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Trayvon Martin, Courtesy of MSNBC

I read about the Trayvon Martin murder trial. People seem to be pretty (and ugly) split in their defense of Martin or the defendant, George Zimmerman. I’m not a biologist, but I have two or more things to say:

1. Why the fuck are ‘citizens’  like Zimmerman becoming vigilantes running around suburbia with guns when violent crime statistics across the country have fallen precipitously over the last 40 years. (See the New York Times article “Steady Decline in Major Crime Baffles Experts“.)

2. However, is there a connection between violent crime increasing since 2006 (New York Times), easy access to high-powered weapons and the doubling of gun ownership since 2000 (Live Science)?

3. Why did defense lawyers claim that Trayvon Martin used concrete as a weapon against George Zimmerman? If Zimmerman was stalking Martin, wouldn’t Martin thus have the right to defend himself using whatever means necessary, including concrete or karate. Does stand your ground only apply to people who are carrying guns? What about people who are unarmed? Are they the ones who have to justify their right to walk on any street in America at any time of the day?

4. Guns don’t kill people. People holding guns kill people. Limit access to guns in the hands of people who may kill people and maybe we can reduce the rising violent crime statistics of people using guns to kill people.

5. Why is it that Americans are presumed innocent before proven guilty in the court of law, yet we are allowed to shoot our fellow Americans down (especially in the State of Florida) on the streets without this same presumption of innocence?

6. Do people dress to kill and then buy skittles and ice tea instead or do people kill to kill regardless of the skittles or ice tea in one’s hands?

Anyway, like I said, I’m not physicist.

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  •  Tip Jar (2+ / 0-)
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    CcVenussPromise, BlueDragon

    Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

    by healthy on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:22:03 PM PDT

  •  Question 1 (0+ / 0-)

    Zimmerman started up a crime watch because there was a crime wave in his neighborhood. I'm sure it's very nice if crime is going down in your area, but it was going up in his and some of his neighbors had been terrorized. The desire to protect one's home and town is something that nearly all normal humans have and understand.

    Really tacky you posting the dead body pic, btw.

    Language professors HATE me!

    by Zornorph on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:29:52 PM PDT

    •  Answer 1 (2+ / 0-)
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      Yasuragi, BlackSheep1

      There would have been no struggle, no fight, no shooting and no death, if Zimmerman had not seen a black kid and assumed he was "up to no good", if Zimmerman had not taken it on himself to go after Trayvon because of crimes other young men had committed, if Zimmerman had stayed in his fcuking car, or if Zimmerman had stuck to what "Neighborhood Watch" people are supposed to do:  see and CALL.

      Not see, call, follow after being told "we don't need you to do that", engage, struggle, shoot and kill.


      Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

      by healthy on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:38:13 PM PDT

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    •  Why is posting the dead body tacky? (3+ / 0-)
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      healthy, CcVenussPromise, BlackSheep1

      It kind of brings home what happened here.

    •  Not tacky at all. The outcomes or results of (5+ / 0-)

      vigilantism and the vigilante mentality are always worthwhile and legitimate commentary on the validity of vigilantism as a behavioral mode because they simultaneoously inform as to both the goal and the end.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:44:03 PM PDT

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    •  I would suggest Zimmerman started (1+ / 0-)
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      the neighborhood watch partially for psychological reasons. He could have just a well started a neighborhood youth activities club as part of the watch.

      He pursued Martin rather than act like the responsible adult.


      police have records of 46 calls from Zimmerman since 2004, both to 911 and a nonemergency number, sometimes for reasons as mundane as reporting a pothole blocking a road, as he did in 2005.
      If any good is to come from this verdict let it be that folks in these gated neighborhoods with spikes in break-ins and thefts take time to do more than let a Zimmerman patrol while armed.

      What block party did Zimmerman host or propose as part of a lets-talk-about-our-crime-problem-before-someone-gets-killed....

      blockquote if from story here.

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      by CcVenussPromise on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:49:06 PM PDT

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    •  I find it tacky that you (1+ / 0-)
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      Feel the need to defend Zimmerman's conduct.

      I find nothing tacky about the picture of Trayvon's body. Ask Emmett Till's mother if it is tacky to let people see the brutality someone has inflicted on a child because of their prejudice and hatred.

      WE owe it to Trayvon Martin to witness his death and to be moved by what was done to him so unjustly and not to forget. Trayvon Martin was not responsible for any crime in Zimmerman's neighborhood and had every right to walk outside his father's dwelling without dying because a wannabe cop was prejudiced and fearful.

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      by CatM on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 11:08:09 PM PDT

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  •  I think guns kill people (1+ / 0-)
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    You give guns to people and people are going to get shot.

    Without the guns nobody gets shot.

  •  We live in a time in which (1+ / 0-)
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    mentally normal people are becoming more functional and stripping themselves of the accepted craziness within, and tolerated within, the old culture.

    The crazy people are 'standing their ground', though.  And buying guns, blaming gay people for their families coming apart.  And abortion, and foreigners, and libruls, and Socialism, and Big Government.  

    The laws and a lot of public attitudes bias in favor of the crazy people.   George Zimmerman is a nut and attitudes and laws bias in his favor.  There's no good reason he shot Trayvon Martin; he probably had an anxiety/paranoia attack during the confrontation (Martin thought he could tell him off) and fired, more at the cramp paranoia made in his brain than at Martin, but hitting Martin in a manner that killed.

    I think we're in for a couple of years of sporadic atrocities by wackos as a running salient feature of American life.  Not that there are significantly more occurring than there used to be, but they matter now.  They're the symbols or particular incarnations of what most makes us socially miserable these days.  'Terrorism' is another angle on the same.

    My guess is that this sort of crap will go on in a series of horrible incidents for at least five, but probably not ten years.  At some point the 'conservative' covers and excuses given the perps will exhaust the support and benefit of the doubt extended to them.  One day it will just collapse.  But that day could be a long time and many more innocent victims away.  Still, when it comes an uncivilized form of American culture will come to and end.   That day can't come soon enough, imho.

    •  Like your thoughts. I believe the information era (1+ / 0-)
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      will help and is helping immensely to bring an end to an era where crazy people are not seriously evaluated by society and physicians. Mental health care will play an important role as will the rest of society who will seek to instill a sense of fairness, open mindedness and balance in the attitude and mindset of all members of society.

      Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

      by healthy on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 08:02:12 AM PDT

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