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Yup, another recall of guns for design issues.

This time it is the Springfield Arms 3.3XD series 9mm and .45ACP Automatics. These Guns/handguns/pistols/thunder sticks/whatever have an issue that "could experience an unintended discharge during the loading process when the slide is released, or could experience a double-fire when the trigger is pulled once."

This "condition" is supposed to be rare and from exceptional conditions, however gun forums have discussed this issue since 2005.  In 2007 a gun store owner recommended against the 9mm version because of reports of this when I was looking for a combat shooter pistol for IDPA matches.

You can read more at the below site.  It is not the manufacturer site, because Springfield Arms requires Flash, and iPhones don't allow Flash. (So I'm not sure who I'm annoyed by that).

http://www.ammoland.com/...

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  •  Goes off while loading? (8+ / 0-)

    That must be a surprise!

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 04:37:28 PM PDT

    •  Called a "slam fire" (9+ / 0-)

      Most times it happens with a gun that has the firing pin free to rattle forward and back. Imagine something like a toothpick that is allowed to rattle forward and back inside a straw - as it moves backwards it hits a wall at the back of the straw and then the straw moves forward and the toothpick flies freely forward when the straw stops.

      Even in a gun that has a spring that holds the pin away from the forward position it can happen. Springs wear out and break.

      Other times it happens with an uncleaned gun. Carbon builds up on the inside edge of the hole that the tip of the pin pokes through and catches hold of it and holds it there, poking through there, where it pokes the primer of a round as it is loading.

      Never had it happen to me. Damn sure I would be wildly surprised. But knowing that it can happen just reinforces the basic rules of firearm safety:

      1 It's loaded until YOU check it and make sure. Recheck each time you interact with the gun
      2 Keep the finger off the trigger until ready to fire
      3 know your target AND what it behind it
      4 Never point it at anything you aren't prepared to destroy

      That #4 is the one. When loading, point the gun at something that will stop a bullet. A couple phone books taped together, the several inches of newspapers for recycling, etc. If you are following #4, a slam fire should not be the reason for an ambulance to roll up.

      "I want to put a gun to the head of every fucking RKBA asshole on this site" - said Winston Sm1th And it was NOT a hidden comment

      by JayFromPA on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 05:08:04 PM PDT

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      •  5 Always be aware of the safety record (7+ / 0-)

        and known safety issues of weapons you consider purchasing.

        1) Bomb Syria 2)???????????? 3) Lives saved!!!!!!

        by JesseCW on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 06:00:17 PM PDT

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        •  This comes under the heading of research (1+ / 0-)
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          you should always research a purchase before you lay down your cash, no?

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          by BlackSheep1 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:46:37 PM PDT

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          •  Of course you should. By the same token, (1+ / 0-)
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            manufacturers retailers should be responsible for what they offer for sale.

            1) Bomb Syria 2)???????????? 3) Lives saved!!!!!!

            by JesseCW on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 05:16:25 AM PDT

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            •  and we have no fight with each other, but with (0+ / 0-)

              those who put out defective products and those who don't check into the history of their prospective purchases  - a difference we can best overcome by helping educate the consumers and supporting legal action against the irresponsible manufacturers, no?

              LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

              by BlackSheep1 on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 11:18:51 AM PDT

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      •  How it happens matters little to me (3+ / 0-)
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        THAT it happens matters a lot. Guns are deadly by design, but malfunctioning guns just going off puts the lie to that "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" bullsh!t line.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:14:42 PM PDT

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        •  Good point (0+ / 0-)

          By similar thinking, if pot so much as causes one accident, that puts lie to that "marijuana doesn't kill" bullshit line.

          Whoops!

          ‎"Masculinity is not something given to you, but something you gain. And you gain it by winning small battles with honor." - Norman Mailer
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          by maxomai on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 05:55:48 AM PDT

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          •  Pot is not designed to kill (0+ / 0-)

            and even if it "causes one accident", it's not the pot that would be the cause of death.
            Nice try, no sale.

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 06:10:07 AM PDT

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            •  I always try to kill people using weed (0+ / 0-)

              It takes longer but its more fun

              Happy just to be alive

              by exlrrp on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 06:24:03 AM PDT

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            •  I'm not trying to convince *you* (1+ / 0-)
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              As far as I can tell, you can't be swayed. I'm pointing out the silliness of your argument to the audience.

              See, even with a well designed product, things are going to go wrong, whether due to manufacturing problems or just plain dumb luck. You can lessen the odds of something going wrong, but you can't stop them from ever happening. To imagine that you can is utopian thinking; to imagine that the presence of the rare defect is reason enough to consider the entire category defective is patently irrational.

              Hence, no, this defect doesn't give lie to the "bullshit line" about "guns don't kill people, people kill people." What would give lie is conclusive evidence that a well-manufactured gun will kill someone without some sort of external agency. I'm not holding my breath.

