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OK, so the strike down of the Voting Rights act was a travesty for democracy, much akin to the Citizens United debacle.  But it seems to me that this speed bump in the road could be a bit easier to deal with than Citizen's United.  We simply don't have the resources and financial/political stroke to overcome Citizen's United - not when the other side is funded by the financial kingpins of our society.  

But in the case of overcoming the VRA vivisection, perhaps we can circumvent their intentions by a) making it easier to get those undocumented voters the papers they need, and b) helping get them to the polls.   It seems that in the past there was always some last minute effort by the Repubs to require onerous registration/proof of identity, and we simply never had time to mount an effective rebuttal.  Why this always took our side by surprise is one of life's natural mysteries, but there you have it.

However, NOW we have a reasonable amount of warming, and no reasonable excuses.  In states like mine (Texas), voters are simply going to have to show up with a valid ID if you want to vote.   I'm actually ambivalent about this, as long as we make it easy for everyone to get the paperwork, but that is a story for another diary.

Let's focus on the challenge at hand - helping voters get that documentation ahead of time.  We  have advanced warning of what Repubs have planned for future efforts to deny minority/liberal votes, and we have time to circumvent this odious ruling.  How?  By raising funds.  By organizing and coordinating efforts to a) get these voters the proper paperwork and b) helping them get to the polls.  By reminding everyone how absolutely awful and anti-democratic these efforts are.

Our efforts can be as simple as providing undocumented citizens with  a ride to the governmental office that will issue them the appropriate form of ID.  But much more often, this will require that we fund and facilitate efforts to provide the background documentation/affidavits that these folks need to prove that they are in fact eligible to vote.  For example, many elderly citizens simply don't have state issued birth certificates since they were born at home.  They've voted in Texas for decades, but that won't buy them a cup of warm spit in this state.

So who leads that charge?  Is it OFA?  Is it organized by state liberal activists?  Speaking as a liberal in Texas, I'm not sure we have the political infrastructure in place to fund and man such an effort.  But Texas is such a potential political plum that I would imagine that national political orgs should want to step in to help.

The battle lines have now been clearly drawn and we know what needs to be done to win in the long run.  Who amongst us will take the lead???

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  •  Best Way to Spend Some Serious Money (8+ / 0-)

    You are absolutely correct that there needs to be an enormous effort to combat defacto disenfranchisement due to odious voter ID requirements that are being enacted in Republican governed states. Creating and executing an ID assistance program in those states will demand enormous human and financial resources. The boots on the ground issues like transportation, translation services, door to door outreach, ID fee assistance, etc.  require a program of enormous ambition and will most assuredly face heated opposition and security threats.  One of the bright spots is that threats to disenfranchise minority and other marginalized voters in 2012 backfired when it resulted in record turnouts among those demographic groups that the ID laws were targeted at. If a workable plan is executed the voters will be primed to participate. This is likely going to be the primary battlefield of next couple of election cycles and its a winnable battle if some of the progressives deep pocketed powers that be see the light on this one.

  •  Texas DPS issues FREE photo ID for voters (11+ / 0-)

    good for no other ID purpose whatsoever. The Texas Tribune had a story on this today. The form is online, and the Trib story contains links to the required docs.

    Boots on the ground, boys and girls. Don't let's let Wendy Davis down.

    LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

    by BlackSheep1 on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 10:48:28 PM PDT

    •  unfortunately, they are not so "free" to those who (10+ / 0-)

      are not drivers, seniors who no longer drive, seniors who have no birth certificates (some were born at home, some, the records gone - think katrina)

      for those without the funds or the jobs where taking a day or two off from work to go stand in line for hours to GET those documents, they aren't "free".

      this smells.

      seniors and the less financially able are traditionally democratic voters - that is why these draconian laws are in place.

      we need to mobilize - to get centers that will do notarized id's and help folks gather what they need to make sure they are registered.

      also, there needs to be an active campaign to have EVERY person double check their voter registration.  many have been dropped from the roles because someone in another state with a similar or same name died.  more didn't get the mail or respond to a friggin' post card and were dropped, not to find out until they went to vote!

      also, absentee ballots are grand.  pick them up in person at the board of elections and drop them off there when done.

      i don't trust ANY of the suckers any more!

