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Joe Pettimato holds a sign supporting Hazelton Mayor Lou Barletta as he attends a rally in support of immigrant issues in Scranton, Pennsylvania, March 12, 2007. REUTERS
What's left of the GOP.
Won't work, assholes.
While Republicans settle on a least-bad immigration strategy, it’s dawned on reform opponents and their conservative allies that if the effort dies in the House, they’ll need to bring a plausible excuse to the public — that is, if they hope to sidestep at least some of the blame for the debacle.

And they think they’ve found one.

Specifically, they hope to draw a connection between the White House’s recent health care reform implementation decisions and border security measures in the Senate’s immigration bill to claim their opposition to comprehensive reform stems not from substantive objections but from a sense that the Obama administration will ignore parts of an immigration law it doesn’t like.

House Republicans are acting as though they need to win the battle of the Sunday morning talk shows, rather than face down the demographic challenge to their very existence.

House Republicans don't look keen to pass anything. For a while, House Speaker John Boehner was coy on whether the Hastert Rule would apply to a conference bill. The Hastert Rule requires a majority of the majority for any bill to get a vote on the House floor. Conservatives are pushing hard for it because it eliminates the possibility that House Republican reformers could team up with Democrats to pass an immigration reform bill.

However, the House bill isn't the final immigration bill. That would be hashed out by House and Senate negotiators in a conference committee. Then, both chambers would vote on the compromise bill for final passage.

House conservatives aren't stupid, though. They know the conference bill is the real one, and after weeks of egging him on, they finally got the speaker to state that the Hastert Rule would also apply to the conference bill. So either he's lying to House cons, or there isn't a bill. It's that simple. There's no way a sensible reform bill—even a severely compromised one—gets a majority of Republican support.

Given that House Republicans are looking to blame someone, they also realize the current state of play. But like I mentioned above, the finger-pointing won't do them any good with the people they are supposedly trying to woo—Latinos. Blame Obamacare? Latinos love Obamacare!

Saying, "We won't give you immigration reform that you desperately want because of the healthcare law that you strongly support" isn't exactly smart politics. It's the dumbest thing I've seen out of a dumb party in a long time. If you want to kill immigration reform, then own up to it. You hate brown people, you don't want more of them, you're afraid of them. Be proud and own it. You won't be fooling anyone otherwise, and certainly not Latinos.

But it's clear smart politics have gone out the window with the current House GOP. It's run by people who don't give a damn about smart politics, who are busy unskewing demographic reports to convince themselves that the shrinking white population will save their gizzard.

Originally posted to kos on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:35 AM PDT.

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  •  Boehner stalling until debt ceiling fight.... (10+ / 0-) order to maximize the cluster-fuckery, and probably, to let the Tea Party/GOP take its lumps once rather than over and over again.

    He HAS to fight the debt ceiling fight, everything else he can punt on.

  •  lol..I'm actually enjoying this. (8+ / 0-)

    The GOP has the vapors because they can't refuse opportunity for minorities and continue to exist.

    The squeeze is on...will be interesting to see where this takes us.

    Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

    by Morgan Sandlin on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:44:05 AM PDT

  •  Karma will get them. (16+ / 0-)

    They will have lost Latinos for decades.  They may hope that they can run Rubio and fool folks, but I don't think Rubio can win the Confederacy in a primary.

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:46:13 AM PDT

  •  Tipped JUST for calling them assholes. (7+ / 0-)

    Fuck decoum - we need winning.

  •  Republicans likely to attach many poison pill (5+ / 0-)

    amendments to bill and as Democrats vote them down the repubs will shout about "Democrat" obstructionism like they are doing about the student loan interest bill.

    I'd tip you but they cut off my tip box. The TSA would put Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad on the no-fly list.

    by OHdog on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:51:13 AM PDT

  •  Since the immigration bill cuts the deficit... (7+ / 0-) are they going to pay for not voting for it?

    And can we have a jobs bill please.

    The highest form of spiritual practice is self observation with compassion.

    by NCJim on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:52:03 AM PDT

  •  Excuses only plausible if you are a Republican (6+ / 0-)

    Preaching to the choir will get you no converts. One more step forward in the inevitable death march.

