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Some are going to see this title and say "that is wild hyperbole".    But, now that we have years of empirical statistical data to review, the point is not too far off.   Over the last seven years, the Infant Mortality Rate has dropped significantly, a true positive for the US.. and something we should all be proud of.

http://www.nytimes.com/...

The states with the steepest declines in infant deaths — Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina and South Carolina — have long been plagued with some of the nation’s highest infant mortality rates, Dr. MacDorman added. In all four states the rate dropped by more than 20 percent from 2005 to 2010, the latest year for which state data are available. The District of Columbia, which has expanded a home-visit program for poor pregnant women and stepped up other efforts to keep mothers and their babies healthy, saw the biggest drop: from 14.05 deaths per 1,000 births in 2005 to 7.86 in 2010.
This, in the end, is a real accomplishment - wanted children who are properly cared for and a decreased infant mortality rate.  A plus for all of us.   But state after state, Republicans are apparently telling us that they would prefer the OLD infant mortality rate, the one that happens with diminished pre-natal care.

http://floridaindependent.com/...

According to the “End of Session” report from the Florida House of Representatives released this week, Florida’s Healthy Start Coalitions lost $5.2 million dollars in state funding this year. Local Healthy Start coalitions provide high-quality prenatal care services for at-risk mothers and health care services for children in their communities.
This kind of pattern thinking gives us these results:  with a lower standard of care, you end up with an increased rate of infant mortality, children who die at birth or in the first twelve months of life.   Those in poverty who proceed with having a child without proper prenatal care have an increased risk of birth defects and illness, which proper prenatal care can help resolve.   Finally, women with low access to prenatal care may feel pushed to have an abortion, because they have neither the money or resources to provide for a proper pregnancy.   So, I ask Republicans:  Why have you decided that having babies (those from birth to 12 months) die at a higher rate is good?  Because good prenatal and post-birth care, which you are cutting does exactly that.   Last I checked, that was called infanticide.   And in the grand scheme of things, it makes me sick.

Sometimes, we overlook the trees and all we see is the forest.   A successful society works to help make sure that the people are well cared for, avoid illness, and have access to good medicine and good advice.   But that's not always the case, at least not to Republicans.

States like Nebraska, Kansas, Indiana have all made moves to cut prenatal care, and at the same time, they move to cut funding to planned parenthood, of course.   In their mind, it means fewer abortions.  In reality, it means far more unwanted pregnancies, and a raise in rates of infant mortality.

http://www.guttmacher.org/...

One in 10 women said that they had switched to a less expensive provider of contraceptive services. This increased demand for lower-cost services was mirrored in the survey responses from family planning providers. Two-thirds of the family planning centers surveyed noted an increase in the number of clients seeking services between the first quarter of 2008 and the first quarter of 2009 (see chart, page 10). Importantly, the vast majority of providers surveyed said they had seen an increase in the number of clients who are poor or low income and, therefore, eligible for free or reduced-fee care from providers receiving any subsidy from the federal Title X program.

More than half the providers reported significant service delivery challenges in meeting clients' needs. Most often, they reported staff layoffs or a hiring freeze during 2009. Many also said that they had been forced to reduce the number of contraceptive methods they are able to offer; more expensive methods such as the IUD, the implant, the patch and some brand-name oral contraceptives were the most likely to be cut. One in four providers said that waiting times had increased, typically doubling from less than a week to about two weeks.

As women have less and less access to effective birthcontrol, the rate of potential unwanted pregnancy goes up.  

The republicans counter this claim with:  "Then don't have sex".  My response:  OK, let us see how long you men who pass these laws can go without sex.  We'll have a Jerry Seinfield like competition and check it out.

The sad fact is, this move to cut access to early care and family planning doesn't cut abortion as much as it increases infant mortality - and which is more negative to you?

In general, Owens said, many pregnant women don't realize the importance of getting their own medical problems treated.

"We know that the way we get the best pregnancy is to have a healthy mom before mom and baby are together," she said.

Birth defects are the leading cause of infant death in the United States.
Not all are preventable, but a mother can reduce risk by keeping her own health under control by eliminating smoking, drinking and illegal drugs.

The same is true for premature births, another leading cause of infant deaths in the United States. The March of Dimes recently released its Premature Birth Report Card and gave failing grades to Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. Mississippi has the largest premature birth rate based on the 2011 national statistics used in the report.

http://www.cnn.com/...

