses, whatever their other flaws may be.

  •  I don't understand how this is legal (10+ / 0-)

    Assault?  Harrassment?  False Imprisonment?

    These women are shamed and humiliated and still trying to deal with their unwanted pregnancy, so I can understand they're not exactly in the right place to want to go to court, but until women start reporting these incidents to the police and/or suing their asses, this will not stop.

    It's just a matter of time before someone runs a hidden camera operation against them.

    This is appalling.

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    by coquiero on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 07:50:09 AM PDT

  •  This sounds terrible, but in 2013 I (1+ / 0-)
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    don't see how this subterfuge even works anymore. A tiny amount of internet research will tell you which clinics in any town are legitimate and which are not. I'm sure there are some religious women who go to these centers intentionally, and there are still some women who fall into the trap. But in the age of low-cost, accessible information via the internet, it gets harder and harder to pull the bait-and-switch trick off.

    •  I'm surprised that you're surprised (12+ / 0-)

      Given the continued laws being passed by Republican controlled legislatures from delaying tactics to invasive procedures to zoning and "safety" laws that force abortion providers to shut down, I'm not at all surprised that people get sucked into these.

      We continue to see access to abortion providers decrease, so if you're looking for someplace near you and there are fewer and fewer to none to choose from. it's very plausible. Especially when as the diarist points out, bait and switch tactics are used

      We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

      by Vita Brevis on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 08:09:56 AM PDT

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    •  Not everyone has internet access, you know (7+ / 0-)

      People in more remote areas (like my parents), and poor people who just can't afford it, and they are the ones more likely to be drawn into this trap.

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      by Avilyn on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 08:47:00 AM PDT

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    •  Actually... (11+ / 0-)

      some of the CPC websites are very cleverly done and I've even been fooled into thinking they are legitimate clinics. You have to really dig deep into some of them to find out their true agenda.

      Check out some of these:

      They also pay for Google ads under search words such as "abortion clinic", etc. So, their deception continues online as well. For the uneducated and scared, they may find a CPC online thinking it's an actual abortion clinic.

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      by annrose on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 08:52:22 AM PDT

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      •  The thing is, if a person is so uneducated (1+ / 0-)
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        and scared that they fall for the trap, and then are convinced by all the Jesus talk not to have an abortion, who are we to say that isn't the right path for them? I would think that the vast majority of abortion-seeking women have already thought about the moral and other implications of what they are doing, and that the experience with the CPC will end up just being a nuisance and a delay. For whatever percentage of them actually change their minds and decide to have the baby, it's hard for me to say that they have made the wrong decision for themselves.

        •  The problem isn't that they might decide (8+ / 0-)

          not to have an abortion. Of course, every woman must make the choice that works for her when in crisis. Every woman, at every time, has a unique intersection of needs and issues and resources to work through. There is no one answer.

          What these clinics do is take the choice away, by robbing the woman of TIME, by insinuating that other resources are not available, by pretending friendship that only lasts into the end of the first trimester, or perhaps even until birth and placement.

          If a woman walks into an organization like this at end of her first trimester (very easy to do, you're easily at "6 weeks" by the time even the most advertent among us know we're pregnant, and then there's the time spent thinking out options), they may only need to distract her for a week or two before abortion is no longer a practical choice (due to cost, local availability, and/or the woman's inability to get away from other responsibilities like job or school).

          Please do not underestimate how difficult it is to work past direct lies and subterfuge when you are in crisis, especially if you are young or lack resources, or think you do.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:12:02 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah, I agree that any kind of subterfuge (1+ / 0-)
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            is really obnoxious, especially when aimed at vulnerable people. I guess I just think that there are so many opportunities for a woman to avoid falling for this, or leaving, that for those few that end up deciding against the abortion because they were tricked, the end result is that they have a baby. For many of those women, having that baby won't be so terrible (for some it will).

            •  I wonder (0+ / 0-)

              if perhaps you have forgotten what it is like to be young and terrified.

              Sex is so uncomfortable in our society, even for an old married woman like myself who has no excuse to think that anyone would be surprised that, as someone with a daughter and spouse, indeed have had sex and may plan to engage in it in the future. We are not always sensible or at our best when dealing with issues that reveal it, even to strangers.

              "So terrible" is a relative term. Having a baby changes your life and with some drama, whether it is kept or placed. Deliberately diverting someone such that they inadvertently have a child is  life-changing, on order with say enrolling them in military service without informed consent.

