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The official trailer for Dreamwork's "The Fifth Estate" starring Benedict Cumberbatch as Julian Assange.

From the Daily Beast.

Julian Assange's Political Party Implodes

Julian Assange may have blown his best chance to leave the Ecuadorean Embassy and return home to Australia as a free man.

The founder of WikiLeaks, who has been holed up in the Ecuador's diplomatic mission in London for over a year, is now facing another obstacle to freedom. Assange had founded the WikiLeaks Party in his native Australia in an attempt to win election to the Australian Senate; which he believes would make it more difficult for him to be extradited to Sweden where he faces sexual-assault charges. However, the party just split up in turmoil earlier this week after members of its national council discovered that Assange and his inner circle had been ignoring them and making major decisions on their own.

Under the system of proportional representation used for the Australian Senate, voters in each state can either rank specific candidates or let their first choice party do so. Considering that there are often over 50 people on the ballot, voters to tend just defer to their party. The result is frenzied negotiations between small parties and large parties to maximize their representation and avoid wasted votes.

The Wikileaks Party's national council thought it had agreed to a plan where the party would be making deals to work closely with the Australian Green Party and other left-of-center groups. Then they discovered that Assange instead had made deals with a far-right party as well as one that is militantly pro-gun. The result was a number of party members quit, including Leslie Cannold, Assange’s No. 2 in the party, and Daniel Mathews, one of his close friends from college, leaving the party divided two weeks before the election.

In an article published in the Guardian on Wednesday, Mathews uses tough language to describe the personality of Assange, who he still admires, will vote for, and considers a friend. He describes Assange as “not ... suited to a party with democratic national-council oversight” and someone who “really ought not to have set up a party with internal democracy.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

In other news, Julian Assange gives a thumbs down to "The Fifth Estate."

In an interview with Yahoo! Movies on Tuesday (before we were aware of WikiLeaks's aforementioned disapproving tweet), Condon pointed out that Cumberbatch was in touch with whistle blower Assange during much of the making of "The Fifth Estate." "Ultimately the most direct communication we had was through Benedict, who was in touch with [Assange] by e-mail," Condon said. "[Assange] refused to see him, sadly, but there was a conversation that started there and went on for most of while we were shooting the movie, and then I think has continued."

But the director also acknowledged Assange's vocal dissent. "[Assange] did issue certain proclamations even as we started shooting; he called it 'The anti-WikLeaks movie,' which it couldn't be further from the truth," Condon said. "It's a movie that does present the sides of many issues, the different sides, but when it comes to WikiLeaks, I think it's mostly a celebration of the incredible, sort of noble ideas behind it, and the idealism that it reflected, especially in its early days."

Bill Condon: 'It is about having a balance' (Photo: Paul A. Hebert/Getty Images)
Condon insists that the film offers a fair picture of Assange's organization that publicly posted classified documents, and that the dramatized version of real events illustrates WikiLeaks's global impact. "Assange tends to conflate any conversation about himself with conversation of WikiLeaks, but we really tried every day, and its been part of developing the movie and also putting it together in the editing room, this I think is a movie that asks the questions but doesn't provide the answers," the director said.

"It is about having a balance," he said, also pointing to the complex nature of a similar case in the news: CIA operative Edward Snowden, who leaked details of several top-secret U.S. and British government mass surveillance programs to the press. "It's very hard to come down cleanly on one side or the other because they are so complicated. And I think Assange himself might be surprised at that. This is in no way to my mind an attack on him. And certainly Benedict has no interest in playing something that wasn't going to try to, you know ... He's a great actor, and he saw his job as trying to get inside the mind and soul of this person."

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  •  Tip Jar (26+ / 0-)

    "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

    by FiredUpInCA on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 07:40:51 PM PDT

  •  Julian Assange (4+ / 0-)

    is just another macho, dead-end "radical," after all, who will fade into oblivion with the rest of them.

    Too bad.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 07:54:31 PM PDT

  •  the RW appeals to ego (10+ / 0-)

    All those people who think they're smarter, tougher, and braver than everyone else think that they're more likely to make it big and bigger in the Wild West than in societies allegedly designed to protect the weak at the expense of the glory of the strong.