With conservative states leading the way in rates of birth defects and premature births.   Not all birth defects can be prevented, but many, say the March of Dimes as well as the CDC, can be prevented through good prenatal care, proper nutrition, access to routine checkups.. which includes health of the mother, blood pressure control, etc.   These are common things for those with insurance and care, but not for the poor.  

So, let's be blunt.. the decrease in prenatal care means a rise in infant mortality and an increase in children born with preventable birth defects because of lack of care.

The March of Dimes speaks to exactly how effective good pre-natal care is.
http://www.pcrm.org/...

The medical costs of care for children with disabilities resulting from birth defects have been estimated to exceed $1.4 billion annually.

While some types of birth defects have decreased, mainly through preventive methods, many have increased. According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study of 38 types of birth defects occurring over the period 1979-89, 27 had increased, including several cardiac defects, chromosomal defects such as trisomy 18, and fetal alcohol syndrome; nine had remained the same; and only two had decreased.

That's OK, though, because Republicans will want to fund support for all the children of disabilities born because of bad prenatal care, and they will provide support for women who lose their child in the first year, right?

Don't worry, Republican governors have got that.

2. A program to help adults with disabilities live independently faces an enrollment freeze in the new budget, which will leave nearly 17,000 men and women throughout the state without vital resources over the next two years. Family Care helps provide a wide range of services such as in-home care, supported living communities, meal delivery, and job training to help keep more than 31,000 people integrated with their communities; waiting lists for private resources like housing can be well over a decade. Cutting off enrollment in Family Care is a message from Scott Walker to men and women already disproportionately affected by poverty and discrimination that in his eyes they’re less than human.
http://www.alternet.org/...

So, with more unwanted pregnancies, a higher infant mortality, and an increase in preventable birth defects, I want to know: when did Republicans become the party that likes any of these things?   Because rooting for increases in infant mortality and birth defects is so abhorrent to me, I cannot fathom the logic.

Sorry Republicans.  I prefer babies who breath and live healthy, long lives.   That's why I favor prenatal care support.    Please, advocate for me that you want more children to die after birth, as long as they aren't aborted.   Because it would be an honest assessment of how this will turn out.

Originally posted to tmservo433 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 05:30 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (124+ / 0-)

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 05:30:01 PM PDT

  •  How they envision it turning out: (39+ / 0-)

    The strong will thrive, and the poor will die and decrease the surplus population.

    In time, they will provide good soldiers and laborers for the king... uhm, I mean, corporations.

    The end result will be a stronger America, poised to reap the rewards of our foresight and austerity.

    /snark

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 05:38:10 PM PDT

  •  No parent should outlive a child (11+ / 0-)

    Every child deserves to be born healthy and with adequate resources to continue on that initial healthy path.   If the Repugs were really "pro-life" and not just Forced Birth. then they'd care about the children that are already born and not about embryos and fetuses so much.  

    Tipped and recc'd.

  •  The Dims need to be hammering the Tee Peers (12+ / 0-)

    on this.

    Healthy mothers tend to have healthy babies and vice versa.

    Pre natal care is absolutely the best treatment.  After all the fetus that Republicans love so much is totally dependent on the mother to provide it with what it needs to develop fully.

    But Republicans hate women so much that they blindly assault pregnant women regardless what negative impact it will have on the fetus.  And the spineless Dims need to say that a couple of thousand times each.

    And of course once the fetus is an actual child, that don't care about ether the mother or the child, unless something goes wrong and then it is all her fault.

    It would also help if the spineless Dims would keep pointing out that the TeePeers hold the father to absolutely 0 responsibility both before and after the child is born.

    •  Republicans are Authoritarians (2+ / 0-)
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      Either they bully folks around or like to be bullied.

      With that said, there are women in abusive relationships - who know nothing else, as if that is the way things are.  And yet we think the Muslims treat their women badly..... we have some very bad men here in America as well.

      Control over women, fear of women, uterus envy..... it all goes together.

      Old, white men are going by the wayside all over the globe.  They are, after all, the minority.

      -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

      by MarciaJ720 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:11:43 AM PDT

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  •  Deformed babies mean stay-at-home Moms (20+ / 0-)

    I hate to be that blunt in my title, but, really, that's the end-goal for a lot of the nuttier winger-types out there. They don't think women should be in the workforce in the first place, as it allows them economic freedom from their husbands. Children are their tool to force women to stay at home -- why else would they make day care such a time-limited and expensive commodity? -- and a child who needs a great deal of extra care pushes a woman into the nursery faster and for longer.

