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Joe Coscarelli writes on the Tuesday acquittal of Bradley Manning on a charge of "aiding the enemy" and his conviction on 19 counts of espionage:

Three years after he was first charged with leaking classified government material, following eight weeks of testimony and three days of deliberation, a military judge found Bradley Manning not guilty today of "aiding the enemy," a capital offense, but guilty of nineteen lesser counts for violating the Espionage Act. Despite the surprising outcome—even his most ardent supporters were pessimistic—Manning could still face more than 100 years in prison during a sentencing phase that will include more witnesses for both sides and could take weeks. Manning's fate was decided by Col. Denise Lind in a court martial after he waived his right to a jury trial.

The 25-year-old soldier and WikiLeaks associate had previously agreed to plead guilty to 10 of the 22 charges, which carry up to twenty years in prison, but the government pushed forward with the "aiding the enemy" case anyway, arguing that some of the 700,000 documents he leaked were obtained by Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. (A full breakdown of the charges is here.) According to the prosecution, "He was not a whistleblower; he was a traitor."

In an earlier version of the Washington Post story about the case, this paragraph, now heavily edited, appeared:

The government relied on a case from the Civil War to bring the charge: In that trial, a Union Army private, Henry Vanderwater, was found guilty of aiding the enemy when he leaked a Union roster to an Alexandria newspaper. Vanderwater received a sentence of three months hard labor and was dishonorably discharged.
In a post-conviction comment, CitizenOfEarth gave us a different bill of particulars:

Leaked Documents Summary:

1. There is an official policy to ignore torture in Iraq.
2. There is an official tally of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.
3. Guantanamo prison has held mostly innocent people and low-level operatives.
4. The State Department authorized the theft of the UN Secretary General’s DNA.
5. The U.S. Government withheld information about the indiscriminate killing of Reuters journalists and innocent Iraqi civilians.
6. The State Department backed corporate opposition to a Haitian minimum wage law.
7. The U.S. Government had long been faking its public support for Tunisian President Ben Ali.
8. U.S. officials were told to cover up evidence of child abuse by contractors in Afghanistan.
9. The Japanese and U.S. Governments had been warned about the seismic threat at Fukushima.
10. The Obama Administration allowed Yemen’s President to cover up a secret U.S. drone bombing campaign.
11. Known Egyptian torturers received training from the FBI in Quantico, Virginia.

There's another list here.

Bradley Manning, 25, could obviously spend the rest of his life in prison if the sentencing is hard-nosed.

Meanwhile, still free to roam the streets, take their book tours and collect their 5- and 6-digit speaking fees, is the cabal of scorpions that rationalized torture which they claimed was not torture, secretly rendered people off the streets of U.S. allies and secretly transported them to secret prisons in nations ruled by dictatorial regimes, fabricated evidence to take us into Iraq, where thousands of Americans and tens if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died in the conflict, conjured up a hell-hole at Guantánamo Bay, a place the attorneys created to be jurisdictionless—not quite the U.S., not quite Cuba—and thus free from both American and international law.

No slam time for them. Not even an appearance before a truth and reconciliation commission. Not one minute of public penance or penitence.

Bradley Manning versus Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice and George Bush. A true tale of American justice.


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2010Building a better people trap...:

Like it or not, America post World War II was redesigned as a country for cars first, people second. We can all hope that will change and push for legislation that favors more variable use communities, better public transport, and urban renewal, but for many years to come there's going to be a need to shuffle people down the highway on a regular basis in areas where mass transportation is inadequate.

So we better look at ways to do it more efficiently -- ways that do as much as possible to prevent repeats of the big disaster we're all still dealing with... the war in Iraq. Oh, and also that godawful mess from BP.

This week there was some news on a couple of fronts when it comes to replacing our current generation of automobiles with something that slurps up less petroleum.


Tweet of the Day:

Federal Pipeline Safety Agency Fails to Inspect 80% of Pipelines http://t.co/... @PEERorg @OccupyWallSt @earthjustice @NRDC #ecowatch
@EcoWatch



On today's Kagro in the Morning show, a Greg Dworkin "death and dying" themed round-up! From Scott Simon's running Twitter commentary from his mother's hospital bedside, to the Inca "Ice Maiden" mummy. JPMorgan Chase fills the energy market fraud gap left behind by Enron. Richmond, CA prepares to deploy a new weapon in the foreclosure crisis, this time on behalf of actual people. Wrapping up: Sharia crayons! NC's governor clueless on voter suppression, and Judd Gregg blames majority rule for Senate gridlock. Finally, in a surprise appearance, Armando drops by to tease an upcoming interview for next week.


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  •  Senator McCain – Rehabilitating the Unredeemable (20+ / 0-)

    Excerpt:

    There is no rehabilitation for the man who was touched by torture elsewhere but who would not pursue its practitioners here. The man who was tinged by corruption earlier but who would not complete campaign finance reform later. The man who’s son graduated from the United States Naval Academy but who would deny other patriotic sons – soldiers – their own higher education. The man who married his own personal stimulus program but who would see those in the middle class deprived of even the most meager one of their own. The man who knows the horror of war but who would have it as his default foreign policy position.

    There is no rehabilitation for the man who once scorned “agents of intolerance” only to invite one of intolerance’s most hideous agents to lead a nation with him.

    ARTICLE: Senator McCain – Rehabilitating the Unredeemable

    ~ truth through reason ~ humanistcafe.wordpress.com

    by heycoachb on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:33:07 PM PDT

    •  Bud Day died (16+ / 1-)

      He was one of the sniveling cowards who swift-boated John Kerry in 2004. He was also a virulent anti-Muslim bigot on top of everything else, indicting an entire religion based on the actions of a small group of extremists.

      Nice chap that Bud Day.

      Too bad he couldn't have been as gracious in life with his gratitude towards all those that served.

      Sen. McCain Honors Vietnam War Cellmate

      http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:53:44 PM PDT

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      •  The man is dead, (1+ / 0-)
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        If you don't feel as if you criticized him enough before he died, you should just live with it.

      •  Well, you're a disgusting little bit of pond scum (1+ / 2-)
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        Bud Day died
        He was one of the sniveling cowards who swift-boated John Kerry in 2004.
        Let's read a bit about that sniveling coward...  http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
        George E. “Bud” Day, an Air Force fighter pilot who received the Medal of Honor for his valor during 51 / 2 years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam

        Col. Day was described in news accounts as one of the most highly honored military officers in U.S. history. In addition to the Medal of Honor, he received some 70 military decorations, including the Air Force Cross, the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross and multiple awards of the Bronze Star Medal, the Purple Heart and the Air Medal.

        On Aug. 26, 1967, he was a 42-year-old Air Force major and father of four when his supersonic jet fighter came under fire over North Vietnam. Forced to eject, he suffered a broken arm, a knee injury and the loss of sight in one eye. He was swiftly captured, he recalled years later, by adversaries including a teenager armed with a rusty gun.

        “I hit the ground real hard,” Col. Day once said, “and when I woke up, they had me.”

        After interrogation and torture that included a mock execution and suspension from his feet, Col. Day enticed the guards to “relax their vigilance,” according to his Medal of Honor citation. He escaped his captors and began making his way toward South Vietnam, sustaining himself on little more than berries and uncooked frogs. At one point, he was wounded again by shrapnel.

        Despite his injuries, Col. Day arrived at the demilitarized zone. After wandering for a number of days — a consequence of delirium — he spotted helicopters that were evacuating U.S. Marines. He arrived at the landing area just after the helicopters took off, according to an account in the book “Medal of Honor: Portraits of Valor Beyond the Call of Duty.” The next day, he was recaptured by the enemy in an ambush.

        The Medal of Honor citation described Col. Day as “totally debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself” and credited him with answering interrogation questions with false information. He spent five years and nearly seven months in North Vietnamese prisons including Hoa Lo — more commonly known as the Hanoi Hilton — and one dubbed the Plantation.

        when armed guards barged in on the inmates during an illegal religious observance, Col. Day led prisoners including Stockdale in singing the national anthem.

        Perhaps you would care to tell us why you think Bud Day was a coward?

        Or maybe you can tell us how you think you would match up against him.  I seriously doubt you are fit to scrape dog shit off his shoes.

        •  Just demonstrates the old adage... (1+ / 0-)
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          ..."A lifetime of good deeds overthrown by one bad act."