    It shows they have absolutely no understanding about what systems do for everyone: weak and strong alike.

    War Nerd: changed the way I think. Free stuff here & here

    by Visceral on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 08:07:45 PM PDT

  •  Color me unsurprised. (18+ / 0-)

    The screaming narcissistic hypocrisy has been evident for awhile, and now this.

    A shame really and frustrating. His behavior betrays the very ideals he proclaimed. I guess transparency is just for "other" people.

    Thanks.

    There is something in us that refuses to be regarded as less than human. We are created for freedom - Archbishop Desmond Tutu

    by Onomastic on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 08:10:04 PM PDT

  •  Who could have known?™ (3+ / 0-)

    Righteousness is a wide path. Self-righteousness is a bullhorn and a blindfold.

    by Murphoney on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 08:28:36 PM PDT

  •  While I understand that deriding (5+ / 0-)

    Assange is the goal of this diary, an implosion of the Wikileaks Party is helpful to whose interests? I don't follow Australian politics,so I wonder if anyone knows.
     

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 08:29:03 PM PDT

    •  Unclear whether Greens or Far Right will benefit (15+ / 0-)
      Just two days after Wikileaks Party Senate candidate for Victoria, Julian Assange, raised eyebrows by praising US anti-abortion politicians Ron Paul and Senator Rand Paul, the Wikileaks Party revealed a new attempt to appeal to the far Right.

      In official election tickets lodged with the Australian Electoral Commission, they have said they want the fascist Australia First Party, the pro-shooting-in-National-Parks Shooters and Fishers Party , and the “mens rights activist” Non-Custodial Parents Party to win a seat instead of the Australian Greens.

      In New South Wales, if you take the easy option and just tick the Wikileaks Party box in the Senate, and if they don’t win, your vote will go to those three right-wing parties before it goes to the Greens. One of the parties Assange is preferencing above the Greens, the Shooters and Fishers Party, already has two members serving in the State parliament in New South Wales today, who got elected by taking advantage of other parties’ votes. (See here for more background detail on how Australia’s complex system of interlocking preference deals can get tiny parties elected).

      This decision has provoked open hostility from the Greens on Twitter. Greens NSW State parliamentarian Jeremy Buckingham attacked the decision early in the day, and Greens Senator from Western Australia, Scott Ludlam, who has staunchly stood up for Assange’s legal rights despite Assange being wanted for questioning on sexual assault matters in Sweden, also regards Wikileaks’ decision to preference him below the National Party in Western Australia as hostile.

      Wikileaks Party candidate Gerry Georgatos, who defended this decision, said that the National Party is defintely not going to win a seat in WA, and therefore the Greens will get to use Wikileaks Party votes. However there is a strong argument against that position, and Ludlam rejects it, saying Georgatos has risked handing control of the Senate to the conservative Liberal/National Coalition.

      http://ausvotes2013.com/...

      "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

      by FiredUpInCA on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 08:54:56 PM PDT

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    •  It's not clear that they have "imploded" (2+ / 0-)
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      in the sense of losing support in the polls, not that they were polling very high to begin with. They might still win some seats, or none.

      As I pointed out below, the preferences thing should be understood in the context of a small party doing what they thought they needed to do to win, and other members of the party disagreeing about the internal decision making process.

  •  They were always Paulites. (14+ / 0-)

    It will be interesting to watch all sides to distinguish between freedom-of-information progressives,  anti-government anarchists, anti-government libertarians, national security conservatives, anti-government strict constructionists, anti-government religionists, national security religionists, anti-religous libertarians, anti-government office-holders and whomever else.

    In the mean time, while this battle continues, let's not forget that the rich still want everything and more, and are steadily advancing toward that goal.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10 UID: 8519

    by Bob Love on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 09:18:02 PM PDT

  •  Australian Broadcasting Corporation (7+ / 0-)

    ...has a ist of the Senate Group Voting Tickets.

