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The RFID chip is what all this tracking is leading up to.   The people with religious leanings are afraid.   The people concerned about tracking and spying are outraged.
The conservative right and some left say it is the end of times.  The preppers now have some sort of distorted logic by building bunkers and the rest of us are angry or just don't care.

I am not afraid.  I am concerned and angry.  I want my freedom to pick my nose or scratch my hiney without the world knowing it.   I want the right to pay with dollars or ATM or even barter and trade goods but these things are appearing to be out of my control with every day that passes.   I read up on MB's diary about China keeping track of us and there was a comment about a chip and it being lost at a Starbucks.. I thought...yes that is close to the truth.  I started doing a little research without Ron Paul or a so called preacher putting the notion in my head.  I wanted to know some truth.   I did a little research because I am concerned over my privacy.  I have nothing to hide but that is not the point.  I have the right to privacy.. Period.

Here are some interesting things you may already know about but I was kind of shocked.  From Wikepedia:

Implantable RFID chips designed for animal tagging are now being used in humans. An early experiment with RFID implants was conducted by British professor of cybernetics Kevin Warwick, who implanted a chip in his arm in 1998. In 2004 Conrad Chase offered implanted chips in his night clubs in Barcelona[50] and Rotterdam to identify their VIP customers, who in turn use it to pay for drinks.

The Food and Drug Administration in the US has approved the use of RFID chips in humans.[51] Some business establishments give customers the option of using an RFID-based tab to pay for service, such as the Baja Beach nightclub in Barcelona.[52] This has provoked concerns into privacy of individuals as they can potentially be tracked wherever they go by an identifier unique to them. There are concerns this could lead to abuse by an authoritarian government or lead to removal of freedoms.[53]

They are mandated many places and here is more info
Mandates[edit]Wal-Mart and the United States Department of Defense have published requirements that their vendors place RFID tags on all shipments to improve supply chain management. Due to the size of these two organizations, their RFID mandates impact thousands of companies worldwide. The deadlines have been extended several times because many vendors face significant difficulties implementing RFID systems. In practice, the successful read rates currently run only 80%, due to radio wave attenuation caused by the products and packaging. In time it is expected that even small companies will be able to place RFID tags on their outbound shipments.

An EPC RFID tag used by Wal-Mart.
In January 2005, Wal-Mart required its top 100 suppliers to apply RFID labels to all shipments. To meet this requirement, vendors use RFID printer/encoders to label cases and pallets that require EPC tags for Wal-Mart. These smart labels are produced by embedding RFID inlays inside the label material, and then printing bar code and other visible information on the surface of the label.[citation needed]

In October 2005 the University of Arkansas' Information Technology Research Institute released a report on its preliminary study of the impact of RFID on reducing retail out-of-stocks and concluded that RFID reduced out of stocks (OOS) by 21% over non-RFID based stores.[74]

Two years later the Wall Street Journal published an article titled "Wal-Mart's Radio-Tracked Inventory Hits Static."[this quote needs a citation] The articles stated that the RFID plan set forth by Wal-Mart was "showing signs of fizzling"[this quote needs a citation] due to a lack of progress by Wal-Mart executives to introduce the technology to its stores and to the lack of incentives for suppliers.[citation needed]

U.S. Department of Defense[edit]The DoD requirements for RFID tags on packages of military supplies is prescribed in the Defense Federal Acquisition Regulations Supplements (DFARS) 252.211-7006.[75] Positioning of the tag needs to be completed in accordance with the clause and definitions in MIL STD 129 and as of 1 March 2007, EPC Global tags must comply with EPCglobal Class 1 Generation 2 specification.[

I do not know about you but I am a human being and wish to be treated as such.
Not treated as an article of clothing or piece of meat being shipped in from China or any other country.  I want my own ability to choose my method of payment, or not live in a robotic state.   The bad news is that there are eyes in the skies and these devices can be manipulated and in my opinion nothing beats a gut instinct or good old fashion know how.  Humans will always be cruel and not act humane but the thought of all of this altering of food and climate change due to fracking and drilling and implanting is not progess.   It causes distraction of the spirit of mankind, to live in a human not matrix state of affairs.   Where has all of this progress brought us?  More war? More destruction?   More violence?  What good has become from the technology that we possess  in a moderate state?  We human do nothing moderately.  

