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Earlier today I was reviewing some stuff I wrote back over half a decade ago, and I was amazed at the accuracy of the predictions I made.  Actually, they weren't predictions as in "mysticism," but logical conclusions I came to in the face of developments related to the expansion of the security apparatus in the U.S. after 9/11.

Yahoo, Google, Facebook, Twitter, massive indiscriminate collection of data, analysis of that data using powerful algorithms, extreme secrecy, government and technology companies collusion; it was all there.

But again, I'm not the only one that has been warning about this stuff for years now.  Many, many other people have been doing the same, very accurately.

And it is actually pretty easy to do if one follows one rule of thumb: Once citizens acquiesce to government demands to give up constitutional rights in the name of security, tyranny will follow.

That is just such a clear and unequivocal truism, that's actually painful to even have to debate it with people.

Let's get something out of the way: There is no democracy in the U.S., and the rule of law has been subverted.  Therefore, what we currently have is a criminal oligarchy in charge of the government.

Wall Street criminal cartels looted (and are still at it) the nation's coffers.  Corrupt government officials who are also members of the Wall Street criminal cartel colluded (and are still at it) to obstruct justice by refusing to prosecute crimes committed by their paymasters.

In the oligarchical structure you will find billionaires like Pete Peterson and the Koch brothers.

Speaking of the Koch brothers, and as a side note, take a minute to think about the implications of this report: "Secret court judge attended expenses-paid terrorism seminar"

U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson, who signed an order requiring Verizon to give the National Security Agency telephone records for tens of millions of American customers, attended an expense-paid judicial seminar sponsored by a libertarian think tank that featured lectures from a vocal proponent of executive branch powers.
This "seminar" was put together by the Orwellian-sounding organization named, "FREE," or Foundation for Research on Economics & the Environment.
From 2005 to 2009, FREE received a total of $430,000 in general operating support from the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation, of which billionaire businessman Charles Koch is a director.
So you have rampant criminality at the very top levels of the Oligarchy, with total impunity.  Then you have what are clearly proto-fascist characters like Charles Koch with their hands on all kinds of aspects of the power structure, including the judiciary, a vast and elaborate propaganda apparatus, and corporatist cartels like ALEC.

And speaking of ALEC, as many people know by now, they have been able to basically buy off a very large segment of the political class in the United States, both at the federal level, and at the states level.

That's why you see an increasingly-fast pace of draconian and oppressive laws and regulations spreading throughout the country like wild fire.

Folks, here's the deal... I'm not going to try to convince those who are either willfully ignorant and choose to hide their heads in the sand, or those who are blinded by hyper-partisanship or cults of personality, as to the current state of affairs.  By now, after being at this for almost 15 years, I know that for some reason or another there are people who no matter what type of evidence you present to them, they will continue to choose denial over reality.

But in my writing (and activism), I do want to reach those who share my concerns; we have work to do, together. More on that later...

Finally, some media organizations are beginning to warn about the dangers of this rapidly-expanding surveillance police state, albeit tepidly.

Tonight The Atlantic ponders: "All the Infrastructure a Tyrant Would Need, Courtesy of Bush and Obama - More and more, we're counting on having angels in office and making ourselves vulnerable to devils."

...But even if all the critics were proved wrong, even if the CIA, NSA, FBI, and every other branch of the federal government had been improbably filled, top to bottom, with incorruptible patriots constitutionally incapable of wrongdoing, this would still be so: The American people have no idea who the president will be in 2017. Nor do we know who'll sit on key Senate oversight committees, who will head the various national-security agencies, or whether the moral character of the people doing so, individually or in aggregate, will more closely resemble George Washington, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, John Yoo, or Vladimir Putin.
Obviously, they are being careful.  They don't want to "go there" yet.  That's understandable, being a major mainstream news organization.  I have no such compunctions.  Not because I'm careless, but of the obviousness of the situation.
Corporations write our legislation. They control our systems of information. They manage the political theater of electoral politics and impose our educational curriculum. They have turned the judiciary into one of their wholly owned subsidiaries. They have decimated labor unions and other independent mass organizations, as well as having bought off the Democratic Party, which once defended the rights of workers. With the evisceration of piecemeal and incremental reform—the primary role of liberal, democratic institutions—we are left defenseless against corporate power.

