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Here's a new ad from the Koch brothers and Americans for Prosperity, which pretty much lies about everything Obamacare does.

JULIE: If we can’t pick our own doctor, how do I know our family is going to get the care they need? And what am I getting in exchange for higher premiums and a smaller paycheck? Can I really try the folks in Washington with my family’s health care? I think we all deserve some answers.
There's nothing in the law preventing Julie from seeing the doctor of her choice: That's still going to be between her and her insurance company. And unless Julie's soon-to-be family of four has an annual income of more than $94,200, they'll actually be getting help paying those premiums. She also won't see a smaller paycheck at all, unless they're making more than $200,000 and have to pay a little extra in Medicare taxes.

The Kochs are spending some $700,000 to put this ad in heavy rotation in Virginia and Ohio. (Why those states, who knows? Maybe to make sure House Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor don't let up on the repeal effort?) But they're also taking the disinformation show on the road.

The organization also plans to host a series of events around the country to highlight what president Tim Phillips called “the true consequences of government intrusion into the private health-care decisions of families.”

Phillips told The Washington Post that the group planned “a large, sustained effort” against Obamacare, one aimed largely at people under 35 and young women, in particular.

Yeah, tell young women you want to repeal their free preventive care and birth control. That's a great idea. Particularly when you're going up against first lady Michelle Obama, who's going to be making a special effort to target the same group in the administration's education efforts about Obamacare.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:08 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (39+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:08:00 PM PDT

  •  This is what drives me absolutely psycho about us. (5+ / 0-)

    We CANNOT get on the air like this.  I mean, it's like Keystone Kops.  Between the administration, and what rich people we have and our PACs, where's OUR air campaign.  We KNEW this was coming.

    Where's our counteroffensive?

    Seriously.

    This is why we lose.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:25:12 PM PDT

    •  There's a big push (4+ / 0-)

      from OFA coming. They will be spending some money on this so it won't be totally unanswered. But yeah, back on defense with this.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 02:52:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  This is vague gobbledeegook (3+ / 0-)
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      The attacks I keep hearing now are that small businesses are being forced to assume massive new costs and that businesses are slashing hours to avoid paying the costs.  And I am hearing those from business owners and progressives who have talked to people who have had their hours cut, with business owners alleging (and I mean alleging) this is the reason.

      The "choose your own doctor" crap is so blatant, I don't think anyone not in the Tea Party believes it.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:34:38 AM PDT

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      •  Oh the Tea party believes that and worse. (4+ / 0-)

        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

        by CTMET on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:51:14 AM PDT

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      •  Pretty much. (5+ / 0-)

        For one thing, remember, to them whatever the hell Donald Trump does is considered a "small business," so take whatever they say about small business with a grain of salt.

        Business owners are slashing people's hours for the same reason they always do: because they're assholes.

        The "choose your own doctor" crap is ridiculous.  If you have a health insurance plan, you probably already can't really choose your own doctor.

        29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

        by TDDVandy on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:55:54 AM PDT

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        •  Even with "small business" being defined by (3+ / 0-)
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          the number of employees instead of the amount of profit a company makes, still over 90% of small businesses with more than 50 employees already offer their employees some level of health insurance.

          But because of the way our media picks and chooses the stories they favor (for sensational value rather than news value), the country will hear an overwhelming majority of stories about the expense and inconvenience of the <10% of small businesses in fulfilling the mandate rather than the fact that >90% are not affected at all.  Propagandizing for the business community has become the new priority for "news" delivery.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:23:51 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah. (0+ / 0-)

            Aside from which, nobody in the news media wants to call out millionaire business owners for not providing health insurance for their employees.  (I'm looking at you, Papa John.)

            29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

            by TDDVandy on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:38:42 AM PDT

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    •  I could not agree more. The White House had to (3+ / 0-)

      know this was coming given that they let businesses have another year to prepare for Obamacare, and now of course, Boner says the public now needs a year to prepare for Obamacare. So unless the Administration is prepared to lose this battle, its time to declare war and DEFEND Obamacare!!!