              I still remember how much courage it took for me to seek birth control at age 18, a friendly and expected thing.

              Think of all those people defrauded by various mortgage schemes. There is not even the same emotion attached, and yet millions were taken in. It is the same, regardless of whether some individual situations were salvaged in the end.

              Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

              by elfling on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 01:51:25 PM PDT

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        •  Oh good lord. So if a person is uneducated (3+ / 0-)
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          and scared, it's really a positive thing if someone is trying to scam them and mislead them and lie to them and trick them.

          Because of course if someone is uneducated and scared, it's really better for some third party to come along with their own agenda, that doesn't no concern for the uneducated scared person, and makes the life altering decision for the uneducated, scared person.

          Thing is, it's not up to you to decide whether someone else has made the right decision.  And it's not up to anti choicers to make the decision.  It's up to the uneducated and scared person to make their own decision and then to decide whether it's the right one.

          I sometimes wonder whether you think before you type.

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          by gustynpip on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 10:50:22 AM PDT

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      •  Ack!!! I just checked that website (5+ / 0-)
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        for clinics dealing with pregnancy within 100 miles of where I live. I got over 30 hits! If I'm not mistaken, KY only has 1 clinic that will do early abortions and no help for anyone with late term problems. 30 fakes to 1! Funny how they all seemed to talk about "material help" they provide....makes me want to go out and picket!

    •  One needs not only access to internet (5+ / 0-)

      but private access to internet. This is not always so straightforward, eh?

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:13:34 AM PDT

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    •  Their customers tent to (2+ / 0-)
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      be young scared girls that are more trusting of authority, especially if it looks official. Not really surprising at all.

      Truth is harmonious, lies are discordant.

      by Babsnc on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:17:55 AM PDT

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    •  They often have ads in the Yellow Pages (6+ / 0-)

      in the same heading as real clinics.  And while doing some research is a good idea--not everyone thinks that way, especially if you're 16 and scared as hell. ANd they claim they provide pregnancy tests free.  If you live in a small town in a rural area there may only be one drug store--and you might not want the whole damned town to know you bought a pregnancy test.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:23:00 AM PDT

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      •  I thought they weren't allowed to do that anymore. (0+ / 0-)

        Aren't they required to be under "abortion alternatives" or something like that now?

        “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Lyndon Baines Johnson

        by spacecadet1 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 01:28:51 PM PDT

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  •  Our local CPC opposes prenatal testing (7+ / 0-)

    for fear that detection of a defect will lead to abortion, in spite of the fact that failing to detect some conditions (spina bifida, major heart defects) can result in the injury or death of the newborn. How pro-life is that?

    You can put your shoes in the oven, but it won't make them biscuits.

    by quetzalmom on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 08:41:01 AM PDT

  •  Good to see you posting again! (3+ / 0-)
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    T&R.   Would love to see these places shut down.

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    by Avilyn on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 08:48:02 AM PDT

  •  I am not into telling other women what to do (3+ / 0-)
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    because I am not them, but to be honest, I wish that someone had hammered home to me that there WAS a way I could have and raise my baby myself when I was a teen and found myself pregnant. Rather than someone saying, "yeah, you're in no way ready to have this baby" would have presented both sides and asked "what do you feel you can offer this baby if you become a mother". I had enough love in my heart, but I was too young to have it parsed out for me. I didn't get both sides, I got the opposite the other way...abortion was touted by everyone I met as the 'best' option for keeping my life moving forward, too inconvenient at 'this time in your life', too young. Nobody ever asked 'why' I wanted an abortion. Maybe if I had been asked and I'd said out loud why, the reasons which seem petty now would have woken me up to the fact that I was ready and able to keep and raise my baby. We always assume women "know" what they want at this time. But you don't and it being slanted one way OR the other doesn't help you make the right choice for you. Although I've tried to make peace with it, it has haunted me ever since that I didn't do so.

    So when people get incensed that someone would try to prod someone one way, it isn't always the case that they are giving both sides in the clinics that prod you other either.

    •  Thanks a heap for supporting groups that (8+ / 0-)

      practice false imprisonment and coercion and harassment. I've used PP when I thought I was pregnant (I wasn't; it was a Pill malfunction because I was on birth control at the time, as I always was when sexually active).  The counseling covered ALL the options including keeping the baby and adoption. They also make sure you know the facts about contraception which the CPCs lie about.