    And here are the Wikileaks Party preferences for Victoria:
    Group AA: The Wikileaks Party
    Preferences     Candidate     Party
    1     Julian ASSANGE     The Wikileaks Party
    2     Leslie CANNOLD     The Wikileaks Party
    3     Binoy KAMPMARK     The Wikileaks Party
    4     Joseph MILES     Pirate Party Australia
    5     Geoffrey David HAMMETT     Pirate Party Australia
    6     Bruce POON     Animal Justice Party
    7     Sarah DAVISON     Animal Justice Party
    8     Fiona PATTEN     Australian Sex Party
    9     Ange HOPKINS     Australian Sex Party
    10     Peter William WHELAN     Liberal Democratic Party
    11     Tim WILMS     Liberal Democratic Party
    12     Greg CHIPP     Drug Law Reform Australia
    13     John SHERMAN     Drug Law Reform Australia
    14     Lloyd TAYLOR     Senator OnLine
    15     Tony SMITH     Senator OnLine
    16     Matt RILEY     Help End Marijuana Prohibition
    17     Ryan William FLETCHER     Help End Marijuana Prohibition
    18     John L PERKINS     Secular Party of Australia
    19     Rosemary Elizabeth SCEATS     Secular Party of Australia
    20     David COLLYER     Australian Democrats
    21     Roger HOWE     Australian Democrats
    22     Sarina ISGRO     Australian Democrats
    23     Greg RAINES     Australian Democrats
    24     Robert LIVESAY     Australian Democrats
    25     Richard GRUMMET     Australian Democrats
    26     Roger Hugh THORROWGOOD     Stop CSG Party
    27     Adele VAN ROSMALEN     Stop CSG Party
    28     Peter CONSANDINE     Republican Party Australia
    29     Clinton PORTORS     Republican Party Australia
    30     Mark ERWOOD     Bullet Train for Australia
    31     Steve PHILLIPS     Bullet Train for Australia
    32     Lyn GUNTER     Independent
    33     Darrell Scott MORRISON     Independent
    34     Samantha SHAW     Australian Independents
    35     Yvonne WOOD     Australian Independents
    36     Maria Marcia RIGONI     Bank Reform Party
    37     Paul RIGONI     Bank Reform Party
    38     Patrick O'CONNOR     Socialist Equality Party
    39     Tania BAPTIST     Socialist Equality Party
    40     Darren EVANS     Building Australia
    41     Samuel WHITE     Building Australia
    42     Ricky MUIR     Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party
    43     Craig A GILL     Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party
    44     Clifford HAYES     Stable Population Party
    45     Jill QUIRK     Stable Population Party
    46     Abe SALT     Smokers Rights Party
    47     Janos BEREGSZASZI     Smokers Rights Party
    48     Immanuel SHMUEL     Australian Voice Party
    49     Vern HUGHES     Australian Voice Party
    50     Joe ZAMMIT     Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
    51     Richard ABELA     Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
    52     Janet RICE     Greens
    53     Trent Mark McCARTHY     Greens
    54     Thi Viet Huong TRUONG     Greens
    55     Ian J CHRISTOE     Greens
    56     Gurm SEKHON     Greens
    57     Robert HUMPHREYS     Greens
    58     Gavin MARSHALL     Australian Labor Party
    59     Jacinta COLLINS     Australian Labor Party
    60     Mehmet TILLEM     Australian Labor Party
    61     Lynn PSAILA     Australian Labor Party
    62     Terry LARKINS     Australian Labor Party
    63     Jamie MILETO     Australian Labor Party
    64     Mitch FIFIELD     Liberal Party
    65     Scott RYAN     Liberal Party
    66     Helen KROGER     Liberal Party
    67     Martin Louis CORBOY     The Nationals
    68     Ashley FENN     Family First Party
    69     Trudie MORRIS     Family First Party
    70     Andrew JONES     Country Alliance
    71     Garry KERR     Country Alliance
    72     Robert DANIELI     Katter's Australian Party
    73     David COSTABILE     Katter's Australian Party
    74     Barry MICHAEL     Palmer United Party
    75     Douglas James HAWKINS     Palmer United Party
    76     Penny Maree PALMAN     Palmer United Party
    77     Bob NICHOLLS     -
    78     Kylie NICHOLLS     -
    79     Peter WEBB     -
    80     Joseph TOSCANO     -
    81     Beth MATTHEWS     -
    82     Simon CHRISTIE     Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop the Greens)
    83     Terry DESTRY     Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop the Greens)
    84     Vickie JANSON     Australian Christian
    85     Frank PAPAFOTIOU     Australian Christian
    86     Terry MALONEY     Shooters and Fishers Party
    87     Steve MALCOLM     Shooters and Fishers Party
    88     Mark FARRELL     Democratic Labour Party
    89     Stephanie MAZZARELLA     Democratic Labour Party
    90     Chris DAWSON     No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
    91     John RODDA     No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
    92     Dale Phillip TOWNSEND     One Nation
    93     Rosalyn Lee TOWNSEND     One Nation
    94     Daniel NALLIAH     Rise Up Australia
    95     Rosalie CRESTANI     Rise Up Australia
    96     Craig ISHERWOOD     Citizens Electoral Council
    97     Robert BARWICK     Citizens Electoral Council

