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I may be broadstroking here, but I say what I think.  

All that flag waving and bombs bursting in air showing patriotism for America on the 4th is the biggest bunch of bullshit I know of, now that I am old enough to get it.

How do setting off fireworks and simulation of bombs bursting in air make us more patriotic?   We have backlogs on veterans needing help....We have homeless, hungry americans.  We have never ending war and too many injustices and corruption.

How does the noise help the families or the vets or the pets in celebrating the independence regarding our break away from England?

How does a BBQ fill a belly that goes hungry most other times of the year?

How does fighting for womens rights and equal pay and the war on the middle class
get flung in our faces 364 days of the year but we are to stand, salute flag, sing God Bless America and be a complete hypocritical jerk about our struggles of real freedom?

How is that not hypocritical?

Am I glad to be an American?   I don't know anymore.   I have never left the country but once and that was to Mexico.   I don't believe we are all that great ...I will say that.

I am tired of these so called celebrations of hypocrisy to have a day off ( if lucky enough to have a job) only celebrate because it is the right thing to do, in the upbringing, have a day you can shoot your guns off in the air, make as much noise as you want and make a day to party.   Celebrating your love for freedom doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.   If it did...people would celebrate every day in some meaningful way.

It is just a holiday to party...Nothing to do with patriotism.
It actually is a solemn and sad day for many or most who serve or have served this country.

What a shame.....we really are a bunch of people who feel they have to be patriotic and yet the majority who do go all out never served, obstruct and do not give a damn about America or it's people.

Yeah OK I may be looking at this wrong in many's opinion but I sometimes wish the
British had won, maybe then the natives would not have had to be put on a trail of tears.  

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  •  I don't know , (11+ / 0-)

    spending a lot of money buying fireworks made in China ...
    1000 head injuries , 1400 hand injuries , 900 leg injuries .

    Happy Dependence Day, America! Love, China

    (CNN) – Oh say can you see…the end of American independence?

    This Fourth of July, the United States celebrates its 235th year of freedom from British rule. That’s emancipated us from yeasty marmite, pesky ‘u’s in our ‘neighbors’ and from having to ask God to “save the Queen”.

    Phew. Yes, today we celebrate our independence from Britain.

    But we do that by underlining our growing dependence on another country – China. And with our most patriotic of Americana for the day – fireworks and flags.

    Nearly 97% of U.S. money for firework imports popped up in China last year, according to U.S. trade statistics. The hard numbers: we paid nearly $200 million for all of our skyrockets, Roman candles, sparklers and other pyrotechnics. More than $190 million of that went to the Middle Kingdom.

    The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

    by indycam on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 10:50:51 AM PDT

  •  Thank you.. YOU pretty well made my point. (8+ / 0-)

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 10:54:28 AM PDT

  •  Are the celebrations of the 4th (4+ / 0-)
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    llbear, carver, Joieau, SuWho

    supposed to make us more patriotic, help the families of the vets, or fill a belly that goes hungry most other times of the year?

    "It is just a holiday to party...Nothing to do with patriotism."

    "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

    by GussieFN on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 11:03:29 AM PDT

    •  No... It is supposed to be a patriotic holiday (2+ / 0-)
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      The most patriotic holiday of the year.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 11:55:05 AM PDT

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      •  Supposed to be? (3+ / 0-)
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        Okay, I guess.

        "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

        by GussieFN on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 12:01:56 PM PDT

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      •  Personally, I think the most patriotic (6+ / 0-)

        holiday of the year ought to be Veterans Day and/or Memorial Day. Not Independence Day. Or maybe it ought to be Constitution Day, celebrating the document that is supposed to keep us a free people and has been trod all over by the intelligence industry, the military-industrial-Congressional complex (to give it the name Eisenhower originally intended to use), the militarization of community policing, the Supreme Court, and Congress.

        Constitution Day was my late husband's birthday. He was proud of that.

        My father wrote the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. That Act is in keeping with the intent of the Founders. Certain factions in Congress have been trying to water it down since.