I think of the possibilites of secrecy that we do not even know about.   I am more concerned for our future generations because this may all be normal to them in a very strange way.   They will never know perhaps what life is like to not have every move watched and documented.  This is not conspiracy.  This is fact and if it were not ..tell me why would our Vice President ask this question of Judge Roberts during confirmation about this very thing ?  

Life in this world is my opinion not for the better but we must encourage one another to keep hoping some sanity returns, along with out right to privacy.. Maybe MB saying move along was prophetic, as there is nothing we can do really because we can't stop them..The policy makers.   The Treasury... The 1 percent.
I wish we could... I just don't see how.

Oh yeah, and when did Walmart or the DOD ever and I mean ever have any American's
best interest at heart ?  If they are for it, we sure should be against it.

Originally posted to Vetwife on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 04:29 PM PDT.

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  •  Oh, that's so cute! (13+ / 0-)

    No, no, you're dealing with the government.

    They're subject to laws and regulations that you aren't allowed to know about.

    Just relax, you won't HAVE to use RFID chips.  They'll be a nice Savage Reservation for everyone who dissents.  Course you won't get your Soma if you go there...


    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 05:08:30 PM PDT

    •  Oh.. but we are Native American and we can (13+ / 0-)

      trust the government..

      Hmmmm... you may be one to something there.  (snort)

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 05:13:01 PM PDT

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    •  We already carry something stronger around with us (7+ / 0-)

      Not the piddling little chips like those on produce and clothing. No, those little ones could only allow someone to know your whereabouts as long as you were within a couple feet of a receiver. We have something much better - something traceable no matter where we are, and how far away from most of civilization: a cell phone.

      In 2011, the FCC declared all cell phones in the US must have a GPS chip by 2018. Most already do. Some continue to broadcast location even when the phone is off, which means the GPS is on any time there is a functional battery in the phone.

      So, no, we won't be getting chipped any time soon - we've already chipped ourselves.

      Note: it's also getting hard to find a new car without a GPS unit in it. I wasn't interested in the model that came with the good stereo - I wanted the absolutely cheapest model I could get - but it was hard to find the model I wanted, because apparently everyone wants the good stereo. Of course, the good stereo comes with built-in GPS. Other cars had GPS in all models. There was only one I test drove where GPS wasn't automatically included in most of the models.

      •  I knew about the cell phones as (1+ / 0-)
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        all the pings they can pick up on location.   Cars?  Even without the stereo's there .Tracking is there...Anti theft ...most new cars have them.   Have you seen the keys in fact?  Smart keys.
        they are not really keys but wierd looking 3 inch pieces of plastic that contain the key and has the remote device in it and also the key is enclosed in there as well.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 07:37:01 PM PDT

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        •  GPS is more than just pings (3+ / 0-)
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          They can triangulate on a phone that changes from one cell tower to another - the ping helps the phone figure out which tower is providing the best signal. If your phone is off, it's not pinging, and if you're in an area with no cell reception, it's not pinging, and if you're not changing location, so only one cell tower is receiving your pings, there's no ability to triangulate (it's called triangulation because 3 points are needed - the phone and at least 2 towers).

          GPS is a whole 'nother ball of wax. It's a signal sent to a Global Positioning Satellite. There are a bunch of satellites in geo-stationary orbit that communicate with anything that can transmit the right kind of signal. Those satellites can know your position to within 3 feet. Unless you're in one of those buildings that has too much cement and rebar to allow a signal out, you are always in a location where your phone can communicate with a GPS satellite.

          •  WTF? (0+ / 0-)

            GPS does NOT work by sending signals to a satellite. It only receives information and calculates your location based on that information.  If cell phones were powerful enough to transmit to space, why are we building so many cell towers?  Pretty sure if my cell phone were that powerful I wouldn't need to ever use a microwave again.  And vehicle tracking devices doesn't work by broadcasting signals to a satellite either.

            That your cell phone allows you do know exactly where you are isn't the issue with having a GPS device, it's that IT'S A SMART PHONE THAT CAN BE BROADCASTING THAT INFORMATION ONTO THE INTERNET.

            I'm really disturbed by the fundamental lack of basic science knowledge when I see posts like these.  Having a GPS navigation on your car doesn't let the government know your exact position at all times, nor does having it on your phone. What allows it is the embedding of that positioning information into all the other stuff that you do.