    Besides, as other have already mentioned, anything wrong with a child is instantly the fault of the woman, who MUST HAVE engaged in some manner of inappropriate behavior, either before or after birth.

    Radarlady, who figured out the blame-the-woman game very early on in life

    •  Women can also be forced (1+ / 0-)
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      To be prostitutes and mistresses if they have children they need to support without any help.

      Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

      by splashy on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 02:13:42 AM PDT

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  •  Whoa! This is an eye-opener ... (13+ / 0-)

    Very interesting argument.

    Here's another one. An Indiana woman is being prosecuted for murder after a botched suicide attempt that resulted in the death of her pre-mature baby. Really.

    One year ago

    The Indiana Supreme Court let stand a Court of Appeals decision that tells mothers that if they experience a pregnancy loss they can be charged with the crimes of feticide and murder.

    "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

    by annan on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:45:19 AM PDT

    •  "a pregnancy loss"? (6+ / 0-)

      Miscarriage = murder now?

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:48:56 AM PDT

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      •  What about all those (8+ / 0-)

        petri dish fetuses that are breathing on their own... Oh wait, no, they aren't.... Nevermind.

        Back in the 1980's, there was so much the Conservatives argued against "meddling with God" in creating the so called test tube babies.  

        Fast forward and now those same Conservatives who can afford the procedure, go get their test tube babies by the thousands now.

        Conservatives are just a bit slow for reality (or change I should say).

        -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

        by MarciaJ720 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:15:04 AM PDT

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      •  Well, yes and no .... (1+ / 0-)
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        In this case the mother is being prosecuted for feticide since the baby was born prematurely.

        I apologize for the hijack since the diary is about Republicans "killing babies" with their policies, so I'll just leave a link to the story. Indy Star.

        "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

        by annan on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:18:48 AM PDT

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        •  what is she being prosecuted for? (4+ / 0-)
          Bei Bei Shuai, alone and 33 weeks pregnant, attempted suicide by ingesting rat poison. She really wanted to die herself, and this was not an act of deliberate feticide. Shuai, though, was rescued and underwent cesarean surgery to save her baby, who was prematurely born alive but lived for only four days. She named her baby Angel and grieved just like any other mother. ... Shuai was charged with feticide, with the prosecution suggesting that her suicide note, written at a time of tremendous distress, details evidence that should be used against her. Bei Bei Shuai spent 14 months in jail and her trial is scheduled to begin sometime this fall.
          Thanks, annan, for the link to the Indy Star. Would the state be charging Ms Shuai with a crime if the baby / fetus had been born dead - rather than born (by cesarean) alive only to die later? Sounds like the state would be inclined to prosecute either way.
          •  Wow, talk about your speedy justice (5+ / 0-)
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            I guess she must have 'voluntarily waived' her right to a speedy trial. By the time her trial starts, she will have been in prison for about a year and a half. By the time it's done, she may well have been there for two years.

            Of course, this is often considered a good reason to make absolutely certain she is found guilty. Because otherwise they look kind of bad for locking up a heartbroken, suicidal, clinically depressed, mentally ill woman for two years for no reason.

        •  Thanks for the link (1+ / 0-)
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          I suppose there is a difference between a premature delivery resulting from a suicide attempt, and a "natural" miscarriage, but where to draw the line? Did the mom drink, or smoke, or otherwise not attend to her health during her pregnancy? Those things could be considered, perhaps not "feticide", but "negligent fetislaughter" in some Handmaid's Tale near - future.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:40:49 PM PDT

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    •  So let me see if I get this straight (0+ / 0-)

      A woman, who quite possibly didn't want a baby in the first place, tries to kill herself but only succeeds in inducing labor, causing the baby to be born prematurely and die.

      First, are you sure she was trying to commit suicide and not just attempting to abort the pregnancy?

      Second, it seems very strange to attempt to convict someone of murder who tried to commit suicide - if they get the death penalty, isn't that suicide by govt?

  •  What happens if people are denied access to health (7+ / 0-)

    care?

    What happens to women who need an abortion and they can't get one provided by a real doctor?

    Why do republicans want everybody to have as many guns as possible?