        I am not proud of many things my country has done. I have never agreed with the philosophy of American Exceptionalism. We are just another country, better than some, worse than some.

        And I don't think Independence Day ought to be considered the most patriotic holiday of the year for many reasons. One of those is the doctrine of Manifest Destiny, still in place in many situations. One is that our country started with an agreement that some people were less than others. One is that Independence Day celebrates the day we mouthed off to the British and not the work it took to create a country, not the sacrifice so many made to ensure that this country could be created at all.

        As far as the "love it or leave it" that a commenter threw at you, you of all people, Sis, have earned the right to speak by dint of the care you take of your 100% disabled Native American Vietnam Veteran husband. You walk the walk, not just talk the talk. If everyone did, there wouldn't be a single homeless veteran in this country. Every veteran would have three squares a day plus snacks. Every veteran would have the health care, physical and mental, that he or she needs. Every veteran would have the prostheses that he or she needs, no charge. Every veteran who can work would have a job that brings him or her respect, and every veteran would be respected in every way by the nation he or she served. Every serviceperson would be given priority in things like lines. And I don't see that occurring any time soon, just as I know you don't.

        An organ donor saved my life! Is this bragging?

        Working since the age of 8 to defeat the GOP!

        by Kitsap River on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 06:01:13 PM PDT

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    •  In my book it should be (4+ / 0-)
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      a time to relfect on freedoms and celebrate the birthday and yes proud to help and stand for liberty and justice for all.  Not just some.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 11:59:35 AM PDT

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      •  i read your diary and have to confess, for the (2+ / 0-)
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        first fourth in decades - i slept through it - didn't go to the barn (to make sure ponies were okay with noise) - i went to bed.  

        it is hard to "celebrate" when so much is going wrong in america today.  it is hard to celebrate when texas, michigan, wisconsin, north carolina and other states want to destroy the very freedom of women to choose their own destinies.  it is hard to celebrate when so many are hungry.

        it is hard to celebrate when so many are sick and cannot get help.

        it is hard to celebrate when our veterans are STILL left hurting after all these many wars.

        it is hard to celebrate when the heart of our very government is broken... when half our elected government is intent on inflicting as much harm as they can in the name of ideology.

        i WANT to celebrate MY country - not the country that denigrates immigrants, denies native americans what was promised to them over a century ago, belittles those who just want to love and be loved, treats so many as "inferior".

        i want MY america back - the america of hope, love, joy, dreams... not this america filled with nightmares that won't end.

        i did not celebrate.  i went to sleep - and perhaps when i wake up again, i'll have the strength to take up the good fight yet again.

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 11:08:03 PM PDT

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  •  I share much of your outrage, Vetwife (6+ / 0-)

    I spent the 4th watching the History series call "The Revolution."

    The stuff the colonists had to endure, to start this Nation, was simply phenomenal.

    If we had to do the same sort of thing today, with today's giddy and glib mindsets,

    -- well, we'd end up with the ill-functioning country, that we now got.

    BTW, I would have rec'd your post,
    except I'm still glad that the colonists won our Independence,
    from unseen, intrusive, foreign powers of the day.

    Long as we still have their Constitution,
    we still have a change of returning to its functional principles, someday.

    Here's to hoping that day, is sooner rather than later.

  •  I have always found it more than a little ironic.. (8+ / 0-)

    that many of the drunken louts swaggering to celebrate the 4th and the greatest nation evah are first in line to howl about 'teh gays' and 'teh wetbacks' and 'those wusses the French'....

    profound in their ignorance of the blood shed by French sailors led by the Comte de Grasse to defeat a British fleet off the coast of Virginia, permitting George Washington to triumph at Yorktown.

  •  I don't understand the outrage. (12+ / 0-)

    Around the time, very close to and on the 4th of July, I hope parents and teachers are explaining to their children about why we still celebrate Independence Day.  I hope they flesh out what independence means, not just historically, but in the present time.  I hope children (and adults) all over this country understand the significance of this holiday and want to continue celebrating.

