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U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) makes a point about his meeting with President Barack Obama regarding the country's debt ceiling, during a news conference at the Capitol in Washington May 12, 2011.   REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst   (UNITED STA
What are his constituents going to think when they realize he's been lying to them about Obamacare?
The polling has been around for a while: if you ask people about the various provisions of Obamacare, they love it; if you ask them about Obamacare, they hate it. Now that the program is about to kick off, that's being confirmed on the ground. In Kentucky.
LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A middle-aged man in a red golf shirt shuffles up to a small folding table with gold trim, in a booth adorned with a flotilla of helium balloons, where government workers at the Kentucky State Fair are hawking the virtues of Kynect, the state’s health benefit exchange established by Obamacare.

The man is impressed. "This beats Obamacare I hope," he mutters to one of the workers.

"Do I burst his bubble?" wonders Reina Diaz-Dempsey, overseeing the operation. She doesn't. If he signs up, it's a win-win, whether he knows he's been ensnared by Obamacare or not.

That's absolutely why Republicans are frantic to try to find a way to stop Obamacare from starting. As the message about its benefits get out, as people sign up and start receiving those benefits, they're going to forget all about being scared of it and they're going to like it.

But it's not a slam-dunk, and the public education effort is key because Republican lies have taken hold with plenty of people. Erin Hoven, an outreach worker with Kentucky Voices for Health, and her efforts to do outreach and education on Obamacare faces those lies—repeated regularly by both of the state's Republican senators, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul—at every turn.

A woman Hoben had been working with in Hazard called her recently to tell her that the tea party had urged her not to enroll because the exchange wasn’t happening. [Hoben] went door to door with a free lunch program in Laurel County. She met a mother in a trailer, she recalls, who believed she was going to jail if she didn't sign up for insurance. What startled Hoben was that the mother seemed to just erroneously accept the potential jail time as a fact of life. "I quickly explained to her that was not going to happen," Hoben says.
Will these people believe it when Hoben or others tell them that none of this stuff is true? Not until they see the lies be disproved and they see it start working. That gives Republicans in the states one more chance to defeat Obamacare: sabotage it at the state level in its implementation, like in the states where the new health care navigators, community workers hired under the law to help people navigate the new system, are being hindered by onerous new requirements and regulations.

Because the worst thing in the world for Republicans is having more people get affordable health care.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:35 AM PDT.

Also republished by My Old Kentucky Kos and Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (44+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:35:17 AM PDT

  •  "A rose by any other name..." (15+ / 0-)

    Still, it is likely that the misapprehension about KYnect will remain.  We need only remember the signs which read: "Keep your government hands off my Medicare"

    With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:45:16 AM PDT

  •  If people were honest, including we Democrats, (15+ / 0-)

    we'd call it Gingrich/RomneyCare. Because it IS. And we'd have a political advantage in that. Because Obamacare is essentially the GOP counterplan to Clinton's, signed into law by a Democratic president.

    It rewards private insurance, and while it helps many people, it's not what we really need. I think people will see this as they benefit from the ACA and also run into snags where it clearly does NOT benefit them.

    I know my income is about to decrease by a couple of hundred bucks a month. I'm a socialist, and a democrat, and I'm toying with the idea of paying the penalty because I fall in that crack where I can't get a meaningful subsidy and can't afford it.

    If I comply with the law, I'll be in poverty level pay without the benefits but with cheap junk insurance and a deductible which will insure my descent into the poverty I just worked myself out of.

    Medicare for all. It would cost us far less.

    I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

    by commonmass on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:56:43 AM PDT

    •  The RomneyCare name isn't quite right (10+ / 0-)

      The framework of the bill--the individual mandate, the insurance exchanges--are Heritage proposals, but the final version of PPACA had other parts to it not from Heritage. I doubt Heritage would have included Franken's 80/20 rule.

      And the Mass health care law had provisions that the state legislature passed over Romney's veto.

      Either way, though, I agree that the framework of the ACA is fundamentally conservative, and that a single payer system would be more equitable, just, and economically efficient.

      •  Single Payer System? (5+ / 0-)

        One step at a time, Grasshopper.

        Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by Gentle Giant on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:48:50 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Romneycare/Obamacare only entrech (0+ / 0-)

          the health insurance industry.  The mandate pours the profits on, and where will some of those profits go?  To lobbyists!  There will be no single payer system now that Obama/Romneycare is here.  The neoliberals succeeded in inoculating the host against Medicare for all.

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:35:56 AM PDT

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          •  I don't know about that. (1+ / 0-)
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            DSPS owl

            I still want single payer and nearly everyone I talk to about it, including my doctor and his staff, wants it too.

            Perhaps the ACA will give us a taste of what we really want. And the way will be paved.

            Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

            by Gentle Giant on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:54:17 AM PDT

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            •  One approach that sounds promising is allowing (3+ / 0-)
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              Gentle Giant, rhonan, Bensdad

              people under 65 to buy into Medicare, gradually lowering the age to do it until everyone is covered.  

              I know many here on DKos love the sound of Canada's Medicare system but you have to remember that we pay for it out of general tax revenues.  Our tax rates are significantly higher than yours but most of us are happy to pay because we know what we get.  As I've mentioned here before, I don't know how we'd have coped with my medical problems if we lived in the U.S.  

              Peace of mind?  Priceless.  

              We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

              by Observerinvancouver on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:19:26 AM PDT

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              •  Peace of mind? Priceless. (0+ / 0-)

                I do so agree!  I live in Norway where I'm happy to pay the high taxes for everyone's benefit as well as my own.

                The just-go-to-the-ER "argument" makes me sick.  Most medical conditions need and deserve follow-up, preferably by a doctor who knows the patient.  That's what I get.  That's what everyone should get.

                Peace of mind is indeed priceless.  

                The Republicans are defunding, not defending, America.

                by DSPS owl on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 02:40:30 PM PDT

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            •  What you or your friends and doctors want (0+ / 0-)

              doesn't matter.  What matters is what the insurance industry wants.  It was the case before Obamacare, and the mandate has only engorged the parasites further.  

              Lots of people wanted a public option, and towards the end of the bargaining process it even looked feasable to ram it through congress.  What was important was that the insurance companies did not want a public option.  They count more than mere citizens.  

              "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

              by Subterranean on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 11:30:28 AM PDT

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    •  Where did you find that crack to fall into? (2+ / 0-)
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      Mayfly, Bensdad

      Is your state exchange already open?

      We are all in this together.

      by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:39:05 AM PDT

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    •  CM, sympathies for your financial straits. I hope (0+ / 0-)

      it's just temporary.  I also worry for you because, frankly my dear, you're no longer an immortal teenager.  Take good care of yourself.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:09:32 AM PDT

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  •  Did conservatives do this to the New Deal? (16+ / 0-)

    That's a real question ... does anybody know?

    When you think about the bald-faced lies spouted by GOPers that actually hurt US citizens, you kind of wonder how low we still have to go. If what's going on has any historical context with FDR and the New Deal, that might help me not be so desperately bummed out ...

    On the other hand, there's really no way to sugar coat it. These conservative bastards are nihilist vandals destroying public faith in our communal institutions. They have no business being politicians, and shouldn't be allowed within 100 yards of governance.

  •  Let's impeach him......PRONTO!!! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  How sad is it that I live in Michigan, but my 21 (8+ / 0-)

    year old son just moved to KY and he's going to get better healthcare there than here?

    I pay way too much to insure us both. Now that he's in KY, (and just secured a job with Fazoli's, who say they can't give him full time because OBAMACARE!) I can drop him from my insurance, save myself some money (and possibly drop my own insurance and go on the marketplace, who knows) and he can either get Medicaid, or insurance on the marketplace cheaper than what I've been paying for him.

    I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

    by second gen on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 09:42:09 AM PDT

  •  rebranding: HeeHawCare/AquaBuddhaCare /nt (6+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 11:20:36 AM PDT

  •  It is worth noting that people will die (12+ / 0-)

    because of these games.

    The Republicans are willing to kill their own base to hurt Obama slightly. I have to imagine some fraction of them will notice that and be encouraged to switch sides.

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:33:12 AM PDT

  •  Liberals should never have agreed to the name (2+ / 0-)
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    I never agreed with the liberal embrace of the term Obamacare as some sort of reclamation. Call it ACA, PPACA, or the Affordable Care Act. Calling it "Obamacare" encourages partisan responses--Kaiser has even proved this with polling. "Obamacare" sounds like a health care plan. PPACA is clearly not that, so that moniker misleads even more.