  •  The rightwing knows that once you create (2+ / 0-)
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    an alternative universe of misinformation you can get people to follow you there.  The Administration should employ that whizkid gang that got Obama re-elected to get the real word out on the ACA.  And every Dem politician should be pointing out the best aspects of the act.  As folks attempt to sell the ACA it becomes abundantly clear that Single Payer was the way to go--Medicare for all--because folks generally know how Medicare works.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 03:09:26 PM PDT

  •  in another diary, I noticed Bircher revisionism (0+ / 0-)

    emerge in other forms ( see Sinophobia  and a defense of Cold War Anti-Communism by a bridge-dweller) which will manifest itself more braodly with Koch money

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Jul 08, 2013 at 06:38:41 PM PDT

  •  They figure since they're going to lie, (0+ / 0-)

    they might as well lie big.  It's in the Goebbels I mean Ailes & Rove playbook.

    •  Surprised they didn't trot out death panels then (2+ / 0-)
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      That seemed to be their favorite Big Lie.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:35:21 AM PDT

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      •  Oh but they did trot out that Big Lie. (0+ / 0-)
        ...to highlight what president Tim Phillips called “the true consequences of government intrusion into the private health-care decisions of families."
        Smells like an expanded "death panels" argument to me, and anyone who bought the argument in 2010 will be ready to believe the new and improved version now.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 08:21:32 AM PDT

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        •  Except, of course, for abortion, (0+ / 0-)

          where it is totally the government's job to mandate non-medically necessary procedures, excessively burdensome regulations, and require health care providers to lie to patients.  Where the clinics are not being closed, of course.  /snark

          And the same people will be Shocked, Shocked! at gambling going on in this club... I mean, with government "meddling with their private health care".  Hypocritical sanctimonious shitforbrains nutbags.

  •  The White House should invite David and (0+ / 0-)

    "educate" him on how Obamacare works. Obviously he is too stupid to figure it out himself.

    •  This isn't about Obamacare -- it's a right wing (1+ / 0-)
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      corporate plan anyway.  This is about the Koch Brothers damaging Obama and Democrats with a bullshit vendetta.  Maybe even a salvo to dissuade Obama from doing right by the environment.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:28:27 AM PDT

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  •  would love to find that actress and tell her of (0+ / 0-)

    the harm the lies that came from her mouth will do to families with children.

    Yes I get it, she's just a cog in a wheel. It's just my kneejerk reaction.

    •  Actually that reminds me . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      Here was  the original MA Health connector commercial.

      I can't find the article written about this commercial. I recall the actor in the commercial didn't have insurance and learned about his option while filming this commercial.

  •  Reaching young people thru tv (4+ / 0-)
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    is pretty pointless. When they do watch it, they don't watch the ads.

    Now, this might reach their parents who will tell the younger family members about it...but 10 seconds on Google will debunk it.

    If the Democrats want to fight this, they must continue to keep good information flowing in the on-line venues where the under-30's go.

    Epic fantasy with a sense of humor -- Hero for Hire

    by wonderful world on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:35:58 AM PDT

  •  Hate to break it to you, lady (5+ / 0-)

    But the Koch brothers are the reason your health insurance plan sucks, not Obamacare.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:41:01 AM PDT

  •  The Coke brothers want to feed us a few lines (0+ / 0-)

    Now shaddup and get back to serving the One Percent.

    And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

    by Pale Jenova on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:43:18 AM PDT

  •  To think what they could be doing with their $$$ (2+ / 0-)
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    ..making lives better, improving the quality of life for millions, forever, for generations to come; changing the lives of kids so that the overall effect is impossible to quantify or even know, but it is exponential and positive.

    Instead, they line the pockets of media millionaires and millionaire senators, so that they can lie in an attempt to garner more more more for themselves and the very few who truly share their vision of America.

