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While  reading through the pages of Truthdig the other day I came across this comment below posted by Jack Gabel:

“origins of Al Qaeda and the 9/11 memory still shackle their minds – either they’re unwitting useful fools or rich assets – jihadi terrorism is a product of western intelligence – it’s their Arab Foreign Legion – it’s not blow back nor incompetence – convenient cover”

Gabel went on to say:

“they want nothing but chaotic failed states – the war criminals running the western so-called democracies carry water for the global finance oligarchy,”

The same Corporate Media that apologized for beating the drums of war that took us into Iraq are now as we speak pounding those same drums to drive us into Syria and then on to Iran.  MSNBC, FOX, CNN all dutifully broadcasted   the carefully arranged bodies of woman and children  “allegedly”  killed by chemical attacks by the Syrian military.  MSNBC’s Chris Hayes to his credit stated that this amateurish cell phone video and all claims came straight from the so-called Rebels and they (MSNBC) had no way of verifying the validly of the video or the Rebel’s statements: yet he and all the other cable stations repeated the gruesome footage all day on a Rev. Jeremiah Wright, type loop.

With the CIA finally after all these years declassifying files that confirms that they along with the company that now calls itself BP did indeed overthrow Iran’s Democratically elected government (Mossadegh) in 1953 for daring to nationalize their own oil.   The push toward conflict with Syria should be seen as clearing the way to retake Iran.

Even though some in the Corporate Media can still smell a “false-flag” operation like the assignation attempt on a Saudi Arabian Ambassador a while back by the Iranians they did the bidding  of their corporate masters any way and repeatedly broadcasted  the allegations anyway.
At no point was there any attempt to “investigate” the story  or question the source.

"Israel insists that the Syrian government did it. The Times of Israel reported that Israel Defense Force intelligence was listening in on Syrian leadership during the chemical weapons attack. The article went on to claim that the source of most of the information that U.S. has about Syria is Israeli—which is a devastating claim, if true, since Israel is the country that wants a war between the U.S. and Syria’s ally, Iran, and with Hezbollah. Has the U.S. government no better intelligence in this matter than what it gets secondhand from Israel, the country that has a vital interest in promoting an expanded war?"

The same thing can be said about this latest accusation by the Rebels that the Syrian Military has yet again used chemical weapons on it’s own people.  Bashar al-Assad’s forces hold 14 of Syria’s 15 cities. Assad knows that the West by drawing this so-called “red line” is itching to re-colonize Syria and put him to death just as they did Gaddafi in Libya using the same Saudi backed Islamic fanatics as cover.

Patrick  Cockburn of the “Independent writes:
“The evidence so far for the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian army is second-hand and comes from a biased source”
Cockburn goes on to say:

“Like the Iraqi opposition to Saddam, who provided most of the evidence of WMDs, the Syrian opposition has every incentive to show the Syrian government deploying chemical weapons in order to trigger foreign intervention.”    

When Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people and killed countless Iranians with chemicals who supplied him with these WMD's? We did. Is it so far fetched to assume we (the West) would do it again in Syria?  It's not like we (the West) do not have a history of starting civil wars in that region. Recall what Move On called General David Petraeus out for: arming both sides in Iraq to maintain chaos while we extract the oil.


I just learned today that the Obama administration is planing "surgical" strikes with cruise missile  inside of Syria: shades of Libya!  

Gulf On Tonkin
WMD's in Iraq

Abraham Lincoln once said “you can fool some of the people some of the time; all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time!



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  •  Yeah but.. (6+ / 0-)

    It merits a "serious response."

    David Cameron and Barack Obama moved the west closer to military intervention in Syria on Saturday as they agreed that last week's alleged chemical weapon attacks by the Assad regime had taken the crisis into a new phase that merited a "serious response".

    In a phone call that lasted 40 minutes, the two leaders are understood to have concluded that the regime of Bashar al-Assad was almost certainly responsible for the assault that is believed to have killed as many as 1,400 people in Damascus in the middle of last week. Cameron was speaking from his holiday in Cornwall.

    "Differences in political opinion are as unavoidable as, to a certain point, they may perhaps be necessary." George Washington

    by civil wingnut on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 06:46:44 PM PDT

  •  Sure. (2+ / 0-)
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    I mean civilians get gassed by their government as virtually all reporters on te ground seem agreed.  I mean why bother with doing anything.  Maybe we should ship Assad some Zyklon B.  