- Chris Hedges / "Rise Up or Die"

The emphasis is mine

I'm kind of a techie (system administrator, Unix, Linux, MySQL, databases, programming, telcom security experience, etc.).  If I put on both, my techie hat, an my tinfoil hat (which is never too far from my reach), here's a scenario that comes to mind...

You know this script: Tyrannical regimes always go after liberals, progressives, social justice activists, and intellectuals.  Why?  Because in a sea of lies, manipulation and propaganda, they represent the biggest threat because the expose the bullshit.

Now that we have officially gone down the rabbit hole; now that we have crossed the rubicon into an Orwellian reality that includes a total-information-awareness police state, using technology would be extremely easy to map out those the criminal oligarchy identifies as threats, as they did with the Occupy Wall Street movement.

As the rising proto-fascist state slowly takes off its mask, the typical line of defense against it, in the form of intellectuals, writers, liberals (the reals ones), and social justice activists, could be pre-targeted one member at a time, in multiple ways.  And much of it could be done surreptitiously.

Far-fetched?  Check out this, as reported on Huffington Post: '4 Intelligence Officials' Allegedly Joke Of 'Disappearing' NSA Leaker, Reporter

Leading foreign policy analyst Steve Clemons said he witnessed a rather disturbing conversation while waiting for a flight at the Dulles airport on Saturday.

According to Clemons, four men sitting near him were discussing an intelligence conference they had just attended, and turned to the topic of the NSA leaks. One said that both the reporter and leaker should be "disappeared," a term used to describe secret murders and abductions carried out by authoritarian governments. Clemons said on Twitter the suggestion seemed to be "bravado" and a "disturbing joke." He said that the officials were talking loudly, "almost bragging."

I know, so far (as I quote that report), it fits the definition of hearsay, but the point is that this is being reported by a respected foreign policy analyst.

But the larger point here is that this notion of "disappearing" people is being discussed and reported in the open.

Either way, and again, I don't have to hear it from no policy expert, or anybody else.  To me, it is something obvious.

If you you have a proto-fascist police state in ascendancy, and if that government has at its disposal what is essentially a total-information-awareness surveillance system, then logic will tell you they will eventually use it to target those they identify as a threat to their control (tyranny).

Again, this is common sense.  I would ask certain readers that before they call me an "Alex Jones," or a "truther," or a "Glenn Beck" of the left, to answer a couple of simple questions: Do you believe that Wall Street may have committed massive crimes, and that those crimes were not prosecuted because those who would make the decision to prosecute have conflict of interest relationship with the industry?

Do billionaires like Pete Peterson and the Koch brothers fund vast propaganda networks around the country, and organizations like ALEC, who are passing thousands of draconian laws and regulations (that strip citizens of rights and hard-earned benefits)?

Has the government claimed the right to detain both, non-citizens and citizens indefinitely, without due process?  Has the government claimed the right to assassinate U.S. citizens extra-judicially?

Does this ruling elite (government officials on the take and their corporatist paymasters) now have at their disposal a highly-sophisticated total-information-awareness surveillance system?

Are police departments (and policing in general) being militarized?

Folks, it is here.  It's Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four"

Nineteen Eighty-Four is a dystopian novel by George Orwell published in 1949. The Oceanian province of Airstrip One is a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance, and public mind control, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (Ingsoc) under the control of a privileged Inner Party elite that persecutes all individualism and independent thinking as thoughtcrimes.
The emphasis is mine

If people don't rise up against it now, there may come a time when it may be too late.  I still think the "rising up" can be done peacefully, but it needs to be massive, relentless, and much bigger (strategic, and organized) than Occupy Wall Street ever was.

It is up to you.

