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Josh Fox was promoting HBO's Gasland II this morning on Morning Joe. Josh Fox did a good job of giving an overview of the issue concerning fracking. It got a little contentious around the 4:45 minute mark when Steve Rattner made the mistaken assertion that environmentalists are a one issue group and said that environmentalists cared mostly about the Keystone pipeline and that the anti-fracking movement doesn't have the same oomph as the anti-keystone pipeline group.

Rattner is an economist, so I guess he can be forgiven for thinking of environmental causes as a zero sum game; but maybe not. Is he saying it's impossible to be against two environmental threats at the same time? To be charitable, maybe I should put it in economic terms. Is he saying that you can't be against both mortgage fraud and unregulated derivative trading at the same time? Probably not. So, why he thinks fracking is on the environmentalist back burner is a head scratcher to me. I see news about fracking a couple times a week. It's not a back burner issue to those of us who like potable water.

Here's the clip where Josh Fox talks about Gasland II. Steve Rattner tries to rain on the parade around 4:45.

To make the assertion that fracking doesn't have the same amount of environmentalist attention shows how sheltered Rattner's world is. Maybe if he owned something in the Poconos, he'd have a different take. To say that we don't know all the problems that can be associated with fracking is quite true, but like tobacco; we are assembling more and more evidence every week that shows fracking to not be a good idea. We don't know the full extent of the damage fracking can do to our environment, but the information we have so far is quite troubling. So, troubling that it is time to take stock of the situation. For me, I don't see how contaminating clean water to get dirty fuel is a good idea.

The EPA started to study the effects of fracking until they likely figured out there would be some inconvenient truths in the findings portion of the report and decided to put the study's report off until 2016.

The problem is that people like Steve Rattner like the fossile fuels fracking brings about, but he's comfortable being somewhat clueless about the known hazards of fracking. He also doesn't seem to feel an urgent need to find out about the unknown environmental risks of fracking. Maybe when he gets his first $1,000 water bill for he'll clue in. Then, there's the financial side of fracking and he's uninformed about the financial "benefits" of fracking aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Anyway, if you have a chance you might want to tweet some fracking wisdom to Steve Rattner at

Originally posted to JDWolverton on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:23 PM PDT.

Also republished by Climate Hawks.

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  •  Tip Jar for clean water (15+ / 0-)

    No Steven you can't finish one sentence. Well, you can, but it seemed like you needed some information. I'm happy to help you out with that, so was Josh Fox had you bothered to listen to him.

    If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never has and never will be. Thomas Jefferson

    by JDWolverton on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:23:50 PM PDT

  •  these shows are maddening (6+ / 0-)

    one expert surrounded by a bunch of know nothings,and the know nothings act as if their opinion amounts to something.

    Its why I stopped watching all US news shows to be honest.  If you are not an expert on the topic at hand, I dont want to hear your opinion, its worthless to me, yet cable news is nothing but a bunch of pundits trying to tackle all sorts of issues in which NONE of them have any knowledge.

    Where are the old news shows where the interviewers asks a smart question to a legitimate expert in that field, and then just shuts up.

    International news still does this, You can learn more in 20 minutes of international news coverage than you can in a week watching american news.

  •  NO! (1+ / 0-)
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        Since I was a kid I was told there are hot water veins of rivers, some of flow all the way to California. You might wanna think twice about fucking up the strata that's been in place for hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions, where the Yellowstone caldera is concerned, but Oh you know the map of the underground but IT ISN'T OF THIS WORLD, you God Damned evil nutcases!
        YES, I'm PISSED!

    March AGAINST monsatanOagentorange 3/25/13 a time warp

    by 3rock on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 01:57:56 PM PDT

    •  I hope thiswas for Steve and not me.... (0+ / 0-)

      Anyway, do you have a link to the underground water map? That would be fascinating to me.

      If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never has and never will be. Thomas Jefferson

      by JDWolverton on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:02:03 PM PDT

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  •  Rattner is an idiot. (4+ / 0-)

    That goes for economics too.

    But that aside, all MJ's regulars are bought and paid for. See: Harold Ford, Ed Rendell, Richard Haas, Mark McKinnon etc., etc.

    Maybe in their little bubble, people are not paying attention, but most people I know are all concerned about fracking, coal, mining, KXL, Fukushima/nuclear here, Chernobyl, radiation exhalations and earthquakes and global emissions. Out here we're comprehensive.

    MJ is for stupid people.

  •  Plenty of kossacks who would (0+ / 0-)

    be on Rattner's side on this conversation. Because Obama.

    The reason the 1% is so powerful is that 99% of the 99% has a sleeping sickness. ☮ ♥ ☺

    by Words In Action on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:27:14 PM PDT

    •  Should I HR your comment for hijacking? It seems (1+ / 0-)
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      to be the thing to do these days if I don't agree with or like what you say. Especially since it really is hijacking as it has fuck all to do with the diary.

      I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

      by second gen on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 04:58:13 PM PDT

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  •  I was surprised about Rattner's ignorance on the (1+ / 0-)
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    subject of fracking then he goes on to be an "expert" on the cause of the 777 crash in San Francisco.  You'd think someone as smart as Rattner is presumed to be would know when to keep his mouth shut.

    ""How long does getting thin take?" Pooh asked anxiously." -- A. A. Milne

    by pittie70 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 03:25:12 PM PDT

  •  watching now (0+ / 0-)

    already seen an early premier with josh fox in attendance.  it was great.

    as far as the morning smoe, forget about it.  don't know anything about rattner.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:41:52 PM PDT

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