    Never again my ass.  More like "we can't be bothered"

  •  I don't think it's OK to use CT about Al Qaeda... (2+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster, Sky Net make the skeptics' case about Syria.  It's explicitly not permitted here to say, which includes sympathetically quoting, "jihadi terrorism is a product of Western intelligence." Several people have been banned for that.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 07:20:47 PM PDT

    •  It is? It's a fact that Al Qaeda was created (18+ / 0-)

      by among others the CIA and the State Dept.  It's was part of Brezinski's plan to bring down the Soviet Union via Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires.  There are many other examples of it.
      Am I going to get banned?  

      "America is the Terror State. The Global War OF Terror is a diabolical instrument of Worldwide conquest."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 07:46:34 PM PDT

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      •  Facts!? Bah! Down the CT memory hole with 'em. n/t (6+ / 0-)

        The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ☮ ♥ ☺

        by lotlizard on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 09:00:07 PM PDT

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      •  I think we all agree the CIA was instrumental in (1+ / 0-)
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        creating the group that was to become al  Qaeda.  But it's the CIA's intent for what actions the group was to take that is becoming a bit muddled by the diary.

        I wish I could find the Jack Gabel comments the diarist is talking about (at least to find out who "they" is) for a little more context.  But Gabel seemed to say the CIA did it intentional to help create more unstable nations.   I  find it difficult to parse the phrases and partial sentences of his quoted comment.

        I did some googling but could not get any hits of the original  comments.

        I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

        by Satya1 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 10:10:59 PM PDT

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        •  The "they" that Jack Gabel (0+ / 0-)

          refers to in his comment seems to be the "war criminals running the so-called western democracies carrying water for the global oligarchy".  whats not to understand?  

          "they want nothing but chaotic failed states – the war criminals running the western so-called democracies carry water for the global finance oligarchy,”"

          •  Many thanks for the link (0+ / 0-)

            Yeah, I caught the implied meaning of the "they" from the diary.  But since the diarist creates a break between the two paragraphs, it isn't clear what she may have left out.  And since it doesn't look like a whole quote, maybe Gabel followed convention and identified the subject first before referring to the subject later as "they".

            Thanks for the whole quote.  It's a lot of poorly constructed language that almost "sounds" like the pressured speech of an individual having a manic episode.

            I'm actually sympathetic to the main theme Gabel seems to present, but if there was even just a bit more nuance it would help it read more realistically and less like a CT rant.

            I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

            by Satya1 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 07:01:49 AM PDT

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      •  The quote goes beyond that, though. (0+ / 0-)

        The quote explicitly says that it's not blowback, but a continuing plan. You can say a lot here, but you can't say that here.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:32:24 AM PDT

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      •  Not all "jihadi terrorism" was created by the west (0+ / 0-)

        Pakistan did their part.
        This multivalent "proxy war" is at least as old as the "Great Game" and WWI.
        However, we did much.
        It's possible that this attack was done by the Assad Regime, Hezbollah, a "loose cannon" in the Syrian Army, al Qaeda, Israeli proxies, or other players in the war.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:32:30 AM PDT

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    •  Ever heard of Operation Cyclone? (8+ / 0-)

      Here's an article from 1998 showing the connections between Islamist terrorist groups and the CIA. These terrorist groups had originally been created by the CIA with the ISI of Pakistan and the Saudi's. The US spent over 4 billion dollars on this program. The US even funded books for the madrases where the groups recruited new members from.

      Terror 'blowback' burns CIA
      America's spies paid and trained their nation's worst enemies, reveals Andrew Marshall in Washington

      Andrew Marshall
      Sunday 01 November 1998

      THE CENTRAL Intelligence Agency has its own argot for describing the hallucinatory world within which its employees move. None of its esoteric terms are more euphemistic than "blowback", the term coined to describe operations which end up rebounding against their creators.

      But as the Americans slowly unravel the international network surrounding Osama bin Laden, the man they blame for the embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, "blowback" is exactly what they are finding.

      Last week, it was revealed that one of those under arrest is a former Egyptian soldier named Ali Mohamed, who is alleged to have provided training and assistance to Mr bin Laden's operatives. Yet Mr Mohamed, it is clear from his record, was working for the US government at the time he provided the training: he was a Green Beret, part of America's Special Forces.

