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 In 1965 Intel co-founder Gordon Moore made the observation that the density of transistors which could be printed on a circuit doubles about every 24 months.  With the added speed and efficiency which comes from greater density over all computing power doubles about every 18 months.  Though there are physical limits that will someday kick in, Mr. Moore has been right for almost fifty years.

     Storing and searching are two thing computers excel at.   You provide them with data and an algorithm ( which is just a set of steps, like recipe ) to search with and they will filter out the answer to what ever question your algorithm posed, and they do it quickly, quicker than a bunny even.  If you take fifty years of doubling every 18 months you can see how we got from desktop sized four function calculators to iphones.  
   If all the military/industrial/intelligence/finance complex ( if Ike only knew ) only had the ability to store all of our personal data there wouldn’t be much danger to our freedom.  Too much data was once equal to no data since sorting it took so long, but Moore’s law applies not just to storage but to processing as well and that is trouble with a capital T and that rhymes … well I’ll let you decide what it rhymes with, but it is unarguably Trouble.  There is  now no limit to the lists which the secret cult of intelligence can compile :  red haired, left handed, women, between 50 an 55, who like mah jong, geology, are afraid of wasps and roses, have good teeth, are married to old kayak bums,  and are aerospace engineers.  There must be at least a  dozen women like that (I know one myself) and if the complex wants to identify them, put them under closer scrutiny, plot their physical locations, read their Email, look at photos of their physical mail, check their banking activity, magazine subscription, medical records, blog comments, retail purchases  … (I’d continue but the list is long and I don’t know everything thats on it - neither do you.) well the secret courts are fine with that. After all who’s gonna know and once perjury in defense of  policy become OK then the circle is complete.  You can do as you like and lie about it if it is in the national interest and the national interest is decided by you - in secret.  Wall street taught them well it seems.
    Fixing this will be hard if we work together : it will be impossible if we stay divided.  The other issues of race and income inequality, immigration,  the environment, and the economy all pale in significance to this.  We can no longer stop it from happening we must somehow undo it, when all three (four if you count banks) branches of government want to keep and indeed expand it.  This will take a concerted push from all hands.  The things dividing us which we argue and rant about, must be put aside till this fight is won.  Rich/poor,  black/white,  gay/straight,  urban/ rural,  and -damn it- liberal/conservative - If we can’t put these aside and find common cause in defending restoring  the Bill of Rights … well the complex (which has no ideology- only a lust for power) wins and we will just have to be content to rant and squabble among ourselves, so long as it is ineffective and poses no threat to the complex and they will be are able to identify those that are threats with frightening precision.  Effective dissent will become more and more dangerous until only dangerous people dissent, and that dissent will be violent, which will bring a violent response and on and on …  this is the way civil wars start.  
   There was a time in the 1920s when the disease of nazism could have been stopped (I am aware of Godwin’s Law stating that all internet conversation, if long enough, will result in comparisons being made to the nazis.  I am not comparing anyone or anything to said nazis.) but there were not enough people who saw what was happening and shouted “This is not right !” so that after a while it became too dangerous, and besides it was unpatriotic, and at least the nazis were anti communist, and they really gave the economy a boost,  and if you ignore the anti-semitism they aren’t so bad, and on and on …this is how tyrannies are born - by consent, first based on complacency, and latter on fear.       There was a time when the global war on terror could have been stopped, when the patriot act could have been stopped, when the secret court system could have been stopped, when Guantanamo and the drone war and the banksters and on and on could have been stopped but we didn’t.  We took out our anger and frustration on each other and the complex saw this and said “It  is good”.
   The warrantless surveillance of the American people is not wrong because it is against the law,  It’s against the law because it is wrong.  Just wrong.  This doesn’t need to be explained: we feel it in our hearts as free people.   I take very few things in this world seriously -  The Constitution is one of those things.  It is not “white man’s law” it’s not ”rich man’s law” - It is our law. It is not the source of our freedom, that is God given, but the guarantee and guard against that freedom ever being taken away or any one being denied justice.  It is not perfect, humans don’t do perfect, but as the result of over two hundred years of striving and struggling, shedding tears and blood, it is ours - and now part of it has been stolen.
    I don’t care who did what when.  The debate over how Bush and Obama should split the blame does not matter - neither is gonna wind up on Mt Rushmore anytime soon.  Even the Republican/ Democrat divide is insignificant in light of this outrage’s undeniable bipartisan nature.  We must put aside petty (and non-petty)  squabbles and speak as American citizens demanding our collective rights back, and not as factions seeking separate favor or redress.  
   A great many people have died to create, fix, and defend the Ideas which The Constitution almost perfectly proclaim.  If we want the chance to perfect it we must take it back.  To do so now will take sweat … if we wait I fear it will take more blood.
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  •  GREENWALDIAN!!!!! (8+ / 0-)



    Am I doing this right?

