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We have a situation where after three or four decades of deliberate and careful planning, a depraved group/junta of corporatist sociopaths has finally taken over the entire system of government.

“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”

     — Franklin D. Roosevelt, April 29, 1938. Message to congress

They've bought off the utterly corrupt money-grabbing politicians; they've corrupted much of the citizenry with 24/7 consumerist propaganda that engenders greed, ignorance, and selfishness; they took over the entire mainstream media apparatus turning it into the most powerful and mind-numbing propaganda machine the world has ever seen.  And here we are: Friday, June 14, 2013, with a fully installed and entrenched total-information-awareness surveillance police state protecting these parasites.

Here's how "Chris Pyle, a former military instructor who exposed the CIA's monitoring of millions of Americans in the 1970s" sees it:
Since 9/11 private corporations have greatly expanded the intelligence community. Seventy percent of the community’s budget now goes to private contractors. So members of Congress, reporters, and suspected leakers are not just vulnerable to government surveillance; they are vulnerable to corporate reprisals, should their investigations or disclosures pose a threat to companies in the intelligence business. These surveillance powers can be used not only to protect secret agencies from criticism; they can be used, as General Motors once used them, to try to discredit critics like Ralph Nader.
The emphasis is mine

With the Fourth of July holiday coming up, I keep wondering when will Americans wake up to what's really happening?  And if for some strange and miraculous reason, a large enough segment actually does (I'd figure 5 or 10 percent would be enough), when would they come to the realization that the only way to stop this fascist system from entrenching itself is to rise up in opposition, in resistance to it in a very massive and convincing show of force manner.

This could be done peacefully, but time is running out...

Many people believe that they have nothing to fear from government/corporate surveillance because they have nothing to hide. But every bureaucracy is a solution in search of a problem, and if it can’t find a problem to fit its solution, they will redefine the problem.  In the 1960s, the surveillance bureaucracies redefined anti-war and civil rights protests as communist enterprises; today the same bureaucracies redefine anti-war Quakers, environmentalists, and animal rights activists as “terrorists.” So political activists, no matter how benign, have good reasons to fear these bureaucracies.

-- Christopher H. Pyle

Christopher H. Pyle teaches constitutional law and civil liberties at Mount Holyoke College. He is the author of Military Surveillance of Civilian Politics and Getting Away with Torture. In 1970, he disclosed the U.S. military’s surveillance of civilian politics and worked as a consultant to three Congressional committees, including the Church Committee.
The emphasis is mine

These shifty, debased, corrupt-to-the-core tyrants have been counting on the willful ignorance of much of the American citizenry in order to move their agenda forward.  But their rapacious greed has gotten so grotesquely excessive that even the most ardent deniers of this reality are having a hard time keeping their heads buried deep in the sand.

Again, most Americans do not worry, because they are not political activists, reporters, investigating legislators, or crusading attorneys general like Eliot Spitzer. Most Americans are like the Germans who did not fear the secret police because they were not Jews.  But all Americans depend on reporters, leakers, and crusading legislators to keep government agencies and private corporations under control. So they should worry about government secrecy, the militarization of surveillance, the privatization of intelligence, and the role of corporate money in elections.

-- Christopher H. Pyle

What to do? Speak truth to power.  Keep on doing all the good work when it comes to trying to elect good public servants.  Keep doing all you're doing on the different causes that of interest to you, whether it is LGTB rights, the environment and climate change, immigration, the social safety net, etc.

But realize that those things are not enough.  We need to congregate in public spaces in huge numbers once again.  Leave the fear and apprehension behind.  Would you rather die by a thousand slow cuts, alone, marginalized, confused, and dispirited (if and when it is your turn to become a victim of this increasingly brutal system?)

Step out; congregate; protest; exercise your constitutional rights of freedom of assembly.  It's time to confront these shifty, slick double-talkers head on.

If the people rise up in solidarity these cowards will back down.

Take the first steps...

Flash mobs have recently become a powerful tactic for political protest, particularly under repressive conditions. In the midst of a harsh crackdown on protests in Belarus in 2011, for instance, dissidents calling themselves “Revolution through the Social Network” began organizing impromptu demonstrations where protesters would simply gather in public spaces and clap their hands in unison. The result was the bewildering sight of secret police brutally arresting people for the simple act of clapping their hands — a powerful challenge to the legitimacy of an increasingly irrational regime

- Beautiful Trouble | A Toolbox For Revolution


They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

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  •  Room 641A. Way Back In 2006 (13+ / 0-)

    the guy in charge off all fiber optics at an AT&T (San Fran) data centerleaked photos and blueprints that the government was spying on us 24/7 and nobody seemed to care.

