Skip to main content

From the local paper:

Rockford's mayor is a colorful fellow, something of which Illinois is never in short supply in terms of politics and politicians.  An independent who came to office championing education and roads, both of which needed (and still need) a lot of work in that city.  He's not a very popular guy, being the recipient of several locally publicized death threats.

Apparently at a local meeting to discuss firearm issues he makes the following claims:

-His views on gun control have 'evolved' since he took office, and after becoming familiar with the kinds of crime Rockford experiences, thinks the focus should not be on law abiding citizens.

-Although he does not own a handgun, he has a rather large security detail.  He does plan on getting a handgun and a concealed carry permit out of the imperative to be able to protect himself.

-He claims to have joined MAIG because he in fact, was very much against illegal guns (who isn't?).  The organizations campaign against magazines and semiautomatic rifles (both of which are, in fact, legal in most of Illinois) caused him to feel that membership in MAIG was no longer in line with his beliefs.

Winnebago County, of which, Rockford is the largest city, has  tried several times to attempt an end run around the state's lack of concealed carry laws.  All of this became a moot point with the passing of a bill to allow concealed carry in Illinois awaiting the Governor's signature.

Originally posted to Endangered Tradition on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 11:00 AM PDT.

Also republished by Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  So let him leave MAIG (3+ / 0-)

    what is he, a hostage?

    Stay or leave, and take the political consequences.

    Your first link to the "local paper" is not functional.

    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

    by coquiero on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 11:09:50 AM PDT

    •  Exactly, we don't ask lifetime fealty to (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      coquiero, DefendOurConstitution

      a pledge. It's just a coalition, and coalitions change and evolve.

      He's been captured.

      New legislation may inconvenience law abiding gun owners. But as we see daily in the gunfail diaries, benefits of tighter regulation and better enforcement will accrue to the millions of people, including children, which currently have to live with a gun in the home, their neighbor's negligence with their gun, and the parents of their child's friend failing to lock up their guns.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 11:17:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Except that no such benefits.... (6+ / 0-)

        have been demonstrated to accrue in areas with tighter regulations.

        Your hate-mail will be graded.

        by PavePusher on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 04:41:18 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You mean except for all those (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          DefendOurConstitution, coquiero

          people in other countries who aren't getting shot?

          Is that what you mean by no evidence?

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 05:03:53 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I'd say your assertion falls into the "post hoc (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            happy camper, PavePusher

            ergo propter hoc" fallacy category, but it doesn't even have the "post hoc" going for it.

            Those countries had lower "gun crime" rates than we did before their restrictions, and generally, after the restrictions - as in the UK - the "gun crime" rate actually went up.

            Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

            by Robobagpiper on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 04:44:12 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Links please (0+ / 0-)

              I understand that has been reported, but I'd like credible sources that dailyKos RKBA members, such as yourself, find persuasive.

              Thanks.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:15:54 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Why was that? (0+ / 0-)
              Those countries had lower "gun crime" rates than we did before their restrictions,
              Did they also have lower suicide rates?

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:39:46 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  I understand your perspective (0+ / 0-)

          I'm thinking of tighter sanctions for those who prove they are unable to safely secure and/or safely use a firearm.

          According to the National Library of Medicine, 40% of homes with children don't keep their guns locked up. And more than half of unintentional shooting are committed by children and teens.

          That's a pretty large hole in a gun culture that prioritizes gun owners freedom to be sloppy, stupid, careless, and impulsive when they regularly expose their whole house hold and anyone who visits, to "accidental" injury or death.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:14:10 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  it's all about perspective. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            PavePusher

            All of my firearms are locked up and dissembled in two safes (one or weapons, the other for their bolts/barrels.  That is, except for the one I happen to be carrying on me.  It's in a retention holster, on my person.

            By one person's standards, this is an unsafe condition, the firearm I'm carrying isn't locked up and exposing everyone to 'accidental' injury or death!

            By another person's standards, this is more secure then a lot of gun owners.

            Some people, who are uncomfortable with the notion that the right of self defense is indeed a civil right, consider any firearm not disassembled and stored under lock and key as unsafe.  According to the standards of the National Library of Medicine, I"m probably in that 40% of unsafe firearms owners because I'm (legally) carrying a loaded, unlocked firearm in my own house!

            Tighter sanctions for those who break the law, I"m all for, as long as were including gang bangers and other criminals who are using illegal firearms in the commission of a crime, and not simply focusing on laws aimed at lawful oweners of firearms.

          •  Eureka! (0+ / 0-)
            That's a pretty large hole in a gun culture that prioritizes gun owners freedom to be sloppy, stupid, careless, and impulsive when they regularly expose their whole house hold and anyone who visits, to "accidental" injury or death.
            I'm sure you can cite to this "hole"?  Anyone promoting carelessness and negligence?

            That must be why the anti-gun groups all have a plethora of training courses on gun safety, proper use, lawful self-defense, offer insurance and incentives to buy gun locks and safes, just like the NRA and other pro-2A groups, right?

            Oh... wait a minute... They don't do any of that?  How very odd.....