      Mr Mohamed's arrest seems to be part of a pattern, as the US slowly moves towards the realisation that many of those now arrayed against it with Mr bin Laden were once its allies in the war in Afghanistan. The two sides turned against each other as the war in Afghanistan unwound, and America, not Russia, came to be seen as the enemy.

      •  Did any of those who watched the video (3+ / 0-)
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        at the link I posted above notice those white Toyota pick-ups that the black flag loyalists were driving at the beginning of the video?

        Remind you of anything from Afghanistan?

        I guess it's pure coincidence.

        Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

        by truong son traveler on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 08:33:52 PM PDT

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        •  that video is apparently of a group of (0+ / 0-)

          Iraqi militants executing the 3 Alawites (your initial asssessment in your first comment was generally correct)

          (unsure of the level of confirmation, but this is from several highly reputable M.E. journalists (not the crap we get in the west)

      •  As I told Al, the quote goes beyond that. (0+ / 0-)

        The quote says AQ isn't blowback from something past, it's a continuing project of the Western oligarchies.  .

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:33:09 AM PDT

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      •  Thank you Claudius for doing something (0+ / 0-)

        the corporate media seems unable or un willing to do; provide "details (names, dates and places).

        You mentioned "Blow Back"; Jack Gabel's comments seem even more terrifying:

        " it’s their Arab Foreign Legion – it’s not blow back nor incompetence – convenient cover”"

        What if  "blow back" is part of the "new world order"?

    •  It is a common "fact" that 15 (6+ / 0-)

      of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from our deep pocket ally Saudi Arabia.  Charley Wilson's War was bank rolled by the Saudi's and the CIA.  Egypt's present day coup is also being mostly funded by Saudi Arabia.

    •  All Leads Back to the Mujahideen (6+ / 0-)

      Unfortunately, the American efforts funding the Afghan mujahideen insurgency against the Soviet-supported Afghan government and Soviet advisors generated quite a bit of blow back after the Soviets left and their Afghan government collapsed.  The US decided to walk away from Charlie Wilson's War because it was going to cost a coupla million dollars a year, which allowed Al Qaeda to gain influence with the Taliban.  Nobody said that the Western intelligence services actively created Al Qaeda, but their ineptness certainly allowed it to secure influence it otherwise shouldn't have gained.  Sometimes incompetence can be just as deadly as anything else.

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 08:15:14 PM PDT

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      •  It was more than simply "ineptness". The CIA (2+ / 0-)
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        actively recruited, supported and financed people very close to Bin Laden.

        See the link in my post above:

        •  Ineptness Followed Later (0+ / 0-)

          The CIA's ineptness followed after the fall of the Soviet-supported regime and the withdrawal of the Soviet forces from Afghanistan.  When the US was acting as the paymaster for the insurgency, we had some control over the situation.  Once we decided we weren't interested in the Afghan situation, Al Qaeda was given a chance to extend its influence.  It was US disinterest - not its involvement - in the Taliban and Al Qaeda which enable the latter to harden its control in Afghanistan and the western provinces of Pakistan.  The fact that the CIA was involved in the initial creation (pre-1989) of Al Qaeda means relatively little, because they lost control after 1989, which I am sure they thought would never happen, and the ability to influence Al Qaeda's direction post-Soviet withdrawal.  Of course, some people might argue that the CIA was involved right up to 2001, but the history would seem to argue otherwise.

          "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

          by PrahaPartizan on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:38:25 AM PDT

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      •  Here's more detailed information (1+ / 0-)
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        Late 1984: Bin Laden and His Mentor Azzam Set Up Precursor Organization to Al-Qaeda

        Osama bin Laden, Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, bin Laden’s mentor, and Abdullah Anas, Azzam’s son-in-law, create an organization called Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK), known in English as the Services Office. It is also known as Al-Kifah. This organization will become a key node in the private funding network for the Afghan war. [Bergen, 2006, pp. 28-30] The US government will later call it the “precursor organization to al-Qaeda.” [9/11 Commission, 8/21/2004, pp. 89 pdf file] Initially, Azzam runs it while bin Laden funds it. They create a guesthouse in Peshawar, Pakistan, to help foreign volunteers connect with rebel forces in Afghanistan. Prior to this time, the number of such volunteers is very small, perhaps only several dozen. But the number begins to dramatically expand. [New York Times, 1/14/2001; Bergen, 2006, pp. 28-30] Donors will include the Saudi intelligence agency, the Saudi Red Crescent, the Muslim World League, and private donors, including Saudi princes. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/23/2001] MAK/Al-Kifah begins fundraising in the US one year later (see 1985-1989).