  •  The GOP is incredible.....they could a damn about (4+ / 0-)

    their constituents' health....scoring points is all they're about.

  •  however, we don't have a "Rooseveltcare" (7+ / 0-)

    My guess is that when this takes off and becomes a part of the fabric of everything, the most repubs can hope for is to change the name that THEY gave it to something like Peoplecare, or anything that does NOT tie it to Obama.

    They will rue the day they called it Obamacare!

    Ayn sucks. Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer.

    by Floyd Blue on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:41:01 AM PDT

  •  And what have Obama and the Dems been doing to (1+ / 0-)
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    counter the lies?  Not much is my guess.  That would be proactive and, OMG, maybe confrontational with the Repubs.  Can't have that.

    The outrage should be with Obama and the Dems, not with the Republicans.  The Repubs do what they do just like a predator kills its prey.  The Dems can choose to fight them and their lies or not.  It's usually not.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:43:38 AM PDT

    •  Fighting lies creates more. (5+ / 0-)

      You can swing at the gnats or keep working at more productive activities.
      The Rightwing Monolithic Propaganda Machine has proven its prowess. They can keep us so busy countering their lies that we have little time to spend making a difference.

      We have to be real choosy where and when to pick our fights. And remember, when one argues with an idiot, it is often hard for others to know which is which.

      Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:58:17 AM PDT

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      •  Passivity is great, then. (1+ / 0-)
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        Gentle Giant

        And you don't swat at each lie and specifically counter and make a case against the Repubs - you campaign on the truth

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:08:36 AM PDT

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        •  I guess you never took a marketing class. (2+ / 0-)
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          Gentle Giant, Bensdad

          Nobody selling a product is successful who sells the meat and not the sizzle.  If you sell by giving a droning list of features, you lose your audience.  You only get a "Sale" when you list benefits.  Marketing 101.

          The problem with the ACA is that nobody can point to an actual benefit for an individual until they go onto the exchanges and make an individual choice.  So, no point in marketing the sizzle right now.  People will notice the sizzle for themselves after Oct 1.  

          We are all in this together.

          by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:18:18 AM PDT

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          •  No, never had a marketing course, but I've done (0+ / 0-)

            lots of selling and know the point about selling features vs. benefits.  Another thing I know is that there is no need to sell either once somebody has already bought.  What you're saying makes no sense:  let them buy and then you don't have to sell them.  So your marketing courses included how to hope somebody buys so they can see for themselves how great your product is?  I don't think so.

            Also, when you have competition (in this case the Repubs) selling them something else (i.e., not to buy your stuff), does your marketing course tell you to do nothing?  Again, I don't think so unless you majored in passive marketing.

            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:17:47 AM PDT

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    •  The strategy doen't suit you but it's working. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm smart enough to recognize most GOP lies and I do my own homework on issues that affect me.  That's not true for most Americans though.  They only do their homework when the issue hits their own wallet.  That's the strategy.  Why do a PR campaign to influence low information Americans if it's not heard and wastes money and time?  Futile to try and counteract the lies on the right one by one.  Actions speak louder than words.

      When it rolls out and people find out it's not so bad and actually provides them a financial benefit, they'll like it.  I'm sure there are cracks in it that will have to be addressed after the fact but that is the way massive monumental legislation change works.  And I haven't seen anybody fall into a real crack yet.

      We are all in this together.

      by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:58:54 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, if the GOP took your advice they wouldn't (0+ / 0-)

        have had as much influence as they do.  They are successful with low and high information Americans because they follow a basic rule of advertising - keep repeating the message.  Obama and the Dems squeak every now and then - not effective.

        Your advice - and what Obama and the Dems do - is to be passive and assume people will see the truth.  That hasn't worked so well generally, why should it work with health insurance?

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:12:01 AM PDT

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        •  Every political speech, every policy talk, every (0+ / 0-)

          progressive talking head has repeated the line that PPACA will give 30 million uninsured Americans access to affordable healthcare.  Have you not heard that?  It wouldn't surprise me.

          I spend much of my time here on DKos counteracting the lies of the right that gullible and smart DKos readers are eating up on ACA.  I am swatting at flies at here and really I just want to throw up my hands and admit it is futile, even here, much less trying to do it out there in tea party loony land.