            Your hate-mail will be graded.

            by PavePusher on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 02:22:48 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  It's not a coalition, it's an astroturf (5+ / 0-)

        Depending on the year, MAIG is between 80% and 100% funded directly out of the pocket of the right-wing authoritarian  thug Michael Bloomberg, the "hero" of stop-and-frisk and the pepper spraying of old ladies standing with OWS.

        Other mayors sign on because it "looks good", because its name is deceptive, and because it might get them some of Bloomberg's money come election time.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 04:42:29 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks for this (0+ / 0-)

          I live in NYC and am well aware of Mayor Bloomberg's flaws - there are many. He's the worst kind of democrat - yes, he was a democrat, and in order to skirt the democratic primary he switched his party affiliation and ran as a Republican.

          Nevertheless he has done a few things well.

          Your cynicism is important, if it helps some people to get out of their hero worship.

          No, MAIG is not a grass roots organization, but it's not really an astroturf organization either. They are all elected officials, and anyone can look to see if their mayor is part of the group. Bloomberg has been vocal about this issue for a long time, and was re-elected with his position fully known.

          Tell me something. Why do so many daily kos RKBA members seem so bitter about any org that stands up to the perceived political power of the NRA.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:27:23 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Who's bitter? (4+ / 0-)

            MAIG is misguided and counterproductive, IMHO. Personally, I think they make Democrats look like they want to keep guns away from the law abiding. All I see them doing is advocating for laws that have little effect on illegal guns, and running buyback programs that are of limited utility.

            Now, if they'd get behind something with a proven track record of reducing deaths and injuries, like targeted policing, which focuses on actual, known criminals and their activities, I would support that, along with just about every one else.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 06:54:42 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Can we return our attention to focus of the diary? (0+ / 0-)

              If the Mayor from Rockford wants out of MAIG, he should get out of MAIG, and MAIG should not list him as a member.

              I'll leave comments about his politics to people who know about his politics. I have no opinion of his joining MAIG or leaving MAIG. People priorities can change. According to the article he received death threats and wants to carry a firearm for self defense. I fully support his right to do that. I'm not asking that he walk around exposed and just take his chances.

              Where I have a problem is with the assumption that any adult who is afraid is suddenly competent to own/carry/use a firearm for self defense.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 07:59:06 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  depending on who you ask, yes. (5+ / 0-)

      The Mayor has claimed before that he has asked to be taken off of the MAIG roles.  Yet his name is still there.

      He has a bit of a slippery history, and has been known to talk out of both sides of his mouth on issues.

      So either, he really has had a change of heart, but MAIG won't de-list him.  Or he's trying to play to both the anti's and the (much larger contingent around Rockford) pro-gun side.  
      He's either being used by MAIG to show larger support for an agenda that has limited appeal (especially in NW Illinois, he's the only real MAIG mayor up here), or he's using MAIG as political cover (remember, he's an independant, he could deffinately use their politcal dollars, too) to insulate himself and/or attempt to beef up his campaign fund (he's expected to be challenged from both the Democrats and the republicans).

      So yeah, hostage might be a good word.  the real question is, who's the real hostage, him, MAIG, or the voters?

  •  Some areas of that town ..... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    coquiero, LilithGardener

    I haven't been there in quite awhile but back in the day West Rockford was one of the heaviest 'hoods around.  I don't think anything matches this in Illinois outside a few parts of Chicago and of course East Saint.  I'm anti-gun and have never owned one but if I had business there I'd possibly consider packing some heat.

  •  I don't think there's any quitting MAIG, it's like (3+ / 0-)

    the mafia or something, or maybe they just like using people's names.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Mon Jun 24, 2013 at 07:50:27 PM PDT

    •  using people names, like, Tamerlan Tsarnaev and (4+ / 0-)

      Chris Dorner in their 'victims of gun violence' roles that they read?

    •  all joking aside (5+ / 0-)

      the Mayor of Rockford is just slippery enough that taking him at his word is hard.

      I used words like 'claims' and 'apparently' a lot in my diary for a reason, I think there's a very good chance that he's trying to both have/eat his cake here.

      There's a lot of that going around in Illinois right now.

      •  There is a lot of this in politics (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        KVoimakas
        I think there's a very good chance that he's trying to both have/eat his cake here.
        So I'm not surprised that there will be cynical participants in any coalition. I really appreciate your report and analysis on this.

        What the best mechanism for the voters to pin the slippery pol down on gun policy. Has he actually done re gun safety since he's been in office.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:32:47 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Links please nt (0+ / 0-)

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 05:29:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think the diarist (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        LilithGardener

        has it right--the Rockford mayor is trying to have it both ways. A NH mayor quit MAIG in May, and her name is no longer on the list.

        The New Hampshire Journal website reported early Monday that Lozeau had been on the group's list of 950 mayors involved in the coalition in early May but that her name no longer appeared, leaving Dover's Trefethen as the only New Hampshire mayor in the coalition.
        This article is an interesting read: http://www.unionleader.com/...

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 07:11:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks nt (0+ / 0-)

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 08:03:29 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  It seems that some people will withdraw (0+ / 0-)

          from MAIG. I respect the right of politicians to do what they think is best for their constituents, and know that most will also do what they need to do for political survival.

          It's NH - live free or die, right?

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 25, 2013 at 10:35:48 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site