    And New South Wales
    Group I: The Wikileaks Party
    Preferences     Candidate     Party
    1     Kellie TRANTER     The Wikileaks Party
    2     Alison BROINOWSKI     The Wikileaks Party
    3     James JANSSON     Future Party
    4     James HAGGERTY     Future Party
    5     Brendan MOLLOY     Pirate Party Australia
    6     David CAMPBELL     Pirate Party Australia
    7     Graeme DUNNE     Australian Sex Party
    8     Sue RAYE     Australian Sex Party
    9     Gordon Graham FRASER     Stop CSG Party
    10     Lynda Susan DEAN     Stop CSG Party
    11     Ronaldo VILLAVER     Australian Democrats
    12     Andrew WALLACE     Australian Democrats
    13     BJ FUTTER     Help End Marijuana Prohibition
    14     Jason OLBOURNE     Help End Marijuana Prohibition
    15     David LEYONHJELM     Liberal Democratic Party
    16     Jeffrey Marc PETTETT     Liberal Democratic Party
    17     Mark PEARSON     Animal Justice Party
    18     Kate VICKERS     Animal Justice Party
    19     Peter SIMONDS     Uniting Australia Party
    20     Tanya WATT     Uniting Australia Party
    21     Shayne HIGSON     Voluntary Euthanasia Party
    22     Loredana MULHALL     Voluntary Euthanasia Party
    23     Miles HUNT     Drug Law Reform Australia
    24     Tony TRIMINGHAM     Drug Law Reform Australia
    25     Bradley TANKS     Australian Independents
    26     Stephen HIRST     Australian Independents
    27     Tim BOHM     Bullet Train for Australia
    28     Charlotte Rebecca GLICK     Bullet Train for Australia
    29     Criselee STEVENS     Australian Voice Party
    30     Keith FRANCIS     Australian Voice Party
    31     Richard BLACK     Australian Voice Party
    32     Ray BROWN     Building Australia
    33     Melanie SYMINGTON     Building Australia
    34     Tom WANG     -
    35     Daniel O'TOOLE     -
    36     Darrell WALLBRIDGE     Australia First Party
    37     Garth FRASER     Australia First Party
    38     Nick BEAMS     Socialist Equality Party
    39     Zac HAMBIDES     Socialist Equality Party
    40     Andrew WHALAN     -
    41     Peter Grant COOPER     -
    42     Kerry McNALLY     Republican Party Australia
    43     Jason BLAKE     Republican Party Australia
    44     Tim FERGUSON     Senator OnLine
    45     Tony BARRY     Senator OnLine
    46     Don McKINNON     Senator OnLine
    47     MaryLou CARTER     Carers Alliance
    48     Maree BUCKWALTER     Carers Alliance
    49     Karl Alexander HOUSEMAN     Shooters and Fishers Party
    50     Jim MUIRHEAD     Shooters and Fishers Party
    51     Bob LOWE     Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
    52     Tim DEAN     Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
    53     Andy THOMPSON     Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
    54     Josh THOMPSON     Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)