P.S. I'll save this essay and will read it again in five years, if I can.

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  •  Bottom line. (9+ / 0-)

    Maybe this will get me banned, but here it is.

    President Obama and his top advisors have committed thousands of extrajudicial killings.

    The process, as described by Attorney General Holder, is the same as in El Salvador or Chile or any other tinpot dictatorship of the past 60 years:  a group of high-ranking soldiers and technocrats gets together and decides who should be killed.  Then they kill them.

    And don't forget that President Obama's kill list is based on "profiles" of who had contact with other known or suspected enemies of the state.  Does that sound anything like the type of "metadata" the NSA is gathering?

    It really is that simple - we are too far down the road for outraged diaries and petitions.  We are not going to get our country back unless there is a judicial process for addressing these crimes, including high-ranking members of both the Bush and Obama administrations.

    •  There will be no judicial system that will address (12+ / 0-)

      these issues for the same reason it doesn't address the massive crimes Wall Street committed.

      At this point we the citizens are going to have to force these changes.

      •  Occupy tried to force changes (7+ / 0-)

        We saw what happened to them.  It's fascinating that tea partiers could disrupt congressional town meetings across the country w/o consequence, but a nonviolent protest movement was so ruthlessly supressed.

        I'm really at a loss now.  I do know that electoral politics are largely a futile effort at this point.   I knew a week ago that I was badly conned in 2008.  The true extent of that con became far more apparent this week.  I knew that an unconstitutional surveillance program was ongoing, but the breadth of the unconstitutionality has come as a surprise.

        As someone who has been an atty for almost 30 years now, it scares me to see the extent to which the very concept of the rule of law has lost so much of its meaning.  I also better understand why the president is so eager to bargain w/ the GOP--if you've bought into the "bipartisan" shredding of our founding document, why not get together to cut SS?

        Strange times, indeed.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 07:38:50 AM PDT

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  •  I've been wondering where to retire (16+ / 0-)

    ... in seven or eight years.  So far I've been looking at the Pacific Northwest, but at the rate things are going I may have to become an expat.  Just like with the Democratic party, I feel like I wouldn't be leaving America; it's leaving me.

    It just floors me that people around here would defend this horrific abuse of government power.  The Godwin rule may be becoming obsolete.

    We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

    by Dallasdoc on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 01:18:58 AM PDT

    •  I'm not going anywhere. I'll be right here (3+ / 0-)
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      Don midwest, joanneleon, aliasalias

      in opposition to this bullshit, all the way.

    •  Not defending anything. Not freaking either. (0+ / 0-)

      If the feakout has an action, no doubt I will be there. But I have read comments that hollered Hitler and have been recommended. Yes! It is a freakout and not an action.

      give the NRA the Royal Flush join Stop The NRA

      by 88kathy on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 01:32:56 AM PDT

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    •  Right there with you doc. (7+ / 0-)

      If I can scrape up the money, I'm getting out while the getting is good.

    •  Same (3+ / 0-)
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      Dallasdoc, aliasalias, Ray Pensador

      I'm astounded by the reactions of a significant number of people here.  I guess we'll have to see how indicative it is of the rest of the population.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:24:26 AM PDT

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    •  I moved here in B'ham 8 years ago from Texas (1+ / 0-)
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      and while my primary reason was that across the border in BC I have a son, daughter and two grandsons but I've met a very active base here with very good people.
       (If I could I'd live in British Columbia but that's not possible so here I am as close to BC as I can get.)

      Even my primary care doctor is a member of the Whatcom Docs (this is Whatcom county) who have been politically active against the proposed massive coal terminal 15 miles north of here next to the border.

      You've probably seen the area and it is beautiful which is something we all have to fight to keep that way but it can use more politically aware people which you most certainly are. It is still inside the USA however if you can move to BC it's certainly worth doing but then you would find yourself part of the fight against Harper and his kind.