            An example is taking a picture with your smart phone then posting that picture on Facebook.  Phones with GPS turned on will now embed the GPS information into the digital file metadata, along with when that picture was taking.  Then you post it online and everyone in the world knows exactly when and where you were at a given time.

            Do a Google search with your GPS/"location services" turned on?  Google uses that info to see if you're looking for a restaurant nearby and gives you directions to the nearest location.  That it records that info forever and turns it over to the government at the drop of a hat is just a bonus feature and will never be abused by anyone ever trust me I'm with the government, really.  

            disclaimer*Notice I didn't say who's government though*disclaimer

            •  How does it send someone to your location (1+ / 0-)
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              if you break down?  I don't know GPS but  I do know GPS states on their commercials... I quote.. " never worry about being alone again".. Feel safe with our medical emergecy locator....That is from a commercial

              We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

              by Vetwife on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 05:56:50 PM PDT

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            •  I was imprecise (1+ / 0-)
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              The GPS unit in your phone uses the GPS satellite signal to determine your location, then sends the data to the cell network, enabling you to be tracked. With many phones, this is true even if the phone is off.

              The GPS in your car communicates to a communications satellite, rather than the cell network, which is why it can work even when you're not in a cell-enabled area.

              •  FYI: Newer GPS devices do, indeed send to (1+ / 0-)
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                For example, this GPS navigator.

                Back-country skiers often use spot satellite-enabled GPS units, in case they get in trouble:

                GPS satellites determine location; commercial SPOT satellites transmit information
                The blanket claim that GPS units don't send signals through satellites is not accurate.

                Asking why we have cell towers when we could be using satellites is like asking why we're using DVDs when thumb drives are available. Cell makes more sense for large volumes of real-time data (voice) while satellite is better for small bits of data (coordinates) in which no one will care if there's a few seconds of lag.

    •  Natural News (4+ / 0-)

      Had an article today about this.
      Big shin dig going on and people have to have a RFID. Wristband to attend.
      People who live in that area also have to wear them to get to their homes.
      Good point on the tech aspect.
      Instead of the more efficient ways to conduct wars, imagine how we could be living if those advancements went to peace.
      Anyone else remember the ideas from 50 yrs ago imaging shy cars, and all the great ways we could be living if we had tried peace instead of murdering people in other countries because they live around resources the corporations want?  
      Instead of us tax payers paying trillions for their wars, why couldn't they bargain to buy the resources?  
      Our wars have nothing to do with threats.
      Well, they wouldn't if our foreign policies hadn't made so many enemies.
      Enemies they created by 1st funding them.
      They created AQ.
      They supplies arms to both sides of the conflicts.
      Great diary, VW.
      Hope your family is doing better.

      Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

      by snoopydawg on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:41:29 PM PDT

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  •  RFID chips are embedded in some (16+ / 0-)

    credit/debit cards and this can lead to Wireless identity theft.

    The only trouble with retirement is...I never get a day off!

    by Mr Robert on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 05:20:12 PM PDT

  •  Like I said in another post: (8+ / 0-)
    The Wright Bros. hadn't foreseen the drone program either, and yet, here we are.

    "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

    by jazzence on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 05:45:26 PM PDT

    •  Our Gov't wants to put recordable cameras and (3+ / 0-)
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      microphones into new television sets to monitor you in your homes. Right now, your car is implanted with electronic Event Data Recorderds [EDR] to spy on you as you drive. And starting with this model year, all cars must be manufactured with rear-mounted recording cameras. And in Florida, public school districts have been recording students' irises, "for security." And everytime you drive through an intersection, the stoplight-mounted license plate reading cameras record your location and time of movement. They also have these license-plate recording cameras every quarter-mile along the highways and biways in your city. And of course, Obama is getting his 30,000 drones to patrol and record your neighborhood activites, called "PERSISTENT STARE." 9-11 was the excuse to implement their prior agenda, and it's bipartisan ..

  •  I sure hope you saw that short clip of (11+ / 0-)

    Joe Biden and John Roberts.  My jaw dropped.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 05:55:07 PM PDT

  •  Aaron Russo's movie (5+ / 0-)
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    "America: Freedom to Fascism" explores this idea.
    Available on U-tube.

  •  Business Is Tracking All Your Transactions for (13+ / 0-)

    their own purposes already, also they're using your own computer to store activity records (cookies etc.) for them to study and to show you ads based on your past activities.