    Why do repubs use such hate-filled language against anybody who is not a rich white man?

    Why do their hate radio jocks engage in stochastic terrorism?

    Hmmm?

  •  Not only Heartless, but Stupid (9+ / 0-)

    If the fact that a child who could be healthy with the right care is instead condemned to a life of suffering because the safety net was cut doesn't move them-- consider the expense of a lifetime of disability.
    It's a lose-lose in every way to cut prenatal care.

  •  Conservatives are lazy moralists (16+ / 0-)

    The majority of conservative "morality" is and has always been  lazy and arrogant. There's no great morality in ordering other people to behave as you demand they do, especially when you do not apply those rules to your own life.

    From the days of Augustus, when the Roman elites demanded "morality" (meaning have less fun and leisure, and work harder to make me richer -- an ideology still alive and well) from the proles, to Catholic priests living in royal splendor (and screwing the altar boys -- an activity still alive and well) in the middle ages, to GOP leaders with their rent boy shenanigans and private abortions for their own daughters, conservatism has always been about telling other people how they are required to live while demanding nothing much from one's own behavior (and do all you can to hide the fact that you don't live by your own rules).

    The fact is that GOP policy kills more people than abortion ever has. The fact is that GOP policy in Iraq and Afghanistan have killed tens of thousands of babies, children, not to mention adult men, women, and  uncounted pregnant mothers. The fact is that GOP social policy kills uncounted numbers of Americans every year from denial of needed health care, to inadequate social services.

    But all those deaths can be blamed on the victims of conservative atrocity. At worst the line is "If you weren't so lazy, you wouldn't be poor and wouldn't die," to (a usually unstated, but implicit) "If you are poor, you DESERVE to die."

    "The definition of a liberal Republican is someone who, when you're drowning some 30 feet offshore, throws you a 20 foot rope and boasts that he "went more than halfway." -- Mark Shields
  •  Government by Wal-Mart shopper (7+ / 0-)

    "What is cheap" has replaced "what is good" as the qualifier for legislation, nationally. This has been so since Ronald Reagan, and the results are predictable. However, the same principle is never extended to taboo industries in each administration -- no bid contracts for Iraq, a Defense budget that must increase each year, no matter what, a black budget that is not only no-bid, but off book.

    In addition, the moral crusades are not connected to persons in fact. There is a deep, deep hatred or fear of minorities in today's GOP, and so there is a permanent "they are stealing from Us" war begun, fought, continued, and never won in their own minds. This war, which must never be won, sits astride the "abortion is little white babies being killed by those sluts" mentality. That, too, must never be resolved. They must never win this, because they need it to eternally campaign on. Therefore, the "stop abortion" and "cut programs that the entitled 47% use" are both at the same time, neither connected to reality nor truth.

    The state-by-state fight on abortion was the best thing that the GOP came up with for itself, because now it can claim, like ACORN and "Welfare" that it's forever yet to be done right. (Remember, Gingrich campaigned against "Welfare" in 2012, when there ain't no such thing, thanks to Gingrich in 1995. An anti-ACORN bill went through the House last month.)

    Everyone's innocent of some crime.

    by The Geogre on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:06:02 AM PDT

  •  It's not wild hyperbole. (8+ / 0-)

    It's Frank Luntz style framing, and something we ought to get good at. Moreover, it's true.
    Joe

    "There is just one way to save yourself, and that's to get together and work and fight for everybody." ---Woody Guthrie (quoted by Jim Hightower in The Progressive Populist April 1, 2012, p3)

    by CitizenJoe on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:17:54 AM PDT

    •  I hoped (4+ / 0-)
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      Someone would get the Frank Luntz type reference, complete with his "air quotes".. I decided to remove the air quotes around "killing babies" because I thought no one would get the inside reference, after a message about it.. but it makes me feel better someone subconsciously or concioously made the connection.

      Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

      by Chris Reeves on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:22:22 AM PDT

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    •  Alas (2+ / 0-)
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      We aren't capable of it, it seems. I watched while Republicans rammed through some initiatives in California that would literally cause deaths. The Democrats went on the air with some weak sauce about 'reducing protections' and crap like that.

      How hard is it to say, "IF THIS LAW HAD BEEN AROUND TWENTY YEARS AGO, BEST ESTIMATES SAY THAT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA WOULD HAVE DIED OF ARSENIC POISONING." Nope. We don't do it. It's gauche. It's strident. It's, dare I say it, rabble-rousing. We leave that sort of thing to those ill-tempered Republicans.