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 12:07:15 AM PDT

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      •  also, women's names change from time to time (7+ / 0-)

        men have the same last name cradle to grave, but women don't. i'm on my third last name. you're right about the documents not being free. ugh.

        you're also so very right about the double checking part. I live in Connecticut, and in june 2008 I moved. I updated my voter reg at the dmv when I did paperwork for my CDL. a few days before election day I called the registrar in my new city- they didn't have me.

        I did what I was supposed to do, but the dmv or registrar didn't do their job. thank god I checked.

        "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

        by thankgodforairamerica on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 05:36:10 AM PDT

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        •  and, if you don't check before the arbitrary (3+ / 0-)
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          thankgodforairamerica, DRo, Onomastic

          deadline that some states have, you could be out of luck for that election!  know when the registration deadline is and go in (preferable to calling) BEFORE the election!

          i've only missed one presidential election in my life - it was when i moved within a month to a new state.  the registrar got it wrong.  i was told i couldn't vote - but i COULD have voted in the presidential election, not just the local ones, i learned AFTER the election!

          we  need to be on the ground helping people ensure their rights are protected BEFORE those cutoff dates!

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 08:15:23 AM PDT

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          •  our registrar didn't want us telling people this: (3+ / 0-)
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            DRo, edrie, Onomastic
            i was told i couldn't vote - but i COULD have voted in the presidential election, not just the local ones, i learned AFTER the election!
            this just happened in 2012-

            she came to one of hqs I volunteer at in late October to talk to us. thank god I wasn't there. i'd probably be in jail right now.

            she told the ones who made it to the meeting to keep it quiet that people could go down to city hall and vote just for the president. too much work for her.

            people focus on laws, polling places, secs of state, but a lot of what goes wrong happens at the registrar and town clerks offices.

            "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

            by thankgodforairamerica on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 09:18:39 AM PDT

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            •  i've never been so angry as when i found out (2+ / 0-)
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              thankgodforairamerica, Onomastic

              that i COULD have voted AFTER the election was over!

              we need to make the public aware and we need to start now!

              if states block us from doing organized registration, then we can do organized education!  and drive folks to the election board and make sure they are registered!

              perhaps there is a way to push for the boards of elections send reps to nursing homes and senior centers to do registrations at least once prior to an election!

              there has to be a way - the "senior/non-driver" shuttle to the board of elections once a month?

              we need workable ideas how to get people registered and to the polls or ensure they get their absentee ballots.

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 11:54:56 AM PDT

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              •  mailing absentee ballots/applications for ABs... (2+ / 0-)
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                edrie, Onomastic

                costs money. and you really only want to make sure you're mailing them to your voters, not your opponent's.

                lots of time, lots of work. we are careful who we mail our stuff to- we've already identified "our" voters before we mail anything out.

                also, lots can be challenged- an honest, but over eager volunteer can contaminate the process and invalidate an AB.

                I just looked for and couldn't find a story about a whole bunch of nursing home ABs which were thrown out- they were turned in by someone unapproved by the registrar. they were "our" votes. it was an innocent mistake made by someone w/ the best of intentions.

                I volunteer starting months and months before election day- there's a lot of work that goes into having things go ok.

                I think the best way to help is in a state rep or senator's office. you're still helping the rest of the ticket. at the lower level, your volunteer hours go much farther, when it comes to letting your candidate know what your issues are.

                my issue is voting rights. my guy knows I love him, but he will be dead to me if he helps republicans w/ their foolishness wrt voting obstacles. my us congresswoman and us senator might not be able to pick me out of a line up, but my state guy? he knows i'm the hardest worker he's got. he'd hate to see me work this hard for someone in a primary against him.

                also, towards election day, the us and state campaigns coordinate. the local volunteers are worth their weight in gold to the us candidates' field organizers.