    I'm not sure that parades, barbecues or parties or fireworks take away the significance of this particular holiday, and knowing past and present Vets in my family, I am keenly aware that they celebrate by partaking in all of these events.

    Further, I'm very glad our colonists fought for our Independence, and we had the brilliance and forethought of our Founding Fathers and the General Assembly of Congress who saw the relevance of no longer giving allegiance to the British Crown, and the importance of writing our Declaration of Independence.

    I do hope we can become a stronger, kinder nation as time advances. To me, Independence Day is a reminder that we still have more to do as citizens of this nation and I feel optimistic.  There is a whole lot of good in this country, and we need to remember that and not allow the negatives going on now to let us lose sight of the good and the possible, otherwise we end up in a paralyzing malaise and bad temper.  I confess sometimes I get fed-up as well, but we have to keep moving foward and you can't do that if you are angry all the time.

    Having said all this, I would like to put a firecracker up the butts of all Republicans to wake them up to reality.  I had a family member, a Republican now calling himself a Libertarian, tell me that Progressives do not celebrate the Fourth of July. Then he went off on why Progressives no longer believe in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, "as they are written in original intent."  I won't go into the conversation that ensued thereafter.  It was like listening to someone who is one beer short of a six-pack, ... since 2000.  I can't do the family gatherings anymore.  Especially not after yesterday's conversation with this idiot.

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 12:06:59 PM PDT

  •  I never said I hated it but I did (8+ / 0-)

    say America  was hypocritical.  You are actually telling me to love it or leave it?   I claim that all of these celebrations are bs.   Not any different from many of  the religious holidays.   They say one thing and some of these same people are for taking away freedoms.   Now you can call it a BS diary but you cannot say that I don't involve myself in what I call true patriotism of helping everyday.  I DO teach my children about the founding fathers but I tell them the truth.. The other truth.. The truth about how the Native Americans had their land stolen.   I tell them that minoroties were slaves and women were 2nd class citizens.
    If you don't believe that then you are in Oz.  

    You nor I nor anyone else can change anything if we don't see a problem.  

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 12:55:05 PM PDT

  •  Didn't care for the fourth much... (12+ / 0-)

    Since Fireworks are Illegal around here, there are no fireworks displays.

    As a result instead of an hour or two, the explosions went on all night.

    Whole town smelled of gunpowder.

    Honestly, I felt like I was back in Iraq last night.  Not a good feeling.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 12:56:12 PM PDT

  •  fireworks.. (6+ / 0-)

    aren't specifically about "bombs bursting in air". The Chinese had fireworks many centuries before the Americas were discovered. Where I live, people shoot off fireworks at Christmas and New Years and not at any of their various patriotic holidays. It's just a celebratory thing.

    That little digression aside, I whole-heartedly agree that it's hard to work up patriotic ferver when you feel let down by your country. I also don't get the love it or leave it sentiment. Any American has the right to hate anything about America. It would behoove them to try to change it for the better, but still. Nobody should have to STFU.

    For the record, I have left the USA, probably forever, and I both love her and hate some things about the way she acts. But I will always be an American, and will never shut-up.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 01:12:08 PM PDT

    •  Thank you Karl... I like this (6+ / 0-)

      comment very much.   I am disappointed in how I see
      fewer and fewer have a say.   The republicans lost and yet they continue to obstruct.   That love it or leave it comment was a way of saying..fall in line.   I don't fall in line.  I stand behind the people..We the People..all people not just the 1 percent, or rightwingers or the MIC who do not have a clue about the general welfare part of the constitution.

      Thank you again.
      I have the opinion that I can't teach my child one thing and then stand by and watch laws passed and actions taken that is in direct contrast to what I was taught to believe.    I type this as I am watching the Travon Martin case which I fear Zimmerman will get off.  It won't be about justice..

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 01:20:35 PM PDT

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  •  I'm tipping and rec'ing to counter (8+ / 0-)

    the ridiculous HR in the tip jar.