  •  As if an enrollment freeze (4+ / 0-)
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    would miraculously cause fewer kids with disabilities to become adults with disabilities.

    This is the real reason I'd be hard pressed to carry a Down Syndrome baby to term - not because of the baby years, but because I'd worry who would take care of the child when he became an adult if I could not?

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:04:26 AM PDT

  •  Tipped and recommended. Too true. (3+ / 0-)
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    Once upon a time I was going to do a dissertation involving infant mortality rates in the United States, focusing on disparities along racial/ethnic and socioeconomic lines.

    It was too overwhelming. Looking at the numbers made me too physically ill to persevere. Tens of thousands of families in this country bury their infants every year because their fellow citizens can't be arsed to enact effective health policy.

  •  they don't care, see? I mean if it isn't obvious (5+ / 0-)

    I talked to a compassionate woman once, a fervent Catholic, who received the kind of social services from the gov't for one of her own disabled children that the GOP likes cutting, a committed GOP voter due to the abortion issue, about how if she cared about "killing babies," what about the issues that this diary outlines?

    And she said: paraphrasing: it didn't matter because at least those babies born into poverty and worse "had a chance," and that "chance," in her worldview, didn't just mean a chance at life in this world, but it meant also that they had a chance at going to "Heaven" and fetuses, who are aborted and not baptized, didn't have that chance.

    I don't think that's the Catholic Church's doctrine anymore, I don't keep up, but she (an older woman) believes it and it is still the doctrine of some of the other more extreme bible thumping sects, I think.

  •  The problem is (6+ / 0-)

    those babies are already born. Once you're born, you're on your own and it's up to you to pull yourself up by your cute little bootie straps. Hungry? Cold? Sick? Get a job, dammit!

    Do I need snark tag? What does an angry snark tag look like?

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    by asterkitty on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 08:14:29 AM PDT

  •  Two words: (2+ / 0-)
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    "Freakin' A".

    This whole discussion makes me want to spit nails, I'm that pissed. Pro-life, my ass!

    -6.75, -5.51..Silence is better than bullsh*t.

    by alliehope on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:46:36 AM PDT

  •  nothing "pro-life" about Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    TMSERVO433's diary is a well laid out argument for why I don't let the term "pro-life" exit my lips. The word is a lie from the get-go.

  •  If your thesis is correct, the statistics (3+ / 0-)
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    should eventually demonstrate to all that children and families in states controlled by the radical theo-reactionaries suffer real damage and loss thereby.

    Of course, every data point of these statistics will be an unspeakable personal tragedy.

    And of course, the Talibangelists will not be impressed by mere statistics and, you know -- reality.

    •  Many states (2+ / 0-)
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      Do not track birth defects in any way.   Which is sad.  Of those that do, as well as track infant mortality, the reality is simple: states with better access to prenatal care have an infant mortality rate that is falling, those with poor prenatal care are going the other direction.

      The chart by CNN (included in the diary) and the CDC makes this pretty clear; while Infant mortality rates are dropping, in some cases significantly, they drop in states with prenatal care.

      Now that states reverse that trend, we see examples like Mississippi and Louisiana where the trend is beginning to go the other way.  

      Some of this is related to drug & alcohol use during pregnancy (preventable).  Some through genetics (not preventable), and a some issues which are not fatal or lead to mortality, but lead to function of the child are also back on the rise.   Basically, expecting mothers who eat well, get the right amount of folic acid, and have low risk factor use have healthier, smarter, happier babies.  Meanwhile, women who get poor nutrition etc. may have babies that survive, but longterm studies tell us that children born of a position of malnutrition tend to have ongoing issues higher propensity for mental problems to behavioral disorders to just being below average IQ.

      Don't we want to give all children the chance to live a full and healthy life?   But apparently, based on how this works out, the answer to that is a big fat: no.

      Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

      by Chris Reeves on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:00:10 PM PDT

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  •  The failure of the logic of punishment (3+ / 0-)
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    The "just don't have sex" idea is rooted in the idea that babies are punishment for sin.  Pregnancy prevention and termination get us out of jail, so to speak, and they can't have that.

    It's important to point out this ridiculous concept to people who say things like that.  I use short sentences like "I got it: Kids are a punishment for sex."  And then hammer them home from there.