                "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

                by thankgodforairamerica on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 12:11:56 PM PDT

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              •  forgot to say i'm so sorry!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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                edrie, Onomastic

                I think I know how you felt- I was sick when I thought about how close I had come to not being able to vote for Obama.

                and I know how mad I am that people don't tell voters they can vote in the presidential just because they don't want to do a little extra work.

                I feel you- I really do.

                i'm glad it happened to me though- some people dismiss it when it happens to other people. they're too quick to assume the voter is flaky or lying. I can more effectively stand up for people when I can say it happened to me, too.

                you and I both know we did what we were supposed to do.


                "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

                by thankgodforairamerica on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 12:18:35 PM PDT

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                •  i'm still angry - that was the second clinton term (1+ / 0-)
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                  i'm glad he won - but if he hadn't, i'd be out in front of that office with a friggin' pitchfork!

                  now, i take NO chances - i vote early in the board of elections office and put my ballot in the box while there.

                  i want a paper record of my vote. period.

                  and, a side note as i'm about to sign off for most of the day.  i've been arguing with several people about the "ease" of getting a photo id and how it is "free" - i am totally gobsmacked by how unknowledgeable they are about the costs in time and money and difficulty in securing id.

                  folks assume others just "have" all the documentation they need and they don't remember katrina or the victims of tornados, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes and fires where ALL paperwork is lost.

                  think identity theft - and how difficult it is to replicate a lifetime of records to prove who you are - and the expense and time.

                  sure, it is easy for those of us who are computer savvy - but that 94 year old woman whose driver's license has expired (like my mom prior to her death) would be SOL when it comes to getting the paperwork needed for a voter id.

                  i'm with you on holding our elected officials accountable if they allow these draconian laws shaped to suppress the vote go forward!  and we need to hold accountable those who post or comment until they are aware of how this entire process is designed to keep people from voting!  we can NOT simply accept the seductive "but it's EASY" line when it comes to voter id.

                  the only fraud found has been against the american voter by those who wish to cheat to win elections!  (and by that, i mean the republicans!)

                  EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                  by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 12:39:43 PM PDT

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      •  You can say "this smells" all you want, edrie (0+ / 0-)

        but what I said was the DPS is offering these documents at no cost.
        What I said was the DPS is furnishing a list, online, of the required proofs.
        What I said was the DPS is doing this in Texas.

        What the Texas Tribune says are the objectionable features are below:

        The free IDs were in response to opponents of voter ID who said thousands of voters would not have access to — or money for — valid IDs. Though they are available for no charge, opponents say obtaining the free IDs will still be difficult for potential voters who live far from DPS offices, or who don’t have money to purchase copies of their birth certificates if they don’t already have the document.
        What the DPS requires in citizenship verification:
        Apply for an Identification (ID) Card

        To apply for your first Texas ID card, you must do the following:

            Gather documents that verify your identity, U.S. citizenship or lawful presence status, and Texas residency.
            Complete the application. (This form is also available at all driver license offices.)
            Apply in person at any driver license office and bring the required documents and fees.

        New Texas Residents

        Individuals who hold a valid, unexpired ID card from another U.S. state, U.S. territory or foreign country, do not need to replace it with a Texas ID card until it expires. To apply for a Texas ID card, an individual must meet all of the above requirements.
        U.S. Military Veterans

        Some disabled veterans may qualify for a fee exemption on their driver license or ID card. More information about this service, including qualification requirements, is available on the Veteran Services page.

        Here are the identity-proofs:

        An individual can present one primary document. No other documents are required to verify identity if one primary document is provided.