    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

    by coquiero on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 01:17:59 PM PDT

    •  Thank you coquiero (3+ / 0-)

      I just said the celebrations was hypocritical......
      As a family of Native American and combat vets and advocacy and beat up vets this morning from yesterday, I am a little overwhelmed at that comment but not surprised.   I used to watch Yankee Doodle Dandy every 4th.  Just last year I went to the Hall of Presidents.. I just no longer feel that special chill I used to.  Maybe GWB took that away from me...Maybe Reagan did...Maybe a lot of people I have learned about has...but I find myself more and more finding more heartache in these holidays.  

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 01:27:09 PM PDT

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  •  Well, Christmas is overly-commercialized, but (2+ / 0-)
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    many people still observe it in its true meaning.  Many people like it for the gifts only (I did as a kid), but the joy of giving gifts may eventually give way to the joy of the incarnation.

    Most kids like the 4th for the fireworks, but many grow to love the holiday for the right reasons.  

    The 4th is the anniversary of the birth of modern democracy, so yah, I think its a bfd.  ;-)

  •  Some appropriate quotes. (7+ / 0-)

    Thank you Mark Twain.

    Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.
    Man is the only Patriot. He sets himself apart in his own country, under his own flag, and sneers at the other nations, and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people's countries, and keep them from grabbing slices of his. And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood of his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man"- with his mouth.
    We have a bastard Patriotism, a sarcasm, a burlesque; but we have no such thing as a public conscience. Politically we are just a joke.
  •  Personally, i like the 4th of July holiday. I (8+ / 0-)

    understand your irritation with those that seem to think "patriotic" means getting drunk and see who bought the biggest fireworks on the block, but it's still nice.  We went to a township parade that lined the streets.  Many former and current military personnel marched and were cheered enthusiastically.  Again, I understand that people should do more than clap once a year, but those marching seemed proud to be there and were enjoying the support.  The kids seem to be learning some things about respect for their country as well.  We spent time at my parents, and again the kids learned more about the 4th, while enjoying a family day.  Finally, we went to a city concert in Warren Ohio where the local orchestra played many patriotic songs for a packed park.  They honored each branch of our military by having those serving or having served stand for recognition.  None of those men or women seemed upset.  It ended with a nice fireworks show.  Beautiful day, surrounded by friends and family, and honored our past and present as a country.  All in all, there are worse ways to spend a holiday.

  •  And now there's a counter-diary by our friend. (3+ / 0-)
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    Complete with a poll.

    There are no second class citizens in America, and there are no second class marriages in America. - Eleanor Holmes Norton

    by Captain Sham on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 02:19:00 PM PDT

  •  We celebrate the 3rd of July with lots of... (4+ / 0-)

    ...fireworks, since it is our Anniversary. (16th this year)

    Any fireworks on the 4th are kind of an afterglow.

    Stop the NRA and the NSA
    Repeal the Patriot Act and the 2nd Amendment

    by dream weaver on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 02:19:22 PM PDT

  •  I celebrate the country for her (3+ / 0-)
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    promice. I think the founding ideals of this country were awesome and that we have grown alot as a country.

    There is still a huge amount of work to be done and right now our government is extremely fucked up but eventually the people who are doing the most damage will be gone and the country can get to working for everyone.

    I am proud when I think about the fact that we transfer power peacefully. I'm proud of the fact that if a leader is assasinated we don't slip into chaos but instead again transfer power peacefully.

    There is a lot to love and a lot to hate about this country. But overall I can't think of any country that I would rather be a citizen of. There are a lot of countries that I would like to live in but I would retain my citizenship here.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 02:22:06 PM PDT

  •  I might have let this go by without comment, but (11+ / 0-)

    sebastianguy99's  HR of the tip jar leads me to rec and tip this diary and the diarist.

    don't always believe what you think

    by claude on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 02:29:12 PM PDT

    •  Thank you Claude (5+ / 0-)

      I Looked at his diary and was a bit confused..  You would have thought I insulted him personally which I did not mean to do to anyone.  Aji knows me very well and spoke up in that diary.  Mnay did.  I won't go there and comment.  He has a right to his opinion, something he obviously thinks I do no.
      I do not do call out diaries nor participate as the linkee to put myself in his space.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 02:42:39 PM PDT

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    •  HR has been removed. Points made remain. (0+ / 0-)

      This horrible diary is an embarrassment to the community and so are those that try to silence others with HR's.