    It is sad and pathetic.

    Ayn is the bane! Take the Antidote To Ayn Rand and call your doctor in the morning: You have health insurance now! @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:46:22 AM PDT

  •  Great, I look forward to seeing this ad along with (1+ / 0-)
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    TDDVandy

    the Ted Cruz/Rand Paul "Abolish the IRS" ads running on MSNBC soon.  

  •  Think about this (6+ / 0-)
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    These assholes have spent their lives accumulating piles of money so they can spend it on trying to keep their tax bill as low as possible.  They could probably save money by dropping their propaganda campaigns and letting the tax rates trickle up a little.

    At a certain stratosphere, it's not about dollars as much as it is about feeling important, and being slapped on the back by your dumb-ass colleagues.

    Kind of pathetic, really.

    "Unrestricted immigration is a dangerous thing -- look at what happened to the Iroquois." Garrison Keillor

    by Spider Stumbled on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:48:58 AM PDT

    •  Exactly ego is a huge driver in this. (1+ / 0-)
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      The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

      by CTMET on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:50:11 AM PDT

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    •  I mean (1+ / 0-)
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      At a certain stratosphere, it's not about dollars as much as it is about feeling important, and being slapped on the back by your dumb-ass colleagues.
      Just buy a fucking pro sports team already, guys, if you really want to compete with your billionaire buddies.

      29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:52:16 AM PDT

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  •  Can't trust the government with healthcare.... (1+ / 0-)
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    so lets leave it to the Koch Brothers !!!!

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:49:42 AM PDT

    •  Of course they start with (0+ / 0-)

      her talking about how wonderful her health insurance was two years ago...of course if she or her husband still have the job that provides that insurance, they still have the same insurance and Obamacare does not affect them in any noticeable way. The main purpose of Obamacare was to maintain the current system while attempting to graft universal coverage onto it. Most people would never know "Obamacare" existed based on their own personal experience, unless health care costs actually do go down at some point in the future.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:20:06 AM PDT

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  •  Depending on the employer's set-up, (0+ / 0-)

    there is a chance some people will end up paying more for their percentage of participation in a group plan, but it's going to be the younger folks, and it's far more equitable than the previous setup honestly.

    We had a meeting about this at work two weeks ago, so I'm going purely off of what I was told there.

    My employer uses a an 80/20 match on our health plan, meaning 20% of my yearly medical insurance cost is deducted from my paycheck over the course of the year. What was so unfair about that old system was that age and gender discrimination meant women of a certain age were losing far more of their paychecks than I was as a youngish man, because their monthly premiums were far more expensive. We're not a huge office, so we don't have a big cushy equalized group plan; instead, it's an age-banded mess.

    So I personally will be paying more starting next year, but most of our employees will actually be paying LESS, and that's because the age and gender discrimination in coverage has been reduced by the ACA. I see this as a good thing.

    "Nach dem Spiel ist vor dem Spiel." -Sepp Herberger

    by surfbird007 on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:55:39 AM PDT

  •  Well.... (4+ / 0-)

    I work with jackasses who believe this sh*t.  It's extraordinarily maddening, frustrating and tiring.
    I hope, HOPE, there is a dramatic counter to these lying ads.
    Not that some of these fools would believe anything good if it has the name Obama in it.  Really, really annoying.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:58:28 AM PDT

    •  Those people you work with? (0+ / 0-)

      They'll blame any problem with healthcare on "Obamacare". It doesn't matter that insurance rates & health care costs have been going up for decades... now, it's all because of Obamacare. And they'll nod in agreement to eachother. So goes the echo-chamber.

      Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

      by walk2live on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:50:06 AM PDT

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  •  Interesting Article On Forbes This Morning (0+ / 0-)

    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

    by superscalar on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 06:59:47 AM PDT

    •  That's not an article - it's an op-ed. And it's (4+ / 0-)

      an op-ed by a "Forbes contributor" named John Goodman, whose bio states:

      I am the president and Kellye Wright Fellow in Health Care at the National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas, TX, a research fellow at The Independent Institute, Oakland, CA, and author, most recently, of “Priceless: Curing the Healthcare Crisis” (2012, Independent Institute)
      Their Wikipedia listing is quite interesting:
      The NCPA was a member of the Cooler Heads Coalition, an organization created by the now-defunct non-profit group Consumer Alert that described itself as "an alliance of some two dozen non-profit public policy groups concerned about the implications of the Kyoto Protocol for consumers," and which was generally skeptical of the anthropogenic theory of global warming.[10] NCPA has also attempted to debunk peak oil claims.[citation needed]
      In a 2010 pamphlet entitled "What does Health Reform Mean for You?", the NCPA asserted without referencing any sources that under the health care reform law: "Most employers will have to reduce what they pay in wages and other benefits in order to afford the required coverage" and that "The extra burden on employers could cost as many as 700,000 jobs by 2019".[18]
      The NCPA has been characterized as a "right wing think tank" by organizations including People for the American Way, a politically liberal advocacy organization, which noted that NCPA funding has come from foundations with a conservative orientation such as Bradley, Scaife, Koch, John M. Olin Foundation, Earhart Foundation, Castle Rock, and the JM Foundation.[19]

      "We don't analyze the behavioural traits of people who carry weapons. We're looking for terrorists," -- TSA spokesman.

      by here4tehbeer on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:23:28 AM PDT

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      •  Are The Claims In Fact True? (0+ / 0-)

        I have to admit that I don't know enough about the subject to know if the claims made are in fact true or not, which is probably why I found the claims interesting to begin with.

        To tell you the truth I tend to (out of the gate) care very little about who wrote or said something. I generally pretty much care mostly about whether it's true or not.

        I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

        by superscalar on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:52:51 AM PDT

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        •  I, on the other hand, distrust almost everything (1+ / 0-)
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          these days until I can figure out where it's coming from.

          I can look at the two documents linked in that op-ed and find that in one (PDF), the statistics offered are done so without any explanation as to why they are what they are. So it seems fewer eligible employees are signing up for employer-offered insurance in 2011 (around 75%) than in 1996 (around 85%).  Why is this?  It doesn't say. Perhaps massive annual increases in premiums, co-pays and deductibles combined with decreases in coverage and employer contributions might have something to do with it?

          In the other (PDF), I'm told (by BC-BS no less) that the whole problem apparently could be solved if we would: a) stop undercounting the number of folks already on Medicare / Medicaid; b) get more people enrolled in Medicare / Medicaid and SCHIP; c) offer tax credits to folks so they'll be able to afford insurance and; d) make people who can afford insurance actually get insurance.

          I wonder where they got those ideas?  And how, prey tell, do they address the fact that the GOP is hell-bent on defunding those same Medicare / Medicaid / SCHIP programs? Hint: they don't from what I can tell by skimming through it.

          Basically the whole thing is a tribute to "we could easily solve the problem if only we had solved the problem before it became a problem."

          Much like trusting "clean air" policy from Exxon, I'm disinclined to trust healthcare policy from entities that make it their policy to exclude as many people as possible from their risk pool.

          But that's just me :)

          "We don't analyze the behavioural traits of people who carry weapons. We're looking for terrorists," -- TSA spokesman.

          by here4tehbeer on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:01:53 AM PDT

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  •  What's in it for the Koch Billionaires? (2+ / 0-)
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    Do they have their tentacles in health insurance, too?  The Koch Billionaires don't do anything unless they make money off of it.  Public Service, my ass.  

    •  If the Koch bros. are in the insurance racket (0+ / 0-)

      they should like the ACA. Health insurance companies are getting a huge new pool of younger, healthier customers. I can't figure what their scam is on this one. It could just be that they are evil psychopaths with nothing better to do.