        Primary identity documents include:

            Texas driver license or Texas Identification card
            Unexpired U.S. passport book or card
            U.S. Certificate of Citizenship or Certificate of Naturalization (N-560, N-561, N-645, N-550, N-55G, N-570 or N-578)
            Unexpired Department of Homeland Security or U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services document with verifiable data and identifiable photo, such as one of the following:
                U.S. Citizen Identification Card (I-179 or I-197)
                Permanent Resident Card (I-551)
                Foreign passport with attached temporary I-551 (immigrant visa endorsed with ADIT stamp)
                Temporary Resident Identification Card (I-688)
                Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
                U.S. Travel Document (I-327 or I-571)
                Advance Parole Document (I-512 or I-512L)
                I-94 stamped Sec. 208 Asylee with photo
                I-94 stamped Sec. 207 Refugee with photo
                Refugee Travel Letter with photo, stamped by Customs and Border Protection
                American Indian Card (I-872)
                Northern Mariana card (I-873)
            Unexpired U.S. military ID card for active duty, reserve or retired personnel with identifiable photo
            Foreign passport with attached visa and Form I-94

        Individuals who do not have a primary document can present two secondary documents. No other documents are required to verify identity if two secondary documents are provided.

        Secondary identity documents include:

            Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a State Bureau of Vital Statistics or equivalent agency from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia or a Canadian province
            For U.S. citizens born abroad—Certificate of Report of Birth (DS-1350 or FS-545) or Consular Report of Birth (FS-240) issued by the U.S. Department of State
            Original or certified copy of a court order with name and date of birth indicating a name and/or gender change from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia or a Canadian province

        Individuals who do not have a primary document or two secondary documents can provide one secondary document (from the list above) and two supporting documents.

        Supporting identity documents include:

            Social security card
            Form W-2 or 1099
            Driver license or ID card issued by another U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia or Canadian province (unexpired or expired less than two years)
            Texas driver license or ID card that has been expired more than two years
            Temporary receipt for a Texas driver license or ID card
            School records
        (e.g., report cards, photo ID cards)
            Military records (e.g., Form DD-214)
            Unexpired U.S. military dependent identification card
            Original or certified copy of marriage license or divorce decree (if the document is not in English, a certified translation must accompany it)
            Voter registration card*
            Pilot license*
            Concealed handgun license*
            Professional license issued by a Texas state agency
            ID card issued by a government agency*
            Consular document issued by a state or national government
            Texas Inmate ID card or similar form of ID issued by Texas Department of Criminal Justice
            Texas Department of Criminal Justice parole or mandatory release certificate
            Federal inmate identification card
            Federal parole or release certificate
            Medicare or Medicaid card
            Selective Service card
            Immunization records*
            Tribal membership card from federally-recognized tribe
            Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood
            Unexpired foreign passport
            Unexpired insurance policy valid for the past two years (e.g., auto, home or life insurance)
            Current Texas vehicle registration or title
            Current Texas boat registration or title
            Veteran’s Identification Card from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
            Hospital-issued birth record*
            NUMIDENT record from the Social Security Administration
            “NUMI-lite” letter from the Social Security Administration

        *The document must be issued by an institution, entity or government from a U.S. state, a U.S. territory, the District of Columbia or a Canadian province.

        You will note that a birth certificate is not a primary document. A paid-for copy of a birth certificate is not necessary.

        You will also note that a social security card and a DD-214 are considered supporting, not probative, documents.  See also the provision for a hospital-issued birth record, so long as it is from a qualifying hospital.

        The DPS appears to me to be working hard to make it possible to get the documentation required without placing an undue burden on the citizen. I believe all the primary documents except a passport are obtainable without additional fees.

        I do understand that in Texas it can be a day's drive to the nearest DPS office, since I live here, and that even in some rural areas you can have a long wait -- if you go on the first of the month or the last of the month especially, or during the week when Driver's Ed classes from the local high school are starting.

        I refuse to take responsibility for any other state's hoops-to-jump-through to vote, as the ones in Texas are sufficiently annoying.