    "So what if a guy threw a shoe at me!"

    by FoodChillinMFr on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 10:38:29 PM PDT

  •  no pi in your pole? I have 3.14 reasons (11+ / 0-)

    why that is just wrong.

    Clapper.  Noun, adverb, verb
    A. old English insult, for a prostitute who transmitted (often deliberately, and without warning) sexually transmitted diseases.
    B. A person showing approval for a sports/art/music/theater event by placing his or her hands together at high speed, then repeating the movement. This form of communication was intended to convey and express approval and thanks to the performer.
    C. The name of a professional liar, who gauges his or her success  by how easily he or she can befuddle and misdirect an entire elected body of representatives, about the nature, scope, intent, use, and depth of unconstitutional spying on one's own citizens. DEspite every other miscreant and liar who attempted similar dissembling, lying and deliberately false testimony sitting in jail, a "Clapper" usually  gets promoted, is rehired, or is appointed to lead a Faux "supervisory and investigatory" committee  to prevent the general public from ever learning about his crimes and perjury.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 10:47:01 PM PDT

  •  I am with you (2+ / 0-)
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    sceptical observer, Shockwave

    If you need a selfish reason, think of your taxes.  Yes, that computing power is possible.   But, it's still expensive and it will remain expensive.  As the size of our population grows, as the number of things we can search for grows (types of mahjong?), our costs grow.  We must have buildings, networks, developers.  Think of how much it cost to install a new baggage system in one of the nation's top airports, or to replace the air traffic control software.   The expense of tracking exactly which deodorant a man in Manhattan used on Tuesday morning, April 23, and what the toll was for license xxxxxxx, as it passed the reader at 2:23 a.m., precisely six months ago, and who else passed that same toll gate withing the five days prior to that date, will grow, and grow and grow and grow and grow and grow.

    The only thing that might stop this is selfish interest, if someone starts feeling a pinch in the pocketbook.   It happened with mental health care, when we shut down the psych hospitals.  It is starting to happen with prisons, as states with overburdened budgets ask themselves, "Why are we spending all this money on prisons?

    Our best hope is if, one day, someone adds it all up and asks the simple question...

    Could we save more people by spending this money on something else?    Like, schools?   Or, childcare for children from birth to school age?   Or, healthcare?   Or, research into the cure for cancer or type 2 diabetes?   Is it really the best expenditure of our tax dollars to know that Sallie, age 3, at 501 pleasant street, usually watches Barney at 6 a.m., and eats puffed oats for breakfast?    Is Sallie really a serious risk of committing a terrorist act?  

    My best hope is that someone, someday, will get sick of paying the bill for this nonsense.   I know this taxpayer is already tired of it.

    •  Too late on the buildings (3+ / 0-)
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      Youffraita, DFWmom, annan

      On one of MSNBC's show (Rachel/Chris or Lawrence) there was a report that a VERY large building in Nevada was nearing completion for the storing of all the data.

      On prisons, I believe that the repugnants are privatizing them and it will be difficult to stop that trend especially in a state like Arizona where politicians are getting donations from the prison privatizers.

      •  You're right. (0+ / 0-)

        I think the Nevada building is designed to hold a terabyte of data.

        I forget how many zeroes in a terabyte, but it was a whole lot. A billion billion? Not sure. Someone on this site knows, though.

        Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

        by Youffraita on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 11:49:32 PM PDT

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        •  No, not a terabyte but a yottobyte. I could easil (1+ / 0-)
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          easily get a terabyte of storage I can access on my phone for around $200 thanks to Seagate's Wireless Plus (the next generation of the Goflex Satellite).  A regular portable USB 3.0 1 terabyte hard drive without it's own battery or wifi card is less than $100 (having to build in a lithium ion battery that can power the hard drive and the wifi hardware for 6 hours increases the cost considerably).

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 12:15:31 AM PDT

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        •  I'm in IT (2+ / 0-)
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          Stude Dude, greengemini

          In less than 10 years, they'll be crying for an upgrade.  They have to keep upgrading Windows and networking systems.  They'll have to replace servers.  Add memory.  Re-write systems that were written in out-dated code.  Even with the cheap offshore Indian contract labor that I know they will hire, it is going to keep being more and more and more expensive.  Every re-write is going to cost exponentially more than the previous one, and they won't just want a copy of the old one.  They'll want a new and bigger and better and more expensive one.  Just think of what it costs to go to the moon now, compared to what it cost when we did it the first time.

