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It's obvious. Climate change is a global problem that will require a global solution with governments negotiating and cooperating to develop and implement solutions. The whole solution is a debasement to economic conservatives whose core belief is that government is the problem and whose mission is to dissemble government until it's small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Conservatives are locked into their 'small government' narrative so much so that they are unable to reason even when presented with overwhelming evidence. They are willing to be a destructive force toward their own civilization rather than change their view.

At 8pm eastern tomorrow Chris Hayes will explore the problem further with his documentary "The Politics of Power" on MSMBC.  Chris has been the only major TV journalist to give a significant amount of time to the crisis of climate change. Watch the trailer to his documentary here:

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

Kudos to Chris for making this a media event. The more that understand the urgency of the climate change crisis; the greater the mobilization to fight the entrenched interests.

Originally posted to beach babe in fl on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM PDT.

Also republished by Climate Change SOS.

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  •  Well They're Opposed to the Entire Concept (7+ / 0-)

    of this being an issue for government. They're against even the most local action such as energy efficiency or recycling, or national action such as citizen solar or commercial wind farms.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 10:16:13 AM PDT

    •  Republicans have this thing for Westerns (3+ / 0-)
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      Not the brutal reality of life in the old west, the Hollywood John Wayne version.  There is also a bit of Luddite-ism as well, since if civilization falls there won't be no scientists to counteract their prejudices, or newfangled computer thingies to make them feel stupid.

      They never connect with the fact that when civilization goes, so do all the modern conveniences.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 11:33:56 AM PDT

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  •  It also helps expose something else. (4+ / 0-)

    The GOP's chest-puffing about 'rugged individualism' and 'free markets' are lies.

    They actively gorge themselves on campaign contributions from fossil fuel companies, then enact legislation that give said companies lavish tax breaks and subsidies. Oh yeah, and also doing their best to crush competition in the wind and solar industries. Does this sound like the government 'not picking winners and losers in the market' to you?

  •  I'm confused. (2+ / 0-)
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    How was this originally posted to Beach Babe in FL, and the tip jar says VL Baker?

    Did beach babe get admins to change her user handle?

  •  Billion $ profit > million $ profit (2+ / 0-)
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    as in billions in profits in quick raping of the environment as vs long term million $ profits from a sustainable environmentally friendly situation

    though they only end up spending millions either or to satisfy their lavish lifestyles....the billion $ option allows them to horde a pile to sit upon like a throne to reach heaven

  •  I'm not really a conservative (2+ / 0-)
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    except relative to other folks on Daily Kos.  I don't oppose solutions to climate change, and I count energy conservation, giving up coal, and methane controls among the top 3 priorities.

    But I greatly fear the solutions to climate change, especially since we are so far down the road, and I don't see any concrete proposals to lessen the shock to the workers in the fossil-fuel-based portion of economy.

    Those solutions will include massive dislocations in employment, as we lose the hundreds of thousands of good-paying jobs in oil & gas, and coal production  and processing, and the related power plant industry.

    We may get massive increases in other jobs because of the shift to manufacture of solar and wind power plant components.  But what if most of the manufacturing takes place overseas, for instance in China?  

    Its also tough to tell a pipeline welder in Florida there's no more pipeline jobs, and they'd better move. with their family, to Iowa and learn to make wind energy fans, and to cope with six feet of snow every winter.

    “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

    by 6412093 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 10:51:47 AM PDT

    •  Those windmills are welded together (2+ / 0-)
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      and I'm sure skill in welding one thing is mostly transferrable to welding another.   Those FL welders will have to move anyway in a few decades as the state sinks into the ocean.

      There will be temporary pain in the ancient industries, but you should really fear the chaos of what comes from doing nothing.  The DoD put out a conservative paper on what happens from climate change and it's not pretty.  Maybe that's why we're getting a police state now, to deal with the coming migrations and food riots.

      Obama: self-described Republican; backed up by right-wing policies

      by The Dead Man on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 11:40:36 AM PDT

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      •  Put the DOD on an energy diet. (0+ / 0-)

        We as a country are already trying to develop alternative energy at military facilities.  

        First, a utopian notion....can the world still afford to wage high energy consuming wars?  

        Where does war fit in with the global greenhouse emissions inventory budget?

        Let's get the DOD to give back more of the United State's nuclear weapons and turn them back to formulations for nuclear power plant fuel.

        Maybe we should change the definition of "war" is and put the Army Corps of Engineers in charge of building public water wells in the developing world and developing agriculture projects and ecological restoration in arid regions.....let us do that and call it "war"

    •  This change away from fossil fuel is going to (1+ / 0-)
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      happen one way or another.  Either by massive climate change disruptions coupled with declining fossil resource availability or the smart way with deliberate action on the part of people, business and governments.  It's not an either/or situation.