      And you are in the minority, being "haunted." Several megastudies have proved that. If you are still haunted, I honestly suggest that you get some counseling.  I suspect there's more going on here than regret.

      Did you finished school? Get a degree? Get a decent job?  Most of that would have been very difficult with a baby to support.These days resources are very limited thanks to "welfare reform."

      I read a statistic once to the effect that girls who get pregnant in high school have a 1% chance of completing college before age 30.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:31:00 AM PDT

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      •  Where did I say I supported coercion? How is (0+ / 0-)

        hearing both sides coercion. I am simply saying that ALL options should be not only presented but presented EQUALLy without bias. And it would be helpful if questions are asked that help the women make up their own minds, rather than acting like they know what is best or that everyone who comes in is seeking the same solution.

        •  PP and any clinic I've dealt with (2+ / 0-)
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          DOES provide information on all options. The one time I used PP, it did precisely that--moot point because it was Pill issue, not pregnancy.  I've used PP for birth control and PAP smears too. They are respectful, competent and professional.  They don't HAVE a bias since abortion is only about 5% at most of their services, and they aren't out to make money--they're non-profit.

          It's CPCs that don't.  They browbeat and coerce and guilt-trip women who come there expecting access to abortion into not having one.  They offer no information on alternatives to carrying pregnancy to term--and preferably giving the baby up for adoption. To accomplish this, they've been known to lock women in a room and force themt o watch a highly error ridden film.

          Apparently you had an unusual experience.  The vast majority of women have abortions without any negative reactions--but I can promise you a CPC would have made it much, much worse. They coerce you into having a baby--and then abandon you when you do. And they're msotly run by fundygelical Republicans who HATE the idea of Welfare and Medicaid and have no real interest in helping single Moms.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:10:11 AM PDT

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      •  I think you're being a bit harsh here. Someone (2+ / 0-)
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        should be able to state their own experience, even if it doesn't jive quite with what you want to hear or believe, without being attacked.  We're about being pro-choice, not pro-abortion.  This was a woman who feels she wasn't really given a choice.  That might be right or it might be wrong, but it's how she's feeling right now.  And the fact that she's questioning her decision does not mean she needs some kind of therapy.  Depending on when it happened and what she's going through now, it's perfectly normal to question herself and her decision.  While statistics might well show that few women who have abortions regret them, that doesn't mean none of them have felt regrets ever.  Cut her some slack for having her own emotions and her own experience.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:07:05 AM PDT

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        •  This is what I felt reflected a support for CPCs. (2+ / 0-)
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          I wish that someone had hammered home to me that there WAS a way I could have and raise my baby myself when I was a teen and found myself pregnant. Rather than someone saying, "yeah, you're in no way ready to have this baby" would have presented both sides
          Because find it hard to believe that a counselor at a clinic would have pushed her into anything--and it sure sounds like she wished someone had just pushed very hard on carrying to term. Pointing out the pros and cons of carrying to term is precisely what counselors at, say, PP DO.  ANd part of that counseling is presenting a realistic view of what being a teenage parent entails.  

          What is WRONG is the rosy picture these CPCs present. They sound like they'll help you through pregnancy, provide support and help to raise the child. They don't. What they WANT is a white baby for their adoption miles. If the girl DOES choose to keep the baby, they may give her a small layette (a blanket, an few pieces of clothing, a couple of bags of diapers)---then they want nothing to do with her. She ends up on her own, the boyfriend isn't in the picture, she may not have much family support--if she's lucky, she can graduate from high school.  I TAUGHT GED classes--and that was the story for the girls I taught. One had a scholarship to college--but that went away when she got pregnant. .

          She wanted someone to "hammer home" that she could keep her baby. That is the OPPOSITE of non-biased counseling.

          The reason I suggested therapy is that if she feels this level of regret and it's shortly after the abortion, there may be something else going on. Even if there's not, talking to a counselor is still a good idea.


          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:55:45 AM PDT

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          •  But she didn't say she was pressured by a (1+ / 0-)
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            counselor at PP.  She said everyone around her.  Which I took to probably be her family.  She didn't say who it was.  I can certainly envision a situation where a family was trying to push her to do what they thought best for her and she didn't have anyone pointing out other possibilities.  I have no idea how much counseling was done where she got her abortion; I know none was done for me.  I made the appointment, went in and had the procedure.  (It was a doctor's office, not a PP; this was the days when abortion was actually available without doctors having to fear for their lives.)  When I cried after, one of the nurses squeezed my hand for a minute, and that was it.  So yes, I can see how a woman could feel that she didn't have all the information available to her and could question the decision.  