        1985-1989: Precursor to Al-Qaeda Puts Down US Roots

        Makhtab al-Khidamat offices in the US in the late 1980s. Some of the offices in fact were represented by single individuals.Makhtab al-Khidamat offices in the US in the late 1980s. Some of the offices in fact were represented by single individuals. Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, bin Laden’s mentor, makes repeated trips to the US and other countries, building up his Pakistan-based organization, Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK), or “Services Office” in English. It is also known as Al-Kifah, which means “struggle.” Azzam founded the Al-Kifah/MAK in 1984 (see Late 1984). Branches open in over 30 US cities, as Muslim-Americans donate millions of dollars to support the Afghan war against the Soviet Union. The most important branch, called the Al-Kifah Refugee Center, opens in Brooklyn, New York (see 1986-1993). Azzam is assassinated in a car bomb attack in late 1989 (see November 24, 1989). Bin Laden soon takes over the organization, which effectively morphs into al-Qaeda. His followers take over the US offices and they become financial conduits for al-Qaeda operations.

  •  Syrian Government Involvement Makes No Sense (7+ / 0-)

    The Syrian government had just allowed an international team into Syria so they could investigate prior claims of chemical weapons use.  Why would a government enabling international observers to be on their soil while conducting a chemical weapons strike?  Asking that dastardly question "Cui bono?", one gets led to believing that the insurgents would benefit from such an incident more than the Assad government.  The reports I've read about the incident seem to indicate that the strike involved a limited number of chemical warheads fired singly by rocket from at least two different locations.  A government-sponsored strike would seemingly have involved multiple weapons with artillery, since it could be more precisely targeted.  Since the Syrian insurgents could just as easily procured a limited number of chemical weapons and they would benefit from the incident, their involvement in this situation is at least as plausible, if not more so, than the Assad regime's.  The Assad regime is not one to support, but is supporting an insurgency which just might have displayed a practiced callousness equal to the Assad regime's past acts a wise trade-off?

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 08:32:03 PM PDT

  •  Those people could have been brought in from (1+ / 0-)
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    another location. Like from bombed buildings. If you have ever participated in recovery, you would see the same type of scene. People will be shaking from brain injury and others would look as though they just went to sleep. Seems to me, if chemical weapons had been used, there would be many more people then the ones we see over and over again on tv. How many did you see, 30 to 40  people? I am not falling for this bs. I don't believe chemical weapons were used at all.

  •  Excellent overview of origins of Syrian conflict (3+ / 0-)
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    Who’s Turning Syria’s Civil War Into a Jihad?
    The West, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia all have their own angles in the conflict—but Salafism and anarchy may be the big winners.
    By Philip Giraldi • February 28, 2013

    The tale of what is going on in Syria reads something like this: an insurgency active since March 2011 has been funded and armed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar and allowed to operate out of Turkey with the sometimes active, but more often passive, connivance of a number of Western powers, including Britain, France, Germany, and the United States. The intention was to overthrow the admittedly dictatorial Bashar al-Assad quickly and replace him with a more representative government composed largely of Syrians-in-exile drawn from the expat communities in Europe and the United States. The largely ad hoc political organization that was the counterpart to the Free Syrian Army ultimately evolved into the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces (Syrian National Coalition) in November 2012, somewhat reminiscent of Ahmad Chalabi and the ill-starred Iraqi National Congress. As in the lead-up to regime change in Iraq, the exiles successfully exploited anti-Syrian sentiment among leading politicians in Washington and Europe while skillfully manipulating the media narrative to suggest that the al-Assad regime was engaging in widespread atrocities and threatening to destabilize its neighbors, most notably Lebanon. As in the case of Iraq, Syria’s possession of weapons of mass destruction was introduced into the indictment of al-Assad and cited as a regional threat.

  •  Yup, the truth is up for grabs at the moment (0+ / 0-)

    and it seems our main hope right now is for UN inspectors to sort out the evidence.  Personally I think the military, national security and Obama are fully aware of this possibility of a staged chemical attack by rebels.