    They were not looking at this file or that traffic from this IP address. They just spilt the entire line coming into the data center and ran it through their computers. They were grabbing everything.

    Again, nobody seemed to care. I was a new member here and screaming about it 24/7. Again almost nobody seemed to care.

    •  I'm beginning to wonder about whether people (8+ / 0-)

      are actually being controlled (as in brainwashing or conditioning) via the corporate media.

      I often write that as a fact, but one part of me doesn't want to really believe it's possible.

      It's looking like it is not only possible, but very real.

    •  I think that people have hit the limit (10+ / 0-)

      A lot of people have seen what happened to Occupy and seen that the bankers got no jail and have realized exactly what's going on. As much as I wish it were otherwise not everyone is going to see why these sort of things are a problem until it becomes glaringly obvious.

      Add to that the fact that the Dems who were running were supposedly against this and when they won a lot of people just assumed they'd shut it down. And people assumed TIA actually got shut down. Naive, but people still didn't understand the extent of the security state. People really didn't understand the internet.

      I've beentrying to tell people about this since the DMCA and Carnivore and been called a conspiracy theorist or paranoid for my efforts. I'm just glad it's become an issue now. Maybe something will happen.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 11:53:53 AM PDT

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      •  We Just Keep "Giving" Away Rights (3+ / 0-)
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        Look at the huge uproar in the geek/gaming community last week when Microsoft announced the new Xbox. The games from DVD are stored on your hard drive, so the games are faster. But when this is done they attach your Xbox ID to them. So basically if you and I are friends, we can't exchange a game and play it.

        As a big fan of Gamestop, I buy a lot of used games. Folks have no idea how that will work (insert it won't). I know it is a little thing in the grand scheme of things but at some level they are telling me I don't "own" the game and can't sell it or give it to you to play.

        Good thing I am a PS3 guy :).

        •  We haven't given away anything (1+ / 0-)
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          It's been taken from us. Sure, a lot of us made it easier for these rights to be taken from us, but blaming people for having their rights stolen won't get us anywhere.

          As for the XBone, I actually have a 360, even though I hate microsoft. I got it because it was cheaper than a PS3 at the time and the games were cheaper. I don't even have internet where I live so the X-Bone isn't even an option. Even if I did I wouldn't use it. And people are rightly saying that it's probably going to ruin microsoft. There's even industry folks that I know who won't be getting it.

          It's all coming to a head and people are finally at the point where being slightly uncomfortable with what has been going on has turned into concern, which is slowly turning to anger. If there is any emotion that the American public knows how to mobilize around it is anger. It's what we built this country on.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:23:35 PM PDT

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          •  I Don't Know If They Were Taken Away (1+ / 0-)
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            or we gave them away. I really don't. I think it is kind of a combo of both.

            I mentioned the Xbox example cause I think it is telling. My father and I are book readers. Heck he bought the house across from where he lives for his books. He has that many. I see him almost weekly and we exchange books.

            We don't have a lot in common, but we can agree that books are wonderful and it is a place we can connect.

            There have been Supreme Court cases on who owns a book. And the court has found you do, so you can sell it if you want. I wonder if Microsoft doesn't have a legal team that can't see they will run into this problem. That if I buy that game I own it and can give it to you to play if you want.

            I mean I wanted to get the new Xbox. I am a Sony guy myself, but my brother has a 360 and there are a few platform specific games I'd like to play.

            I won't touch that platform with a 20 foot pole for a number of reasons. One is what you kind of mentioned, it appears you can't use it if you don't have an online account. I don't need another monthly expense. And I refuse to buy any gaming system where I can't put in a disk and just play.

  •  Don't worry be happy (5+ / 0-)


    This country is seriously fucked.

    He who would trade liberty for security deserves great customer service.

    by Publius2008 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 11:50:15 AM PDT

  •  Let me ask this: (1+ / 0-)
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    What's the difference between the NSA doing this, and Google doing it to shoot you spam and internet ads, or Amazon doing it and suggesting which books you may like?