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 12:18:12 PM PDT

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    •  So, Dd, this is something I have been seriously (0+ / 0-)

      thinking about since 2003............  I saw the handwriting on the wall then and was running around screaming 'the fascists are here' and I was treated as a 'chicken little.'  However, here we are 10 years later and sadly, my perception hasn't changed just deeped and been validated.

      So, I thought of becoming an expat and seriously looked into some options.  But the damn problem is: where?  Canada doesn't want to open it's doors (it is very difficult to get in.)  Where are you thinking about?  I cannot think of a 'safe' place.

      It is tragic to me that the NSA whistleblower was interviewed in HongKong by an American journalist who lives in Brazil, ostensibly because he can't have full freedom with his partner because of DOMA in the US.  

      So, Dd, I would be most interested:  "where would you go?"

      And btw, depending on where one went, I believe that you could still support the US in the huge struggle it is facing.

      We Must DISARM THE NRA The next life you save may be ONE OF YOUR OWN!

      by SeaTurtle on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 02:49:46 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know (1+ / 0-)
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        Haven't thought about it seriously.  Maybe South America, maybe France if I could get in.  Do you have any ideas?

        We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

        by Dallasdoc on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 03:20:40 PM PDT

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        •  Well, as I said, Canada is v. hard to get into it (0+ / 0-)

          if I could tolerate hot weather, I would go to Australia - it is a wonderful place, though under a hole in the atmosphere.  Then there is NZ, but also w/a lot of earthquakes.

          So, my looking has also encompassed how these places are being hit with climate change and its own weather patterns.

          The EU is attractive on one hand, yet I am a little nervous of its economic stability and it also means learning another language.

          So, that is as far as I get.

          We Must DISARM THE NRA The next life you save may be ONE OF YOUR OWN!

          by SeaTurtle on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 07:29:57 AM PDT

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    •  So, Dd would be most interested to know (0+ / 0-)

      WHERE would you consider moving?  I have been thinking about that for years and can't come up with good options.  Canada is very hard to get into.

      We Must DISARM THE NRA The next life you save may be ONE OF YOUR OWN!

      by SeaTurtle on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 02:54:39 PM PDT

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  •  I think it is far more Brave New World than (7+ / 0-)

    1984.  Ok, so we don't have the kind of genetic engineering tech they had in BNW but pretty much everything else fits much easier than it does with 1984.

    You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

    by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 01:59:30 AM PDT

    •  Somebody wrote the other day that it is a little (6+ / 0-)

      bit of both...

    •  Why would people (5+ / 0-)

      dedicate their lives to things like that, the control?

      I don't understand it.  Can they not just, at some point, decide to enjoy life and enjoy their wealth? Why is it never enough?  Why the need for such massive control?  The people with this kind of agenda could choose to take their wealth and live an incredibly pleasant life. Why don't they do that?


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:28:08 AM PDT

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      •  Same question here. (3+ / 0-)
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        aliasalias, Ray Pensador, joanneleon

        The best I can come up with is something someone said long ago in a group conversation regarding the upcoming presidential election:  "Anyone who wants that much power has got to be sick."

        This is why I get sick thinking about the future with our human past being a series of sociopaths grabbing for more and more until it becomes oppressive enough for the people to revolt.  After blood and anguish and struggle the people finally prevail and then yet another series of sociopaths take power and then more and then ever more until the people can't take it any more and then....

        How can we achieve a world of self-actualized people with no need to take a bigger bite than everyone else?  There is always the dim hope that some of these disorders have genetic markers.  But it would seem to me that this was the goal of the democratic party back when they were real democrats:  a self-actualized world.

        Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth - Abraham Lincoln

        by Gustogirl on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 09:30:31 AM PDT

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      •  Because... (3+ / 0-)
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        aliasalias, DelilahOhMy, joanneleon

        they know how unequal it is, and deep down they know if they don't guard their thievery with force there is risk people will rise up and take it away from them. Thus, the ever present concern over shaping and manipulating the minds of the 99%. And its easier and convenient for them if they can do this with the same tools they use to sell their products and wares, using control of the media to suppress the truth and propagate a campaign of lies. This comes quite naturally for them, and they probably think its actually fun.