      I removed the HR only because I do not want end my desire to never HR a tip jar.

      I will continue to speak against bullies no matter what they, or their enablers, have to say about it.

      The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

      by sebastianguy99 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 05:20:30 PM PDT

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      •  Gotta love this sebastian99 guy. (4+ / 0-)

        For trying to silence Vetwife by HR'ing the tip jar for disagreement with the premise, and then for trying to shut Vetwife up by telling her to "love it or leave it."

        All because '99 doesn't like "those that try to silence others." Honestly, you can't make this kind of cognitive dissonance up. Just gotta see it in action to appreciate. Wow.

      •  Vetwife is hardly a bully (5+ / 0-)

        There are few faster than she to stand up for the underdog when someone is being truly bullied. I don't feel that you are being bullied here.

        You've used some nasty, some might say bullying language towards her, such as telling her that if she hates the country so much she should leave. That's mightily close to the right-wing "Love it or leave it" meme that was so prevalent during both the Iraq war and the Vietnam war, the one her husband was permanently disabled in.

        You should read some of her other diaries, ones in which she speaks of the difficulties her husband went through and still goes through to this day. The fireworks on the Fourth are almost certainly really triggering for him! Ask her.

        I think you need to look in the mirror a bit when talking about bullies.

        An organ donor saved my life! Is this bragging?

        Working since the age of 8 to defeat the GOP!

        by Kitsap River on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 10:14:46 PM PDT

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  •  Well when I was a little girl (4+ / 0-)

    I never understood why Daddy did not like the 4th but
    Mama carried us to parades and then when the 60's hit and all the turmoil, I was older but still not understand .
    The overturning of the section of the voting rights act was a blow to me.   I live in Florida and as I watched the
    Zimmerman/Martin case became a little more upset as I saw there probably won't be justice.  

    I do feel this way about the holidays we celebrate and should not have broadstroked but do feel so many just don't know they have to fight very hard to hold on to the Bill of Rights and those of us who deal with the holidays get a wake up call every time one of those explosions go off and yes they do at New Years but not as big as the 4th.

    If one had to watch a loved one dive under a table, or have a flashback and family and friends walk on egg shells for several days before and after......maybe those booming lights in the sky would not be so much fun but I am glad many do not have to deal with this.  There are far too many of us who do and more coming back that will.   There is also too many minorities dissed in the land of the free.  That was all that I was trying to say in this diary.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 03:44:01 PM PDT

  •  I think the fireworks are a fun way (4+ / 0-)
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    to cap off a day spent with friends and family celebrating the country's birth, hopefully in a park or beach or backyard with good food and games and all that stuff. Nothing too serious. But, obviously, it doesn't really mean that much, and has nothing to do with patriotism in its deeper sense, which is about serving this country and the people in it and doing honor to our past in one form or another, that doesn't involve eating a hot dog, waving a flag or watching simulated cannon explosions. That could mean serving in uniform, visiting a veteran's cemetery, working to make the country a better place, or letting people know about what's wrong with the country that need fixing.

    Don't knock the 4th and fireworks and picnics and all that. But let's remember that it's about good clean fun, not patriotism.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 04:57:36 PM PDT

  •  I'm glad to be an American (5+ / 0-)

    I served my country well and am proud of it. I spent a year in combat, I don't have to apologize for liking my home.
    I travel the world and see a lot of other places but this is my home, I own a chunk of it and I LIKE IT!
    There's lots of things that are wrong with America but there's a lot of things that are right about it too.
    here's a lot of people who worked hard to get into America, to become Americans Think about them on the 4th, what they wwent through to get here.
    that's the kind of people I want to spend the 4th with, not the type who constantly complain because theyre not getting what they want

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 05:05:13 PM PDT

  •  For all who may be wondering (5+ / 0-)

    My tip of a tip jar and rec of a diary does not necessarily mean I agree with it. It means I think it needs to be seen. In this case, I agree with much of but not all of what Vetwife has said here, and I strongly support her right to speak out as she sees fit. It's a powerful diary that raises important questions, and I think it needs to be seen.