          And I am not passive.  I'm volunteering to help the navigators in the big ole red state of Texas.  

          See my other comment in reply to you above for my answer to your last question.

          We are all in this together.

          by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:30:46 AM PDT

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          •  Funny how those speeches, policy talks and (0+ / 0-)

            progressive talking heads (if you can find them besides on MSNBC, which few but the converted watch) haven't dispelled the myths of health insurance reform starting before ACA was passed.  You're obviously content with the "build it and they will come" or "build a better mousetrap and they will make a path to your door" strategy.  That's about as passive as you can get, especially since the fight here is to get as many people to buy in as quickly as possible to make it work financially.

            And, no, helping navigators is not passive.  And good for you.  But people still need to know how to connect with them.

            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:22:19 AM PDT

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      •  They could prevent a rollout. (0+ / 0-)

        Just shut down government.

        If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

        by Bensdad on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 12:30:29 PM PDT

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    •  I think Pres. Obama has found a good line (0+ / 0-)

      when he says that the only program the Republicans can agree on is to deny health care to thirty million Americans.  Blunt and simple to understand.  With the added benefit of being true.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:50:47 AM PDT

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    •  Agree with accumbens.... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....he's President for crissakes. He has the bully pulpit. Reid is majority leader. But neither can lead and neither can talk effectively to ordinary people.

      Obama hems and haws and never calls a spade a spade so to speak.

      If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

      by Bensdad on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 12:26:24 PM PDT

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  •  Re: I wonder if Obama and Dems wanted Obamacare to (1+ / 0-)
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    Gentle Giant

    fail.

    We needed this years, decades ago. Why did they pass it 4 years ago, and wait till now to implement it?

    •  The wait was (1+ / 0-)
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      Aquarius40

      to allow the HMOs, the insurance corporations, more time to extract our wealth before compliance.

      One of the biggest complaints I've heard about "Obamacare" is that it has raised costs. But it hasn't been enacted yet. The price increases are the last grab by Big Insurance to get what they can before the ACA takes hold.

      Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:01:09 AM PDT

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    •  The law was written to be phased in over time (1+ / 0-)
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      Re: I wonder if Obama and Dems wanted Obamacare to fail.

      We needed this years, decades ago. Why did they pass it 4 years ago, and wait till now to implement it?

      President Obama and the Democrats wanted and want health care reform to succeed. The President had a tremendous amount of political capital when he was first elected and he spent it on stopping the free fall in the economy and successfully getting healthcare reform through congress.

      His fiercest ally in getting healthcare reform done, Nancy Pelosi, articulated the resolve to make Obamacare work:

      Last winter, when Washington was backing away from the whole health care deal after the Republicans won Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat, Pelosi was uncowed. “We’ll go through the gate. If the gate’s closed, we’ll go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we’ll pole vault in,” she said. “If that doesn’t work, we’ll parachute in. But we’re going to get health care reform passed for the American people.”
      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      Insuring 30 million people, getting health insurance exchanges up in 50 states and managing employer compliance could not have been implemented as soon as the law was signed.

      The phase-in method has proven to be a wise strategy, when you compare how the tenor of town halls has changed dramatically in favor of Obamacare as opposed to how it was when Obamacare was first passed.

      Now Republicans are afraid to go to their districts during recesses in order to avoid hearing complaints from their constituents about getting rid of Obamacare benefits like covering people with pre-existing conditions and allowing young adults to be on their parents' insurance up to age 26.

      "I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." (From "You Said a Mouthful" by Bishop Desmond Tutu - South African bishop & activist, b.1931)

      by FiredUpInCA on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:25:36 AM PDT

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    •  "They" didn't wait for anything.... (0+ / 0-)

      It has been under phased implementation the whole time.

      Some provisions went into effect immediately and people have been seeing benefits from them for four years.