          In general, I'm unimpressed by bravery.  Yes, it is often associated with selfless acts toward others, but it is in reality a "neutral" attribute.  For every brave act by a "good guy," I can come up with epic bravery by an evil person.  American popular culture doesn't do a very good job at revealing this fundamental truth: the bad can be brave.  The bad can be smart.  Beauty can hide evil intent.  This may or may not have relevance to Col. Day.

          The swiftboating of Kerry was a bad act.  The promotion of religious hatred is a bad act.  Are these things enough to overthrow the good he had done in life?  I don't know, I am not Minos, I don't sit in judgment on souls in the afterlife.

          Tell me what to write. tellmewhattowrite.com 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

          by rbird on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:24:12 AM PDT

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          •  Uh... no, not at all (0+ / 0-)
            ..."A lifetime of good deeds overthrown by one bad act."
            Bud Day's political disagreements with us have no bearing on his heroism and the respect he is due for it.
            In general, I'm unimpressed by bravery.
            I am not surprised.
            •  Hey genius (2+ / 0-)
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              What's with the HRs above?

              They aren't supposed to be used for disagreement.

              Control yourself.




              Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

              by DeadHead on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 04:33:50 AM PDT

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            •  His heroism was survival, nothing more (2+ / 0-)
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              He went willingly to war, on the glamorous side. After dropping naplam on a few thousand "gooks" he'd go home at night to a nice dinner and a few drinks with the boys. Then he got shot down and did what most would do - try to survive.
              Other than surviving horrible conditions, what did he do that was so heroic?

              Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

              by MA Liberal on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 05:24:19 AM PDT

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              •  How about this? (0+ / 0-)
                The Medal of Honor citation described Col. Day as “totally debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself” and credited him with answering interrogation questions with false information.
                Or this?
                when armed guards barged in on the inmates during an illegal religious observance, Col. Day led prisoners including Stockdale in singing the national anthem.
                •  Didn't the Swiftboaters (1+ / 0-)
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                  make fun of Kerry's military service--didn't they call it into question--and wasn't it implication after implication?

                  If I recall correctly--- they also claimed any honors or recognition he received were purchased-----paid for---and that his record of miltary service was a lie?

                  So Day's military record and service are not to be questioned--- but---it was alright for the group this man belonged to---to cast doubt on  Kerry's record and service?

                  Double standard much?

                  Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

                  by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:04:46 AM PDT

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                  •  Feel free to question Day's military service... (0+ / 1-)
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                    Do you have any specific allegations?

                    There is no question that at least some of Kerry's claims were incorrect or embellished.  In particular, he himself walked back his Christmas in Cambodia claim.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                    One chapter of SBVT's Unfit for Command questioned Kerry's statements that he was in Cambodia during the war. Kerry did not claim to have been sent on a covert mission to Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Rather, he believed at the time he had crossed the border while on a patrol near the border, during which the boats were ambushed and later came under friendly fire from South Vietnamese soldiers.[45][65] None of Kerry's crewmates confirmed being sent to Cambodia. One of Kerry's crewmen, SBVT member Steven Gardner,[66] asserted that it was physically impossible to cross the Cambodian border, as it was blocked and patrolled by PBRs (a type of patrol boat);[67] however, Kerry's boat was evidently patrolling with PBRs during the mission in question.[68] Some crewmembers have, moreover, stated that they may at some point have entered Cambodia without knowing it. James Wasser, who was on PCF-44 on that December mission, while saying that he believed they were "very, very close" to Cambodia, did not recall actually crossing over; he also stated that it was very hard to tell their exact position in the border area. Kerry's own journal entry on this, written the night of the mission, does not specifically say they entered Cambodia. However, it does state that PCF-44 was somewhere "toward Cambodia" to provide cover for two smaller patrol boats, and in sarcasm, that he considered messaging Christmas greetings to his commanders "from the most inland Market Time unit" and that a court martial for the incident "would make sense"[68] In addition, George Elliott noted in Kerry's fitness report that he had been in an ambush during the 24 hour Christmas truce, which began on Christmas Eve.[69]

                    Michael Meehan, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign, responded to SBVT's charges with a statement that Kerry was referring to a period when Nixon had been president-elect and before he was inaugurated. Meehan went on to state that Kerry had been "deep in enemy waters" between Vietnam and Cambodia and that his boat came under fire at the Cambodian border. Meehan also said that Kerry did covertly cross over into Cambodia to drop off special operations forces on a later occasion, but that there was no paperwork for such missions and he could not supply dates.[70]

                    Based on examination of Kerry's journals and logbook, historian Douglas Brinkley placed the covert missions soon after Christmas. In an interview with the London Daily Telegraph, Brinkley stated that Kerry had gone into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions, dropping off U.S. Seals, Green Berets, and CIA operatives. Brinkley added, "He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell. Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative. In a part of his journals which I didn't use he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off."[71][72]

                    In an interview with Tim Russert on "Meet the Press," Kerry corrected his 1979 statement about being "five miles across the border" on Christmas Eve, but reiterated that he was on a patrol at the border at that date and had been sent on a covert mission at a later date.[73]

                    •  Oh... and I almost forgot this... (0+ / 1-)
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                      http://www.usnews.com/...

                      in 1979 Kerry wrote in a letter to the editor to The Boston Herald saying, 'I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies, who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real.'
                      In case you have forgotten such ancient history, Nixon was sworn in in 1969.
                      •  And you know this is accurate because............. (0+ / 0-)

                        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

                        by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 07:13:16 AM PDT

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                        •  The Boston Herald letter is amply documented (0+ / 1-)
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                          and even referenced on Daily Kos:
                          http://www.dailykos.com/....

                          As for the date that Nixon became president, well, perhaps you need to read up on some history.

                          •  Snopes is even better documented, (0+ / 0-)

                            you f-ing liar.

                            Right Wing Swift-Boat Liars:

                            http://www.snopes.com/...

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 04:12:00 PM PDT

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                          •  Snopes has nothing on the letter to the Herald and (0+ / 0-)

                            seems to take the position that some of the accusations against Kerry are true - status is "multiple".

                            So what is the point of your cite?

                          •  Snopes just proved that your "sources" (1+ / 0-)
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                            are full of shit. Of course, I knew that all along.

                            Thanks for playing, Biff.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 09:27:51 PM PDT

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                          •  My source I cited was US News and World Report (0+ / 0-)

                            Where did they prove that was shit?

                          •  Bud Day was piece of shit liar and a raging bigot (3+ / 0-)
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                            And as a former Marine, if I ever run across his grave site I'm going to piss on it.

                            Here are just some of the right wing Swift Boat lies about Kerry, that were debunked long ago:

                            ◾In the first Swift Boat ad, then-Clackamas County (Oregon) senior deputy district attorney Alfred J. French announced: "I served with John Kerry. ... He is lying about his record." In preparation for the ad, French signed a sworn affidavit for the Swift Boat Veterans asserting that Kerry had received his Purple Heart "from negligently self-inflicted wounds in the absence of hostile fire." A fundamental requirement of any affidavit is that the person signing it must have personal knowledge of the matters involved. The affidavit French signed declared, "I do hereby swear, that all facts and statements contained in this affidavit are true and correct and within my personal knowledge and belief" (emphasis added).

                            But in an interview with The Oregonian, French freely admitted he had no firsthand knowledge of the events surrounding Kerry's medals and that his information came secondhand from "friends."

                            ◾George Elliott was Kerry's former commanding officer in Vietnam and, in early 2004, told USA Today he had no qualms about Kerry's actions that earned him the Silver Star in Vietnam. "This was an exemplary action," he said. "There's no question about."

                            Elliott then flip-flopped and claimed in the Swift Boat ad that "John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."

                            Elliott then flip-flopped again when, just days after the first Swift Boat ad aired, he confessed to The Boston Globe that his involvement in the Kerry attack was "a terrible mistake" and said, "I'm the one in trouble here. ... I knew it was wrong. ... In a hurry I signed [an affidavit] and faxed it back. That was a mistake."

                            But Elliott flip-flopped yet again -- days later, he announced that he stood by claims that Kerry "had not been honest" about Vietnam.

                            ◾Dr. Louis Letson appeared in the first Swift Boat commercial and announced, "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart, because I treated him for that injury." In another affidavit, Letson claimed Kerry's wound was too small to justify a medal.