    An organ donor saved my life! Is this bragging?

    Working since the age of 8 to defeat the GOP!

    by Kitsap River on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 06:04:25 PM PDT

  •  Vetwife, you are a wonderful person, (2+ / 0-)
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    and one of the most patriotic I have ever encountered. I am so very sorry that the Fourth is difficult for you and the vets. For me, I find great comfort in the fact that once a year, we can put aside our debates and anger and just appreciate the ideals and history upon which this country is built. I think it gives us strength to continue our struggle to make it better. I wish we could make it better for you right now. I hope that someday you will be able to enjoy the Fourth again. Until then, thank you to you, and all our veterans, for all you have done.

    "The Democrats are the lesser evil and that has to count for something. Good and evil aren't binary states. All of us are both good and evil. Being less evil is the trajectory of morality." --SC

    by tb92 on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 06:40:22 PM PDT

    •  The diary should not have been so broadstroked (2+ / 0-)
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      For that I apologize.  There are people who do celebrate with time off and enjoy a good time but then there are so many who make nuisances of themselves and do set off guns and fireworks for 3 days straight and it gives no peace to those who jump when a pan is dropped.   I personally feel fireworks are beautiful but then again I never had to look up at one coming straight at me as in war but the people in California now are hurt from something going wrong.   The people who sit back and talk about patriotism in one breath and then slam the minorities and want the hispanics to leave and bash the gays and anyone different makes me say...How dare you even claim to be a freedom lover.

      People need holidays but more than that, they need to know the meaning.  They need to know what Gettysburg was fought at this time and they need to know that we did not start off with this corporate rule and police were constables but then again it was not right to steal the land...It is frightful to think we did away with that voting rights legislation and I am not jealous of people who do get enjoyment from the fourth...Remember when Watts said the Beachboys couldn't play but Manilow could under Reagan?    That kind of stuff just burned me.   The people who follow the people who infringe on freedoms..not all people but too many and then claim that we are equal.  We are not.

      Thanks...I guess the diary should die but it is not a happy time for all and I am not alone.   Soooo many just want to get it over and yes we wish it was not that way.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 08:28:09 PM PDT

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    Actually, on the 4th, it was 9 AM and it was quiet, too quiet. Nobody was blowing shit up yet! Shocking. By 10, it had begun, though.
    I'm sick of being represented by things that blow up. National songs about blowing shit up and actually blowing shit up.
    I'm sick of the US blowing shit up and selling shit that blows shit up to every comer. Our Family Business is selling shit that blows up and/or blowing shit up. Our Family Excuse is to make up shit that enables us to use all the shit we make to blow shit up. Every state on the union makes shit that blows shit up. We're well vested in the Family Business.
    We need a new business.

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes

    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 04:21:14 AM PDT

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    that blow shit up.  I wrote a poem in 08 about the effect it had on our then 3 year old.   The people in countries with real bombs cannot leave the area of where all that exploding is happening.   It is sad indeed that we just get better and better at blowing things up but not at finding jobs, building on good will and taking better care of our people in a fair way.  That is what we should celebrate.
    The world referred to us as imperalists yesterday.   I find that stunning.  Imperalists?   I think it was Venezuela that referred to us as Imperalist Americas.

    No American especially the native americans should not  have to beg for heat like the Okicap and the food pantries in the winter time.  No persn should have to stand in line for hours to vote to be turned away and no one should be tasered and beat up for protest.   Not in the land of the free.  No gays and lesbeian and transgenders or other minorities should be harrased and fired.   No...Not one.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:05:03 AM PDT

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