    Now that we have a corporatocracy and corporations run the government, even if elected government stopped tracking us, corporate government still does and could easily share some important information about the people with government.

    We've got a set of problems here we don't fully understand and that we don't know how to solve in any way we could trust.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 06:20:04 PM PDT

  •  You aren't paranoid if they are really coming (12+ / 0-)

    and it's beginning to look like they really are.

    Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. The time has come to repair this country and care for its' veterans.

    by llbear on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 07:42:34 PM PDT

  •  Everything You Do Tracks You..... (9+ / 0-)

    It has nothing to do w/ the government.  Grocery stores, department stores, movie theaters, airlines, Las Vegas,
    cruise ships.....etc, etc, etc.

    It's called the electronic age.

  •  And what rough beast... (6+ / 0-)
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
    End of times?  Maybe, but more like the screwed up end of a grand but flawed experiment


    Is it courageous to propose tax cuts but not identify a single tax expenditure to rein in? Is it courageous to target your deepest cuts on the poorest Americans, who vote in lower numbers and provide little in campaign contributions?

    by caul on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 02:19:59 AM PDT

  •  Back in 1994, before anyone I knew did computer (3+ / 0-)
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    "stuff" outside of my job -in fact, back before "Windows" was even a thing, as I remember, since the software firm I was receptionist for was anxiously awaiting the day the "new windows" would be arriving and I didn't understand because I never saw any construction going on...
        Anyway, back in the day- and again, this was a time when I remember first asking people, aren't we awfully close to needing to fill in the full date in some of our data entry, and is the computer prepared for 19 to become 20?
        The only people I could ask that question to were the wacko programmers and they weren't worried- said it'll never happen, things will change too fast...
         None of the regular people I knew knew anything about data banks, etc. and it was the people at church who turned me on to this way back when: Racing Toward the Mark of the Beast: your money, computers, and the end of the world. It begins by suggesting that someone (say a police or social worker) who has access to these files can also have access to your records before they take you on a date. (DMV records say she drives a BMW- does she have expensive taste?) Shocking!! That kind of privacy intrusion? Just shocking. That's not what those files are for! Who would do a thing like that?
         And since you mentioned them briefly, but it's not your thing really, please allow me to give space to the simple, fear-creating issue, from the Bible, as quoted in this book from 1994:

      And he [the false prophet, working under the antichrist] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save that he had the mark, or the name of the beast...
    from the Book of Revelations, Chapter 13
         The book goes on about how these satellite things that are flying over us have the capability to count all the cows in your field and tax you for them just on a fly-by. Yikes- not just a "personal" issue anymore...
         At that time I did some research and found that human physiology makes the forehead and wrist temperature sensitive. This was not "online" then, but people were thinking in that direction back in 1986. Never before had I thought a simple motherly gesture of feeling your forehead could portend so much.


    •  Back in the early 1960s (6+ / 0-)

      there was a lot of "mark of the beast" talk when the phone company was changing from its old numbering system (Under which you got numbers like "Butterfield 8") to the current seven digit number plus area code.
         It's before my time, but I've heard that this came up when Social Security numbers were first introduced as well.

      •  it did come up and it came up (5+ / 0-)

        many times in the past but there was never the technology of biometrics and matrix type stuff that collects data as there is today...Did that whole changing from Butterfiled 8 or Whitehall 2 to 10 digit phone numbers make calling any easier?  Not really IMO.  Cheaper but not easier..  The social secuirty numbers were a big concern,
        The tracking is such a concern to me.. They can lose or find ..They being anyone with access, anything they choose..Including your proof of existence.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:56:29 AM PDT

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  •  The Mark of The Beast (8+ / 0-)

    I have heard about all my life and I am famiiar with the passage.  I think being controlled like cattle is pretty frightening .   When one person or group of people whether government or not can spy on you regardless of what you are a direct violation of people's right to privacy.   I like what Joe Biden matter if it from the left or right..still an abuse of our constituional rights,  Some call it progress ..I call it sad.   Just think.. ourgrand kids will be used to being manipulated like robots to fit in.

    We used to be able to protest, hold sit in's, shout, and they won't even be able to whisper without being listened to.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:33:32 AM PDT

    •  I posted this in another thread (2+ / 0-)
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      but thought you'd like to see it, Vetwife:

      It's a statement from Henry Flynt from about 1989:

      The whole drive of western culture, the part of it which is serious, is towards an extreme objectification. It's carried to the point where the human subject is treated almost as if it's dirt in the works of a watch.
      It appears in something he wrote - Towards an Acognitive Culture.