    55     Gary MYERS     Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party
    56     Daniel KIRKNESS     Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party
    57     Cate FAEHRMANN     Greens
    58     James RYAN     Greens
    59     Penny BLATCHFORD     Greens
    60     Christina HO     Greens
    61     Amanda FINDLEY     Greens
    62     Ben SPIES-BUTCHER     Greens
    63     Bob CARR     Australian Labor Party
    64     Doug CAMERON     Australian Labor Party
    65     Ursula STEPHENS     Australian Labor Party
    66     Glenn KOLOMEITZ     Australian Labor Party
    67     Nuatali NELMES     Australian Labor Party
    68     Bhupinder Kumar CHHIBBER     Australian Labor Party
    69     Fiona ROSSITER     Family First Party
    70     Stan HURLEY     Family First Party
    71     Simon McCAFFREY     Democratic Labour Party
    72     Daniel John HANNA     Democratic Labour Party
    73     Marise PAYNE     Liberal Party
    74     John WILLIAMS     The Nationals
    75     Arthur SINODINOS     Liberal Party
    76     Alan HAY     The Nationals
    77     Carolyn CAMERON     Liberal Party
    78     Angus CAMERON     Liberal Party
    79     Mark GRECH     Australian Protectionist Party
    80     Christian JOHNS     Australian Protectionist Party
    81     Jim McILROY     Socialist Alliance
    82     Reg DARE     Socialist Alliance
    83     Matthew ADAMSON     Palmer United Party
    84     Suellen Marree WRIGHTSON     Palmer United Party
    85     Rick OBRIEN     Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop the Greens)
    86     Joaquim Eduardo DE LIMA     Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop the Greens)
    87     Nicole BEIGER     Smokers Rights Party
    88     James Peter WHELAN     Smokers Rights Party
    89     William BOURKE     Stable Population Party
    90     Kris SPIKE     Stable Population Party
    91     Ian BRYCE     Secular Party of Australia
    92     Christopher OWEN     Secular Party of Australia
    93     Peter James MAILLER     Katter's Australian Party
    94     Tony MAKA     Katter's Australian Party
    95     Bill KOUTALIANOS     No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
    96     Mijina McDOWALL     No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
    97     Robyn PEEBLES     Christian Democratic Party
    98     Deborah LIONS     Christian Democratic Party
    99     Peter RAHME     Christian Democratic Party
    100     Caroline Margaret FRASER     Christian Democratic Party
    101     Ross CLIFFORD     Christian Democratic Party
    102     Norm BISHOP     Rise Up Australia
    103     Wayne SOMERFIELD     Rise Up Australia
    104     Ron POULSEN     -
    105     David ASH     Independent
    106     Sam NATHAN     Independent
    107     John La MELA     Independent
    108     Pauline HANSON     One Nation
    109     Kate MCCULLOCH     One Nation
    110     Aaron PLUMB     One Nation