      We are the principled ones, remember? We don't get to use the black hats' tricks even when it would benefit us. Political Compass: -6.88, -6.41

      by bmcphail on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:33:25 AM PDT

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  •  It's not the worst thing that people get (6+ / 0-)

    affordable healthcare. The worst thing is that some people, but not all, will finally see what their republican reps have been up to, lying to them and trying to keep them from getting that care.
    When that occurs, the true believers will only need some more Kenyan Muslim terrorist sustenance.
    The newly affronted will be fed pound after pound of false equivalency, eventually turning it to that it was Liberals who tried to deprive them. (You know, those bearded, beret and sweater-wearing Communists that hide behind trees and try to tear down America. They feed barbecued eagle to their yappy little dogs and have American flag doormats.)
    In the next step, it will be revealed with no evidence offered or requested that the Republicans tweaked the ACA in the knick of time to save Grandma from the Death Panels! If it wasn't for the valiant efforts of the heroic Neocons and Tea Party Patriots, we'd be in a jam for certain.
    And once it is up and running, benefitting the masses, no one on the Right will call it Obamacare ever again. It will be something along the lines of "True-blooded God-ordained Conserva-Care".

    And most of the wingers will not catch on, or will willingly latch onto the new meme.
    Because no matter what a Liberal does, it always comes out Evil. If it comes out Good, it wasn't a Librul what dunnit.

    Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Gentle Giant on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:46:52 AM PDT

  •  In 2016 Kentucky will vote (likely write-in) for (0+ / 0-)

    Kenyan Muslim socialism, much to the amazement of the world.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:46:53 AM PDT

  •  Americans for Prosperity (1+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA

    I heard an anti-Obamacare ad from this group on the radio this morning. The ad talked about how terrible Obamacare was for union members and used Hoffa's letter as ammunition. As if AFP really cares about union members, lol.

  •  To them, as long as it is not Obama related... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...bring in those programs!

    It's not even ideology anymore talking, it's nothing but hatred.

  •  And once it takes hold and people actually like it (3+ / 0-)
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    these same duplicitous scumbags will take as much credit as possible for the benefits that derive from the very program they worked so tirelessly to kill.

    Just like they smilingly took pictures at the "shovel ready" projects in their districts funded by the Obama stimulus.  They have demonstrated that they have absolutely no shame in deluding people and convincing them to vote against their own interests.

  •  I'm not that worried. When her Neighbor next (2+ / 0-)
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    OnlyWords, htowngenie

    door starts going to the doctor, she will wake up from her Obamahatred/Teaparty/Fox-ified Derangement Syndrome and get in line for her own health care. This will happen all over the country. Word will get out. It is called the Snowball Effect in research. It works.  

  •  What I don't understand (1+ / 0-)
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    htowngenie

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the current medical system was on a unsustainable trajectory and this is the implementation of a conservative plan which is a sop to the insurance industry and probably the best they could hope for in the long run. This just makes no sense, but when did the current crop of republicans ever make sense?

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:06:42 AM PDT

  •  Humans are so easily frightened... (1+ / 0-)
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    htowngenie

    and as so many in the USA are kept impoverished and ignorant (this combination works so well for the 1%) it is very easy to scare them with bullshit.

    It is sad that more people do not take to heart Jesus' directive to use their "discerning mind" to know when they are being deceived or, at least to prompt them to inquire for more information elsewhere.

  •  It's Not ObamaCare They Hate, It's Obama They HATE (1+ / 0-)
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    every poll on the popularity of ObamaCare indicates that it is only White people who oppose ObamaCare. Among non-White people, ObamaCare is extremely popular.

    And why should it be otherwise, as it is only White people who didn't want Obama to ever be President of their country. In 2012, only 39% of White people voted for Obama and 60%+ of White people voted for (R)moneyLyan.

    51% of White poeple 18- 29 years old voted (R)moneyLyan as did 56% of White (what war on) women. As for White people 30 years of age and older, there was no difference in how they voted - over 61% for (R)moneyLyan.  Even in non-Confererate states that Obama won, such as California, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Michigan, the majority of White people in these and other non-Confederate states which Obama won voted for (R)moneyLyan.

    The 2008 election of Obama as POTUS rekindled the racist heart of the majority of White Americans, which lead to the 2010 Great White anti-Obama Backlash Midterms, the effects of which we will be living with for a very long time. Just as the 1963 March on Washington, which resulted in the 1964, 65 Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts resulted in White Americans abandonment of the Democratic party in 1968, the 2008 election of Obama drove the majority of White Americans into the loony bin. Also.

    Nothing is more American than White supremacy - the true founding principle of this nation. But it seems that White Americans - left, right and center - are still in denial as regards this truth .