  •  Meanwhile in Bizzarro World... (1+ / 0-)
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    The republicans fairly, and without malice or emotionally charged rhetoric, logically analyze every issue. They weigh all the options, and ramifications, before issuing a carefully measured policy that is fair to all citizens. Their integrity makes them immune to special interest influence. Their concern for the well being of people stems from their humble, hard scrabble upbringing.
    Republicans, champions of the under privileged, and the working class.

  •  Hand `em all mirrors... n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:59:19 AM PDT

  •  For House Republicans in gerrymandered districts (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    smart politics means avoiding a primary challenge from the right.

    But it's clear smart politics have gone out the window with the current House GOP. It's run by people who don't give a damn about smart politics,
    •  So where do they go? (3+ / 0-)

      ...when they're already pegged at "Bat-Shit Crazy"?

      "Homicidal Maniac"?


      "Serial Killer"?

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:34:28 AM PDT

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    •  The SCOTUS recent VRA decsion killing the (1+ / 0-)
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      preclearance requirements for offending states has relieved House Republicans of any concern over the political efficacy of the expanding Latino vote. Witness the speed that the southern states reinstated the previously rejected changes to their respective voting laws. From the perspective of the House Republicans the need to appease the Latino immigrant population by Congress passing a new Immigration Bill is no longer necessary as the SCOTUS has effectively blocked the federal government's control over the efforts of offending states to suppress non-white voting registration and access to voting facilities.

      Also Chief Justice Roberts showed his political savvy by essentially directing his conservative majority to knock down  Prop 8 and  DOMA  in a political move designed to give a great deal of relief and satisfaction to the emerging Gay movement, while he directed his Republican majority to strike down the key  enforcement provision of the Voting Rights Act (VRA). Roberts recognized the strong political organizing capability within the Gay Movement had to be pacified before the next election; whereas he is counting on the traditional political dysfunction that exists in  communities of color to continue, and that in combination with the decision removing the DOJ from being able to control state voter suppression laws should greatly strengthen the Republican Party's chances to recapture the Senate in 2014, due to the large number of Democratic seats up for election.

      Lastly if the Republicans gain control of both Houses of Congress and a Democrat is elected President in 2016 it will still fit in perfectly with the Republican Plan for advancing their agenda. (you can count on Monsanto to be high on that list as the next national fight will be over what will be safe for Americans to eat.) Having complete control over the crafting of legislation will give them the unlimited power to slide through highly controversial amendments buried deep inside crucial legislation that will prove to be too difficult for the Democratic President to veto.  

      •  You are correct re: Thugs and Roberts thinking imo (0+ / 0-)

        But... they are going to get too cute playing this losing hand, because ultimately it is a losing hand.

        Even in the shorter-term ity might not be as helpful as they think: e.g., 1) you can't gerrymander a Senate election, not that the House Thugs care about that, 2) the DOMA/Prop.8 decisions ulitmately mean the 'gay vote' (and likely more important money) will be activated in many states they need to not have to defend in order to get the Senate and have a chance at winning POTUS, and 3) its meaningless if women voters actually wake up.

        But, as tactical thinking on how they play thier bad hand, you are correct imo.

  •  The Koch brothers and other lobbyists (0+ / 0-)

    Are strongly supporting the immigration bill in its current form.
    There are two parts to this bill : a path to citizenship, which would take 13 years and is extremely convoluted and complex and the border stengthing portion, which will funnel billions of federal dollars to cozy donors.

    The money to donors starts immediately.

    We were already fooled by Perot representing the racist anti- nafta demagogue under Clinton.  Perot was easy to stand against, but we missed the big picture.  This is bait and switch. There are very good reasons for liberals to be against this bill.

    Union busting???? That's disgusting!!!

    by invisiblewoman on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:03:50 AM PDT

    •  Chamber of Commerce also wants it... (0+ / 0-)

      for the temporary worker program, because Republican ran states are cracking down on illegal workers to the point that fields go unpicked and money is being lost.  So CoC wants the temp workers so that Az, Ga and the like can't run off cheap labor.  