    Wikileaks Party is not listed in Queensland.

    Western Australia
    Group L: The Wikileaks Party
    Preferences     Candidate     Party
    1     Gerry GEORGATOS     The Wikileaks Party
    2     Suresh RAJAN     The Wikileaks Party
    3     Wayne DROPULICH     Australian Sports Party
    4     Al LACKOVIC     Australian Sports Party
    5     Katrina LOVE     Animal Justice Party
    6     Alicia SUTTON     Animal Justice Party
    7     Chris FERNANDEZ     Australian Democrats
    8     William THIEL     Australian Democrats
    9     David WIRRPANDA     The Nationals
    10     David EAGLES     The Nationals
    11     Scott LUDLAM     Greens
    12     Kate DAVIS     Greens
    13     Adam Nathan DUNCAN     Greens
    14     Peter SYMONDS     Socialist Equality Party
    15     Joe LOPEZ     Socialist Equality Party
    16     Anthony James FELS     Katter's Australian Party
    17     Susan HODDINOTT     Katter's Australian Party
    18     Michael BALDERSTONE     Help End Marijuana Prohibition
    19     Tayla MOYLAN     Help End Marijuana Prohibition
    20     Jim FRYAR     Liberal Democratic Party
    21     Neil HAMILTON     Liberal Democratic Party
    22     Daryl HIGGINS     Australian Independents
    23     Patricia IRVING     Australian Independents
    24     Richie HOWLETT     Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party
    25     Sharon YOUNG     Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party
    26     Robert Malcolm FARMER     One Nation
    27     Jay EDWARDS     Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
    28     Ross FINLAYSON     Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
    29     Joe BULLOCK     Australian Labor Party
    30     Louise PRATT     Australian Labor Party
    31     Peter Allan FOSTER     Australian Labor Party
    32     Suliman Mohamed ALI     Australian Labor Party
    33     Edward ATKINS     Secular Party of Australia
    34     Simon Andrew CUTHBERT     Secular Party of Australia
    35     Jamie van BURGEL     Australian Christian
    36     Justin MOSELEY     Australian Christian
    37     Steve PALMER     Australian Sex Party
    38     Mark COLEMAN     Australian Sex Party
    39     Brian W PARKES     Australian Voice Party
    40     Sean BUTLER     Australian Voice Party
    41     David JOHNSTON     Liberal Party
    42     Michaelia CASH     Liberal Party
    43     Linda REYNOLDS     Liberal Party
    44     Slade BROCKMAN     Liberal Party
    45     Steven THOMAS     Liberal Party
    46     Chris OUGHTON     Liberal Party
    47     Zhenya WANG     Palmer United Party
    48     Chamonix TERBLANCHE     Palmer United Party
    49     Linda ROSE     Family First Party
    50     Henry HENG     Family First Party
    51     David FISHLOCK     Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop the Greens)
    52     Kim Alexander KINNINMONT     Outdoor Recreation Party (Stop the Greens)
    53     Peter STRACHAN     Stable Population Party
    54     John BANKS     Stable Population Party
    55     Adrian BYASS     No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
    56     Heather DEWAR     No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics
    57     Jane FOREMAN     Rise Up Australia
    58     Joanne BENNETT     Rise Up Australia
    59     Max KATZ-BARBER     Smokers Rights Party
    60     Daniel DI RADO     Smokers Rights Party
    61     Murray BOW     Shooters and Fishers Party
    62     John David PARKES     Shooters and Fishers Party

    Not listed in South Australia

    Not listed in Tasmania

    Not listed in Australian Capital Territory

    Not listed in Northern Territory

    Can we say that the US publication The Daily Beast is full of shit?

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 09:24:37 PM PDT

  •  It's disappointing, but it doesn't change the fact (5+ / 0-)

    that we needed what Wikileaks leaked.  I'm proud as hell to be a Wikileaks donor.  If not for Manning and Assange, we would never have seen this:

    If you haven't seen this, you really ought to take the time to watch the whole thing just once.  It's not pleasant.  It's a reminder of what our lovely government can do and then try to hide from us.

  •  I think you are misunderstanding what happened (5+ / 0-)

    This isn't about personal allegiance with the right, but an internal dispute within the party.

    Assange and a couple other members of the party leadership wanted to choose "preferences" based on what they thought would give them the best chance to win, rather than based on ideology. If you look at the list posted a couple comments above, for instance, you'll that Assange's preferences are actually quite liberal. However, in another part of the country, a different candidate preferenced right-wing parties over liberal ones in some cases.

    Another faction within the party disagreed with this approach, and it created an internal dispute about process and who gets to make the decisions. Apparently Assange's father, John Shipton, made an attempt to "go around" the other members, and some of them resigned in protest.

    However, I don't really think it's correct to draw the conclusion from this that Wikileaks or Assange are right-wingers. If you watch the TV series Assange produced last year and who he chose to interview, it's pretty much a who's who of the political left: Noam Chomsky, Slavoj Žižek, Tariq Ali, Jacob Applebaum, David Graeber and other members of Occupy Wall Street, Rafael Correa. It seems hard to square the idea that Assange is right-wing with that set of choices.

