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Just a short diary to highlight a couple videos I found that explains the issue we must finally face, the sweeping up of all of our information and how it can be used to build a dossier on every one of us.

AMIDSTHENOISE

I Spy With My Little Eye: NSA Part 1


Meta My Data: NSA Part 2

So, with the "meta data" they can find out when I call my spouse, when I call my doctor, if I call my parents, what kind of doctor I go to, when I call the pharmacy to place my prescription, when I go to bed AND IF I deviate from my habits, what risk I pose.

They don't need to listen to my conversations, really, to find out who I am.  Anyone claiming otherwise isn't telling you the truth, period.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:33:25 PM PDT

  •  That is why drug dealers and real terrorists use (5+ / 0-)

    prepaid disposable cell phones.  

    The pros can escape metadata tracking.

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:37:31 PM PDT

  •  The "could" doesn't mean they ARE (5+ / 0-)

    without a FISA warrant...

    •  They don't need a warrant to create a profile on (3+ / 0-)
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      every American using the meta data they've been collecting.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:57:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  they don't...if they do it illegally...but if we (3+ / 0-)
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        GDbot, blueyedace2, gerrilea

        are to consider all illegal possibilities...they could hack my iPhone...find my exact location and kill me with a drone.

        don't get me wrong...I am and always have been concerned about the government over stepping their authority...infringing upon my privacy...the most troubling thing about this whole situation should be the 'privatizing' of our intelligence work...smells like fascism to me.

        I trust my government more than I trust corporations.


        We are not broke, we are being robbed.

        by Glen The Plumber on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 06:27:19 PM PDT

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        •  There is no need to do anything "illegal", they've (2+ / 0-)
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          granted themselves the authority to shred the constitution as they see fit and claim it's "legal".

          Why do you bring up "being killed with a drone"?  Are you that far into CT that you can't understand the difference here?

          Compiling our Meta Data and creating profiles on every American without probable cause is the issue.  It's not all innocent, loving and protective, it's unconstitutional and criminal.

          It's Hoover on steroids.  

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 07:37:12 PM PDT

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          •  and any of this is new..??..the Patriot Act was (2+ / 0-)
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            passed when..??..the government has always had profiles on citizens of interest...some times rightfully...some times not.

            we are on the same side...except the difference this time is...it is private contractors sniffing thru our stuff (see above link)...I've yet to see any evidence of the government using this info without a warrant.

            Compiling our Meta Data and creating profiles on every American without probable cause is the issue.
            exactly...f**k google...and facebook, twitter, my bank, phone co., etc...heck they even make me store some of it on my own computer...take your cookies and stick them. ;7)

            it is nice that some in congress are asking to reconsider the Patriot Act...unlike Mr. Greenwald...I've always been against it.

            really...I'm still waiting for more info before I dig in into a position.


            We are not broke, we are being robbed.

            by Glen The Plumber on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:12:13 PM PDT

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            •  This isn't about the Patriot Act, it's been going (0+ / 0-)

              on far longer. since 1994 (and even before) and what is called CALEA.

              EFF has an article on it.

              Congress passed the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) in 1994 to make it easier for law enforcement to wiretap digital telephone networks. CALEA forced telephone companies to redesign their network architectures to make wiretapping easier. It expressly did not regulate data traveling over the Internet.

              But now federal law enforcement agencies want to change that.

              -cut-

              Broadband providers would be required to rebuild their networks to make it easier for law enforcement to tap Internet "phone calls" that use VOIP applications such as Vonage as well as online "conversations" using various kinds of instant messaging (IM) programs like AOL Instant Messenger (AIM).

              Please understand these private contractors are being told to do it by our government.  The ACLU reported on this back in 2004.

              Here's the link for the PDF Report

              The Surveillance-Industrial Complex:How the American Government Is Conscripting Businesses and Individuals in the Construction of a Surveillance Society

              It's a 47 page expose of the dirty little games our government plays to avoid the 4th Amendment, such as this on page 8:

              The Western Goals Foundation. In Los Angeles, thousands of files on activists of all kinds were ordered destroyed in the wake of the revelations of domestic spying in the 1970s. But in 1983 these raw intelligence files were discovered hidden away in the garage of an LAPD detective, who had been sharing them with the Western Goals Foundation, a Cold War anti-communist group that used the files to build private dossiers on progressive political activists around the nation.
              We have entered into a Total Information Awareness Society that threatens everything we hold dear as Americans.

              It's about time people are finally understanding the extent and scope of these things.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 02:06:26 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, it does mean they are (3+ / 0-)

      because they can.

      Have they said that they are not, yet?