      If you're not talking about what billionaire hedgefund bankster Peter G. Peterson is up to you're having the wrong conversations.

      by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:14:26 AM PDT

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    •  Apropos of nothing but (1+ / 0-)
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      I met Perot, at a bbq.  He's kind of a shrimp!

    •  But there are more good reasons for liberals (1+ / 0-)
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      to support this bill.  For one, it would normalize the statuses of millions of undocumented immigrants, bringing them out of the shadows, and give peace to mind to them and their families.  Secondly, increased immigration not only helps the economy, it will greatly help in shoring up the finances of our safety net programs.

      In any event, the biggest reason we should support immigration reform is this:

       photo LatinoscelebratingIRpassage_zpscf024ee9.jpg

      Those are people celebrating the passage of the Senate immigration reform bill.  Latinos are the fastest growing demographic along with Asians.  Nonwhites will make up an increasing proportion of the American electorate in the coming years, and they are generally more liberal than their white counterparts.  In other words, they are the key to a more progressive America, which all of us here desire.

      If you don't believe me, just look at California, which just 25 years ago was a conservative Republican stronghold.  But due to the increase in the nonwhite demographic, California is now a deep blue state.

      Passing immigration reform, or at least fighting very hard for it, would be tremendously important in securing the nonwhite demographic, and thus securing the likelihood of a more liberal future for America.

      "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

      by puakev on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:27:39 AM PDT

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    •  It's important to get the illegal agricultural (0+ / 0-)

      workers out of the shadows. The working conditions on many of the industrial farms and packing houses using illegal labor are horrendous. Women are raped by bosses with impunity. If you are truely a woman, then you should be supporting getting the illegal agricultural workers out of the shadows. Many of them are women.

      It's true that many corporatists are all for immigration reform in an attempt to drive down wages and bust unions. Doing what we can to take back the house of representatives and increasing democrats in the senate will go a long way to pushing back against the corporatists.

      Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

      by harris stein on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 12:47:32 PM PDT

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  •  Where is the public ground swell for this? (1+ / 0-)
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    Senate passed it, but there doesn't seem to be any public pressure on the House GOP here?  Is this the new strategy, to largely keep the pressure off as it would just cause the teabaggers to entrench?  

    If you're not talking about what billionaire hedgefund bankster Peter G. Peterson is up to you're having the wrong conversations.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:07:48 AM PDT

    •  The groundswell is among Latinos (1+ / 0-)
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      and to a lesser extent Asians.  But watch Spanish-language TV, they're very much on top of the immigration reform issue.  Problem is, not enough of them live in red districts to influence the votes of Republicans.

      Also a problem is the fact that the liberal commentariat and liberal activists such as the kind you often find at places like Daily Kos don't much care for the issue, and not a small number are actively hostile to immigration reform.

      But don't think for a second that such folks are representative of liberals in general or the Democratic base.  The base is much more diverse than what is represented here, and immigration reform is far more important to them than seems to be the case on the liberal intertubes.

      "Those who have wrought great changes in the world never succeeded by gaining over chiefs; but always by exciting the multitude." - Martin Van Buren

      by puakev on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:44:40 AM PDT

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  •  Deluded sorry mfing assholes (0+ / 0-)

    They can't do anything in the House - we should be having a gazillion person march on Washington to tell them to get to work.
    And who watches this shit, especially in the summer? Good on ya Repubs, win the heart & minds of Gregory and his band of sucky fake-journalist friends.

    House Republicans are acting as though they need to win the battle of the Sunday morning talk shows,

    Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

    by hulibow on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:08:27 AM PDT

    •  It isn't bad enough yet... (0+ / 0-)

      ...for our inattentive fellow citizens to consider doing that.

      Meanwhile, they have MILLIONS in the streets in Egypt...

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:36:49 AM PDT

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      •  And they also had (0+ / 0-)

        a military coup as a result. No thanks. We'll do things differently here.

        •  Not talking coup (0+ / 0-)

          but I like what I'm seeing in Texas. Standing up and speaking out. Don't think we are putting enough pressure on to force Washington to do something - I can't even remember the last thing that passed both houses.

          Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

          by hulibow on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 12:00:37 PM PDT

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        •  Not talking coup here, either (0+ / 0-)

          Do you think us having a lot of people in the streets is a BAD thing, kos?  As opposed to general ennui on the part of our fellow citizens?

          If so, I'm thoroughly surprised, and a bit flummoxed....

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 12:06:48 PM PDT

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        •  Well? (0+ / 0-)

          Do you think it's a bad thing to encourage masses of folks to gather in the streets, say in Washington, to complain about government policies?

          I personally would like to see demos in Washington that look like the Poor People's March, or the anti-VietNam war demos, but our fellow citizens don't seem to be paying close enough attention to respond in that way.

          There is evidently a planned mass gathering in Washington for later this summer in commemoration of the 1963 civil rights marches, and I'm trying to figure out how to join in, myself....Do you think that's misguided?

          I don't know how you conflate a lot of Americans gathering to demonstrate with wanting to instigate a military coup, or that a lot of people demonstrating would lead to one, if that were the case, we're in a lot more danger of a fascist authoritarian state than I ever thought!

          I personally found your response rather shocking, and disappointing.

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 05:57:53 PM PDT

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  •  Tis only a matter of time. (6+ / 0-)

    Senate Republicans can read the writing on the wall because they've seen the statewide election results. They know they are now headed towards routinely losing statewide elections in presidential years. They see how they couldn't beat Harry Reid even in a tidal wave year.

    House Republicans however believe they have gerrymandered their way to safety. But this safety is only temporary. Eventually, the national tide will begin to impact state elections and how districts are drawn. After that, congressional districts are going to get redrawn. By that time, Republicans will have lost an entire generation of young people and Latinos to Democrats.

    So they can fight tooth and nail for a lost cause, but in the end it will end the same way for them that the Civil War did.

  •  Ayn Rand (0+ / 0-)

    Since so many conservative are worshipers at the feet of Ayn Rand...

    The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
    Which is why I find so funny that so many base their argument on 'illegals allians' being criminal.  They are criminal because the guvment says they are criminals.  It is not like, say murder, where there is pretty much a world wide consensus that such behavior should be minimized.

    Then they argue against fordable health care because it allows the government to control our live.  Ok, I understand that to many conservatives that only real humans are a certain class of US citizen, and the rest of us are inferior servants, but that is beside the point here.  

    Like a felony DUI(where there may be no damage or risk of damage, except to oneself) or felony weapon possession, or felony curfew violations, undocumented immigration can be argued to be  crime created by the federal government to create employment.  This is not bad except it increases the deficit and long term expenditures.  For instance, Bush's job creation program, the iraq war, is expected to cost a few trillion dollars over the next generation.

  •  GOP (1+ / 0-)
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    A big stewing mess of angry old white guys who can't write or draw or speak intelligently!

    Haw haw!

    Ugh! --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

    by unclebucky on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:15:41 AM PDT

  •  Moran. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:22:56 AM PDT

  •  Why is that grizzled good ol' boy (1+ / 0-)
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    carrying a sign that looks like it was drawn by a grade school girl?

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:51:02 AM PDT

  •  What's the word on a discharge petition? (1+ / 0-)
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    Or do you think it's moving quietly under the radar?

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 11:26:05 AM PDT

  •  I agree that Boehner's strategy is to delay (1+ / 0-)
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    until the debt ceiling fight being predicted for October when he thinks he can rally his tea party crazy base.

    Unless hypocrite Obama caves in on the debt ceiling fight, Boehner's strategy is a loser.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

    by harris stein on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 12:51:58 PM PDT

  •  Republicans remind me of "cutters" (0+ / 0-)

    ...those people who are deliberately causing harm to themselves by cutting themselves in various places...and, just like with other cutters, it's some kind of a disorder that they can't stop themselves from doing.

    If the Republican Party does end up going the way of the dinosaurs, it will be a death from a thousand cuts, cuts of their own doing.

  •  Hispanics will never vote for the GOP, now. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Well, (0+ / 0-)

    Ron White sums it up with one simple line:  "You can't fix stupid!"

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