Skip to main content

More GOP inspired nonsense.  I thought they hated frivolous lawsuits.

West Virginia dealer

  Joe Holland, owner of Joe Mr. Holland Chevrolet in Charleston last month attracted national publicity for challenging new federal laws requiring his company to provide insurance coverage for contraceptives taken after sex.

But his legal team recently discovered a problem: Mr. Holland's insurer has already been covering the drugs as a part of the health benefits he offers to his car dealership's employees.

 Mr. Holland isn't happy that his insurer covers the drugs, but he doesn't have much of a choice. Mr. Dys said the dealer wasn't able to find an insurer that allowed employers to be selective in what types of contraceptives they cover.
After all that noise about about Obama forcing contraceptive coverage upon employers, it turns out many insurance companies were already doing so.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Hahahahaha- the fail! (15+ / 0-)

    Just like the time during the 08 election when the GOP found out their own insurance policy covered abortion!

  •  What does GM have to say? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Short Bus, Linda1961, ER Doc

    Doesn't GM have any standards at all for dealerships, and how they treat employees?

    •  Nope. Dealerships are franchises and GM (7+ / 0-)

      has zero say about pay and benefits. This is totally up to the dealer. GM cares more about the color of the dealership's exterior than it does about how the employees are treated.

      "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

      by voracious on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 01:20:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The primary function of the middleman is to (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Egalitare, Short Bus, a2nite

      evade responsibility. That's what delegation is about. Delegation is designed to sever the link between the primary agent and the result. Think of it from the perspective of the buyer of a car. Whom does he hold responsible, the dealer or the manufacturer, when the car performs like a lemon?
      Now consider that in North Carolina the legislature wants to make it illegal for a car maker to contract directly with a buyer, as Tesla is proposing to do. Why would the legislature aim to do that, other than to insure that some instate dealers get a cut of the action? Legislating preferences for local enterprise is part of it; maintaining the principle of delegation is major -- important enough to reveal the legislative role in setting up business monopolies.
      While I am not keen on the word "consumer," as in "consumer protection," and "buyer protection" or "end user protection" might be better, there is no question that the interests of the persons at the end of commercial transactions have historically gotten short shrift. Remember "buyer beware?" That used to be gospel, the commercial equivalent of blaming the victim to evade the responsibility that comes with acting.

      Free will is great as long as it only refers to what we want. When it results in being accountable for our actions, not so much. Ambivalence, thy name is man.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 03:52:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hatred of the Democratic Party (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Rosalie907, Calamity Jean, Short Bus

    liberals, gay people, the poor, the sick, the elderly, foreigners, women, and Barack Obama personally first, research second.

    No Movement Conservative has ever suffered a career setback by not knowing what the hell they are talking about when they rant and rave about the people they hate among other Movement Conservatives.

    The problem is, once you get outside of Movement Conservatism, the rules are profoundly different. You can be made to look like a fool, for example. Debating a cardboard cut-out of Elizabeth Warren or Barney Frank doesn't prepare you for the real deal.

    Yell first, know what you are talking about second.

    I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

    by LeftHandedMan on Fri Jul 26, 2013 at 10:52:04 PM PDT

  •  It will be interesting to see (4+ / 0-)

    How these people who do not buy into the insurance are going to feel if they need the services of a hospital stay.  Lets see how they feel about Obamacare when they receive a $50,000 bill to reset their broken leg.

    As for this idiot dealer, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to see the look on his face when he found out his insurance company covered the cost of the contraceptives.  Of course, he probably didn't mind  covering his Viagra.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 12:15:34 AM PDT

    •  They will buy into the insurance and love it (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Short Bus, Jojos Mojo

      and still believe that Obamacare sucks.

      These people are not smart.

      "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

      by voracious on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 01:21:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I don't know about that (0+ / 0-)

        They would rather go without the insurance than to give into Obama and do the right thing.  I'm sure you'll see many of them believing their Republicon members of Congress and their hatred of Obama will prevent them from getting the insurance.  In other words, they would rather cut off their nose to spite their face.  I also am sure that if they get that $50,000 hospital bill they'll also blame Obama.

        Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

        by Rosalie907 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 12:09:58 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I have lost count of the number of wingers who (0+ / 0-)

          apply for benefits because "they pay taxes and everyone else who gets it is a welfare mooch." The perfect example of this is a co-worker who qualified for nutrition assistance (WIC) even though he was working full time and his wife was a stay at home mom. He totally justified collecting that benefit because he works and pays taxes. At the same time he totally refused to see my point that it is possible EVERYONE on that program is in the same situation as him. As far as he was concerned, he was the first legitimate claim they ever had.

          I suspect this will be the same deep thinking that goes into Obamacare with these people.

          "Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.” --Lord Vetinari

          by voracious on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 02:34:43 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  When I hear stories like this (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            voracious

            I want to smack these people in the head.  They probably even make comments about "those others" getting the same benefits that they get.

            Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

            by Rosalie907 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 06:16:46 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  I'd wager that someone will end up (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        nocynicism, voracious

        claiming that their ACA or state exchange private insurance is WAAAY better than Obamacare.

        I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

        by beemerr90s on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 12:47:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I think women should boycott (6+ / 0-)

    this dealership.

    And any other f***ing place that tries to interfere with our reproductive decisions.

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 12:17:01 AM PDT

  •  Well, if he weren't paying for something he (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Short Bus, a2nite

    doesn't want to pay for, he'd have no standing to sue. At least now he's got a measurable material deprivation to complain about.
    Philosophically, I am opposed to these triangulations in which one body requires another body to do something to or for a third. The middleman, whether coerced or voluntary evades responsibility for what is done, and so does the initiator. The third party has no real recourse when what is done is not done well or is even injurious.
    It's bad enough that insurers, who provide no goods or services, are officially inserted into the doctor/patient relationship to take a cut for themselves. That their role mirrors that of the bankers doesn't make it any better.
    Why do we do it? Why do we let middlemen take a cut of every dollar spent on public services? Tradition. The bankers have been taking a cut ever since the Dutch got their hands on the all the gold Spain and Portugal stole from the Americas and, having secured it in their vaults, started issuing interest-bearing letters of credit instead. The U.S. Constitution tried to abrogate that practice by lodging the responsibility for managing the currency, along with other weights and measures, with the Congress. However, in 1913, the Congress formally ceded its obligation to interests of banksters by setting up the Federal Reserve, through which every dollar gets washed before it is spent for public purposes.
    If the banksters are in charge on Capitol Hill, it's only because Congress has set them up as guard dogs to protect them from the torches and pitch forks.

    The irony of Willard's reference to "who let the dogs out" probably escaped him.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 03:31:30 AM PDT

  •  There is so much FAIL in that ... (5+ / 0-)

    ... article, so much abuse of religion to try to score cheap political points, that the natural comparison between Tea Party politics and bad car salesmen seems like the least funny of the conclusions.

    On another note, if your team of attorneys cannot read an insurance policy, then perhaps you need a new team of attorneys. Thanks for posting!

     

    I would tip you, but the man took away my tips.

    by Tortmaster on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 03:51:25 AM PDT

    •  They had probably never seen it. (0+ / 0-)

      Or didn't know that their client had this dumb-ass unspoken requirement.  I suspect the FAIL lies primarily with the winger car dealer.

      I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

      by beemerr90s on Sat Jul 27, 2013 at 12:50:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Sanctions? (4+ / 0-)

    Filing a lawsuit where you can't show harm -- and filing before your legal team has even read your existing policy -- sounds pretty frivolous to me. I hope they get hit with some sanctions, at least having to cough up costs and attorneys' fees for the Motion to Dismiss.

    The guy can still go on talk radio and FOX and rant, since that doesn't require verifiable facts; just stay out of the courtroom.

  •  The article was a bit short (0+ / 0-)

    so it wasn't really clear if he's now (also?) suing himself?

    to be consistent and non-hypocritical, that seems like something he must do

  •  Even Catholic organizations have (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite, beemerr90s, nocynicism

    contraception that you can get as a secondary.  You fill out a request for this and they put it in as optional.  The hatred of Obamacare is an empty suit that has been ginned up by the lobby industry for their own pocketbooks.  For congress to go along with this scheme, is nothing more than treason.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site