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One would think that 'using a weapon as a crutch' is some kind of metaphor about the gun culture and people using their weapon as a support mechanism to lean on when unable to stand on their own. Because no jackass would ever actually use an assault rifle as a literal crutch right? Wrong. And a little girl is dead:

An Oregon man told police he was using his assault rifle as a crutch to help him get up from a couch at a friend's apartment when it fired a burst through the ceiling and killed a little girl upstairs, court records show.

A police affidavit said Jon Andrew Meyer Jr. told investigators the gun went off accidentally June 27 at the Grants Pass apartment, the Grants Pass Daily Courier reported.

Meyer is being held on $250,000 bail on charges of manslaughter, assault and unlawful possession of a machine gun.

Authorities say he was responsible for the reckless burst of rifle fire that killed 5-year-old Alysa Bobbitt of Shady Cove and wounded apartment resident Karen Hancock.

Accidents happen thought right? As tragic as things may be, this was just a horrible accident and nothing could of been done to prevent it, many NRA types would argue. Sure, unless you start asking why Meyer even had a weapon in the first place.
Court records say his fiancee had kicked him out of her place, getting a restraining order, and he listed his current residence as his sister's home.


Her June 20 petition for the restraining order described him as an ‘unpredictable drug addict’ who had threatened her with a gun, and threatened to burn down her house, slash her tires and break the windows on her car.

The judge noted in the file that Meyer had four guns.

So we have a man who just a couple weeks prior had been making violent threats who was roaming the streets when the courts knew he was armed. It is not the courts fault because I am sure there is some ALEC or NRA based law that prevents weapons from being seized without someone having been found guilty of a crime or something  crazy like that.

Meyer has another point in his favor:

Defense lawyer Gary Berlant adds Meyer had been assured the gun was not fully automatic.
See? Only one person should have gotten shot upstairs. But instead some mean person lied when selling the gun and it sprayed far more bullets than it should have.

Can we please live in a world where our kids do not have to wear these  to visit a friend or go to school?

Originally posted to LieparDestin on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 05:47 AM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA), Shut Down the NRA, and notRKBA.

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  •  Burst mode? (7+ / 0-)

    According to our local gunloons, semi-automatics don't do burst mode. And modifying them, contrary to what I had been led to believe, is beyond the skillset of most gun owners.
    But here we have a gun that accidentally fires a burst when tapped on the butt. That the gun-owner was unaware was possible.
    Someone, somewhere is lying.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 06:05:50 AM PDT

    •  I don't beleive this crap for one second (4+ / 0-)

      the shooter pulled the trigger. He's lying.

      This is right up there with I was cleaning my gun, when....

      [it went off and shot my woman in the chest.]
      [it when off and shot my 8 year old kid, who happened to be sitting right in front of me watching TV, in the head.]

      Men are enabled to get away with these shootings, even killings by making up the most preposterous lies, especially if they have any reason to suspect that the police don't really want to investigate anyway.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 08:39:12 AM PDT

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      •  Not Unless It Was Illegally Modified Badly (3+ / 0-)

        Sort of like removing the brakes from your car - illegal and stupid.

        But yeah the story is probably bullshit.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 09:18:44 AM PDT

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        •  See my comment below. They can legally modify (1+ / 0-)
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          these weapons just by buying a stock attachment that allows them to bump fire. It's the same thing as automatic and totally legal.

          "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

          by ranger995 on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 11:43:56 AM PDT

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          •  bump fire requires a loose hold... (1+ / 0-)
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            for every part of the weapon between the trigger and the end of the butstock (the little recoil present moves the whole weapon back just far enough to set the sear, but your finger on the tirgger has enough preassure remaining to 'bump' the sear loose, firing again).

            'bump fire assist' devices like the stock you mention just make it easier to maintain that lose hold.

            Placing the but against the floor and pulling the trigger means there's no were for recoil to move the rifle, and bump fire never happens.

            There is a 'spade' kit you can use to replace the stock and grip so that a rifle has the feel of a Browning M2 (ie a button/paddle at the rear of the rifle you depress to fire it).  The spade sounds more plausible but isn't inherently bumpable (i.e it should make bump firing harder, changing the orientation of 'pull' 180 degrees), and then again you have the physics of being against the floor again!

            There is one last possibility...  if the lower is put together with bad trigger assembly pins, poor alignment of the pin holes, or the trigger pins broke, there could then be a physical issue holding back the sear!  
            Failure modes would exhibit as the rifle going off randomly without any preassure on the trigger (or anything else) after a round is chambered (or worse, while a round is chambered, causing an out-of-battery detonation, which will usually wreck the gun and hurt the opperator), the hammer not falling when the trigger is pulled, or multiple rounds firing after the rifle is bumped or trigger is pulled.

            Yeah, no, I agree with Lilith, this man is probably a liar, a bad trigger assembly is easy to diagnose and troubleshoot.  If his rifle broke this way it will be apparent with either a function check, or by the police armorer or a gunsmith taking apart the lower (a 2-minute job for either)

            •  This looks more like it: (0+ / 0-)
              if the lower is put together with bad trigger assembly pins, poor alignment of the pin holes, or the trigger pins broke
              I was shown, by a gangster in LA, how they filed off some little part inside the gun (an AK, I think) and that made it fully auto. I'm told that this is either impossible or really dangerous, of course, the gunloons argue that it's too difficult for a non-gunsmith to do, HA!
              I'd practically bet that this gun was modified in that way to be fully auto and simply knocking it as he set it down lossed a couple rounds. He must have been holding it by the barrel.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Mon Jul 15, 2013 at 06:41:09 AM PDT

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              •  yeah, but breaking the trigger assembly pins... (0+ / 0-)

                makes it so you have no idea what the refile will do.  The sear my hold (indefinitely, or until you take it appart) if the broken pin jams it shut.  It could also jam the sear until bumped.  or until the pin randomly shifts.  OR the sear my never hold down in the first place, in which case it may slam fire (possibly what happened to the guy in the story).  Or it may not.