    •  I read the diary twice, and that's what it says (2+ / 0-)
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      betterdemsonly, FiredUpInCA
      However, the party just split up in turmoil earlier this week after members of its national council discovered that Assange and his inner circle had been ignoring them and making major decisions on their own.
      The point is there was a lack of communication and cooperation, and the result was an internal split, and part of the dispute was his behind-the-curtain deal-making with the right wingers which pissed off the ones who quit. Maybe they were pissed because it was with right-wingers, maybe they were pissed because he didn't tell then what he was planning and went around them. Sounds like a little of both.

      I don't see where it drew the conclusion that Assange himself is a right winger. Nor does the label really matter in my opinion.

      For me it was his praise of Ron and Rand Paul and statements saying they are the only hope for the United States that told me all I need to know about his politics.

      Which is, charitably, that he's hopelessly confused or wildly out of touch. Whatever his personal views may be, they don't seem to easily fit into any preset category. But really why does that matter? I don't care what he is labeled or why he thinks that Rand Paul and Ron Paul are the leaders we need or what he might call himself politically -- it means he's not someone who I'd ever vote for in any situation (if I had the chance to), and he's not someone I am going to take seriously in terms of his political opinions.

      Wikileaks is his business, not him, but how much are its decisions driven by his personal politics? I don't know, but it means at the least to keep in mind their possible political agenda(s) in what they do, and what they post, and what they don't choose to post as well.

      They have said many times that they also keep secrets and don't post or share everything. So it comes down to, they think they should be in charge of deciding what the public knows and doesn't know, rather than elected governments. I am really not sure I agree with that, although I do agree they have served a useful purpose and some of what they have posted has had good outcomes (from my point of view) in some cases. But that may be a coincidence rather than his goal.  

    •  Assange picked the neo-Nazi party for crying (2+ / 0-)
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      CS in AZ, Cassandra Waites

      out loud.
      You say, "He chose 'preferences' based on winning rather than ideology", well is there NO line he won't cross?  He picked the Australia First Party which is the neo-Nazi party of Australia.  Come on, now.

      What you're saying this that Assange is a sociopath.  Has no scruples, no morals.  Well, that would be in keeping with past behavior (e.g. things he's said about women; things he's done TO women; releasing private emails of climate change scientists, thus begetting the foul "climatgate" fake scandal).  Siding with neo-Nazis for what he thinks will give him electoral advantage is more despicable, sociopathic behavior.

      And I think you're being generous; I think he does believe in much of what the far right is about, as evidenced by his endorsement of Rand Paul.

  •  hmm (0+ / 0-)

    Do you have any links from say from Australia? You can embrace Daily Beast as a credible source? cool..
    Then you respect folks that take say The Guardian as a credible source.. jist askin...

    ashes...ashes..we all fall down...

    •  Follow the links. It goes directly to the source (3+ / 0-)

      The link in this diary goes to Daily Beast, which links to the story in The Guardian, which is a repost from the original blog written by the person in Australia who resigned, wherein he explains at great length why he quit and what it's about.

      STATEMENT OF RESIGNATION FROM WIKILEAKS PARTY NATIONAL COUNCIL

      It's long, and interesting reading.

      Here is a key line from what he said.

      I know I may be criticised for jumping ship instead of weathering the storm. But the public, and especially the party’s supporters, deserve to know what happened and what has happened behind the scenes in this fiasco within the party of transparency, and I have decided that this is the best course of action.
      This is so ironic, isn't it?

      Anyway, you asked for Australian sources and questioned the veracity of the Daily Beast story, so there you go. The source post is long but worth reading if you have the time. I'm still working my way through it.

      •  Still just one guy's opinion though (1+ / 0-)
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        JohnWKelly

        recounting his side of an inter-party dispute. Anyone who has ever tried to run a small organization or company can probably relate to the fact that this kind of stuff tends to happen. People have different agendas and sometimes it doesn't work out.

        It sounds like Assange is an erratic manager and delegated too much authority to his dad, who didn't get along with the other Australian Wikileaks people.

        But I hardly see that as damning to Wikileaks overall and what they do.

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