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 11:56:34 AM PDT

    •  The Biggest Difference Is You Agree To (4+ / 0-)
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      AoT, triv33, greenbell, poligirl

      their terms and conditions. I know nobody reads them, but you do choose to allow them to use your information in the manner you outlined.

      I didn't agree to the government having access to my information. And as with something like Google, well I can agree not to use their services if I don't like how they operate.

      The other problem is most folks don't connect the dots the way you did. Folks are confused when I explain that you might search Google for something. Then visit a site like here, that runs the Google AdSense program, and oh wow there is an ad for what you just searched for.

      They don't connect the dots or worse don't even understand it is happening.

      •  Oh I Should Note I Now Believe If (2+ / 0-)
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        greenbell, AoT

        tomorrow you started up your computer and their was a box asking you if it was OK for the government to have access to your Internet activity, well a lot of people would click that box that they agree.

        My views on the world really have not changed that much in the last few decades. Not so many years ago if you called me a radical I would have laughed at you.

        But alas it would seem the world around me is changing to the point that may views I have are starting to look kind of radical. Heck if we keep going down this path I may very well be at a protest where I handcuff myself to something and get arrested.

        •  And if they didn't click it then (1+ / 0-)
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          they wouldn't be able to tell very many people about it. I mean, that would mean I'd have to agree on my phone as well, so I couldn't even call anyone. Or they'd have to agree to answer.

          I wouldn't be able to tell anyone on dailykos. I'd basically just disappear from the internet one day. That's what would also happen if I refused various companies terms of service as well. Including this site.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:33:25 PM PDT

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          •  It Scares Me. I Am A Huge Tech Nerd (1+ / 0-)
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            but I told myself I'd never go to the smartphone. I mean I work out of my house and don't travel much anymore for work, so just a phone that can take and make a call was everything I wanted/needed.

            Well I went to the super high-end Andriod phone and it kind of freaks me out.

            Again I am a tech nerd. I design web sites and do social media for my clients, but alas I don't often do any if it for myself. I mean when you are doing it for a living, not as much fun to do when you are not being paid for it :).

            I wanted to play around with things like Foursquare and Waze (Google just bought them). Now I mentioned nobody reads the Terms & Conditions, and clearly I don't.

            Somehow Foursquare is tweeting out and posting on Facebook my location. Lucky I wasn't in like an adult book store or something, but it keep sending out I was at a hospital. I don't follow or check into Facebook often, so I only realized this was happening when folks started to text and email me to ask if I was OK or if I was in the hospital.

            Again this really freaked me out. TMI.

            •  You know about the guardian project? (1+ / 0-)
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              out of left field

              The first thing I do when I get a new phone is root it and then install all the guardian project apps.

              It isn't perfect but the more people using encryption the better.

              I tried to erase my facebook once and failed miserably. It kept restarting my account when I'd go to a site that was somehow connected to facebook, even just a little share button sometimes. It reactivated like 15 times before I gave up. It's absurd.

              I still think it would be great to do a facebook protest action where we just start reporting tons of posts as inappropriate. Maybe pair that with posting a ton of inappropriate photos. But then people will just go to google plus I suppose. The lack of a peer to peer social network is the real problem right now. sigh, so much is fucked up it's hard to know where to start.

              If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

              by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 01:01:23 PM PDT

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              •  Nope But Bookmarked (1+ / 0-)
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                I have to admit there are things about the phone I would have told you I didn't need and wouldn't like. I in fact do like them. Love the darn thing. But I can't seem to get it to do everything I want.

                And at the top of the list it seems to share a lot more info then I would like. My mom was in the ICU for three weeks. In a city I know nothing about. I like Foursquare knew I was in Evansville IN and that there was a "greasy spoon" open at 3 AM where I could get a cup of coffee, some eggs, and hashbrowns.

                But I didn't need Foursquare sending out a tweet telling folks I was eating there.

                •  Root the phone and then get Link2SD (0+ / 0-)

                  and you can remove those always on programs. The guardian project also has a firewall app that can restrict outgoing traffic.

                  If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                  by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 01:52:47 PM PDT

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      •  Aren't elections (2+ / 0-)
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        webranding, AoT

        a far better version of 'terms and conditions'?

    •  they can't come get you (7+ / 0-)

      and take you away for indefinite detention? They don't have the power of the US government behind them? Just for starters.