      If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

      by John Crapper on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 12:23:07 PM PDT

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      •  I am concerned with the responses to my comment (3+ / 0-)
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        from the Dead Man and Mr. Crapper.

        I did not try to frame the coming economic dislocations from a shift to a relatively carbonless economy as an either/or situation.  

        I prefer to see deliberate action as does Mr. Crapper. I am concerned because I don't see the kind of deliberate action we need to address the impacts from an economic retooling on a scale never before attempted.

        And I fear that the Dead Man is understating the upcoming economic dislocations by referring to it as "temporary" economic pains.

        “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

        by 6412093 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 02:36:25 PM PDT

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        •  it's an extremely stressful time for all of us who (2+ / 0-)
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          understand the consequences of the climate crisis. Our species has never had to deal with a legitimate threat of this magnitude so each is handling in their own way.  

          It's going to be chaos and some believe that economic dislocations are the least of our problems when basic survival is threatened.

          I agree, we're not seeing the kind of action that is needed. All the more reason to try to work together with like minded folks to influence policy and to reduce our personal carbon use. We're in for a hell of a ride.

          take care

          Macca's Meatless Monday

          by VL Baker on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 03:34:56 PM PDT

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          •  This statement (1+ / 0-)
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            Our species has never had to deal with a legitimate threat of this magnitude so each is handling in their own way.  
            Actually, the history of air pollution control shows an example where we have dealt with a threat of the same magnitude....

            The use of fully halogenated chloroflourcarbons once posed a threat of worldwide catastrophic ozone depletion.  That was a threat that was fully at the magnitude of what we presently face with global warming [it is a global warming problem, above all....that is why I don't use the words 'climate change' because that terms softens the impact and impression of what is happening]

            And guess what?    Once the world became well versed in the problem, there was an international treaty enacted  which is still being implement to address the problem.   At this writing, we are far better off now as far as hazard mitigation and global CFC control than we would have otherwise been had the Montreal Protocol not been enacted.

            This example illustrates the importance of scientific research, accurate data, appropriate public education and scrupulous dedication to the scientific process.   ....and not getting derailed with unscientific BS like Gasland and other confabulations to obscure both the real problem and solutions available.

          •  The world wide response to control nuclear (1+ / 0-)
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            weapons, nuclear materials and nuclear proliferation
            is another example of the world and our nation facing
            threat worse than what global warming is throwing at us
            and look how far we've come with reducing nuclear weapons
            inventories and with other activities to control spread of
            nuclear weapons.

            And we did that in a scientific process as well, and our current President's efforts on this are noted because so many people take nuclear arms reduction achievements of the Obama Administration for granted......

          •  Thanks for your explanation (1+ / 0-)
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            LakeSuperior has made some relevant comments also, however, for global warming,  we lack the international treaties and efforts that he cited, which characterized the  those past chemical and nuclear challenges.

            “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

            by 6412093 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 09:18:18 PM PDT

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    •  i much more fear no solution... (1+ / 0-)
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      this situation is a much larger issue that the fate of horse-and-buggy makers a century or so ago. more like the fate of the islanders who depended on fishing, from their boats, for survival...after years and years of making boats out of the trees there were no more trees left on their remote island with which to make boats. did they see that coming? their fate was somewhat self-inflicted and somewhat just dumb luck.
      we see this coming. who on earth is better suited to the challenge than the country with a history (and in the minds of some a savior nation) of solutions?
      solutions are indeed necessary. fear has no place in the discussion unless you refer to consequences.

  •  It really amazes me how every conservative (2+ / 0-)
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    on the internet seems to think they are an expert on climate change. As though some guy who reads the Drudge Report knows better than most of the world's scientists.

    It's not so much that they oppose the solution but that they reject that climate change is even happening in the first place, or that it's caused by humans.

  •  Most of them get into CT as well (0+ / 0-)

    The deniers deny because they believe human-caused climate change is a "hoax" and for what reason? Why, so the great "liberal conspiracy" can destroy capitalism by destroying the substance it fuels itself with, ie: carbon based combustibles.

    Yup, not only are liberals united in an ordered conspiracy but they've also come up with this "hoax" to destroy what the RW loves most, Capitalism.

    It's most indicative of the projection the RW indulges in, they see themselves in a great top-down monolithic organization united in their extreme rightist political beliefs. Despite all obvious evidence to the contrary, they can't imagine anything but their opponents being like them. Apparently no one ever told them the "herding cats" analogy.

    "We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world - bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are whores for power and oil with hate and fear in our hearts" - Hunter S. Thompson

    by Dave925 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 03:47:18 PM PDT

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