                            But Navy guidelines during the Vietnam War for Purple Hearts did not take into account the size of the wound when awarding the honor, which meant Letson's claim was irrelevant. Also, Kerry's medical records indicate Letson did not sign off as the "person administering treatment" on the night of the injury, which raised doubts about whether Letson ever even treated Kerry.

                            ◾During the 2004 campaign, retired Cmdr. Adrian Lonsdale claimed that Kerry "lacks the capacity to lead." But during Kerry's 1996 Senate race, according to reports from ABC News and the Air Force Times, Lonsdale lauded Kerry's bravery during Vietnam: "It was because of the bravery and the courage of the young officers that ran boats ... the swift boats and the Coast Guard cutters, and Senator Kerry was no exception."

                            Also in 1996, Lonsdale explained to reporters that Vietnam War medals were only awarded if battle events were corroborated by others. His explanation completely contradicted later claims by the Swift Boat Veterans that Kerry won his awards only because he was able to write up false reports and fool his commanders.

                            ◾Navy Lt. Larry Thurlow commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry's in Vietnam. As late as April 2004, Thurlow told USA Today that Kerry "was extremely brave, and I wouldn't argue that point."

                            By August, though, Thurlow had publicly disputed Kerry's Bronze Star and third Purple Heart, won during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Thurlow claimed Kerry's award was a fraud. Thurlow signed a sworn affidavit for the Swift Boat Veterans stating that Kerry was "not under fire" when he pulled Lt. James Rassmann out of the water that day. He described Kerry's Bronze Star citation, which stated that all units involved came under "small arms and automatic weapons fire," as "totally fabricated." The Swift Boat Veterans also accused Kerry of "fleeing the scene."

                            But when The Washington Post got a hold of the citation for a Bronze Star that Thurlow won that very same day for actions on a boat that was right alongside Kerry's, the citation detailed how both his boat and Kerry's boat faced "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire." Asked for a response, Thurlow still insisted there had been no enemy fire that day. If true, that meant Thurlow knowingly accepted a Bronze Star that he did not deserve since he did not face enemy fire.

                            ◾Upset by what he was hearing about the Swift Boat allegations regarding Kerry's Bronze Star, and that he did not deserve it because he was not under enemy fire, Jim Russell, a witness to the event, wrote to The Daily Planet of Telluride, Colorado, to dispute the Swift Boat Veterans' claims: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago [is] John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach."

                            ◾Like Thurlow, Swift Boat leader and Unfit for Command co-author John O'Neill was emphatic that Kerry didn't deserve his Bronze Star medal for saving Rassmann out of the Bay Hap River because Kerry wasn't under enemy fire. As proof, O'Neill told Fox News, "There's not a bullet hole in any of those three boats, not one." In fact, a report on the battle damage to a boat that motored upriver alongside Kerry's on March 13, 1969, made reference to "three 30 cal bullet holes about super structure."

                            During an August 11, 2004, appearance on CNN, O'Neill insisted, "[T]he people in our organization have no partisan ties." Nine days later, the Swift Boat Veterans unveiled a new commercial featuring Vietnam veteran Ken Cordier, who served at the time as a member of the Bush-Cheney '04 National Veterans Steering Committee. Cordier had also been selected to serve on the Bush administration's POW Advisory Committee.

                            Five days after that, it was revealed that Benjamin Ginsburg, a legal adviser to the Bush-Cheney campaign, had also been advising the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

                            ◾Kerry's former commander, retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann told The Boston Globe in June 2003 that Kerry's Silver Star was the product of "guts" and that he "admire[d] that." The next year though, Hoffman helped form the Swift Boat Veterans group.

                            According to a May 6, 2004, article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the former commander "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally." The next month, Hoffmann reiterated, "I did not know Kerry personally. I didn't ride the boat with him."

                            http://mediamatters.org/...

                            http://mediamatters.org/...

                            http://mediamatters.org/...

                            http://mediamatters.org/...

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 09:48:01 PM PDT

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                          •  Nothing here is in any way responsive to the (0+ / 0-)

                            specific Kerry quote I cited.

                            http://www.usnews.com/...

                            in 1979 Kerry wrote in a letter to the editor to The Boston Herald saying, 'I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies, who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real.'
                            Is US News & World Report lying?

                            Did Nixon somehow become president before 1969 and then excise it from all the history books?

                            There seems to be no question that Kerry at minimum made mis-statements about his service and entering Cambodia.

                          •  Every thing the swift boat liars said was bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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                            And Bud Day was a piece of shit:

                            http://www.nytimes.com/...

                            Go back to Redstate, you assclown.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 11:42:06 AM PDT

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                          •  I seriously doubt you are fit to wipe shit off (0+ / 0-)

                            Bud Day's shoes.

                            I read your NYT article.  It says nothing about the letter Kerry wrote to the Herald and makes no claim that he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968, at a time that Nixon was mysteriously president 25 days earlier than the history books record.

                          •  There's a reason why anyone with a half a brain (0+ / 0-)

                            (not Republican assclowns like you) uses the word "liars" anytime the swift-boaters are brought up nowadays. The only people who are still stupid enough to buy any of the bought and paid for right wing bullshit that the swift-boat clowns were peddling are the low IQ Teabagger members of the  Republican base (you).

                            I can't wait to piss on Bud Day's grave some day.

                            Media Matters for America has extensively documented the falsehoods and smears regarding Kerry's military record that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth spread in the six months leading up to the 2004 presidential election. For instance, Unfit for Command (Regnery, 2004), a book O'Neill co-authored, asserted that "Kerry was never in Cambodia during Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War" because "[a]reas closer than 55 miles from the Cambodian border in the area of the Mekong River were patrolled by PBRs, a small river patrol craft, and not by Swift Boats." However, as Media Matters noted, according to White House recordings, in 1971 O'Neill told President Richard Nixon that he himself had been in Cambodia and answered in the affirmative when Nixon asked if it had been on a swift boat.

                            Numerous major print outlets that reported on the withdrawal of Fox's nomination, including the Associated Press, The Washington Post, The New York Times, and the Los Angeles Times, failed to note that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign has been widely discredited. Three of these outlets described the group as "controversial," but did not offer the details of the "controversy" or note that the group's claims were repeatedly debunked:

                            http://mediamatters.org/...

                            And by the way, you drooling Teabagger assclown. You have no business being on this blog and I'm going to spend the next few days making sure that your troll ass gets banned from here permanently.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 08:42:22 PM PDT

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                          •  Again, nothing here is responsive to the (0+ / 0-)

                            particular issue I raised... which does not depend on anyone else's words but those of John Kerry himself (unless you think the Boston Herald faked his letter) and historical facts about when Richard Nixon became president.

                          •  Again, (0+ / 0-)

                            Everything that the swift boaters put out was bullshit. It was planned that way from the very beginning and it worked (Bush "won" reelection).

                            Hell, even some of the original swift boaters have admitted that they were purposely lying in 2004.

                            Unfortunately for everyone else, right wing stooges like you still can't seem to grasp that.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 10:57:38 PM PDT

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                          •  The Boston Herald is right wing crap (0+ / 0-)

                            And no, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they printed a fake letter in 2004.

                            And I already debunked your Cambodia nonsense, Biff.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Thu Aug 01, 2013 at 11:00:56 PM PDT

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                      •  Oh---and I almost forgot this.......... (1+ / 0-)
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                        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

                        by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 07:16:03 AM PDT

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                    •  Red State Much? (1+ / 0-)
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                      If you got it from wikipedia--damn---that's just gotta be the truth---right?

                      Bullshit.

                      Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

                      by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 07:12:16 AM PDT

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          •  But most certainly you can criticize him... (0+ / 0-)

            ...for those bad acts.  Since I am not Minos, it isn't my job to weigh the sins of the departed.

            Left that bit out.  Life would be so much easy here at DK if we had an "edit" button.