            And if she has doubts as to whether it was the right decision, she's entitled.  And if she feels she was pressured and would have like someone pushing from the other side as well, she's entitled to that, too.

            "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

            by gustynpip on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 12:47:25 PM PDT

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      •  I did not hear that (1+ / 0-)
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        I heard her having felt pressured.  All the pg teens we fostered reported the same.  It can be a tough line to walk, offering support without trying to influence the decision.  The CPC's pay lip service to support, but in my experience really try to urge surrenders.

        If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

        by marykk on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:59:45 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, but the CPC's trick the women. (7+ / 0-)

      Providing free advice to women is fine (even if it is based on Jesus). But when trickery is involved, and lies are told, the line is crossed.

        •  Ah, but you stated you wish someone (2+ / 0-)
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          has "hammered home" the idea you could keep your baby.  THAT is not non-biased advice. That's an AGENDA. And I understand that you felt the counselor you talked to didn't do that, but pointed out the very real hardships young single mothers face. THAT is actually non-biased advice.  Teen motherhood is damned hard. Loving your child isn't enough.

          Too many young women romanticize it, want9ng someone to love them as they will love their baby.  Babies are work. They cost a lot of money--and the person hammering home that option won't tell you that. Welfare today doesn't last forever, and it is far less than you can live on comfortably. Pointing out the difficulties teen mothers face is giving you info you need to make an informed decision. Merely hammering home the possibility that you can choose teen motherhood without spelling out what you willf ace realistically is NOT non-biased.

          I taught GED classes in small-town FL.  Every woman there except one was a single Mom, and a teen Mom at that. I got a very realistic view from them on what they were facing. They'd dropped out of high school --one had a college scholarship and lost it when she became pregnant because it was to a church-affiliated school, and single mothers were sinners--and were living on welfare. If they got the GED, they could get into a  brief medical program to became a CNA (not much above minimum wage; my husband worked as one) or a medical assistant.  Their futures were not that bright.

          I am sorry your egret your decision.  But I strongly suspect that the counselors simply told you the unvarnished truth about teen motherhood. You got the truth. CPCs do NOT tell the truth.

          I recommended seeing a therapist because your reaction is very atypical.  If you are depressed, they can help you sort out your feelings and deal with them.

          Personally, I think you made the right choice.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 12:06:16 PM PDT

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    •  Whatithink, I am truly sorry that you're still (5+ / 0-)
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      haunted by your decision and feel that you were pressured into making it.  I suspect, though, that you're in the minority if you had abortion pushed at you.  It seems most people who are pro choice are quite literally that - in favor of each person making their own decision.  Perhaps your referring to your family is who pressured you.  I'm sure if that's the case, they were thinking much less of what you could offer a baby than the effects that baby would have on you and your future.  They loved you and you were the one they were thinking of.

      I don't know how long ago it's been for you, but I hope life brings you enough that you lose that haunting feeling.  I also had an abortion and there were periods in my life when I also felt haunted.  I haven't for a very long while now, and have absolutely no doubt anymore that I'd made the right decision.  I know had I gone forward with the pregnancy, I'd have managed somehow and I'd have loved the child, although I would not have been a good mother at that time.  But I also know, looking back over the years, that my life would have been so different than it is, in ways I can't even begin to comprehend, and it would not have been better in any way other than having a child.  Something I never did end up experiencing.  But I have no regrets now.  I sincerely hope you reach the point you don't either.  But no matter what, remember that you can't change anything.  You accept that you did what you were convinced - whether by yourself or someone else - what was right at the time.  You did your best to make the right decision, and you have no more way of knowing now whether it was the right decision than you did then.  It's easy to think now that you could have done it and would have been good at it.  But things are much easier in theory and in hindsight than they are in reality.  You did the best you could.  Now make your life the best you can from this point foward.  And believe me, it can end up wonderfully, even if there are times you feel haunted.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:03:33 AM PDT

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      •  And as unsympathetic as you found me--I found your (1+ / 0-)
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        claim that most pro-choice people are pro-abortion to be bullshit. NO ONE regards abortion as something positive, and we'd all much rather see no unwanted pregnancies.  I personally think she made the right choice and strongly suspect that she received unbiased counseling which pointed out the realities of teen pregnancy--rather than pretending it's a walk in the park.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 12:09:41 PM PDT