      I shave my legs with Occam's razor~

      by triv33 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:02:12 PM PDT

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    •  OMFG! Are you seriously asking that? We do (5+ / 0-)

      have work to do:

      Please, if you are really, genuinely interested in the answer to that question, would you be kind enough to read this:

      Edward Snowden and the Real Issues
      And this:
      Rise Up or Die
      Corporations write our legislation. They control our systems of information. They manage the political theater of electoral politics and impose our educational curriculum. They have turned the judiciary into one of their wholly owned subsidiaries. They have decimated labor unions and other independent mass organizations, as well as having bought off the Democratic Party, which once defended the rights of workers. With the evisceration of piecemeal and incremental reform—the primary role of liberal, democratic institutions—we are left defenseless against corporate power.
    •  Google can't arrest me n/t (5+ / 0-)

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:06:06 PM PDT

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    •  another difference is that those companies (7+ / 0-)

      gather certain facets of our info that pertain to them. there are little pieces of my info all over the place.

      but this program syncs them all together in one central place for the gov't.

      which of course is another HUGE difference.

      can Amazon put me in jail? can Google have me arrested? does Yahoo have the power to send me to Gitmo? can PayPal audit me?

      you do understand that the gov't has an exponentially larger amount of power over its citizens than a company has over it's consumers, right?

      The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

      by poligirl on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:24:33 PM PDT

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    •  Do I pay taxes to Google? (nmi) (3+ / 0-)
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      poligirl, aliasalias, triv33

      "En todas partes se manifiesta el GRAN ABISMO entre la gente común y los poderosos" -- from a tweet posted on

      by Cassiodorus on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:29:08 PM PDT

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  •  We just need to sing a song about the (2+ / 0-)

    Democratic Party, and help celebrate Boy George's 52nd birthday--

    Church Of The Poison Mind

    Desolate loving in your eyes
    You used to make my life so sweet
    Step out like a god found child
    I saw your eyes across the street

    Ooh, I've been a fool to take you to be
    More than just kind, to stare
    Into a life of maybe, love
    Is hard to find

    In the church of the poison mind
    In the church of the poison mind
    In the church of the poison mind

    Watch me clinging to the beat
    I had to fight to make it mine
    That religion you could sink in neat
    Just move your feet an' you'll feel fine

    Ooh, I've been a fool to maybe trade,
    A kiss in time, and who
    Am I to say that's crazy
    Love will make you blind

  •  What I find astounding is that as corporations (7+ / 0-)

    take over more and more of the security apparatus, Congress has willingness given up its right to speak freely to the American people.  I keep hearing these COWARDS in Congress tell us that well they wanted us to know but they weren't allowed to tell us.  Hello?!  Obviously, Congress has abdicated its responsibility to represent us.  I don't see how we still have a free country if we are denied the information we need to govern ourselves.  Yet at the same time Congress can't tell us and we can't know, these global corporations are told and for that matter they're probably dictating to Congress.

  •  Police State? (0+ / 0-)

    I prefer to get my information from people who actually know what they're talking about, instead of people sitting behind their computers all day trying to stir up lies. And who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. None whatsoever.

    Sometime after 9/11, al-Qaeda members figured out that a great way to transmit information over the Internet was by not transmitting it at all. Instead, a terrorist would open an account with a free service like Hotmail or Google, write an e-mail, and rather than sending it or even writing in the address of a recipient, would store it in a “draft” folder. Then, through other means such as a satellite phone or another e-mail account, a coded message would be sent to the planned recipient telling him the account name and the password. The recipient would know to open the account, check the draft file, and then delete the account. Once the N.S.A. knew through other means of the existence of the message, it would gain access to the temporary account through a court-issued subpoena to the company, read the secret message, and watch what happened. By 2010, though, the terrorists figured out this wasn’t working anymore and changed tactics.
    So, if the information the government is obtaining isn’t from direct access to the servers, and the subpoenas are issued only after a foreign national has been targeted, where does the data come from? There is data scooping, but not like you think.
    •  Are you also referring to Professor (5+ / 0-)

      Christopher H. Pyle, and award-winning journalist Chris Hedges?

      Sometimes is hard to break through the obtuse mind, but here we go...