      He was a friend of the early electronic musician LaMonte Young; even only names a few libraries that have a copy of a another of his books called Blueprint for a Higher Civilization.

      That statement really struck home here.

  •  Thank you for the spotlight (7+ / 0-)

    My husband has been telling me for years that this was going to eventually happen and I did not want to listen to the vast things that could happen,   Votes manipulated,  people losing rights, wars without end...It sounded too tin foil to me but I look at what we are now discussing and the mess things are in and it is more than is fact.
    when the Vice President told Roberts not once but twice he would have to rule on this outrage....I thought..this is old news to those in power..what else is there that is new that we have no clue about?

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:50:32 AM PDT

  •  This is in the spotlight for which (2+ / 0-)
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    I am grateful but it won't be accepted as a truth nor go very far because up until recently, I too, did not want to look at this mess we are in.. It is disturbing and so Orwellianish that is difficult to believe we have been so misguided for so long.. It goes against EVERYTHING we thought was good and reasonable.  I urge people to search out reason and truth for yourself...Your lives depend on it.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:19:09 AM PDT

  •  Those of us "resisting," ie, me & OHD & others, (10+ / 0-)

    no cell phones, no "cards" for purchase tracking, we'll soon be gone and others more adept at complying will take our places. 15-20 years max, we're gone.

    But until then, we (in FLduh) do have holographic drivers licenses, there's no other option. We have IP addys, tons of dissident photos comments ad infinitum, and may have to get cells for business purposes. We're sucked into the tech and trackable regardless.

    I worry for those with children, though I have none and am glad of it. Not knowing what your child's probable fate will be is an enormous burden.

    I made a remark on twitter maybe about a local drone looking into my window and watching me drink Victory Vodka. I hate to say the future looks bad, but it doesn't look good, however noble tilting against softcorporofascism is. We're losing.

    Now I can be flip and post something like

    which is almost the point that I'm at. And yet I find myself still giving a fuck.

    Love you, A.

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes

    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:27:44 AM PDT

    •  I know what you mean (4+ / 0-)

      I am so burdened for little Chicklet....I really do not know how to prepare that baby for her future other than drill into her noggin to resist.. resist...
      right about Florida,,Holograms.. We have the same thing on our DOD uniform services cards.  

      Right to that we will be gone in 15 years or so...if we are lucky....We will see 10 or 15 more..I am quite worried about these babies.   With climate change and shooters and spying and war.. and economics... their future looks rather bleak...I instruct her daily but still have to balance the instruction as not to fearmonger and Jack instructs her as well.  HEr older siblings i worry for....Beth especially.   Go along to get along...Very vunerable.. the other one ......
      Brandy?  Spitfire...will run to the ends of the earth to protect her privacy and the oldest.  She is also the most political.......but she is type I diabetic and dependent on so many things......I don't know if they would allow impanting but they have been taught not to..

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:50:03 AM PDT

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  •  Bravo for this: (8+ / 0-)
    Oh yeah, and when did Walmart or the DOD ever and I mean ever have any American's
    best interest at heart ?  If they are for it, we sure should be against it.
    This should be considered in all endeavors. In 1968 I "walked" at the Vietnam Commencement ceremony and also gave possibly the shortest speech ever from the Sproul Hall steps at UC Berkeley. Though I might have screwed up a word of two, it was:
    This government is not your friend. When it tells or even asks you to do something, your first instinct should be to resist.
    I have yet to see that become inapplicable.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 09:49:15 AM PDT

  •  You know, don't you? (2+ / 0-)
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    RFID chips have very short ranges. They are useful for tracking merchandise in stores, and for identifying something passing by a scanner, but they can't be tracked from cell towers or satellites, nor can I set up something in my attic to monitor everyone in my neighborhood.

    These are not cell phones. They will not be nearly as useful for tracking people unless people are compelled to pass by scanners regularly, as are, for instance, boxcars or shipping containers.

    •  You're taking the wrong approach. Think about (7+ / 0-)


      1) all your Internet clicks are stored = your thoughts and ideas.

      2) all your phone & text destinations are stored = your business connections, family, friends, social network, political allies/groups.

      3) your cell phone general locations, down to a few dozens of meters or so are stored = all your movements in a general sense.

