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... and now the idiots are shocked that the even bigger idiots are behaving, well, idiotically:
GOP-aligned business groups such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Federation of Independent Business, and others played a key role in helping elect dozens of conservatives to the House and Senate. Now that these conservatives are trying to drag Congress into multiple confrontations that could do untold economic damage, however, the groups that played such a big role in shaping this Congress are none too happy with the forces they helped unleash.
Although these groups are actually going on the record to lament the actions of the Republicans they helped elect, instead of being apologetic for having thrown their support behind a bunch of scary and destructive clowns, they are whining about not getting what they paid for. The thing is, they are getting exactly what they paid for—they've got nobody to blame but themselves. It's their own damn fault. It just sucks that the rest of us are paying the price.

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  •  They are just the latest to fall (20+ / 0-)

    for the Republicans' con. Evangelicals had to wait decades before they got anything, and even now it's a tossup as to whether they get anything permanent, since what they got were a couple of SC justices named.

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:03:32 PM PDT

    •  The purpose of a scam (10+ / 0-)

      is to extract real money, not change.

      Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

      by mspicata on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:08:10 PM PDT

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      •  Ever seen "Office Space"? (2+ / 0-)
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        Sometimes change adds up . . .

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:47:08 PM PDT

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        •  They didn't fall for anything. (5+ / 0-)
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          The CC is made up of a bunch of idiotic ideologues who want government spending halted in one breath and then are upset that there aren't any infrastructure projects being funded by government because they didn't want any government spending.

          They are victims of their own stupidity and that's pretty typical for them, sadly.

          •  I don't know about that, actually. (1+ / 0-)
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            Eyesbright

            If they are idiotic, that would certainly make them easy marks . . .
            Reagan Republicans have always said they are in favor of reducing the size of the government, after all.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:53:32 PM PDT

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            •  And who saved the Reagan Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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              from themselves during the Reagan era?

              Tip O'Neill - a Democrat.

              The Chamber has been pushing further and harder for decades - unsatisfied with the lack of extremism with respect to enacting their ideology - and now they are closer to their goals than ever before and finding out what really happens when government is dismantled and/or prevented from operating.

              They went through the same thing when the Republicans shutdown government in the 90s, too.

          •  What was their alternative? (0+ / 0-)

            Elections are blunt instruments. You're more or less stuck with the people who run.

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            by dinotrac on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 03:00:53 PM PDT

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            •  No they hand-picked their candidates (2+ / 0-)
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              to mirror their ideology.

              I find it really remarkable that people think that the Chamber of Commerce was duped or some such nonsense.

              These people have an ideological perspective that is unworkable in real life.  

              If you want to defund government, you won't have big bridge building contracts unless you're lucky enough to find several multi-billionaires interested in building that bridge.

              Did you read the article?

              The Chamber of Commerce is upset because the Transportation and Housing Bill is dead in the water which has stopped funds being release that their insiders would be paid to execute government contracts. lol  They want no government spending, but they want to win paying government contracts.  They can't have it both ways.  This is where reality of their ideology comes home to roost and that's due to the fact that they picked politicians who wanted to cut government spending.  They are idiots and they've engineered their own problems.

              •  You make that sound so easy, but... (0+ / 0-)

                you can't arm-wrestle somebody into an election and you still have to get votes.

                And yes, I read the article.
                Have you ever participated in an election?

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                by dinotrac on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 04:27:40 PM PDT

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                •  LOL - yes I have participated in elections. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I guess you think that the Chamber is full of a bunch of political wizards, but it is not.

                  Someone says, "Hey let's gerrymander as many districts as we possibly can to give dominance to the most extreme views we have!"

                  They say, "Awesome, great idea!  Here's a bunch of cash to help you do that!"

                  Then someone says, "We've got all of the districts appropriately rigged now let's get the candidates lined up to run.  Here's our list of people who are extreme enough and look good on camera."

                  The Chamber says, "Super great!  Here's some more money."

                  Independently, the Chamber then goes on to create advertising of their political ideological hogwash and saturates the markets where they have a horse in the race.

                  Everybody in the most well gerrymandered districts are convinced that austerity is the only answer; that the deficit must be fought to the death; and that government is BAD.

                  Cool so all that is in place and they do fairly well aside from a few people who were dumb enough to talk about forced pregnancy after rape - but hey - you win some and you lose some.

                  Then their peeps are sworn in and ready to go!  

                  Austerity; deficit death matches; NO government spending - that's the result!

                  "Yay!  We are winning," says the Chamber.

                  Months pass - and really not that many - just over seven months - and they realize at the Chamber of Commerce that maybe the Deficit Death Match isn't so super great after all.  Maybe Austerity is kinda reducing traffic in their members' retail outlets.  Maybe Government BAD is kinda impeding the flow of what was once really reliable BIG money for the members.