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        •  I NEVER said that pro-choice people are (1+ / 0-)
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          pro-abortion.  I reminded you that pro-choice people are pro-choice, not pro-abortion.  You have no idea whether she made the right choice, nor do have any idea what kind of information she was provided, and for you to presume you can make a determination like that is pretty ridiculous.  I have no idea why you're so angry and feel you have the right to attack others like you are, but you're sounding far from the open minded person most pro choice people are.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 12:50:10 PM PDT

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    •  I am sorry for your regrets (3+ / 0-)
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      Allow me to add the experience that there always will be, whichever of the three options are chosen.

      Planned Parenthood current policy is to present all options and all resources. Of course, it is impossible to know if that happens in every single case, and the policy and training may have changed since your experience, or it may have been from a different provider.

      You might also do yourself and your providers the favor of remembering that times have changed, resources have changed, expectations have changed. Today, we make much more allowances for single motherhood than we did even two decades ago; being pregnant could get you thrown out of school or fired. But even today, getting a job while one is pregnant or a mother is much harder than doing so without.

      Again, I am sorry for your regrets, and don't mean to make light of them or talk you out of them. I hope that PP does follow their policy well, and I am very much in favor of providing resources to pregnant women, young and old, such that they are not obligated to choose based on short term economics. There is much more that could be done.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 02:28:15 PM PDT

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  •  I'm joining you on the 23rd, (3+ / 0-)
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    in a hurry right now, I can be found on twitter


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    by remembrance on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:34:51 AM PDT

  •  don't overlook the adoption angle (7+ / 0-)

    newborns  fetch 30,000 apiece on the adoption market.

    there are fewer that 14,000 babies places for adoption domestically every year, and  2.6 million americans actively seeking to adopt ( stats)

    women walking into a cpc should be on the lookout for adoption pitches

  •  I'm really glad you wrote this diary, (11+ / 0-)

    It's important, too, that you've started to link "crisis pregnancy centers" with the lucrative adoption industry, which does not have the best interests of women with unplanned pregnancies at heart.

    I  get sick of having to correct this mis-impression: adoption is NOT an "alternative" to abortion.

    More in this vein, please.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:44:10 AM PDT

    •  amen karmsy (6+ / 0-)

      standing, clapping, cheering

      •  Well, well, if it's not LivesInAShoe :) (5+ / 0-)

        The very one whose personal story, related in comments in this venue, got me to looking with feminist eyes at the institution of adoption. I'd thought about it for the first time from the perspective of biological mothers who'd had to surrender children.

        Until recently, I hadn't taken offense at people touting adoption as an "alternative" to abortion. Now, I do.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 10:11:25 AM PDT

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        •  Remember... (11+ / 0-)

          the adoption option is here to find homes for unwanted kids,
          to find kids for couples who can't have them.

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          by annrose on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 10:15:48 AM PDT

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          •  zackly, annrose (4+ / 0-)
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            it's also a permanent solution to a temporary problem

          •  You know what's really (7+ / 0-)

            been creeping me out? I mean, besides LivesInAShoe's perspective on adoption. It's efforts to do away with legal birth control, a proposition that would have been unthinkable only a couple of decades ago.  

            We can't look at this separately from the profit motive, and the need for a breeding class.

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 10:53:17 AM PDT

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          •  I'm going to differ somewhat from what seems (2+ / 0-)
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            to be the consensus here, i.e. that adoption is a negative except for kids that are what?  abandoned?

            I'm not happy about the recent trend for people to keep their unplanned pregnancies all the time.  Many times, it's certainly a good thing.  But I think it's gone too far, where no one ever considers whether adoption might be the best thing for the child.

            Case in point:  my nephew got his girlfriend pregnant the night before they broke up.  Both young, both with serious issues.  My husband and I would have adopted the baby in an instant even though we had no plans or desires to have a child, but there was never a thought of that. The mother has since had two more children. She Very seldom sees the little girl.  The little girl has wondered why her mommy doesn't love her anymore and has reached the conclusion that she doesn't spend any time with her mommy because her daddy would miss her too much.  Unfortunately, her daddy has serious issues and provides her with a life that is so chaotic and crazy, I have no idea how she's going to retain her wonderful disposition.  There's one after another girl - usually with kids of her own - moving in and out, or he's moving houses.  He's into drugs and lies and steals and held down a job for several years, but only because I gave it to him and overlooked his sleeping on the job and stealing from me in order to try and provide her with some semblance of security.  But that ended and now who knows whether he'll ever even try to work again.  He basically uses her and the family's love for her to get by.  