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 11:00:02 AM PDT

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        •  in california, to GET a driver's license, you MUST (0+ / 0-)

          have a certified (not a copy) of your birth certificate.

          getting the documentation behind the documentation is what is costly.

          north carolina, the state of my birth, demands id to even GIVE you a birth certificate, which is ironic since you can't get legal id WITHOUT a friggin' birth certificate!

          Order a Certificate
          Current Processing Times for Vital Records Certificates

          Due to request volume, processing time for standard orders for birth certificates from 1971 to present may take up to three weeks. Standard orders for other types of certificates may take up to five weeks. Requests that are accompanied by an expedite fee are usually processed within three business days from the time N.C. Vital Records receives the request.

          Requests to change a record, such as adoptions, amendments, legitimations and name changes, may take up to six weeks after the processing fee is received. There is no fee to process paternities and the response time may take longer depending upon the volume of requests received. Requests to change a record that are accompanied by an expedite fee will be processed as quickly as possible, but may take up to two weeks.

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          We offer same-day expedited service at our walk-in window at our Raleigh location.

          Office Hours for Walk-In Service are Monday through Friday, 8:00 AM-3:00 PM.

          Main Switchboard Hours: Monday through Friday, 8:00 AM-5:00 PM. (see Contact Us).


          For a list of acceptable IDs see What forms of ID may I use to obtain a certificate? on our FAQs page. Requests that do not include proper identification will be returned.

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          Birth, death and marriage certificates also may be obtained at the Register of Deeds  (ROD) office in the county where the event took place. In Mecklenburg County, birth and death certificates may be obtained at the local health department  . (Please be aware that N.C. Vital Records is the only place to get a birth certificate for an adopted child.) Divorce certificates may be obtained from the clerk of court  in the county where the divorce is filed.

          1. Complete the form
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          2.a Choose Standard Service: Mail or Drop Off Form
          Send the completed form with $24 money order, certified check, or business check (not a personal check) for the first copy of the certificate and $15 for each additional to:

          North Carolina Vital Records
          1903 Mail Service Center
          Raleigh, NC 27699-1903

          You can also drop off the form at the Vital Records Office in Raleigh between 8:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m., Monday–Friday, except on state government holidays . Payments accepted in person include money order, certified check, business check, or cash. No personal checks please. Directions to our office.
          If no record is found, you will be sent a letter. The search fee is nonrefundable even if a record is not located.

          2.b Choose Faster Service

          There are three ways to get faster service.

          Faster Processing and/or Delivery through the Mail: You can go through the steps for mail-in service but choose to pay more for faster processing and/or faster delivery.

          In-Person: You can go through the steps for drop-off service but choose to pay more for same-day, walk-in service.

          Online or phone:  You can order the certificate with your credit or debit card through VitalChek . This is the only way to get service online or by phone.

          Faster Service through the Mail

          Fill in the form as in step one. Write "Expedite" on the outside front of the envelope.

          Send via U.S. mail to:
          North Carolina Vital Records
          1903 Mail Service Center
          Raleigh, NC 27699-1903
          Write "Expedite" on the outside front of envelope.
          Send via UPS or FedEx to:
          N.C. Vital Records
          225 North McDowell Street
          Raleigh, N.C. 27603-1382
          Write "Expedite" on the outside front of envelope.

          here's where copying gets really difficult to read, so i've just bolded the money parts for you...
          Typical Fee Breakdowns for Faster Service by Mail
                                                                                          Option 1    Option 2
          Certificate Search Fee1 (Includes one copy)              $24    $24
          Expedited Processing Fee
                (Shipped by regular mail)                                       $15     
          Expedited Processing and Expedited Shipping
                (Within Continental U.S.2)                                             $35
                                                                      TOTAL                  $39    $59
          For  additional copy of the same certificate, add           $15    $15

          1Includes one copy if record is located. Search fees and expedite fees are non-refundable even if a record is not located.

          2For expedited shipping outside the continental United States, call for rates or include a prepaid express shipping envelope.