      Obama simply justified the program, he did not deny that large databases were being created on the activities of al Americans, in America.

      If they are not doing this ... If they are simply targeting terrorism suspects, then how hard is it to be clear about that, and allow some oversight?

      They can start with de-classifying the interpretation of the law that supposedly makes all this legal.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:21:41 PM PDT

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  •  I love the line (3+ / 0-)
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    It's not just meta data, it's my data.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:57:56 PM PDT

  •  I am still wishy-washy on this, so don't assume... (1+ / 0-)
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    Glen The Plumber

    that I have figured this all out completely.

    But........1] Some people really are crazy
                 2] You want them in jail or a mental institution
                 3] Some of them are in the Big Gov't, some are not
                 4] Big Gov't needs a better way to find those crazies before too much harm can be done to Mother Earth

    I tend to think that some of the crazies might start developing a conscience and some morals if they thought they should be careful about what they thought and said out loud, ...in public..., like here on the internets. Like maybe it is all part of the process of making us ALL a little more intelligent and aware of the unintended consequences our actions have in the world. It isn't just about the individual, the ME, but our place in the fabric.

    Ideally, the silicon could help us achieve the more perfect union but I am guessing it will be as painful as the last couple million years has been.

    End of sad rant....

    There is no they, We will sink or swim together.... We are here to awaken from the illusion of our separateness

    by GDbot on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 06:51:57 PM PDT

    •  Huxley's "Brave New World"??? (1+ / 0-)
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      no thanks.

      This isn't about "mother earth" or some esoteric belief system of the future.

      In the here and now, our government is shredding the fabric of what makes us Americans, freedom.

      Freedom from someone else's belief system being forced upon us as our own, that's what you'd have me buy into, I do not.

      There have always been "crazy" people and we've survived, nothing's changed except now Americans fear themselves.

      Our government has no need to know all that we do unless we are suspected of some crime.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 07:26:28 PM PDT

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      •  Nope, I would not (2+ / 0-)
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        ...that's what you'd have me buy into,...
        I still believe "we" are our government. You. Me. We can fix this.....we have to, and we shall....

        There is no they, We will sink or swim together.... We are here to awaken from the illusion of our separateness

        by GDbot on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:19:05 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't try to imply it would be easy. I live in (2+ / 0-)
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          the State where Joe Arpaio makes too much noise. Arizona used to elect fairly calm and rational Democrats like Bruce Babbitt and  Raul H. Castro. This will take a little effort to get the pendulum to swing back......

          There is no they, We will sink or swim together.... We are here to awaken from the illusion of our separateness

          by GDbot on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:38:13 PM PDT

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  •  The problem with metadata (2+ / 0-)
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    ebohlman, gerrilea

    and the inferences it creates ....

    is that "correlation does not imply causation".

    So if a thunderstorm passes overhead and tomorrow I see the garden Gnomes have moved - is there a connection? and which way does it go?

    And also
      "The plural of anecdotes is not data..."

     Data mining collects correlations and anecdotes... and that's a long way from data, with lots of false positives along the way.

    So in effect Data Mining inverts the traditional American thought that "better that 10 guilty men go free than we convict one innocent.." to "better we collect 10 innocent men and make them prove their innocence, just to find one guilty person....". How has it come to this???

    In a meta-sense, there are a lot of good things that could come from "big Data" - Public health infection issues, say, or economic spending patterns across the country... but all those require interpretation and "Statistics", and the mathematically and scientifically challenged can't grasp meaningful use of data statistically. The scientifically and mathematically ignorant are easily persuaded by one paragraph of breathless AP stories.

    I've been working with Artificial Intelligence software for a lot of years, Autonomous Robots, stuff like that, and this issue is a very difficult problem. When is the "Data" we collect sufficient to make a "conclusion"??. It is still correlation, maybe to a high percentage, but there are always anecdotes that contradict the conclusion ....

    So I go to Safeway and use my loyalty card to pay for a prescription for anti-depressants for my mother-in-law. Now my computer records show that I purchased anti-depressants and maybe my employer finds this info and I'm denied health coverage - and I never know why...".  So much for "If you didn't do anything wrong, what do you have to worry about". Anybody who says that is totally clueless about the modern world.

    "yeah, I stopped by the Mosque every morning, because my brother married a Saudi woman and I drop off their kid at daycare at the Mosque on the way to being a church secretary at the first baptist church...."

    There are a lot of really unpleasant ramifications to this whole data mining thing, and Software Data Engineers ought to be the ones blowing the whistle on this  (and Snowden is sort of in this camp) - they know how horribly wrong this could go....

    Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

    by blindcynic on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 10:14:48 PM PDT

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