                  Could it be?  Naw.  It must be Obama's fault.  LOL - Shaking Head.  They are a bunch of foolish idiots engaging in political and ideological games that as it turns out amount to shooting themselves in the foot.

                  •  Heh -- That's interesting. (0+ / 0-)

                    Between the two of us, I'd say you were the one making the Chamber sound like a bunch of political wizards orchestrating elections.

                    I don't think they're that powerful or that smart.

                    They can influence elections. They can encourage people to run, but, more or less, they have the same problem we all do come election day:

                    Two and exactly two political parties with a credible chance to win any seat.

                    If one of them is hostile to you, you're more or less stuck with the other one.  Republican leaders have been stuck with Children of the Tea Party since 2010.  They thought they could ride the Tea Party wave and simply put the newcomers in their place.

                    Hasn't worked out that way.
                    Bummer for everyone.

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                    by dinotrac on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 05:49:13 PM PDT

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              •  They don't want "no government spending." (1+ / 0-)
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                They want no government spending on people - or anything else for which they can't collect a government paycheck.

                "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

                by SueDe on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 04:27:59 PM PDT

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                •  Right, but they've gone with evermore extreme (2+ / 0-)
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                  characters in their quest to cordon off the funds for themselves and now they've basically jumped the shark.  Their peeps are so extreme and inflexible - and largely diversely insane - that no funding is the result of their efforts.

  •  This is another reason why 2014 wont be 2010 (12+ / 0-)

    The money isn't going to be there like it was, or if it is, at least part of it is going to be pointed at knocking out some Republican incumbents that are bad for the bottom line. Big business thought they were buying deregulation. What they bought were loons that want to vote 102304 times to ban abortion from the twinkle in the father's eye.

    •  2014 was never going to be like 2010. (2+ / 0-)
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      2010 was a loss of historic proportions -- one of the 2 or 3 biggest mid-term butt-kickings in history, depending on the measure you use.

      Republicans could have built on that had they decided to represent the interests of their constituents, but now I wonder if the Republican party isn't on its way to a well-earned grave.

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      by dinotrac on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 03:08:17 PM PDT

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  •  They used to make Frankenstein required reading (11+ / 0-)

    Ah the joys of home Schooling and charter schools

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    by JML9999 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:05:57 PM PDT

  •  When Pandora opened her jar, (4+ / 0-)
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    she closed it after all of the evils of the world escaped, leaving only hope behind.

    She, of course, was just curious, not stupid like these fine folks.

    Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

    by mspicata on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:06:07 PM PDT

  •  Business types still display 1930s reflexive (13+ / 0-)

    antti-moderate Democratic governance. Calling FDR a "traitor to his class" when he defanged radicals like Huey Long and saved free enterprise/now backing teabaggers. In addition to What's the Matter with Kansas (voting against their interests) put What's the Matter with Wall Street and CoC, with verrrry moderate, mainstream Democrats policies much more to their long term economic interests.

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    by TofG on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:08:17 PM PDT

    •  the matter with Wall St. is what's always wrong (6+ / 0-)
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      with Wall Street. They cannot act in their own self-interest for longer than a year, or - some would argue - a quarter of a year.

      They bought the state and fed legislatures and state houses so they could ram through every piece of crap ALEC law and regulation they could dream up.

      Now they're starting to wake from that wet dream and they seem, what? unsatisfied with the mess they've made?

      Too freakin' bad. They will never see past this year's dividends and tax returns and the only way to control them is to do what FDR took all those years to complete. Now it's all unraveled, the lunatics are running the asylum, and the task of getting things together is looking very, very difficult. I know Elizabeth Warren can do it alone. I truly wish she will find many more allies than she has so far.

      Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

      by p gorden lippy on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:47:02 PM PDT

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  •  They're shocked, Shocked! That their bought and (7+ / 0-)

    paid for crazy-people are acting crazily.  Nobody could have foreseen that happening ...

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    by bherner on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:10:17 PM PDT

  •  If they really have Buyer's Remorse (8+ / 0-)

    Then they ought to do their best to return the products they did buy, and look for some new ones the next time around.

    I realize there may be a little cognitive dissonance at suggesting they just "buy" some Democratic lawmakers instead of insane Teapublicans, but I stand by the analogy.

    •  The best thing they could do, imho, (7+ / 0-)

      is sit on their money in 2014.  I am one of those who thinks the existence of a rational conservative party is good for the country.  Unfortunately, I haven't seen one since Gerald Ford was president.  If the businessmen aren't getting what they want for the money, their innate business sense should tell them to stop spending it.  If they must spend, perhaps shoring up the tattered remains of the moderate wing of the GOP would be a wiser expenditure.

      Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

      by mspicata on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:18:58 PM PDT

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      •  Investing in moderates would certainly (0+ / 0-)

        save them a lot of that hard-earned money.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 04:24:30 PM PDT

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    •  Really, the best thing would be for them (2+ / 0-)
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      to stay out of politics entirely.