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 09:50:50 PM PDT

  •  Zbigniew Brzezinski on Syria: (5+ / 0-)
    Published on Jun 14, 2013

    6/14/13 - During a discussion about Syria on Friday's Morning Joe, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Chuck Todd joined the panel to weigh in. With the Obama administration saying the so-called "red line" has been crossed with the use of chemical weapons, Brzezinski had a critical take. Questioning the "chaotic" response, he harshly observed some "propaganda."

    There's no real strategy, Brzezinski argued, noting that the U.S. is using "slogans" about how many people Bashar Assad's regime has killed — when, in fact, there's killing on both sides. The White House talks about a red line but does so ambiguously.

    "It all seems to me rather sporadic, chaotic, unstructured," he charged. "I don't see any real strategic guidance to what we're doing. I see a lot of rhetoric, a lot of emotion, a lot of propaganda, in fact."

  •  I consider it axiomatic that (0+ / 0-)

    the "attack" in Syria is a false flag.  At this point the cabalists would do ANYTHING to avoid the global reset that is coming.

    War with Syria would again delay the currency revaluation as well as the global financial reorganization (including the BRIC alliance, Asian markets and Basel III regulations, as well as the pending return to Glass-Stegal).

    Obama has again proved his alliance to the global banking cabal by authorizing military action in Syria -- an authorization, I stubbornly continue to maintain -- that can only constitutionally be granted by Congress.

  •  Syria (0+ / 0-)

    The fact that a chemical weapons attack took place in Syria is irrefutable, but the question over who commissioned it is wide open.

    It's possible that Assad or someone in his army did carry out that chemical weapons attack - they had the capability, but it would be irrational for them to do it, given they'd just invited weapons inspectors into the country.

    Looking at history, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran in the 1980's with the tacit support of the USA - Reagan could have prevented the Iraqi use of Tabun, Sarin and Mustard gas against the Iranians, but instead the USA provided targeting information from their satellites to Saddam, to allow him to attack the Iranians. Equally, the USA knew the locations of the manufacturing sites and the weapons caches, and did not give that information to the Iranians. Reagan tolerated Saddam's use of chemical weapons because it took place on Iraqi soil and was used to repel aggressive forces crossing the border.

    So, perhaps Assad thinks there is a precedent for using chemical weapons against aggressive rebels within Syria's borders. It would be consistent with the behaviour of Iraq in the 1980's.

    I don't support the use of chemical weapons, but equally I don't think the conflict in Syria is any of America's or Britain's business. We see videos posted on YouTube by the al-Nusra brigades, in which they decapitate their prisoners, and openly declare their ambition to commit genocide against anyone who is not a Sunni muslim. The forces that Assad is fighting are not going to make useful allies in the future, and we should recognise that if Assad falls, the replacement will be hostile to the West. If Assad falls, Syria will descend into a round of ethnic cleansing.

    The only legitimate response can be to offer to take the chemical weapons out of the country and destroy them in a manner verified by both the USA and Russia. The USA, Britain, France and Russia should invest their efforts into facilitating a peace or cease-fire, and should invite Assad to put his chemical weapons beyond use. We've no business invading that country or bombing it.

    We have seen no proof so far, that the chemical weapons were launched by Assad's forces. Maybe that proof will be forthcoming, but given the stakes, we must be sure of the facts. We must rule out that it is the action of a rogue element inside Assad's forces acting without authority, we must rule out that it was the rebels, or that a third state executed the attack before we can act.

    The principle of justice is that it's better to let a guilty man go free than to punish an innocent man by mistake. The same standard must be applied to this chemical weapons attack in Syria.

  •  We have a history: (0+ / 0-)

    Saddam got his Chemical weapons from us and used them against his own people because they (the Kurds) were cooperating with the Iranians who he also used chemical weapons against.  All this happen with our knowledge and we even provided targeting and intelligence support to Saddam to kill Iranians with chemical weapons.  Syria is one of Iran's closest allies; and US officials have publicly stated that to get to Iran one must first go through Syria. The evadence  that chemical weapons where used came from the Mossad. Odds are the CIA, Mossad and Saudi Arabia supplies the jihadist rebels with chemical weapons to allow Obama to strike at the Syrian military; soften them up for the Rebels as he did in Libya.

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