    More broadly, the idea speaks to the flawed notion that strong punishments deter.  We see this in the common calls for the death penalty, and in the war on drugs.   (Note: this notion is not a conservative thing, but we're talking about conservatives here, so I'm only focusing on them).  

    The fact is, strong punishments do not deter bad behavior .  This is proven by studies and crime statistics, but it's also plain common sense.  Strong punishments do not deter, because you can only be punished if you get caught, and nobody thinks they'll get caught.  It's human nature to underestimate risk and overestimate one's chances... how else do you think casinos stay in business?  

    What does deter is the certitude of getting caught, even if the punishment is light.  For instance, you can jack up the fine for speeding through a school zone, but what's more effective is putting an automatic radar, with a sign saying "Zone patrolled by automatic radar."  This makes the certainty of getting caught as close to 1 (100%) as possible, and it works like a charm at reducing speeding.  

    Coming back to sex, people who engage in 'risky' sexual behavior figure they won't "get caught", that is, get pregnant.  Either they guess the odds are in their favor, or (more likely) their biological impulses overwhelm their sense of caution.  Either way, abstinence is a terrible method of birth control, and any attempt to lower the number of abortions by counting on it is doomed to fail.  

    Doomed.  It's the reality we live in.  Unfortunately, conservatives checked out of reality a long time ago.

     

    Every woman is the boss of what goes into her vagina, and what comes out. Not you, not me, not the GOP.

    by nominalize on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:30:02 PM PDT

    •  Right! GOP policies are not baby friendly-they're (2+ / 0-)
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      woman unfriendly. The Repubs are not interested in the "babies" --do they vote for pre-natal care, good nutrition for the pregnant, support and help after birth? Certainly not.

      What they want is male supremacy over women in order to divert their male base from learning that they, the non-rich guys,  are being swindled.  

      Reminds me of the old Southern "keep the African-Americans down and tell the low-income whites they are superior" strategy.  It worked for a long time.

      The right of the women of this State to be secure in their persons against unreasonable searches shall not be violated by the State legislature.

      by Mayfly on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:57:56 PM PDT

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      •  worked? I think it still does nt (1+ / 0-)
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        Every woman is the boss of what goes into her vagina, and what comes out. Not you, not me, not the GOP.

        by nominalize on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:54:08 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think they get the male supremacy bit.. (1+ / 0-)
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        Because, male supremacy is worthless without women who actually respect you and want to have sex with you, at least for me.

        And no, nothing in that statement is homophobic, because I also assume those who are gay would be too repulsed by each other to really have a good time in that world either.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

        by Chris Reeves on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 07:21:59 PM PDT

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  •  To the GOP (0+ / 0-)

    Life begins at conception and ceases at birth.

    "Oh if a man tried To take his time on Earth And prove before he died What one man's life could be worth I wonder what would happen to this world" - Harry Chapin

    by macleme on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 03:45:36 PM PDT

  •  Hell yes. In Ohio, not one of these rabid (1+ / 0-)
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    women haters who just voted on the sneak for a package of never-discussed anti-choice measures has expressed even a scintilla of outrage or urgency about a study released in April that found that in some neighborhoods of Cleveland that I can practically throw a stone at from where I sit, the infant mortality rate is higher than in Haiti, Uganda, or Rwanda. And in one of these neighborhoods last year, there was actually one of those 'Let your baby live" billboards.

    Save the babies, indeed. They do not give a rat's ass. Our legislature cut access to prenatal and maternity care in about half a dozen different ways including allowing redirecting funds intended for services for mothers and infants to "crisis pregnancy" centers intended solely to browbeat women who may not be able to afford to care for a baby to have it anyway — so it can die later.

    These people nauseate me.

    Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

    by anastasia p on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 10:07:28 PM PDT

  •  Forced birthers is what they are (1+ / 0-)
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    They don't care about girls/women at all, except to make them suffer and die. They don't care about the unborn, or the born.

    All they care about is forcing pain and suffering on girls/women as punishment for having sex, no matter how it happens. That's it.

    Forced birthers, sadistic forced birthers.

    Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

    by splashy on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 02:08:42 AM PDT

  •  Babies don't vote (1+ / 0-)
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    more importantly,  they don't contribute to campaign funds.

    It'll be interesting, if sickening, to see the post-2010 numbers for North Carolina.

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 at 08:09:09 AM PDT

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