          Faster Service In Person: Same-Day, Walk-In Service

          You can request same-day, walk-in service in the Vital Records Office in Raleigh. Walk-in service is available between 8:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m., Monday–Friday, except on state government holidays . Payments accepted include money order, certified check, business check, cash or credit/debit card. No personal checks please. Directions to our office.
          All walk-in requests for same day service are subject to an additional $15 expedited services fee.
          A Typical Fee Breakdown for Same-Day, Walk-In Service *
          Search Fee (includes one copy)         $24
          Expedite fee (same-day service)      $15
                                                         TOTAL    $39

          The search fee and the expedite fee are non-refundable even if a record is not located. * If using a credit/debit card as your payment method, an additional $2.50 processing fee will be charged by VitalChek (independent third-party processor – not affiliated with the State of North Carolina).
          MasterCard, American Express and Discover credit cards will be accepted – VISA is not accepted.

          Faster Service Online or by Phone: VitalChek

          Online service is available at  or you may call toll-free 1-800-669-8310. (Outside the U.S., call 1-615-372-6800.) VitalChek is an independent third-party service and is not affiliated with the State of North Carolina. An additional fee is charged by VitalChek for this service, and all major credit cards are accepted, including American Express, Discover, MasterCard or VISA.

          You will be asked to provide your credit card number and its expiration date.

          Provide all the necessary certificate information along with a street address (no APO, FPO, or PO Boxes) where the certificate can be delivered. Someone must be available at the address provided to sign for receipt of the documents that will be express mailed to the requesting party.
          Typical Fees for Expedited Credit Card Service (shipping fees may vary)
          Search Fee (includes one copy)*                               $24
          Expedite Fee                                                                  $15
          VitalChek Processing Fee                                            $12.70
          Expedited Shipping within continental U.S. (UPS)    $20
                                                                                   TOTAL    $71.70

          *Includes one copy if record is located. Search fees and expedite fees are non-refundable even if a record is not located.

          how many hoops can YOU count in this?

          why do i know? because i needed a copy of my birth certificate a few years ago and i couldn't wait 3-6 weeks.  it cost me a bloody fortune!


          everyone is so sure that this is so simple.

          it is not. (just as trying to friggin' format that so it can be read was "simple")

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 12:28:52 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Did you read what I said? (0+ / 0-)

            I am talking about the State of Texas.
            That's all I'm talking about.
            Not that I don't care about the rest of the country, except that the rest of the country couldn't care less about Texas. They love to point and laugh and pile on the "constructive criticism," but when we need $$$ to send good candidates into elective office or boots on the ground here, what do we get?
            A drain on our resources to other states, or a slap in the face because "oh, it's Texas. Never mind, it's red there."

            LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

            by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 12:40:14 PM PDT

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            •  my point is that is isn't JUST texas - it is every (0+ / 0-)

              single state that has been gerrymandered by the republicans.

              we can't let ANY state block voting - for if one succeeds, then others will follow.

              i care about texas.  i care about north carolina.  i care about kansas.  i care about oklahoma.  i care about california.

              i care about all 50 states and the outlying territories - they ALL matter!

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 06:23:39 PM PDT

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  •  Here's how to do it. (7+ / 0-)

    We need to crack down on entitlement fraud.

    What? You've never heard of the huge entitlement fraud problem? Let me explain.

    To safeguard taxpayer money we need to make sure that people getting Government Benefits of any sort are who they say they are. In particular we need to focus on people getting:

      - SNAP (food stamps)
      - Student loans
      - Social Security
      - Section 8
      - Unemployment Insurance
      - Medicaid
      - Medicare
      - Earned Income Tax Credits

    By Executive Order, the President should mandate that you can't get these benefits without a valid photo ID. "Valid" will be defined as, "whatever onerous requirement Republicans set as the standard for voting".