            Tell me what to write. tellmewhattowrite.com 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

            by rbird on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:45:10 AM PDT

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        •  He swiftboated a fellow soldier (1+ / 0-)
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          He lied. It was all pure bullshit. That man, who once might have been involved in heroic acts decided he'd take a fellow Vietnam soldier, also one who had been decorated (though not as high decorations) and LIE THROUGH HIS TEETH.
          He is not a man to be admired.
          And remember, he was a "fly-boy", one of those guys who went up in planes, among crystal skies, to drop bombs and napalm on children and villages he never saw. Then it was back to the base and to the "O Club" for drinks and dinner.
          Vietnam was just slightly less heinous than Iraq.
          And I'm getting sick of us making heroes of people who go to illegal wars and pretend they were advancing freedom there or protecting us here.
          Bud Day will answer to whatever higher power is out there. But I doubt he'll be getting medals.

          Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

          by MA Liberal on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 05:21:42 AM PDT

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          •  Apparently, he did not have a high opinion of that (0+ / 1-)
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            fellow soldier's service.

            I think he earned the right to make those judgments.  

            And I'm getting sick of us making heroes of people who go to illegal wars and pretend they were advancing freedom there or protecting us here.
            Heh... See if you can get that to be the official position of the Democratic Party, or even of Daily Kos.
            •  So that gives him the right to lie about (0+ / 0-)

              and smear him in public?

              Apparently, he did not have a high opinion of that fellow soldier's service.
              Take your Wikipedia (seriously?) and Right Wing Noise Machine (Boston Herald) sourced bullshit back to Redstate, you clown.

              Bud Day was a lying piece of crap and a bigot.

              ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

              by Jeff Y on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 12:13:52 PM PDT

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  •  No computer... (21+ / 0-)

    my old one died last night while I was defragging it, with a "read disc error" message. Argh. Current computer still in the shop. Technology and I have not been on good terms this week.

  •  rank privilege by the real traitors (26+ / 0-)
    Meanwhile, still free to roam the streets, take their book tours and collect their 5- and 6-digit speaking fees, is the cabal of scorpions that rationalized torture which they claimed was not torture, secretly rendered people off the streets of U.S. allies and secretly transported them to secret prisons in nations ruled by dictatorial regimes, fabricated evidence to take us into Iraq, where thousands of Americans and tens if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died in the conflict, conjured up a hell-hole at Guantánamo Bay, a place the attorneys created to be jurisdictionless—not quite the U.S., not quite Cuba—and thus free from both American and international law.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:35:53 PM PDT

    •  Yes, this admin has NO SHAME when it comes (17+ / 0-)

      to the "criminals" it chooses to target and pursue.

      Just like any corporatist regime, the financial and military elite get away with mass murder while those trying to expose them get thrown behind bars.

      After Bradley Manning, I don't give two shits about this President, his corrupt fascist administration or this fraudulent "Democratic" Party. I'll support a real Democrat, but they can shove the Republicrats right up their stinking ass.

      by Words In Action on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:39:26 PM PDT

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      •  WIA, love your (4+ / 0-)
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        new sig. Pretty much sums up what Obama has done to this country.
        Amazing.
        After so many worked their asses off to get him elected, he threw them all under the bus for his corporste friends.
        I never thought I would see anyone worse then Bush.
        Oh yes, we got a few nice things from him.
        But I wonder how the family members of those he murdered by drones from his Kill List feel?  
        The few civil liberties we had left after Bush are gone.
        Now we also have this secret TPP that even Congress does not know what is in it.
        More areas open for drilling.
        More secret prisons and bases being built in Countries we sre not at war with.
        And the Dems go along with the things that were wrong under Bush.
        And his supporters turn a blind eye to these things.
        Ok, pile on.
        I do not give a shit.

        Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names? SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

        by snoopydawg on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 12:11:04 AM PDT

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        •  Which civil liberties were still left after Bush? (0+ / 0-)

          Can you actually name them?  The 1st, 4th and 5th amendments were gutted under his Presidency.  I don't know which major federal civil rights were really left?

          However, I can name the civil liberties being taken away currently by the Republican Party at the state level: voting rights, reproductive rights and workers rights.

          Alas the 2nd amendment and 10th Amendments are safe so conservatives, libertarians and white males in general don't seem to mind.

          I don't see any of Obama's supporters turning a blind eye. Many did not turn up in 2010 as a protest to not jailing the Wall Street and Bush Era criminals. What did that give us the Tea Party radicals, who made neo-con era Republicans look almost quaint.  Unfortunately, in a two party system the only real  alternative to the Democratic Party is the Republican Party.  At this point most Americans are aware that the GOP are hell bent on destroying the economy and the country.  

          Obama and the Democrats are the only moderate alternative we have, despite their flaws.  Right now  Americans are worried about about bread and butter issues.  Feeding their families, paying for housing,  gaining access to healthcare, paying for education or just looking for gainful employment.

          Its hard to worry about Bradley Manning or even abstract rights such as internet privacy when you can't feed yourself.

          •  In other words (1+ / 0-)
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            these are exactly the kinds of conditions that allow for a smooth transition into a more formal authoritarian/fascist form of government. As long as I'm fed, I'll shut up and do what I'm told.

            Never be deceived that the rich will permit you to vote away their wealth. - Lucy Parsons

            by cruz on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 08:02:02 AM PDT

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        •  Pile on? Nope-I refuse to- (2+ / 0-)
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          If Manning receives any prison time as a result of his convictions, his sentence will stand in stark contrast to that of the servicemembers who have been involved in alleged U.S. war crimes. After the 2005 Haditha killings in Iraq, where 24 unarmed people died, the only marine to be tried received a reduction in rank and a pay cut.

          Widney Brown, senior director of international law and policy for Amnesty International, said in a statement that the aggressive prosecution of Manning showed the military's double standard on investigating incidents of its own misdeeds.

          "The government’s priorities are upside down," Brown said. "The U.S. government has refused to investigate credible allegations of torture and other crimes under international law despite overwhelming evidence. Yet they decided to prosecute Manning who it seems was trying to do the right thing – reveal credible evidence of unlawful behavior by the government."

          Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

          by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:12:00 AM PDT

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      •  It is a travesty- (0+ / 0-)

        Arguing that ever since Bradley Manning's arrest in 2010 "the government has perverted the values it claims to represent," David Gespass of the National Lawyers Guild powerfully condemns "the travesty" that was today's  conviction and its message: "Hypocrisy and criminality are rife in the United States government and, in its eyes, the worst criminals are those who expose such evils."

        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

        by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:09:38 AM PDT

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    •  of course (4+ / 0-)

      There is a story of Thoreau and his night in jail because he has an ethical problem with paying a tax.  He went to jail, because, though his cause was just, he knew that the rule of law required him to do so.  He presumable would have stayed in jail if his friend Emerson had not paid the tax.  I understand that some people believe they have an ethical responsibility to break the law, and the heroes are those who do so and then abide by the consequences.  What so many had an issue with was the treatment of an American citizen during detention, not the presumed time he would serve for his actions.  By focusing on the jail time, we are implicitly accepting the torture.

      That said, the basic corruption of the military has to also be acknowledged.  Constitutionally it barely is a valid institution, and unlike agencies such as the IRS, there has been no attempt to create amendments that would make them constitutional.  Though the military, unlike the civilian population, has no rights and is under the direct control of the president, there is so much fear of the military that no one is brave enough to call them on even basic issues, such as they allow rapists to enjoy the full benefit of the service.  So of course officers do not feel any connection to the rule of law.  Why else would so many of them feel free to disregard orders from their commander in chief.

      •  rest of the story (1+ / 0-)
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        Emerson asked Thoreau why he was sitting in jail . . . . Thoreau responded, "the better question is, why are you not in here with me?"

        "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

        by jlynne on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:56:13 PM PDT

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      •  When the government starts breaking the law... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...all bets are off.

        When the government punishes the whistleblowers, but not the war criminals, all bets are off.

        As recently as Watergate, both parties were willing to uphold the rule of law. That is no longer the case. Today, neither party does.

        And given a lawless government, a whistleblower does not have the same obligation to face the consequences that whistleblowers in the past might have.

        Barack Obama: From Nobel Laureate to excusing torture, to drone strikes, to violating the privacy of every person on earth. On the other hand, there's always Lily Ledbetter.

        by expatjourno on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:17:35 AM PDT

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        •  The path chosen- (1+ / 0-)
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          Esquire's Charles Pierce on the terrifying "logic of authoritarians...pursued so vigorously by a putatively democratic state."