        Imagine having enormous wealth, and what the world looks like from that lofty vantage point. You would see the less privileged masses, and see how they outnumber you, and it wouldn't be long before you realized  they could simply take it all away from you if they all simultaneously rose up. This really is the nightmare from which all slave-masters suffer, and they know they need control of police authority to protect them. The worse the inequality, the more they exert ever tightening control.

        Having access to power is the rich man's ultimate game, and no other endeavor provides as much intrigue and sport. Way more stimulating than shooting endangered species from your Land Rover while on African safaris.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 10:09:07 AM PDT

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      •  In every historical period there have always (1+ / 0-)
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        joanneleon

        been tyrants.  These people are indeed sick, megalomaniac, parasitic with psychopathic tendencies.

        They are the reason fascism creeps in in societies.

        That's the answer.

  •  I'm pretty tired of people (10+ / 0-)

    saying "oh well, if you aren't doing anything bad then it's no biggie.".

    It's not what you do, it's what whoever has control of the info can say you did with a couple of keystrokes, because they can and they will because we aren't all noble and honest and it only takes a few bad apples to make a lot of trouble.

  •  Remember this comment in five years (4+ / 0-)

    The "Thought Police" is also an interesting aspect to the novel.  Given the advances of HCI (Human Computer Interface), the following question was posed on a different diary- When would be the appropriate time for Congress to begin the conversation of citizens having the right to private thoughts?  Science Fiction today; tomorrow, who knows?

    •  Well eventually it will probably be possible (1+ / 0-)
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      Ray Pensador

      to do a non-invasive, non-destructive full mind state (all your memories and your entire personality) backup/copy and that is where there will have to be some serious discussions.  For example, can they routinely make a "fork" and torture it in a virtual environment in order to gather information.  After all, as long as it is deleted afterwards no harm no foul, right?

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 09:55:07 AM PDT

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    •  plaintiffs in Civil suits over being tortured have (1+ / 0-)
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      Ray Pensador

      been blocked in Court from telling what they think about their experience because that event is 'classified' information and their description would reveal something that is a 'secret' (what/ how things are done).

      The Obama administration has blocked people from getting justice even in Civil court lawsuits, not to mention its work to stop the criminal prosecution of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld (to name just a few) in Spanish and German courts.

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 12:26:57 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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    Cat4everrr, lostinamerica

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:17:13 AM PDT

  •  Yes, they used 1984 as a template (6+ / 0-)

    I dont' think that is CT either.  And they also use "Brave New World" as a template.  Here is Chris Hedges 2 years ago talking about this:

    The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.

    To the NSA douchebag who is reading this: You and anyone associated with this illegal program can all go strait to hell!

    by Indiana Bob on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 07:06:46 AM PDT

  •  16 years late and trillions over budget (1+ / 0-)
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    But yeah. We all like pointing this out.

    How awesome it would be if pointing it it out helped stop it.

    The name will be changed and the program continued until the next leak....

    Destroy the whole system or get comfy.

  •  Conference attended by "joke of disappear leaker" (1+ / 0-)
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    Above is a link to a conference that the people talking in the airport probably attended.

    The update to the article in Huffington Post provided the name to the organization putting on the conference.

    All I can say is Holy Shit.

    from their web page. They have been in business since 1979.

    About INSA  
    The Intelligence and National Security Alliance (INSA) is the premier intelligence and national security organization that brings together the public, private and academic sectors to collaborate on the most challenging policy issues and solutions. As a non-profit, non-partisan, public-private organization, INSA’s ultimate goal is to promote and recognize the highest standards within the national security and intelligence communities. INSA has 150 corporate members and several hundred individual members who are leaders and senior executives throughout government, the private sector and academia. To learn more about INSA visit www.insaonline.org.
    This is the press release so I think it is OK to publish it in full.