      •  Oh my, I heard about the one in Utah (0+ / 0-)

        but now they're building one in Nevada, too?

        Just saying, I wonder how much the NIH budget (you know, to address problems that actually afflict large numbers of Americans) could be increased without all this craziness.

      •  I think you're refering to (1+ / 0-)
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        the Utah Data Center at Camp Williams that was just completed, not Nevada.

  •  --WE--- feel it in --OUR-- hearts... (4+ / 0-)
    It’s against the law because it is wrong.  Just wrong.  This doesn’t need to be explained: we feel it in our hearts as free people.
    You, me, most of us here feel that.  Not everybody.

    Imagine a room full of feisty people.  O ne of them is holding a machine gun.  There is one person in that room who doesn't feel threatened at all by the machine gun.  It's the guy who is holding it.

    The people holding the reins of power and their friends who trust them implicitly don't feel the same way in their hearts as we do.  It just seems natural that somebody has to be holding that gun, and since it's somebody they trust, what is there to worry about?

    The Republicans didn't worry about the power of the NSA until after Bush was gone.  Democrats didn't become comfortable with it until after Bush was gone.  Come 2017, we may see that same reversal.  

    I think people who can change positions so quickly are short-sighted fools if they don't learn.

    Our only chance to stop this is before the Republicans get back in power and they decide they like domestic spying again.  If that means forming coalitions of convenience with people like that repulsive Obama Rodeo clown guy (and I bet he worries more about domestic spying since this past week), then that's what we have to do.  

    This is one time we really can't afford to be purists abpit who we associate with.  We almost had the votes for Amash, and it was because of anti-NSA Republicans.  They're out there.

  •  The Constitution does nothing, never has. (1+ / 0-)
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    The Constitution is a piece of paper on which a compendium of missions and prohibitions, addressed to agents of government, are written. Enforcement remains and has always been with the citizens, acting separately or in unison. Since the agents of government are hired and paid, the mechanism of correction is to fire and remove.
    We, the people, have regular opportunities to do that with elections. (It doesn't really matter how many people vote, as long as those who vote know what they are about). Of course, if we reduce voting to a rubber stamp function and swallow the pretense that the people we hire have picked themselves and persuaded the voters to go along, then the firing won't be done.
    That Congress perceives itself to be on shaky ground is evidenced by the effort to thin and gerrimander and distract the electorate. Although the major media have not given it much notice, that the House has seen 212 freshmen elected in the last three terms has obviously made an impression. Not only do these novices account for the House being disfunctional, if the trend continues there soon won't be an old guard majority to cobble together. The power of Congress will be gone with the wind. That's why they're still trying to intimidate the citizenry.

  •  Moore's Law has weird implications (5+ / 0-)

    In 10 years, countries with lower government budgets will be able to afford global massive data collection and data crunching.

    People generate much more data nowadays, but that will flatten.  

    In 30 years who knows.

    Hard disk prices photo hd_cost_graph_zpsa2907518.gif

    But most data roads come through the US, so it will be doable by us more easily than others.

    Submarine fiber optic photo Submarinfiberoptic_zps4ade0eb7.png

    The nazis and communists wish they had it so easy.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 02:59:14 AM PDT

  •  Phew, I don't meet the 50-55 search criteria (0+ / 0-)


    "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

    by LaFeminista on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 03:20:06 AM PDT

  •  NOT "Godwin's law" (0+ / 0-)
    I am aware of Godwin’s Law stating that all internet conversation, if long enough, will result in comparisons being made to the nazis.
    Godwin said, re: USENET specifically, that eventually someone would run out of argument AND START CALLING THE OTHER PARTICIPANT(S) NAZIS.

    BIG effing difference, if you'll pardon me:  blocking - or invalidating - sober analysis of Nazism, and serious comparisons of methods and tactics does not conform to Godwin AT ALL.  It has crippled political discussion on the internet for at least a decade, probably two.

    Time we stopped making that mistake!

    trying to stay alive 'til I reach 65!

    by chmood on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 08:50:13 AM PDT

  •  I have been pondering what our society's (0+ / 0-)

    structure would look like in a fully free/open information state with equal access?

    And I mean post-singularity, not the turmoil during the transition.

    Would Authoritarianism even be possible if every individual and institution had the same access to some theoretical hyper-NSA with no more secrets?  Would we emotionally evolve to realize and understand what is and isn't important?

    I dunno.  The concept is both terrifying and liberating to me.

    I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunately, it is not.…We're better than this. We must do better. Cmdr Scott Kelley

    by wretchedhive on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 11:02:42 AM PDT

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