          "There are two ways in which any government can seek to control security leaks. The first is by honesty and transparency, by allowing the public to know enough to make democratic decisions about how far is too far. That is the path that the United States, and this president, claims to follow. The second is by threatening draconian consequences to anyone who exposes questionable policies and practices to the light of day. That is the path the United States, and this administration, has chosen with the prosecution of Bradley Manning and others."

          Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

          by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:15:33 AM PDT

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    •  Poem about the Iraq war, from 1917 (4+ / 0-)
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      Anyone considering a dog for personal safety should treat that decision as seriously as they would buying a gun.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:21:54 PM PDT

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  •  This site is to be closed, immediately! (10+ / 0-)

    I'm shocked; shocked...to find that facts are being bandied about in here.
    Here are your diary recs, monsignor.
    Yes, thank you very much.

    Guess what I'm watching.

    Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

    by franklyn on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:37:02 PM PDT

  •  "cabal of scorpions" (15+ / 0-)

    Now that stung.....

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:37:33 PM PDT

  •  Perhaps on his record against whistleblowers (18+ / 0-)

    and journalists alone--and the massive underlying cover-up of government and MIC (corporate) wrong-doing--this administration has wounded this party deeply. Add to that its cover-up on Wall St and the Bush administration War crimes and its own war crimes... this administration has trashed not only itself, but the Party and the U.S. government.

    It has thrown 5 precious years of the world, five years toward harsher Climate Change impacts, onto the dungheap of 13 years in a failed new millennium.

    2014 is not going to be kind.

    After Bradley Manning, I don't give two shits about this President, his corrupt fascist administration or this fraudulent "Democratic" Party. I'll support a real Democrat, but they can shove the Republicrats right up their stinking ass.

    by Words In Action on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:37:33 PM PDT

    •  It's a zombie party (10+ / 0-)

      When I saw photographs of the luncheon anointing yesterday I felt disgust, actual disgust.

      I will continue to support good people who happen to run as Democrats, but no more of the Village. The system and both parties are broken, sick, toxic.

      Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. --Edward R. Murrow

      by chuckvw on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:46:40 PM PDT

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    •  I'm still voting Democratic (1+ / 0-)
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      Look what happened when most of us didn't in 2010.

      So they aren't pure of heart - how I wish they were!  They're better than that bunch of loons called the Republican Party.  Not by much sometimes, but enough to make a difference.  I certainly vote in primaries, and I vote for the most progressive choice, but my eyes are open and I see what the Republicans are, so I hold my nose and vote Democratic, even if the candidates aren't what I'd want them to be.

      Tell me what to write. tellmewhattowrite.com 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

      by rbird on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:51:29 AM PDT

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    •  Perverted the values- (0+ / 0-)

      Arguing that ever since Bradley Manning's arrest in 2010 "the government has perverted the values it claims to represent," David Gespass of the National Lawyers Guild powerfully condemns "the travesty" that was today's  conviction and its message: "Hypocrisy and criminality are rife in the United States government and, in its eyes, the worst criminals are those who expose such evils."

      Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

      by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:19:01 AM PDT

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  •  I just saw one of the 0.001% pass by in Admiralty (19+ / 0-)

    Inlet aboard what is known as a super yacht, as I watched with my spotting scope.  It was flying the flag of the Cayman Islands, the Invictus 213 feet long 43 feet wide. It looked like a miniature cruise ship.  

    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:43:31 PM PDT

  •  Another Senatorial vestige of the Old South passes (9+ / 0-)

    http://news.yahoo.com/...

    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Harry F. Byrd Jr., a 20th century champion of racial segregation and fiscal restraint who followed his father into the U.S. Senate but left his father's Democratic Party, died Tuesday. He was 98.

    Byrd, whose genteel demeanor masked thundering political clout, was the archetypal Southern senator during his 17 years in Washington. His 1983 retirement amounted to an epilogue for the "Byrd Machine" which once dominated Virginia politics from courthouses to the statehouse.

    His death was first reported by The Winchester Star, where his son, Tom Byrd, is president and publisher. There was no word on the cause of death.

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)

    by MTmofo on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:44:10 PM PDT

  •  Some things with wings... (16+ / 0-)







    have little to do with one another. Or do they?

    No one knows what it's like, To be the bad man, To be the sad man, behind blue eyes....

    by blueyedace2 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:44:39 PM PDT

  •  Sure glad Journalism isn't Treason... (25+ / 0-)

    Listen to The After Show & The Justice Department on Netroots Radio. Join us on The Porch Tue & Fri at Black Kos, all are welcome!

    by justiceputnam on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:46:07 PM PDT

  •  Chris Christie and Rand Paul (13+ / 0-)

    Continue to go Neener Neener

    That's a technical term.....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    Rand Paul: Chris Christie Is 'The King Of Bacon,' Not Serious About National Defense

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) fired the latest shot on Tuesday in an escalating feud with Chris Christie, calling the New Jersey Governor the "king of bacon," a reference to what Paul believes is a poor record on government spending.

    The comment came during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, during which Paul accused Christie of sucking up government funds for hurricane relief aid without pushing for offsets to expenditures like foreign aid. Paul also suggested that Christie was hurting the GOP by continuing to criticize Paul's positions on national security:

       It’s not helping the party for him to pick a war with me. It’s a big mistake. It’s not very smart. And it’s not a good way to grow the party. Why would he want to pick a fight with the one guy who has a chance to grow the party by appealing to the youth and appealing to people who would like to see a more moderate and less aggressive foreign policy?
    Paul's argument stems from a press conference earlier on Tuesday, during which Christie hit Paul for what he characterized as hypocrisy on the topic of Hurricane Sandy aid, and government spending more broadly:
       I find it interesting that Sen. Paul is accusing us of having a "Gimme, gimme, gimme" attitude toward federal spending when in fact New Jersey is a donor state and we get 61 cents back on every dollar we send to Washington. Interestingly, Kentucky gets $1.51 on every dollar they send to Washington.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:46:37 PM PDT

    •  A clash of egos. May it get epic. n/t (8+ / 0-)

      "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

      by sceptical observer on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:49:00 PM PDT

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    •  I'm loving this fight... (9+ / 0-)

      as anyone knows from my longstanding battles with Paul fans. Only time I'll cheer on Christie to hit back even harder. Paul really needs to be sent away whimpering with his tail between his legs. That he didn't lose any support among libertarians when the Southern Avenger news came out... all right, libertarians, fuck y'all. You all deserve to go down in flames.

    •  They're both clowns (6+ / 0-)

      I hope they both keep punching each other.

      I'm starting to think Christie is way overrated. His phony tough-guy act would start working against him in year and a half long presidential campaign.

      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:29:42 PM PDT

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      •  C.C. has to cheer-lead for the surveillance state (3+ / 0-)
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        He played it fast and loose with the Bill of Rights when it came to Cell Phone surveillance as a US Attorney

        http://thinkprogress.org/...

        As U.S. Attorney, Chris Christie Approved Warrantless Tracking Of Suspects Using Cell Phone GPS

        While serving as a U.S. attorney during the Bush administration, Christopher Christie, now a Republican candidate for Governor in New Jersey, tracked the whereabouts of citizens through their cell phones without warrants. The ACLU obtained the documents detailing the spying program from the Justice Department in an ongoing lawsuit over cell phone tracking.

        While the documents reveal 79 such cases on or after Sept. 12, 2001, they do not specify how many of the applications were made during Christie’s tenure. Christie served as U.S. attorney from Jan. 17, 2002 through November 2008. ACLU staff attorney Catherine Crump noted:

           Tracking the location of people’s cell phones reveals intimate details of their daily routines and is highly invasive of their privacy. The government is violating the Constitution when it fails to get a search warrant before tracking people this way.

        I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

        by JML9999 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:37:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  What a surprise! (1+ / 0-)
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          http://www.commondreams.org/...

          On last week's unholy alliance of Democrats and Republicans voting to continue the NSA's domestic surveillance programs:

           Turns out the legislators voting to keep the spying got 122% more money from private defense contractors - who get 70% of the $10-20 billion a year Congress kindly gives the NSA - than did those who voted to end it. Maplight has much more.

          Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

          by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:26:21 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  And the zombie lie continues (15+ / 0-)

    Manning was not a "Wikileak associate"; he was a Wikileak source no different than sources that leak to the New York Times, Washington Post, or Politico.  Oh wait. Those are "authorized leaks on background'.