    This plan has a harsh side. It will cause hardship for some people who can't get an ID. There needs to be an appeal process where the Executive Branch can over-ride the requirement. But the goal is to force millions of non-voters into at lease getting IDs.

    Those who complain should be reminded that if the Republicans continue to gerrymander and restrict voting these benefits will be cut anyway.

    Lastly, as an Educated East Coast Liberal™, I'm getting tired of losing elections because the people we are trying to help don't vote. Yeah, I know poverty sucks, but America needs you to get off the couch once every other year to vote. Please. Or lose your benefits.

    •  Sounds like a plan. (3+ / 0-)
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      Surely we could get Republican help combatting entitlement fraud.  How quickly could we get these requirements into law?

      Texas ledge happens what? every two years?

      Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

      by DRo on Wed Jun 26, 2013 at 11:09:00 PM PDT

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    •  um. no. (2+ / 0-)
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      not everyone lives in manhattan where transportation is easy.

      for seniors, those with disabilities, those who cannot drive - you expect them to jump through hoops to get an id?  

      not a good plan.


      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 12:08:49 AM PDT

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      •  They only need to do it... (1+ / 0-)
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        Also this forces the whole layer of bureaucracy and not-for-profits who help these people into helping them get ID.

        The same caseworkers, counselors, and social workers who help them fill out forms for benefits can also help with getting IDs. I know it is more work for these guys, but they should realize that they are on the chopping block, too.

        •  it is so obvious that you are "young"... (0+ / 0-)

          "they" only need to do "it" once?  for some, that "once" is cost prohibitive or travel restrictive.

          and, the "literacy tests" were only supposed to be done "once".

          ANY barrier to voiing is not acceptable.  NO american should have to "pay" to vote.  ever.

          as for those "layers of bureaucracy"?  already the workers there are stressed with too many caseloads and cutbacks in hours, locations, employees - and you expect them to do more?

          if i sound harsh it is because your post so clearly shows that you have never been ground through the system.

          do you have ANY idea of the hoops people go through JUST to get foodstamps?  the hours and hours of sitting and waiting and transportation to the fewer and fewer local offices?

          for general assistance?

          for unemployment?  in california, there are no longer any physical offices you can go to - it has to be done online. period.

          how many 89 yr olds or 95 year olds do you know who are computer savvy enough to find the private contractor that now furnishes your birth certificate - for a fee?

          you have totally missed the mark with this idea.  it is time to back slowly away from making such "suggestions" - why? because it justifies these horrific blocks to voting for those who traditionally vote dem - which is why the rethugs are enacting such laws.

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 08:23:37 AM PDT

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          •  We need to be practical. (0+ / 0-)

            Voter ID laws are not going away.

              - A majority of people support them.
              - The SCOUTS just upheld them.

            Now we can complain about how unfair they are -- and lose elections -- or we can do what it takes to win despite them.


            •  and requiring an even more burdensome layer (0+ / 0-)

              of bureaucracy is your answer?

              i think you are on the wrong track here.  you are coming from an urban view - not the reality of the rural america where many affected actually live.

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 11:51:36 AM PDT

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    •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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      Beating back the republican poll tax plans should be priority 1, but I like where you're coming from here.  

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 04:01:08 AM PDT

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    •  No offense, ManhattanMan, but have you personally (2+ / 0-)
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      applied for/to any of these entitlement programs that you are wanting targeted for "entitlement fraud" ?

      - SNAP (food stamps)
        - Student loans
        - Social Security
        - Section 8
        - Unemployment Insurance
        - Medicaid
        - Medicare
        - Earned Income Tax Credits

      I do not know about Section 8 or EITC, but all of the others require a social security number at minimum along with various other "proof of identity".

      One of my children happens to have been born with a life long disability, which along with myriad medical issues, will preclude this child from ever being self supporting.  

      This child currently has monthly prescription drugs near the $700 mark-medications that must be taken for life.  Medical specialists out the gazoo, labs, MRIs, hospitalizations, etc.