      The issue is not whether there are actual security threats against our nation.  The issue is having for-profit companies who focus on constant market growth having so much control and influence over our national security.

      Do you understand the implications of that?  If not, I can explain further, or you can read Mr. Pyle's article.

      •  We are not living in a police state (0+ / 0-)

        Anyone with an ounce of brain knows that.

        So tired of the GD insults from "the left" directed at those of us who are intelligent enough not to believe every GD thing Greenwald or you or anyone has to say on this subject.  

        Anybody who has ever read ONE history book knows damn well we do not live in a police state. Despite what you think, we actually do know what a police state is. We can think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions with no help from you.

        You have a problem with the NSA and what they're doing? First of all, you don't have all the facts.

        Once you have ALL THE FACTS, and you want changes - put a campaign together. A mature reasoned campaign without the totalitarian and police state bull shit.

        •  The police state won't let us have ALL THE FACTS (2+ / 0-)

          My mature reasoned campaign is to vote out of office any member of Congress who believes that he can hide the facts from me.  Near as I can tell, that means I must vote them ALL out of office.

          •  Oh the irony (1+ / 0-)
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            You're just going to simply vote out members of Congress.

            In a police state.

            Go for it.

            •  He/She would like to, as I would, but we won't (3+ / 0-)

              be able because we live in a surveillance police state corporatocracy, where democracy is an illusion.

            •  Not so ironic (2+ / 0-)
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              Because it isn't going to work is it?  But I shall do my poor best to resist even if resistance is futile.   Now, someone chime in and tell me why I can't vote 3rd party even if both parties are doing whatever they can to deprive me of my 4th amendment rights.  Someone else please step up and remind me that losing my 4th amendment rights is a lesser evil than I'm not sure what it is a lesser evil than but I'm sure the Department of Propaganda has issued some talking points on this by now so we should get that on the record here.  

              •  People in Germany (not enough) listened to Hitler (0+ / 0-)

                and they packed up and left. For good. Some had no money at all.

                If I thought I were living in a police state, I'd leave. It's not a place I would my children growing up in.

                If you think the United States of America doesn't care about your rights (millions of us would differ btw), then perhaps you should think about living someplace else.

                In the meantime, there are millions holding their breath waiting for immigration legislation. Here in the United States of America.

                •  Oooooh, America love it or leave it (2+ / 0-)
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                  Ray Pensador, aliasalias

                  Such an original idea but hey, they can drone us anywhere these days.  

                  I note that you are not able to provide a practical means for me to get my 4th amendment rights returned.  That you believe leaving the country is my alternative seems to make my point.

                •  what happened under Hitler wasn't all at once (1+ / 0-)
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                  Ray Pensador


                  "To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head."
                  (emphasis mine)

                  without the ants the rainforest dies

                  by aliasalias on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 01:24:40 PM PDT

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    •  That Is Geek Email Safety 101 (2+ / 0-)
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      AoT, Justus

      I've never really looked, cause I don't have a lot to hide, but I am 110% sure with my technical skills and a little searching I could easily find a way to hide everything I do.

      Heck I mentioned using a proxy server in another comment here. Most folks might now know what I mean by that. But basically if you've every set-up a router in your house you know your computer has a specific IP address you use to connect to the Internet. It is unqiue to you and actually carries a fair amount of info. For example, if I had you IP address I could geo-locate you (like with your phone BTW) to within about 20 meters.

      Well in the early 2000 when we invade Iraq the German publication Der Spiegel has some amazing video I wanted to watch. But they were restriction it only people in Germany (again that darn IP address).

      So I went to find how to connect to a proxy server in Germany so I could view it. I figured it would be hard. Took me like 10 minutes.

      What I am saying is if I wanted to do something illegal (which I don't) or I was a terrorist, pretty sure I could figure out how to cover my tracks in a matter of hours.

    •  If someone only cites the letter of the law (1+ / 0-)
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      and not the various court decisions pertaining to that law then they aren't talking about the law, they are talking about nothing. And since this person relies solely on the law as written and not on any decisions, which are all secret, then he clearly has no knowledge of what the law actually is. So he's written an entire article about a law he clearly knows nothing about and you cite him as "someone who knows what he's talking about."