    Framing to try to deny Wikileaks journalistic protection.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:49:48 PM PDT

    •  Without framing the real criminals would be naked. (5+ / 0-)

      They "framed" him to make themselves look like law enforcers... when they're the crooks who should spend the rest of their lives behind bars.

      After Bradley Manning, I don't give two shits about this President, his corrupt fascist administration or this fraudulent "Democratic" Party. I'll support a real Democrat, but they can shove the Republicrats right up their stinking ass.

      by Words In Action on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:38:05 PM PDT

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  •  Under the circumstances... (3+ / 0-)
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    I think Manning received the best he could have hoped for.

    The military justice system is, for the most part, a kangaroo court.  The fix was in before the trial ever started.

    It may be unfortunate (or not, depending on one's point of view) that Manning will spend a considerable portion of the rest of his life behind bars.  I am hopeful that as the years pass, and real truths about war crimes that transpired in Iraq and Afghanistan emerge, that Manning will be pardoned.

    As a veteran of a branch of the service that engaged in secret ops, I understand the damage from loose lips and paid-for informants.  Manning, however, doesn't and never did fit the John Walker profile.

    While I'm conflicted about the verdicts, I feel like the judge did the best hair splitting possible in an impossible situation.  The end result is that Bradley Manning will be free sooner than later.

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    by Richard Cranium on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:52:38 PM PDT

  •  This is so wrong.. (8+ / 0-)

    .. the absolutely mind bending wrong is actually trying to set a new precedent that Manning was "aiding the enemy" WTF.

    When I heard that I knew something is very very wrong with how this whole mess has played out. I don't know, but I hope to learn how that idea was even got floated at all.

    Sedition by proxy or something (?)

    ..but the government pushed forward with the "aiding the enemy" case anyway, arguing that some of the 700,000 documents he leaked were obtained by Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
    I just can't see how that could even happen today.

    I hope there are conscientious activists/lawyers out there somewhere who decide to pursue this. It can't be the end of it. Not with the near re-writing of what whistle blowing is.

    imo

    •  Another Republican caught cooking the books.. (7+ / 0-)

      ..so private school founder and wealthy GOP donor can continue siphoning off tax payer money away from public schools

      Indianapolis charter school run by a prominent Republican donor might receive a poor grade, Bennett's education team frantically overhauled his signature "A-F" school grading system to improve the school's marks.
      Christel Dehaan, founder of the private for profit  of ‘Christel House’ has given more than $2.8 million to Republicans since 1998, including $130,000to Bennett and thousands more to state legislative leaders.
      Indiana uses the A-F grades to determine which schools get taken over by the state and whether students seeking state-funded vouchers to attend private school need to first spend a year in public school. They also help determine how much state funding schools receive.
      This is the doing of Former Indiana and current Florida schools chief Tony Bennett who built his national star by promising to hold "failing" schools accountable.

      Accountable - yeah right..to whom?  Certainly not the children in need of an education. Once again the GOP proves their central tenet of free market competition and stated goal of eliminating “waste fraud & abuse” is bullshit.

      And the constantly repeated allegation that public schools can’t provide for the needs of future generations or compete with the excellence provided by a voucher system of private for profit schools is also a lie that actually harms children and public education.

       It’s all about profit . And making sure rich donors get a return on investment in their republican shills

      end of rant
      AP:   http://www.twincities.com/...

    •  Wrong path--period- (0+ / 0-)

      Esquire's Charles Pierce on the terrifying "logic of authoritarians...pursued so vigorously by a putatively democratic state."

      "There are two ways in which any government can seek to control security leaks. The first is by honesty and transparency, by allowing the public to know enough to make democratic decisions about how far is too far. That is the path that the United States, and this president, claims to follow. The second is by threatening draconian consequences to anyone who exposes questionable policies and practices to the light of day. That is the path the United States, and this administration, has chosen with the prosecution of Bradley Manning and others."

      Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

      by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:33:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's plain to see now (12+ / 0-)

    that if your conscience demands that you blow the whistle on government/military/corporate wrong doing, you will need a current passport and an escape route.

    Most truths are so naked that people feel sorry for them and cover them up, at least a little bit. --Edward R. Murrow

    by chuckvw on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:56:28 PM PDT

  •  WTH Daniel Horowitz @ RedState (6+ / 0-)

    Daniel Horowitz writing on the front page of RedState has this to say in his diary about defunding ACA.

    Why We Always Lose, and the Need for 21st Century Conservatives

    We have two choices: we can continue funding Obamacare, only to find ourselves discussing modest tweaks to the law in 10 years from now – not unlike the way we are forced to approach Medicare now.  Or we can end the cycle of big government by forcing a fight to the death over this cancer to our country before it take effect.  It is that simple.  There are no other options.
    What the hell Horowitz?!?!

    Words have meanings. Is that really want you wanted to say? I suppose you are talking about some proverbial 'cross to die on' for the Republican Party, but not only is that a false dilemma, it is reckless rhetoric at the extreme.

    WTH Horowitz, is 'forcing a fight to the death' really all you want to offer to the debate on heath care in America? You most assuredly did not offer and other alternatives.

    “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

    by se portland on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 08:59:19 PM PDT

    •  If the dude is talking strictly about party... (2+ / 0-)
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      politics, though, I think the only reasonable response may be: go for it.

      I'd love nothing more than to see his Party obsess over this for the next couple of years, while Americans become acquainted with the strange freedom to quit their job without being threatened with illness and death.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 02:07:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Are Koch brothers and others out to end democracy (11+ / 0-)

    is that their goal?

    Dirty Wars by Scahill describes how the neo cons were able to take decades of work and 9/11 and pull off a coup d'etat in the military and the intelligence arena

    they have been packing the courts for decades with people from the Federalist society of attorneys

    they are doing everything they can to block voting

    the Cold War was successfully morphed into the War on Terror and fear rules the land

    the essence of freedom is taken to be like the shopper with choices and this along with the chance to get filthy rich keeps people focused on the prize, not the commons

    so many people are just scraping by that they don't have time to understand politics and the economy

    institutions have been corrupted or taken over - education, etc.

    the commons is under attack from all quarters

    and we have seen that they don't care, they really don't care about people

    sad to say that politicians for the most part are bought and sold

    NSA has violated the constitution and the person who outed the crime is called a traitor

    how much longer will democracy survive?

    since democracy is about power, not freedom, we saw what happened to OWS

  •  You DO Not want to be Weiner's Comm. Dir. (4+ / 0-)

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    Tuesday was an angry day in Weinerland.

    The campaign staff awoke to see their former intern, Olivia Nuzzi, on the front cover of the Daily News. Inside the paper was an article bylined by Nuzzi in which she told a rather unflattering tale of her experience working on Anthony Weiner’s mayoral bid.

    Now, Team Weiner is firing back. TPM called Weiner’s communications director Barbara Morgan to discuss an unrelated story Tuesday and she went off on a curse-filled rant about Nuzzi, describing her as a fame hungry “b*tch” who “sucked” at her job. Morgan also called Nuzzi a “slutbag,” “tw*t,” and “c*nt” while threatening to sue her.

    Asterisks are mine.

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)

    by MTmofo on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:03:30 PM PDT

  •  This bridge we're on? (7+ / 0-)

    I'm pretty sure that's the Rubicon running beneath us.

    Secret powers: Money, loud English, and The Bomb.

    by ActivistGuy on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:04:19 PM PDT

  •  A little help is welcome (7+ / 0-)

    Let's get Rush Limbaugh out of Armed Forces Radio

    This is the beginning of my weekly series on the subject.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:09:48 PM PDT

  •  John Oliver got deadly serious in an interview (7+ / 0-)

    with the author of This Town.

    Mark Leibovich's book was reviewed on the front page recently, so when I saw this interview linked at the bottom of Bruinkid's diary I wanted to take a look. IMO the interview is well worth watching. The three links aren't actually necessary, b/c the first links to the second etc.

    Interview part 1
    Interview part 2
    Interview part 3

  •  Radical idea? (6+ / 0-)

    Charge the industry a surtax, per bbl., to fund pipeline inspection.

    Another radical idea, while I'm at it.
    Revamp the justice system to reflect actual societal damage, when assessing sentences.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:12:34 PM PDT

    •  especially since Trans canada refuses to use the.. (5+ / 0-)

      latest most accurate technology for accident prevention and detection.