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:27:39 AM PDT

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      any indication, you may be wrong in your last assumption.  She's a liberal Democrat who has been repeating for the last 4+ years that all the Republican push back is because we have a Black president.  I thought she might be overstating it and I have sort of dismissed that viewpoint.  But she is changing my opinion on it.  

      BTW, I know my user name may suggest that I'm Black, but I'm not.  I'm a White Female Democrat in Texas who spent 30 years in corporate banking against a tide of domineering White Male Republicans.  But my minority status is small potatoes compared to what African Americans have to put up with.  

      We are all in this together.

      by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:55:48 AM PDT

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  •  These people will never wake up (0+ / 0-)

    Fox News, Glen Beck, and Rush have been drilling the propaganda into their minds for over a decade.  They identify with the Fox News tribe of white, rural, God-Fearing Americans.  

    Maybe if a republican wins the White House in 2016 and "improves" Obamacare they will accept it as a good thing, but otherwise forget it.  They are the undead.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:32:21 AM PDT

  •  The polling doesn't exactly say that (0+ / 0-)

    The polling says people like specific provisions of the law.

    Not nearly the same as liking the law.

    To put a cartoon spn for the sake of argument, a poll on Plessy v. Ferguson could find that people were wild about the "equal" part and not ask anything about "separate".

    You could then run a story saying people hated Plessy v. Ferguson but liked what it did.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:54:36 AM PDT

    •  being the pathetic troll that you are (0+ / 0-)

      and one who has been bashing the ACA from the beginning, you'll always find a completely ridiculous way to put a negative spin on it.  As usual, the only one who is impressed is yourself.

      Of course, when people like most of the provisions of the law, then it is more as if they like the law than not.  Which of course you know, because you're a real honest and intelligent independent thinker.  
      It's not like they're just taking single positive words out of the law that people like, as in your moronic, trollish example.  

      •  Ah, the logic-free hopper returns (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, I have bashed ACA from  the beginning.  You'd think that would be worth points for consistency.

        It would be awfully strange, don't you think, for me to change my tune when the law remains unchanged?

        To expect such a thing would make you a silly rabbit indeed.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:47:04 AM PDT

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  •  Using the Hitler strategy (0+ / 0-)

    has worked for the Republicans. They have activated the ignorant and ill-informed in the Fox News bubble to vote by arousing them with big lies. In the past, they would have stayed away from the polls in the realization that they were ignorant and ill-informed but the GOP has "informed" them with the big lies and they vote the GOP against their own interests. No wonder George W Bush had that sly smirk on his face when he spoke to his base. He knew what fools they were and he thought that he was smarter. Ha! Ha!

  •  They don't deserve Obamacare (0+ / 0-)

    "She met a mother in a trailer, she recalls, who believed she was going to jail if she didn't sign up for insurance."

  •  this is a bit misleading (0+ / 0-)

    louisville is democratic leaning. the gop tend to be the northeast part of  jefferson county were the residents are white collar. the gop also hold sway in the southern part of the county which is predominately white and blue collar.

    our governor is a democratic and is implementing the affordable healthcare act, much to the annoyance of the republicans in the state.

    for the record, i expect mcconnell will not win re-election and will be defeated by bevin. bevin, i must admit, is running a great campaign against mcconnell.  mcconnell is desperate and has resorted to mudsling and just ball face lying about bevin.

    rural kentuckians are the ones who keep electing these repub morons, not those of us in the larger cities, such as louisville, lexington, covington, ashland.....though these cities have there gop supporters also.

    most people i know are welcoming the AHA. kentucky is one of the unhealthiest states in the country because of smoking, drinking, eating unhealthy southern style cooking and unhealthy lifestyles in general.

    please do not think all of us are ignorant, because that is not true.

  •  You WILL go to jail. (0+ / 0-)

    The IRS will govern your participation in ObamaCare.  If you don't get insurance, you pay a fine.  If you don't pay the IRS, you go to jail.  No insurance...jail.  Yes it's that simple.

  •  Easy to fool people. (0+ / 0-)

    Here are my interview questions:  Do you want affordable healthcare for all?  (Yes).  HA YOU'RE FOR OBAMACARE.

    As a young person, do you want to pay 3 times as much as you did before.  (No).  HA YOU'RE AGAINST OBAMACARE.

    Did we really learn anything?

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