    General Michael V. Hayden to Receive the 29th Annual INSA William Oliver Baker Award

    ARLINGTON, VA (February 12, 2013) - The Intelligence and National Security Alliance (INSA) has announced that it will award the 29th Annual William Oliver Baker Award to General Michael V. Hayden, the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the National Security Agency (NSA), as well as the first Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence. General Hayden will receive this award in recognition of his selfless service to the United States and his dedication, commitment and admirable service in our nation’s intelligence agencies and military. Many high ranking members of the intelligence and national security communities will be in attendance to honor General Hayden at the award ceremony and dinner which will be held on Friday, June 7, 2013, at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, DC.
    INSA Chairman Ambassador John Negroponte said, “INSA is proud to host the 29th Annual William Oliver Baker Dinner to honor General Hayden for his outstanding career in the defense and intelligence fields. I have the highest regard for General Hayden. His outstanding background in leadership roles in the government and military make him a most-deserving recipient of this prestigious award and a role model for national security professionals.”  
    General Michael Hayden has dedicated his professional career to public service. In his most recent government position, he served as Director for the CIA from 2006 to 2009. Prior to becoming CIA Director, General Hayden served as the nation’s first Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, and as Director of the National Security Agency. Earlier in his career, General Hayden held positions as Commander of the Air Intelligence Agency and Director of the Joint Command and Control Warfare Center. General Hayden currently serves as a Principal at The Chertoff Group and is a distinguished visiting Professor at George Mason University in Fairfax, VA.
    General Jim Clapper, Director of National Intelligence and former INSA Baker Award recipient said, "I have known and worked with Mike Hayden for many years, most recently during his tenures as Director of NSA, the first PD DNI, and as Director of CIA. I am very pleased that he has been selected as the 2013 Baker Awardee presented by INSA.  This award represents the "crown jewel" of recognition--so richly deserved--of Mike’s long and distinguished career in the Intelligence Community and in public service.”
    INSA’s William Oliver Baker Award was established to promote excellence in intelligence and national security activities of the U.S. government and associated endeavors throughout the private sector.  The annual award recognizes outstanding individuals in the field for their exceptional achievements and sustained contributions or single achievements of extraordinary merit.  Members of the government, industry and academic community are all eligible to receive the award.
    Previous Baker Award recipients include the Honorable Art Money, the Honorable Mike McConnell, Senator John Warner, former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Mr. Richard Kerr, Admiral Bill Studeman, Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper, Lieutenant General Brent Scowcroft, the Honorable Joan Dempsey, the Honorable George Tenet, and INSA Senior Intelligence Advisor Charlie Allen.  Many previous recipients are expected to be in attendance.
    To attend the 29th Annual William Oliver Baker Award dinner on June 7, visit the INSA website in early March to register. For more information on INSA, please visit www.insaonline.org.
    Looks like it is too late to attend the award dinner.

    How about those IRS folks attending conferences?

    The link is in the text, but here it is again:

    http://www.insaonline.org/

    They have announcements of future events. I'll bet they are not cheap!

  •  I remember in 1984, the actual year, there (1+ / 0-)
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    SeaTurtle

    were all sorts of pieces telling us how none of Orwell's predictions had come to pass - and that technology (like faxes, videotapes, xeroxing) were actually making "freedom" MORE possible.

    I was unconvinced as a young person even then.

    Now it's just ludicrous to deny where we're heading.

    Which is actually a nice stew of a bunch of different dystopias.

  •  Yes, I do believe this.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Again, this is common sense.  I would ask certain readers that before they call me an "Alex Jones," or a "truther," or a "Glenn Beck" of the left, to answer a couple of simple questions: Do you believe that Wall Street may have committed massive crimes, and that those crimes were not prosecuted because those who would make the decision to prosecute have conflict of interest relationship with the industry?
    ...but, I don't believe there was no prosecution due to a "conflict of interest".

    I believe Obama made a very deliberate decision to leave it alone, because a prosecution of that scale would have sucked every bit of oxygen out of his first term, leaving him no time or political capital do try and get anything done.