      The problem with political jokes is they get elected.

      by shoeless on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:24:06 AM PDT

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      •  So why don't the insurance companies fight for it? (1+ / 0-)
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        I've never understood where the insurance companies stand on the ACA.  On the one hand, I'm sure they hate new regulations which eliminate discrimination against pre-existing conditions, prevent them from finding ways to cancel the policies of sick people, and require a minimum amount of revenue to be spent on care.  On the other hand, the new market the ACA opens up should be an immense business opportunity.

        Since I don't hear tales of the powerful health insurance lobby begging Republicans to knock off the repeal bullsh*t, I can only assume that their dislike of the new regulations outweigh their excitement at the possibility of increased business.

        ------RM

        •  Because it limits them. (0+ / 0-)

          They want what they have had for far too long - a system that lets (and in many ways encourages) them to do whatever they want, and to make a boatload of money from it, while putting out almost nothing in actual payments to clients.

          Many of the top people in insurance want those days back, see the potential for those days to come back, and will do anything to get that.  They don't care about anyone but themselves, and don't think long-term any more than is absolutely necessary.

          Run The Psychopath Test on insurance executives, and I can all but guarantee you'll get a very high proportion of positives.

          I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

          by trumpeter on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:27:09 AM PDT

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        •  Walgreen, Blue Cross Want You to Join Obamacare. (1+ / 0-)
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          The problem with political jokes is they get elected.

          by shoeless on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 11:09:08 AM PDT

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  •  Guess what you can't really pick your own (5+ / 0-)

    doctor now, even if you are covered. You can't afford it.

    If the doctor you want is out of network, between the insurance company and reimbursement rates/time for out of network coverage you choices are effectively limited.

    Another scenario, your insurance company doesn't renew their contract with your preferred provider. All of a sudden they are now out of network, meaning either you have to pay more or switch doctors.

    Your choice now is just an illusion.

  •  Ruining our planet with dirty emissions (0+ / 0-)

    isn't enough evil for the Kochs. They ruin our democracy and they want to ruin our health care.

    Somalia is Koch libertarian heaven. And that's where they belong.

    Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

    by deben on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:03:06 AM PDT

  •  Get rid of "insurance companies"! (5+ / 0-)

    That is the way to lower costs and give everyone good health care. Health care is not insurance care! All they do is skim money off the top. Get them out from between doctors and patients!

  •  This "argument" goes back to "HillaryCare" (1+ / 0-)
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    Probably before.

    I remember it well. I worked at a call center and one of our clients (I found later) was HIAA, the Health Insurance Association of America (which has now morphed into AHIP) the folks who bought us "Harry and Louise." They essentially used what ended up being an 18 month tracking poll to decide how many times we'd see Harry and Louise and what they'd say next.

    Choice of physician is a predictable button to push to scare people about any change to healthcare, whether it's actually an issue or not. My Mother-In-Law, a decades long social worker who has worked with low and moderate income families for as long as she's been doing and reviewing client assessments asserts that choice of physician really isn't an issue for the bottom 60%+ of us. But it hits an "aspiration" nerve: If I could afford to have choice, I want to have it. Sort of like "If I won the lottery, I wouldn't want the Government to take all my money!"

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:23:42 AM PDT

  •  If everyone was being issued their Medicare cards (0+ / 0-)

    ...this wouldn't be happening.

    I just can't muster any sympathy for Obama's and the Democrats' poor little Heritage Foundation insurance scheme.

    The modern Democrat is one who promotes old GOP ideas and calls them progressive in comparison to new GOP ideas.

    by masswaster on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:42:46 AM PDT

  •  i trust the government more on HC (0+ / 0-)

    ...than greedy and evil right-wing monsters. any day.

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

    by humanistique on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 07:43:20 AM PDT

  •  Seriously... (1+ / 0-)
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    One of two solutions:

    1) A 99.9% tax on Koch Brothers holdings.

    2) Combine a few rabid dogs, a small room, and the brothers.

