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He is defending We the People from Our enemies, the people who are spying on us and monitoring us and video surveilling us.

(and, at the end, I will explain that President Obama got this right.)

Who are our enemies?

For starters, they are the people who revived the Writ of Assistance, the general search warrant of King George III.  That's what the NSA search without limit approach is, a Writ of Assistance in which absolutely everything is searched.

Snowden is wise to hide.  

He is running from a government that believes in indefinite detention without trial.  This includes people in Guantanamo known to be innocent. In contrast, as Solzhenitsyn reminds us, prisoners in the Soviet Gulag all were given formal sentences of fixed duration.

He is running from a government that believes in torture, including waterboarding and forced feeding.

He is running from a government that has already assassinated its own citizens without even a Stalinist show trial.

He is running from a government that views massive violent entry as a police technique, as opposed to the SS polite knock at the door, as described by my former NSF program officer, who I gather witnessed one from inside.

Yes, Snowden is wise to run.*

Yes, President Obama got this right.  When, We the People, the owner-creators of Our Constitution, find that we cannot trust the Executive, the Congress, or the Judiciary, there may be some problems.

Like Watergate, but far more serious.

*and if you object that I am comparing us with truly evil people, perhaps we should fix the factual comparisons, which speak for themselves.

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  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 0-)
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    Crider, DFWmom, corvo, Deward Hastings, chimene

    Restore the Fourth! Save America!

    by phillies on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 06:48:38 AM PDT

  •  I don't know if he's a patriot or a fool, but (6+ / 0-)

    he did what was right.   I don't blame him for running and trying to protect his ass.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Elizabeth Warren 2016

    by dkmich on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 06:58:35 AM PDT

  •  he is a criminal and a traitor. Life will not be (1+ / 0-)
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    zubalove

    good for him on the run.

  •  He should be renditioned and tortured (1+ / 0-)
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    corvo

    I am not worried about the great mastermind terrorist Snowden getting away.  

    Wherever he ends up, we can just send in Seal Team Six to get him, bring him to one of our secret overseas prisons, and torture him.

    Then the president can get on TV and tell us all about the many attacks that have been interrupted and the lives saved.

    Domsetic spying, rendition, and torture make Americans safe from terrorists.  It works so we would be foolish to not do these things.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:13:03 AM PDT

    •  excellent snark (1+ / 0-)
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      Buckeye Liberal

      that unfortunately reflects the way that many here, and probably a majority of Americans, actually think.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 08:16:30 AM PDT

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  •  Personally for me he lost any claim to that label (3+ / 0-)
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    kayfromsouth, zubalove, psilocynic

    when he ran to the military and economic rivals of the US because he knew they would harbor him for his information or at least to maintain the egg on the face of the US.

    I agree with many others on both sides of this issue though that it's pretty damn tiring to continue to talk about Snowden.

    I was gonna listen to that, but then, um, I just carried on living my life. - Aldous Snow

    by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:22:37 AM PDT

  •  Oy veh. (4+ / 0-)
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    zubalove, phillies, psilocynic, Lawrence

    Can we please stop with the rox/sux personality fight?

    I don't give a shit what Snowden is or is not.  I care about what he revealed in the first two leaks - the FISC section 215 order and the PRISM slides.  I would oppose any prosecution for those two things.  The rest of what he has revealed so far is a different matter.

    But bottom line, all this hero/traitor shit is drowning out the important issues.  Let's not let that happen, please.

    “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

    by jrooth on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:29:02 AM PDT

  •  In fact, I do object to you comparing (1+ / 0-)
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    psilocynic

    Guantanamo to Soviet Gulags, in which countless millions died.

    I also object to comparisons with the Gestapo.

    I especially object to the fact that you are actually favorably comparing Gulags and the Stalinist System, which was one of the most murderous in the history of mankind, to the U.S.

    These comparisons are disgusting and you need some frigging perspective.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:34:16 AM PDT

  •  When you release information about intelligence (1+ / 0-)
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    FG

    operations in and against a foreign country, you cease to be a "patriot"

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 09:18:24 AM PDT

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