                It's a really bad, unsafe condition, not something that you'd do to 'hack' a semi into full auto.

                If the firing pin got 'stick' in the fully forward position, you could feasibly get the weapon to slam fire every time, but then depending on how you did this, you risk an out-of-battery detonation (google ar-15 kaboom to see what happens to the rifle/operator when this happens).

                BTW, a lot of folks will tell people the part to file down a bit is the firing pin to make a rifle fully automatic.  This is actually  bad joke, because if you file down the firing pin, you actually make the rifle incapable of shooting!  The idea being that if somebody actually follows their advice, they end up with a disabled weapon, a karma punishment.

                The only way to make a safe/reliably-full-auto rifle is the switch out the sear for an auto sear.  Or rebuild a semi sear into an auto sear, which isn't exactly easy.

    •  They can get attachments to the stock (2+ / 0-)
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      that allow them to bump fire, which is essentially the same thing as automatic.

      The gun nuts here try to confuse people by saying the weapons are not actually automatic, but the truth is that with the attachment they are basically if not technically automatic.

      This is an example of bump fire, you can see that it is essentially the same as automatic, and 100% legal for any gun enthusiast. No special permit needed.

      This is one of my biggest problems with the RKBA crowd here, they are completely misleading and dishonest about this stuff.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 11:38:55 AM PDT

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      •  Still Has To Pull The Trigger nt (0+ / 0-)

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 02:12:04 PM PDT

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      •  That ridiculous toy works by (1+ / 0-)

        moving the trigger into your finger.  the reason it is not considered automatic is that the trigger must be pulled every time a round is fired.  
        not that "I was using it to stand up and it fired a burst" makes the least bit of sense, but the fact that they were charging him with having an illegal machine gun (ie, more than one bullet per trigger pull) means that your bringing up that useless bump-fire range toy is at best partially

        misleading and dishonest about this stuff.
        but hey, why waste an opportunity to flame a bunch of Democratic activists that don't pass your purity test?
        •  Yep, just what I expected more bullshit out of (0+ / 0-)

          this crowd. The video speaks for itself on rate of fire.

          All you have to do is pull the trigger and hold it, that's exactly the same as automatic fire. The stock attachment causes the repeated trigger pulls. The only difference is in the mechanism. Of course you know this, but mislead on automatic verse bump fire.

          "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

          by ranger995 on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 02:24:13 PM PDT

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          •  I really shouldn't have bothered. (0+ / 0-)

            for anyone else reading this, bump fire is NOT automatic fire.  it is even MORE USELESS.  the only reason to have one of these things is that they freak out people like ranger995.  

            in the context of this diary, it is hard to imagine a bump fire stock firing a "burst" in the manner described.  this guy was clearly negligent, and should be charged.

            venting your dislike of guns and their owners is a distraction from the conversation.  

          •  see my comment above yours a few lines up. (0+ / 0-)

            Explaining the mechanics of bump fire and how it's not going to work braced against the floor.

            Also, see my description for how a busted/out of spec trigger assembly can cause a rifle to fire with no pressure anywhere, randomly without warning.

    •  what was added to you comment by insulting your (0+ / 0-)

      fellow Kossacks? were it not for the pointless name calling, I would have liked to rec your comment.

  •  "Guns as crutches" will really help sales (6+ / 0-)

    great idea!

    not only for shooting people & stuff, but a handy walking aid.

    this could really open up that senior market that is currently insufficiently saturated w/ assault rifles.

    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

    by mightymouse on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 06:32:09 AM PDT

  •  I keep saying guns are tools, not toys (3+ / 0-)

    this was not the kind of tool I had in mind.

    When an entire culture sees guns as toys, people do not give them due respect, and people die.

    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

    by coquiero on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 06:36:24 AM PDT

  •  The gun shot up ? (7+ / 0-)
    fired a burst through the ceiling and killed a little girl upstairs, court records show.
    If he was using it as a crutch , the barrel should have been in his armpit .
    An assault rifle isn't long enough to be used as a crutch except for the smallest of people .

    This is another one of those shooting "explanations" that just doesn't make any sense .
    No one could be so stupid as to use a gun as a crutch .
    No one could be so stupid as to use a rifle upside down as a crutch .
    No one could be so stupid as to do these things with a loaded gun .
    No one could be so stupid as to do these things with a loaded gun with a chambered round .
    No one could be so stupid as to do these things with a loaded gun with a chambered round and the safety off .

    Alysa Bobbitt dead and Karen Hancock wounded .

    Unless there is really iron clad proof otherwise ,
    I'm thinking it was intentional .

    The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

    by indycam on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 08:52:43 AM PDT

    •  Hundreds of millions of guns. One of them is... (1+ / 0-)
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      bound to be used in such a stupid manner at some point.

      Just like I use the corner of our coffee table as a 'crutch' when standing up from the couch, this asshat grabbed the barrel of his gun and leaned forward, putting pressure on the butt.

      I'd bet there are at least a few hundred people around the country who use their weapon in such a manner. Even if only 1% of them leaves the gun loaded (intentionally or otherwise), there's bound to be a mistaken shooting eventually.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Sun Jul 14, 2013 at 01:52:56 PM PDT

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