            I worry constantly about what kind of a future she can possibly have.  His other child is with a woman who provides some level of stability at least, and I have no concern about him.  But this little girl?  How much better would it have been to allow her to have a family that would have provided what she needed rather than her providing what he and his girlfriend at the time thought they wanted at the time?  And I see similar situations occurring all around me in my work.  My heart breaks so often for kids that parents simply weren't ready for and who have literally no chance of being loved and provided for and feeling safe and secure.

            On the other hand, I see kids who were adopted and who are loved and cared for all around me.  I'm sure there are many instances of adopted children being abused or not actually loved, but many fewer than are being abused and not loved by their biological parents.  

            There's got to be a balance.  It was once too far on the side of girls giving up their babies against their wishes all the time.  Now, I believe it's too far on the side of girls always keeping their babies, regardless of how young, unprepared, and unequipped they are.  I don't have any perfect answer, but I do know it's not an issue that's just cut and dried.

            "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

            by gustynpip on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:25:23 AM PDT

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            •  These are thorny issues (3+ / 0-)
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              No one-size answers.

              If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

              by marykk on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:31:29 AM PDT

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            •  I agree, it's not cut and dried (2+ / 0-)
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              but one thing I think is important is that for all the "mental trauma" that the anti-abortion groups place on abortion, the reality is that any unplanned pregnancy with any outcome causes mental trauma. (Heck, even planned ones. What is being a mom if not mental trauma? :-) )

              Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

              by elfling on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 02:37:54 PM PDT

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            •  I took my time in replying to this-- (0+ / 0-)

              hopefully you are still monitoring this thread.

              In regard to this:

              There's got to be a balance.  It was once too far on the side of girls giving up their babies against their wishes all the time.  Now, I believe it's too far on the side of girls always keeping their babies, regardless of how young, unprepared, and unequipped they are.
              I can only say I believe the mother's discretion has always, without exception, got to come first. She's got to be encouraged to speak up about what's best for her child. If she can't speak up about what's best for her child, unfortunately, she has to speak up about what's best for herself: "All I ever needed was some drug rehab, and some job training. I didn't want to get pregnant in the first place..." (A crystal-clear statement, imo, and probable grounds for placement of her child), or "I really love my child, and want my baby to have a better life than I had..." How can we make that happen? We, as a society, can listen to the mother's wishes--never mind that she may have had a hard life--and do our best to support her and to implement those wishes. They are sacrosanct.

              I guess you can see, I believe that discounting the wishes of mothers of children in troubled circumstances is too easy. And I believe it's made easier by the institution of adoption as we know it.

              It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

              by karmsy on Fri Jun 07, 2013 at 05:25:53 PM PDT

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          •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

            I'm a great proponent of adoption for that reason; the converse not so much.

            If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

            by marykk on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 11:27:59 AM PDT

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        •  hi karmsy (1+ / 0-)
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          still carrying on

          thank you for your kind words!

  •  HIPAA Violations (3+ / 0-)
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    Although CPCs are clearly NOT medical providers, and therefore not directly covered by HIPAA privacy requirements, they may still be in violation of that law as well. Business Associates, organizations that work with "covered entities" - which are those healthcare providers required to comply with HIPAA - are also subject to HIPAA if they use or transmit any Protected Health Information on behalf of a covered entity. Making referrals to physicians could be considered just such a Business Association activity, which makes these organizations liable for HIPAA violations. IANAL however, so I can't be definitive.

    A government that denies gay men the right to bridal registry is a facist state - Margaret Cho

    by CPT Doom on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 09:45:27 AM PDT

    •  These tactics have been used for years (2+ / 0-)
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      by anti-choice groups.  The protestors  like tot ake down license plate numbers and get the home address of the woman--or follow her around till they learn where she works, then they contact her boss.  Depending on where you live and work--that can cost you your job.  Sometimes they have friends in MVP and get the addresses from t
      them. with the same result.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 12:14:28 PM PDT

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  •  There's a CPC right next to the PP where I live. (2+ / 0-)
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    I saw it as I was going to PP to get a BC consultation. I knew right away what it was and just shook my head. I hope that women who are going to that PP know the difference.

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