      When Trans canada claimed Keystone would be "the safest pipeline ever built"

      A perfect example is the latest spill (i forgot where right now  - that went on for days abd days un-noticed))

      Keystone XL Pipe Shuns Infrared Sensors to Detect Leaks

      And tar sands require it.

      The EPA's  letter urges the State Department to set special standards to prevent Keystone from spilling, and make sure any spills that happen are rapidly contained.
       The EPA says it has learned about the additional risks of tar sands spills from a cleanup of a 2010 tar sands spill into Michigan's Kalamazoo River that has dragged out nearly three years and cost more than $1 billion. A lot of the heavy crude sank to the bottom and hasn't biodegraded.
  •  Also, Obama tried to cut a deal to (3+ / 0-)
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    re-legalize commercial whaling.

    It really happened.  

    Not because he was getting pounded by some Commercial Whaling Lobby, and had to appease them to get re-elected.  Not because he was scared that if he wasn't tough enough on whales one might appear in the form of a mushroom cloud.

    Not because he bought some Pentagon bullshit about the mounting Whale Threat.

    Just because that's what he felt like doing.

    Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

    by JesseCW on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:18:09 PM PDT

    •  While I don't like it... (3+ / 0-)
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      I don't think it's appropriate to "claim" he "felt like doing" it. We don't know the reasons for many things that happen in the government. Citing facts, linking documents, and offering opinions is what we can do at best.

      But oversimplifying and claiming to know the REAL reason why something happened is going a bit overboard.

      "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

      by Wynter on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:16:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agree. It amazrs me how many times (2+ / 0-)
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        I've seen someone in this community of the "reality-based" claim to know exactly what the President "wants" or "feels like doing." I've often wondered where they got the crystal ball that coughed up those gems of the mind-readers art.

        "I don't love writing, but I love having written" ~ Dorothy Parker // Visit my Handmade Gallery on Zibbet

        by jan4insight on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:20:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  *Cough* "Grand Bargain" *Cough*. (0+ / 0-)

          The President approaches everything as grounds for compromise.

          It doesn't matter if compromise is needed or serves any purpose.

          Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

          by JesseCW on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 08:58:25 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  There is no clear reason for it. There is NO (0+ / 0-)

        gain.

        It's just reflex.  If you don't see that pattern by now, you're not really paying attention.

        Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

        by JesseCW on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 08:57:28 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  NASA produced this short look at the earth's (6+ / 0-)

    temperatures for the past 130 years.

    What, sir, would the people of the earth be without woman? They would be scarce, sir, almighty scarce. Mark Twain

    by Gordon20024 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:22:46 PM PDT

    •  that's quite a graphic (3+ / 0-)
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      you'd think we would be scared straight, but we just shake our heads in bemusement as we drive to the gas station to fill up so we can get to our minimum wage part time with no benefits jobs.  

      "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

      by jlynne on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 11:17:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Is it not a bit naive to pit Manning v ... (1+ / 0-)
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    particular people, all related solely to pre-Obama government, when documents publicised through his whistleblowing include information regarding more recent developments. Far be it for me to chastise Obama only and not his Republican predecessor and his all-too-fallible supporting cast, but just because this is a progressive liberal site we shouldn't just cast a blind eye to the shortcomings of an administration we lay much hope in(?)

    'If you feel you're in control, you're just not going fast enough' - Mario Andretti

    by vyschneider on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:22:52 PM PDT

  •  link (8+ / 0-)

    2nd link, to list of charges is incorrect. Here is the correct link.

  •  What? We aren't outraged (1+ / 0-)
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    by the international affront to lawnorda that the Panamanians letting Mr. Lady walk represented.  Based on other events of this moment, we'd be in highest dudgeon to preserve the sanctity of the world legal order.  Or something like that, right?

    As I wrote elsewhere, that down below us right now, that's the Rubicon isn't it?

    Secret powers: Money, loud English, and The Bomb.

    by ActivistGuy on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:23:35 PM PDT

  •  Won't celebrate or excoriate Manning (3+ / 0-)
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    but I will say that the Wikileaks hackers are living a decent  life with a paycheck on the back of this very young man's sacrifice.

    I don't much see Wikileaks as better than the nations they seem to want to be morally above. Their own secrets, their own sacrificial lambs in the name of.....whatever.

    It's a game Nationals and ExtraNationals play that others lose.

    •  Just another trench war (1+ / 0-)
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      where the Generals have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    •  I don't understand what you're saying. (0+ / 0-)

      You're unhappy that the New York Times failed to go before the Judge and offer their corporate charter for sentencing instead of Bradley?

      Wikileaks received information from Bradley Manning and published much of it. What part of that transaction involved sacrificing their source?

      The decent life with a paycheck part, though, you're totally right about, since our government has no policy of harassing and detaining and stealing from Wikileaks members whenever they travel, and has done nothing in collaboration with the financial services industry to impinge the ability of their organization to collect and disburse funds. Very good point there.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 02:30:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The WikiLeaks business model appears to be to (0+ / 0-)

        actively encourage and assist folks to steal information that could land the "whistleblower" in prison or worse for the rest of his or her life.

        This isn't investigative reporting.

        It's predatory. And more people will go to prison on their account to very little end.

        •  Indeed. Unlike the New York Times, which... (0+ / 0-)

          utilizes a model of discouraging people from providing it with classified information. The Times (or the Post, etc), which insists on only printing information released through legal means and refuses to publish classified information. The Times, which is known to have a strict policy of only communicating with illicit leakers for the purpose of informing them of the illegality of their conduct and encouraging them to get back to work.

          Yes indeed. Wikileaks is so unique that I bet it would take well over fifteen seconds to find an illegally leaked story if we hopped over to washingtonpost.com right now. It's certainly unlikely, but we might even have to scroll down a tiny bit to read the first story involving a source that was encouraged by the reporter to engage in illegal activity.

          "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

          by 2020adam on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:33:58 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  . (3+ / 0-)

    He who would trade liberty for security deserves great customer service.

    by Publius2008 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:27:23 PM PDT

  •  Wonder if kos gives a shit (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    about Snowden, Greenwald and the NSA now?

    He'd better, cause it's going to mess with his horse races just as much as it's going to mess with Obama's shit pile legacy.

    After Bradley Manning, I don't give two shits about this President, his corrupt fascist administration or this fraudulent "Democratic" Party. I'll support a real Democrat, but they can shove the Republicrats right up their stinking ass.

    by Words In Action on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:32:14 PM PDT

  •  Bradly Manning (3+ / 0-)

    The U.S. Government has proved once again that all governments are vile, even the so called "Government of the people, by the people, for the people" government.

     

    one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK

    by Klick2con10ue on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 09:41:52 PM PDT

  •  Secrets are the norm... deal with it. (0+ / 0-)

    Now I am not a fan of the way our government has acted overseas and the whole NSA snooping matter. But I would like to say that the world is full of secrets and that's the reality we live in. Why does it have to be that way? The world would be a whole lot better without them you say?

    That is the hope of dreamers. Human beings are not honest, open and giving as a species. We hide secrets that would cause us harm or ridicule if divulged. Some for good reason. Some just because we did something stupid. Governments are no different. Secrets exist because it's how we cope with living together in this world. If everyone knew everything about each other we would likely understand each other completely, but some would likely be at each other's throats constantly.

    Governments protect those secrets that would cause the country great harm if divulged. People go to war for the most petty things. Some retaliate upon innocent citizens abroad because of something a country has done to wrong them. And some attack military personnel for abuses real or imagined from past generations. We need to keep some secrets and that is the way it's been for all time.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:11:16 PM PDT

    •  One of the most absurd rationalizations I (4+ / 0-)

      have ever read. Really, really stupid beyond words. Deal with it.

      "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

      by shmuelman on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:17:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  They keep getting worse. (2+ / 0-)
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        After Bradley Manning, I don't give two shits about this President, his corrupt fascist administration or this fraudulent "Democratic" Party. I'll support a real Democrat, but they can shove the Republicrats right up their stinking ass.

        by Words In Action on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:40:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Expecting something different? (0+ / 1-)
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          He plead guilty.

          When someone tosses around words like "fascist" I have my doubts that he isn't a tea party troll.

          "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

          by Wynter on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 11:59:30 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Obviously... (0+ / 0-)

        You don't read much. Or didn't read it at all.

        "stupid beyond words?"...