    If I heard that these two moronic, selfish, narcissistic, scumbags were killed in a car crash or fell to some fatal disease, I really wouldn't be upset.  They are a two man cancer on our society and their influence needs to be stopped.

  •  "If we cann't pick our own doctor ..." (4+ / 0-)

    What a hoot. Funny, but having a limited choice of physicians under an HMO plan is somehow A-OK if Corporate America is running the show.

  •  JULIE: If we can’t pick our own doctor... (0+ / 0-)

    JULIE: If we can’t pick our own doctor, how do I know our family is going to get the care they need?

    I don't know Julie.  What if you pick a lousy doctor?  Would that help?  But the truth is, you can pick any doctor you want so pick a good one.

  •  ACK! there are no "private healthcare decisions" (0+ / 0-)

    for women and their families because of teabagger governments....do they not see this disconnect?

    The organization also plans to host a series of events around the country to highlight what president Tim Phillips called “the true consequences of government intrusion into the private health-care decisions of families.”

  •  Why do the Rich Kochs want to prevent others (1+ / 0-)
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    from getting the medical care they can afford with no insurance?

    what is wrong with these men?

    •  they despise everybody who's not them (0+ / 0-)

      "If men were angels, no government would be necessary." James Madison, Federalist #51

      by history first on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:14:10 AM PDT

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    •  They have this libertarian fantasy... (0+ / 0-)

      That if everyone just worked as hard as them, it would be sunshine & lollipops for all. They're simply opposed to our government - that is, a government of, for and by "the people" - having much of any role in the way we live our lives or structure our society.

      Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

      by walk2live on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:47:06 AM PDT

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  •  "Heavy rotation in Ohio". Pfft. (0+ / 0-)

    Wake me up when these idiots learn how to advertise.

    During the 2012 campaign, I kept hearing how the Republican-allied money machine was pouring an obscene amount of money into Ohio to target Sherrod Brown.  I almost never saw any of the ads, except during the Olympics.  The reason is simple:  my wife and I watch a lot of TV, but almost never watch the broadcast networks.  Almost all this money was going to buy ad time on broadcast stations.

    The attack campaign on Brown had virtually no effect, and I'm convinced that one big reason is that an awful lot of Ohioans, probably a majority of those under 45, weren't seeing the ads very often.  The ads were being purchased as if people still watched TV like they did 20 years ago.

    So, I'm not particularly worried.  These people have shown very little competence in communicating in the modern age, so much so that our side has been able to keep up with them easily, even when we have less money to work with.

    ------RM

  •  let's not repeat the summer of '09 (0+ / 0-)

    The reason why "Obamacare" is still vilified (and most Americans are still phenomenally ignorant) is because the Administration allowed a PR disaster to occur in the summer of '09. They created an informational vacuum that was filled by the GOP/TP/Kochs/Armey/Rove hellbent on making sure ignorant people stayed ignorant.

    It will happen this summer unless the Administration (or the DNC or somebody) gets out in front of the Kochs on this.

    imho

    "If men were angels, no government would be necessary." James Madison, Federalist #51

    by history first on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:12:41 AM PDT

  •  Ok - what would it cost (1+ / 0-)
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    to get the 'actress' in that spot to do another one from the other side of the argument.  Don't need to pay air fees - just put it on the 'net.

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:13:03 AM PDT

  •  They obviously know they're lying. (0+ / 0-)

    That makes them psychopaths.

    Straight up.

    Evil.

    No quarter - They are the enemies of life.

    Show them NO mercy.


    The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. - Pangolin@kunstler.com

    by No one gets out alive on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 09:15:43 AM PDT

  •  There is about the Koches and Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    generally an air of maliciousness and destructiveness undertaken just because they feel they can.

  •  Say what you want about the Koch Brothers.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....but they know how to build ---or ruin--  a brand. They could care less about Obamacare. What they want is to win elections. Ruining the brand helps.

    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

    by Bensdad on Wed Jul 10, 2013 at 11:13:39 AM PDT

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