      You'll excuse me if I'm less than impressed.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:37:20 PM PDT

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  •  It's all okay -- (6+ / 0-)

    if they have a (D) next to their names.  More and better Democrats y'know. /snark

    "En todas partes se manifiesta el GRAN ABISMO entre la gente común y los poderosos" -- from a tweet posted on

    by Cassiodorus on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:32:04 PM PDT

    •  I see that. It's amazing; and terrifying. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    •  For As Long As I Can Recall I Read Glenn Greenwald (6+ / 0-)

      on a daily basis. Back when he just had a blog. Before The Guardian. Before Salon. I got this tab/folder called "Media" in my browser. About 20 sites I try to visit on a daily basis. I often don't agree with this or that written on those sites.

      I can't really recall a time where I didn't agree with Glenn. And he has been ranting on this topic 24/7. I'd often post or write things about him here, but honestly stopped cause he is just as hard on Obama as he was on Bush. That seems to piss folks off here, and honestly that isn't my goal/objective.

      But he talks about how many so called "liberals" hated Bush doing this or that. But Obama does the same thing, and we are cool with that. Personally I am not!

      •  It's called integrity. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      •  I think the mentality is this: (4+ / 0-)

        if you are going to support the (D) against the (R) in every election, you might as well endorse the (D) agenda because, since the (R)s are worse, anything less than full loyalty to the (D) agenda damages their chances of winning.  In this diary I call it "self-repression," and it's the single worst thing for the Left in America, worse than corporate rule, worse than the Tea Party.

        "En todas partes se manifiesta el GRAN ABISMO entre la gente común y los poderosos" -- from a tweet posted on

        by Cassiodorus on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 12:51:31 PM PDT

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        •  In My Little Rural Town I Often Vote Republican (1+ / 0-)
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          cause the folks are good at their jobs. And if you are good at your job I will vote for you. I could careless your party. We voted to raise our taxes to build schools. To build parks. And we fill out every government form we can to get funding from the state or the Federal government.

          I see the whole "tea party" thing and I am confused, cause that isn't how it works where I live. I mean a "tea party" guy ran for the open House seat and he was laughed out of the room, by Republicans.

  •  their most important weapon is still ignored (1+ / 0-)
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    by those most at risk- activists.

    the real secrecy problem here is what lies are being screamed from all those giant radio stations. usually the left has no clue except for occasional egs of sexism and racism.

    the nearly complete ignore-ance of RW radio got us here- any past efforts to regulate this crap by dems has been obstructed by republicans who depend mightily on the left's hands off approach to talk radio.

    any present and future attempts to limit corporate and gov surveillance will be compromised and obstructed by efforts largely led by the unchallenged screaming and fear mongering coming from that radio monopoly.

    bush, the xenophobic racist reaction to 911, the patriot act were all non starters without right wing radio.

    there is little hope, even if the teabagger/talk radio base joins in at first, of passing meaningful reform. the teabagers may go along for a bit and then the rationalizations for withdrawing their support will be sold and they will follow the republican voting with few exceptions.

    and how many thousands of protestors are a few blowhards with big microphones worth? those reps who would rather take the money don't have to pay attention to protestors and activists - the radio blowhards and their made-to-order constituencies are louder and better timed in their yelling.

     and the blowhards can lie about the protestors and their motives, egg on the cops and state govs, and excuse the cops for weeks after the protestors have gone home or were beaten up.

    until the RW radio monopoly is taken seriously forget any real reform or fact-based national discussions around this issue.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 01:37:21 PM PDT

  •  We can sit back and marvel how it happens (2+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador, Deward Hastings

    all over again.  It's the same thing only different.

    "America is the Terror State. The Global War OF Terror is a diabolical instrument of Worldwide conquest."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 02:25:30 PM PDT

  •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador, snacksandpop
    are not just vulnerable to government surveillance; they are vulnerable to corporate reprisals, should their investigations or disclosures pose a threat to companies in the intelligence business. These surveillance powers can be used not only to protect secret agencies from criticism; they can be used, as General Motors once used them, to try to discredit critics like Ralph Nader.
    And we wonder why we can't get any legislation reining in the corporations.

    And we wonder why we can't get any legislation reining in the security state.

    Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 03:07:10 PM PDT

  •  I thought this quote was a bit concerning- (0+ / 0-)
    And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.
    It's a good thing we don't identify-with or trust hardly anyone anymore.

    -- We are just regular people informed on issues

    by mike101 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 at 09:00:32 PM PDT

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