      No life or health insurance company would insure this child.  Fortunately, a federally mandated waiver program was available in our state for those whose income exceeded the medicaid income criteria-as long as ALL the medical requirements were determined to be met by the waiver's governing body.

      The requirements range from a total monthly breakdown of all medical costs in order to show that it would be more cost effective to the state to serve the individual  in home rather than in an institution or nursing home or hospital


      Certified letters of medical need from physicians, parent/guardian income, birth certificate, social security number, medical records, school records etal have to be submitted at time of application and at each annual re-determination

      Zero defect harsh or you are denied or coverage is not continued.  This waiver is for medicaid

      This child has had this medical coverage for 16 years.  The waiver ends at age 18 & this child became "eligible" to apply for SSI & medicaid as an "adult".  Same zero defect rules & regulations with even more "proofs" required. With the caveat that the SSA legally has 120 days to make a determination.

      At age 18, this child with an IQ that maxes out at 36 months, was required to register with selective service, can register to vote & must sign paperwork.

      For safety & life purposes, we obtained an ID card through the local DMV-where we had to provide proof of residency for ourselves to prove that we were this child's parents.

      Not any wiggle room for fraud in just this example cited.
      Nor when my company downsized & I applied for unemployment 12 years ago & discovered that every job I've ever had (in any last name)was in their computer. (I forgot about a part time therapy gig in the past-they asked why I did not list it...)

      Same regarding student aid for my biological children-who also happened to have small $ academic scholarships-zero defect & massive paperwork involved.

      But hey, my child with the 36 month IQ level just received his super duper official selective service enrollment proof in the mail-courtesy of obtaining the DMV photo ID card.....

      And can vote.


      Food for thought.  Some things are not anything like they may appear.

      And some things put into place may not be what you think they will be.

      PS: We declined having our child register to vote.  Keep in mind that our child's disabilities are patently obvious to anyone & cannot speak, hear or function independent of supports.  And yet seeing this & knowing the reason why he could only print his name, the DMV still provided him the opp to register to vote & registered him with selective service.

  •  My first thought this morning (3+ / 0-)
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    I heard Texas has the lowest turn out of REGISTERED Hispanic voters in the nation, and many, many more eligible to be registered. Put some effort there and it blooms purple to pink!

    I'd like to see a community-wide focus on Texas registration this year (not next summer.) If I can't walk or man booths, I can donate, call and write.

    Sure, other states are worthy of our attention. But Texas is so big and bold that any victory there would scare the Begjeezus out of them, maybe for good.

  •  should be done in every state (3+ / 0-)
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    hlsmlane, worldlotus, Egalitare

    Every single state.

  •  I was sitting on the side (2+ / 0-)
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    worldlotus, UnionMade

    of my bed this morning and tears came to my eyes thinking about those very days The VRA was passed.  I along with so many others, many whom have passed along now, (I was an early teen) that struggled for so long will never forget.  From my lips came the phrase:  "Give me Liberty or Give me Death."

  •  What is the "ID of least resistance"... (0+ / 0-) Texas or each of the other now "unleashed" voter suppression jurisdictions? I recall that certain identifying documents (hunting licenses?) were allowed to be used as ID for voting just to "rub it in our collective bleeding heart faces." If such ID is obtainable with fewer supporting documents and lower cost perhaps we should get all our voters "ready for hunting season."

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Thu Jun 27, 2013 at 08:28:50 AM PDT

  •  What about amendments to state voter ID laws? (1+ / 0-)
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    As these laws are brought forward, could Dems not demand amendments including state funding to provide IDs? Start with an amendment requiring door-to-door ID inquiries, a la the Census. Let the GOP knock that over, and then demand free transport to ID provider locations. Or free ID days in neighborhood  locations like churches (the state providing mobile ID vans, like mobile medical test vans?).

    Plus an amendment requiring the state, rather than the individual, to carry out any document search necessary.

    Get publicity. Make a fuss.

    A voter ID is a Poll Tax!

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