      I think that their political choices make it pretty clear that they haven't a clue how good government and government spending are for their interests.

      Step away from the Washington cocktail parties and fundraisers, people.

  •  I wonder how many of these C of C types (6+ / 0-)

    are feeling, seeing the fall of the middle class,and all that purchasing power, that is disappearing, because of shit wage jobs?

    One does not simply walk into Mordor! One invites a gas driller in, and one’s land becomes Mordor. Chris From Balloon Juice

    by Mr Stagger Lee on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:13:41 PM PDT

  •  Oh we'll. looks like (5+ / 0-)
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    Your karma ran over your dogma.

    "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

    by SottoVoce on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:19:48 PM PDT

    •  Thx, SottoVoce, that's my favorite bumper sticker, (3+ / 0-)
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      shanikka, Sherri in TX, eps62

      that is: "My karma ran over my dogma."

      My second favorite is:  "Support your local police. Commit your crimes out of town."

      The right of the women of this State to be secure in their persons against unreasonable searches shall not be violated by the State legislature.

      by Mayfly on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:38:08 PM PDT

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      •  I know that it's "my karma", but in this case (1+ / 0-)
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        it's their own karma to suffer from their own dogma.  I like that second bumper sticker, too.  Thanks for sharing.

        "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

        by SottoVoce on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 02:44:46 PM PDT

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  •  POPCORN! (1+ / 0-)
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    Mayfly

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:25:45 PM PDT

  •  I don't need an apology from the Chamber. (4+ / 0-)
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    Dissolution will do.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:36:02 PM PDT

  •  Hope the slant-headed guy at the COC gets fired. (0+ / 0-)

    I hate that little creep.

  •  the false god of business (3+ / 0-)
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    this is what pisses me off so much about the idolatry of every capitalist, lucky internet geek, Wall st gambler, and TBTF megacorp.

    They wanted their f*cking tax cuts.

    That's as far as it went in the old 'think it through' department with the entire US Chamber of Commerce membership as well as the rest of the pigs at the trough.
    They wanted their f*cking tax cuts, and Republicans always cut their f*cking taxes, so that's that.

    Business interests, though powerful enough to deeply reshape elections, are too damned narrow, short sighted and self serving to ever be in the public interest anymore. Their demand for immediate return means tax cuts beat road building every time, until there's no public money left for road building. Then they move on.

    The joke's only on them because they didn't get their f*cking tax cuts, but they did get enough zealots elected to create a mess for them.
    Assholes.
    I'd like to think this might cause a few of the Great and Powerful to rethink this short term gain strategy and perhaps get behind the kind of massive reshaping we will need to survive the coming climate and peak oil challenges.
    But I would be an idiot to think that.

    Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

    by kamarvt on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:50:17 PM PDT

  •  What's hilarious is (3+ / 0-)
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    that the current GOP/RNC combine is convinced that the reason for their showing in 2012 is that they weren't conservative enough, and groups like CPAC are trying to push the party further right.

    But make no mistake, CoC and ALEC are like steak and cheese.  The Chamber may not be happy with what's happening at the federal level, but they must be wetting themselves at what's happening in the state houses.

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:50:25 PM PDT

  •  Well isn't that special n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Can they say "scheudenfreude"? (1+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright

    Can they even spell it?

    Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    by Youffraita on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 01:58:47 PM PDT

  •  While the Chamber invested in the GOP Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    has helped to change the economic landscape with the focus on health care reform, renewable energy, infrastructure projects, financial services reform and the ending of 1 war and the winding down of another.  T
    These businesses have to adjust to the new environment and with the GOP they don't have a seat at the table, because the GOP wants to burn the table and throw the chairs into the Potomac.

    A lot of business money is going to go with pragmatic candidates in 2014, and that will include a lot of Democrats.  

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    by khyber900 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 02:12:04 PM PDT

  •  I love the 'Spirit of Enterprise' logo, (0+ / 0-)

    showing a seal emerging from a wave with an oil slick.

    The great seal of the United States, I bet.

    Real plastic here; none of that new synthetic stuff made from chicken feathers. By the morning of 9/12/2001 the people of NYC had won the War on Terror.

    by triplepoint on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 02:55:59 PM PDT

  •  The problem with elections is that your choices (0+ / 0-)

    are limited.

    If Democrats are hostile to your interests, you have little choice but to get behind somebody else.

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    by dinotrac on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 02:59:57 PM PDT

    •  I wouldn't say hostile (0+ / 0-)

      A lot of it can be understood in terms of the prisoner's dilemma. Progressives want the best outcome for everyone. Business interests however would prefer to have a better outcome for themselves even if it meant a worse outcome on the whole.

      So when they get trapped in the death spiral of blind and aggressive self-interest, they can't get out.

  •  When you align yourselves (2+ / 0-)
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    with extremists, why are you surprised when behave like extremists???

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