    If he had done that, there would have been no "Obamacare".

    Is that a trade off you would have been willing to make?

    The "conflict of interest" is, however, obvious and inherent in our capitalistic economic structure, though.

    They are essentially partners with the government at this point, and yes, you could go one step further and say they are "partners in crime" if you like.

    The "too big to fail" banks do call the tune, and will continue to do so until banks are nationalized.

    And that is never, ever going to happen.

    You can take that to the bank of your choice.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

    by jkay on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 07:41:57 AM PDT

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    If you actually read the book, you would know what Winston Smith did for a living.

    He was the maintainer of an all-inclusive electronic history archive (think Wikipedia, and here's an example for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/... ). It was his job to alter the history to be consistent with whatever nonsense the government was spouting at the moment. Hope you notice the resemblance to Faux News.

  •  Sure, okay. (0+ / 0-)
    If people don't rise up against it now, there may come a time when it may be too late.  I still think the "rising up" can be done peacefully, but it needs to be massive, relentless, and much bigger (strategic, and organized) than Occupy Wall Street ever was.
    I suppose some will treat this comment with dismissal, but how will you guarantee this uprising won't simply install it's own brand of top down authoritarianism in place of the regime it would bring down?

    Orwell came close to being arrested, possibly tortured and even murdered at the hands of the Republic in Spain, which had been heavily manipulated by the Stalinists, who hated anti-Stalinist communist organizations like the P.O.U.M., whose militia Orwell fought with against the fascists.

    That's what 1984 was all about. Orwell didn't want authoritarianism, whether by a socialist central state, or a capitalist central state. Orwell was a socialist and had some anarchist leanings.

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 11:52:00 AM PDT

    •  That right there, I argue, is the sign of (1+ / 0-)
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      conditioning.  Uprising is too dangerous, people could get hurt, there could be violence, things are not really that bad, even if successful what guarantee there is that a system worst than the one we have would not rise up, etc., etc.

      We have been manipulated and conditioned to think like that, I argue.

      •  Oh my... (0+ / 0-)

        I'm an anarchist. I could more reasonably argue that it is your social conditioning that led you to misunderstand my point, not being sufficiently aware of anarchist views.

        I participated in Occupy in my city, while most people who pine for "revolution" stayed home.

        The only way to end authoritarianism is to stop supporting it. And as long as "revolutionary" movements adopt the same top down control, and act as if elites own the revolution, we will end up right back where we stated with just another face representing the authority.

        The answer is horizontal self management, with participatory communities and worker groups forming networks of federations that are bottom up in management, with recallable and mandated delegates whose function is to implement the instructions of the people they represent.

        Since you're quoting Orwell, I suggest that you read Homage to Catalonia.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 02:14:20 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, I've heard that mantra at the many (0+ / 0-)

          OWS rallies and protests, and meetings I attended in San Diego, Berkeley, Oakland and San Francisco.

          Not buying it.  If you like, follow my work.  If not, move on.  Either way, I have a clear plan...

          •  I don't take orders from you. (0+ / 0-)

            Holy cow, no wonder you have a negative view of OWS.  But if people like you (as I read your attitude) end up in control, we will still need a revolution.

            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

            by ZhenRen on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:04:55 PM PDT

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            •  I have no interest in attaining any type of (0+ / 0-)

              personal power over other people.  My intentions are purely altruistic.  You'll see that over time...

              •  It's not about you. (0+ / 0-)

                You aren't indispensable. Whenever one person sets himself up as an indispensable leader in search of followers, it spells trouble.

                "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

                by ZhenRen on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:21:54 PM PDT

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                •  I totally agree with that. I actually have (0+ / 0-)

                  antipathy towards people who think they are indispensable, in any area, in any arena.

                  And I totally agree that the these issues of social justice activism are not about me.  I have no interest in taking any credit for anything, in becoming the leader of anything.

                  Like I say, if you observe, you'll come to that conclusion eventually.

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