        Really had to reach into the old ink well for that. Join reality and understand what it means to the rest of us.

        "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

        by Wynter on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 11:57:34 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I would fire an employee who kept secrets from me (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      about business matters.

      The government, according to a widely stated theory, is our employee.

      Anyone considering a dog for personal safety should treat that decision as seriously as they would buying a gun.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 12:04:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Here's the trouble with this approach... (0+ / 0-)

      ...We foes of the Vietnam War were repeatedly told that we had no idea what we were talking about, that government officials had better information and therefore we could not understand the reasons for the war or what was really going on.  As it turned out, the number of lies we thought we were being told were about a tenth of the number we were actually being told. Of course, this was done for "your own good" and on the grounds that the experts knew better.

      60,000 Americans dead. Hundreds of thousands maimed and given life-long ailments. 3-5 million Southeast Asians dead. A wounded treasury. A poisoned landscape in Southeast Asia and poisoned political environment at home that still has an impact on us.

      Do you think that if we had known the secret of the Tonkin Gulf or about the phony body counts, the Phoenix Program or a whole host of other secrets we would have been worse off? After all, the Viet Minh (Cong) and North Vietnamese KNEW the truth behind the secrets. It was just Americans who didn't know.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 02:45:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Daily Kos discussion vs actual discussion (0+ / 0-)

    I frequent several online communities. One of which obviously is this one.

    I would like share a discussion on the manning case.

    http://yro.slashdot.org/...

    Now slashdot has its trolls its bigots and its uniformed crap. But many actually debate the news of the day and serious matters.  The focus of its setup and community seems to be discussion of important

    Compare that with the format here.

    Random person finds a link, posts a long blog. Several people all post essentially the same thing "OMG I cant agree more" "You made me cry I THINK THE SAME THING"  Others post "OMGZ YOU ARE SO WRONG". And that is that. There is little ongoing engagement of various ideas.

    Now Daily Kos is different and has a different purpose but that engagement of ideas is something that I think we here could benefit from.

    •  Family fights are the worst. (1+ / 0-)
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      Given that many seem to confuse the President with a member of their own family or their buddy, I don't think it's that surprising that a loud and significant minority can't handle their shit when he's the most prevalent topic of discussion and critique here for eight years.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 02:21:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Heavily-edited (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    The government relied on a case from the Civil War to bring the charge: In that trial, a Union Army private, Henry Vanderwater, was found guilty of aiding the enemy when he leaked a Union roster to an Alexandria newspaper. Vanderwater received a sentence of three months hard labor and was dishonorably discharged.
    Mustn't bite the hand that feeds, even with facts!

    If there's a better example of the Washington Post's complete metamorphosis into The Faithful American Government Stenographers than that one, I'm sure they'll be publishing it shortly...

    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

    by lunachickie on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:24:36 PM PDT

  •  The folks who actually committed treason by (2+ / 0-)
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    spilling weapons secrets to the Soviets get 20 years. The person who sold secrets to Israel, Pollard, got life but will have served 25 years when he gets out.

    The difference of course is that these folks were tried in civilian courts and they leaked Top Secret and Black World information. Most of what Manning released was Confidential and the rest, apparently, was Secret (we will never really know because of the secretive nature of the trial). Anyone who has worked in this community knows that Confidential stamps get applied to anything other than rosters. Secret is likely applied to most unconfirmed reports, but really contains nothing truly "secret" and usually can be found in Time or on-line.

    To be clear I worked in this world for a few years and on classified projects later and never leaked a damn thing. I do believe that Manning deserved some jail time, but that his sentence is excessive.

    If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell. General Phil Sheridan USA

    by shigeru on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:31:11 PM PDT

    •  It's a sham & a travesty.The rule of law is toast (5+ / 0-)

      in this country. When you need it it's non-existent. When you don't it's breathing down neck, hurling outrageous sentences on people.

      After Bradley Manning, I don't give two shits about this President, his corrupt fascist administration or this fraudulent "Democratic" Party. I'll support a real Democrat, but they can shove the Republicrats right up their stinking ass.

      by Words In Action on Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 10:44:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agree. Just check out all the efforts by the DEA (0+ / 0-)

        to shut down marijuana clinics and the continued harassment of peaceful organizers.

        If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell. General Phil Sheridan USA

        by shigeru on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 08:04:00 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Is there any justice in the US anymore? (1+ / 0-)
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    Ans:  No!
    Is there anything we can do about this?

    Ans: Sure.  Anyone can protest and go to jail for the rest of their lives, just like Bradley.

    Alternative answer:  Refuse to take part in anything in this society.  Gather in small, mutually supporting groups / tribes.  Divorce ourselves from participating in the insanity of this society!

    May blessings be!

    Bradley Manning and Julian Assange are being persecuted for telling the truth. Paul Craig Roberts

    by dharmasyd on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 12:00:28 AM PDT

  •  My main question... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    ...is something I've been asking ever since Barack Obama, the Commander in Chief of the military, pronounced Bradley Manning, in no uncertain terms, to be guilty of severe crimes.  He pronounced this when the information about Manning first came out.

    Since Manning is being tried in a military court, and since the supreme commander in chief of the military has pronounced his guilt, the military members in the trial cannot be free from prejudice.  The whole proceedure is tainted by the CIC's prejudgement of the defendant's guilt.

    Even if this is not a direct order from a superior officer, it would have a sublimely prejudicing effect on the court as a whole.  Would a career military person want to throw away a 20 year commitment, or risk no further promotions by deciding out of agreement with the Commander in Chief?  I think not.

    Ergo:

    Bradley Manning could not have possibly gotten a fair trial!  

     

    Bradley Manning and Julian Assange are being persecuted for telling the truth. Paul Craig Roberts

    by dharmasyd on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 12:33:41 AM PDT

  •  The term 'ODS' (1+ / 0-)
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    short for 'Obama Derangement Syndrome,' being used perjoratively against critics of the Administration with increasing frequency.

    I'm going to start HRing it. It attempts to dismiss criticism as invalid by implying mental health issues.

    If Meteor Blades cares to weigh in, or advise against HRing this term, I would welcome his input.




    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

    by DeadHead on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 01:12:22 AM PDT

  •  Prosecute whistleblowers, not war criminals! (2+ / 0-)
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    It's just how Obama rolls.

    Barack Obama: From Nobel Laureate to excusing torture, to drone strikes, to violating the privacy of every person on earth. On the other hand, there's always Lily Ledbetter.

    by expatjourno on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:21:10 AM PDT

  •  I didn't expect clear words from you on this, MB. (1+ / 0-)
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    Good you posted them. Thanks.

    "Im Land der Schatten ist die Wahrheit eine Lüge"

    by mimi on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 03:31:45 AM PDT

  •  Manning should be freed, with time already served (1+ / 0-)
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    lyvwyr101

    let's face it, he did not give up a position on the battlefield to the enemy. He did not give any enemy information that would hurt a war or battle effort. he didn't nuclear secrets to the Russians in the Cold War.
    Nothing he did harmed the US in any way.
    What he DID do is expose truths and lies that had been kept from The People. The only harm that could come would be to our reputation as a nation who was supposedly against torture, was supposedly for the rule of law and who was supposed to uphold the truth.
    Manning exposed us as being no better than a third world dictatorship. And so now he can rot in prison.
    Which is what they do in third world dictatorships.

    If anyone things today's America is not different than yesterday's, I read comments by Daniel Ellsburg who said that when he leaked the Pentagon Papers he remained free. He could walk the streets a free man until whatever trial took place. Manning gets tossed in jail, even solitary confinement. This is justice?

    America, where have you gone?

    Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

    by MA Liberal on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 05:12:30 AM PDT

    •  Basically agree (1+ / 0-)
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      He was going to be convicted on at least some of the charges--good motivations or not, he broke the law. A member of the Armed Forces cannot just share classified documents with the world. Even if the damage was minimal and his motivations were not anti-American, he couldn't have known the details and implications of ALL the documents he shared.

      That said, I am glad he was found not guilty of the ridiculous aiding the enemy charge. I hope there is extreme leniency in sentencing under the circumstances, considering his intent and the effects. I think Manning will have to serve time, but I would really hate to see this man lose the better part of his life in prison over this.

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 06:50:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

      He made a moral choice: He told the truth.

      This is a bad thing?

      Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

      by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 at 07:08:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

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