      4) RFID scans made at site of purchase, passing through doorways, entering mass transit, entering and exiting public and private buildings, riding in elevators, etc, etc. are stored = filling in the specifics to your general movements.

      The first three are already happening. They are confirmed to be taking place. Plug a name or two into the system and NSA (or whoever in the govt) knows all about that name.

      Is #4 really that far-fetched, giving what we already know?

      These are all "hard data points," but there are more, like your friend's social media activity with your photo included, or public and private video cameras with facial recognition software. Facebook has over a trillion images stored, most with faces and their own facial recognition programs sifting through them all.

      The NSA's mass data storage centers are about combining data from all sources possible, then sifting through them.

      Heaven forbid you should buy a pressure cooker (to make rice), a one-way airline ticket (to drive back in your brother's extra car), some nails (to fix the garage), and a remote control (to fix the one for your kid's toy car) all on the same day.

      Or even just post about OWS on Facebook with a lot of pictures. And some "mean" cartoons about bankers.

      We're at 10 till midnight until
      the utter collapse of freedom in the Security States of America.

      Those who play the game can "succeed" within limits, while those who are "troublesome" will be consigned to pick up the garbage and lay asphalt in the streets.

      And if you think that is far-fetched, there are already private companies which promise they can find everything about a person on social media, emails, newspaper comments postings, Craigslist, eBay, etc, regardless of whatever user name or email was used, accumulate them back to a certain person and provide an "Acceptability Rating" for potential job applicants, mortgage applicants, renter applications, etc.

      "That day" is actually here... in just a few moments.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 01:49:45 PM PDT

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  •  I have seen the enemy. (2+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife, worldlotus

    And he is us.

  •  Time for another (5+ / 0-)

    ....commission like the Church Commission to air out the abuses by our intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

    And a separate investigation into private abuses of privacy.

    I see too many Democrats circling the wagons on this instead of treating it as the most serious issue of this Presidency.

    It would be good if the White House staff got its head outside the DC bubble and got ahead of this issue, but so far they are acting braindead.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 12:05:30 PM PDT

  •  We all voluntarily tag ourselves (2+ / 0-)
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    with our cell phones.  The ability to track an individual via their cell phone has been available for years, and let me tell you they are using it for just that.

    What's really frustrating is knowing that this is happening and there really isn't much that we the people can do to stop it.  Our Constitution has been shredded in the name of national security, and I have to lay a lot of the blame on the judicial system.  Unfortunately the groundwork for this type of surveillance was originally targeted at the victims of the war on drugs.  It wasn't much of a leap to upgrade their capabilities to gather everything on everyone.

    Does anyone know if a lawsuit can be brought by individual citizens requesting relief for having their Constitutional rights violated?  A class action suit with 300+ million members in the class might get someone's attention, but after the complete failure of passing legislation supported by virtually the entire country, I'm not confident that even 100% support to end this nonsense would sway our government to quit spying on us.

    A person's word used to be their contract, now people use contracts to get out of keeping their word.

    by bitpyr8 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 05:44:12 PM PDT

  •  This is why cyber security is big.. (0+ / 0-)

    I know and you know ...the tech can be hacked and manipulated but  if even your clothes and fabric is tagged and this stuff is deeper than we know.  We are beginning to understand outsourcing.  We outsource everything and that is because I do not believe We the People actually have an America anymore.  Maybe other countries are dictating and the rest is kabuki....Sounds like conspiracy but I would have thought what has transpired in three days was as well.. who the hell knows real or projection anymore.  This is more than wagging the dog.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:15:27 PM PDT

  •  Sounds like what's going on with the tracking ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...each time we turn on our computer or make a call.

    Anyone know exactly how an RFID chip is embedded in a consumer item?  Is it on the price tab? Can they easaly be removed? If not, then regulate them is they can be found and removed. End of story.

    I can see their usefulness for a retailer or distributer.  

  •  Surrender, vetwife, 'cause you are not a person (1+ / 0-)
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    any longer.  You are just a price point.  Resistance is futile.  Most people like being a price point - it's so simple.  

    The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

    by helfenburg on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 03:39:10 AM PDT

    •  I have never been one to surrender (0+ / 0-)

      and I create resistance on so many levels.....And gosh I never do anything simple.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 05:42:17 AM PDT

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      •  Good for you. Keep it going. (1+ / 0-)
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        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 06:46:19 AM PDT

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