              ‎"Masculinity is not something given to you, but something you gain. And you gain it by winning small battles with honor." - Norman Mailer
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              by maxomai on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 06:30:28 AM PDT

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              •  Well if you read GunFAIL each week, (0+ / 0-)

                you frequently hear of "Guns going off" and maiming or killing people. Several every week it seems. And those are supposedly, not malfunctioning (until they were), supposedly not defective, just "touchy". Like putting it in the holster, somehow fired it into the guy's groin....
                I know what you are trying to do and it won't sell, Guns are dangerous BY DESIGN, They are LETHAL WEAPONS. There is no other consumer product that is as dangerous or as unregulated and no other group of manufacturers that is held as immune for the carnage their products create, over 100000 gunshot wounds, 30000 of them fatal EVERY YEAR and no one can sue the manufacturers over it.
                By comparison, one speck of lead paint on a toy and that product is off the market, the company is sued sh!tless and the manager of the company (in China) commits suicide.
                See the difference yet?

                If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                by CwV on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 06:46:25 AM PDT

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                •  Why would you sue the manufacturers over it? (1+ / 0-)
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                  If it was a defect or a problem caused by them, sure, go ahead.

                  But if someone uses it to kill a loved one, it's not the manufacturer's fault. If I set a house on fire using a Zippo lighter and Holiday gas, well, I used those two legal things in an illegal fashion. You're not going to sue the manufacturer of either.

                •  GunFAIL? Give me a break. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I point out the error in your logic, and you tell me to Read Pravda, Comrade. Clever. Stupid, but clever.

                  Here's a hint: the GunFAIL diaries exist for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to put guns in the worst possible light, regardless of mitigating circumstances or even actual facts, in order to cheer the troops on in support of the Obama administration's push for gun control. It isn't informative, it isn't educational, and it isn't making you any smarter on the issue. It provides a deliberately incomplete picture of the matter, for a particular political end.

                  That might appeal to a mindless apparatchik. I prefer to remain in the reality-based community. Very 2004 of me, I know.

                  ‎"Masculinity is not something given to you, but something you gain. And you gain it by winning small battles with honor." - Norman Mailer
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                  by maxomai on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:09:54 PM PDT

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                •  If you read 'CarFAIL' posts all the time (0+ / 0-)

                  you will frequently hear of "Cars just running themselves out of their lane" and maiming or killing people. Just because you hear it described as "It just happened by itself" doesn't mean it's true. If you believe that guns just go off by themselves, I've got a bridge in brooklyn I'd like to sell you dirt cheap, just a mere ten grand and it's all yours. ;-)

                  Then there are the numbers. Several times each week a gun goes off by itself, you claim? That's what you wrote: "Several times". Well, wake up and smell the burning gasoline because for 'accidental' car deaths there are MORE THAN EIGHTY PER DAY in 2011! How many criminal homicides are there each day? Which number do you think is higher?

                  Because just like you can't count intentional car self-crashes or crashes performed by cops to halt a suspect toward the annual carFAIL death total, you also can't count intentional self-gunshots or gunshots performed by cops to halt a suspect.

                  And if you take out self-harm (by either car or gun) and cop-action (by either car or gun) then you get FAR more bodybags created by car collisions than you get by gunshot.

                  And the nonsense over manufacturer immunity? Do you sue FORD for damages if someone jumps the curb to run down a cheating spouse? It's just as dopey to sue Smith & Wesson for damages if someone shoots a cheating spouse.

                  Tangent: Each time I see arguments from the "gun restriction" side they keep failing to maintain consistency. Again and again they argue on emotion and fail at the most basic levels of reason. The problem with that is that is the same way that the anti-abortion people make their arguments - they yell using words that are intended to spark feelings and end any act of thinking.

                  Arguing about a company being liable for the way the product is used by a person is a dangerous thing to allow the right wing to do. Use it on gun manufacturers to punish them for a cop having a twitchy trigger finger, and the right wing becomes allowed to use that same mechanism to punish the company that makes a speculum just because some doctor somewhere used one during the termination of a pregnancy.

                  SERIOUSLY - what the fuck is up with all of the people who think it's okay to punish a manufacturer when it's a person that misuses the product?

                  There's no other word for it. It's a stupid idea. It needs to go away, before the right wing comes to their senses enough to allow the small number of liberal dems to put such an option into law. Because if the right wing does realize they can use their astroturf groups to end abortion using such a "Manufacturer is liable for poor choice made by john q public" then the few screaming liberal dems will get their way - and the rest of us will have to suffer the consequences that they didn't consider.

                  And all because some folks can't help but be carried away by emotion. "For the children! For the children!" they abdicate careful thought for knee-jerk emotion. Much like dear old winston sm1th - who gets carried away by emotion and thus thinks that nobody else can control themselves any better than he:

                  "I want to put a gun to the head of every fucking RKBA asshole on this site" - said Winston Sm1th And it was NOT a hidden comment

                  by JayFromPA on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 06:15:00 PM PDT

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  •  Another reason to dislike the XD. (9+ / 0-)

    I like Springfield Armory. Love the 1911 Loaded models (I have a few).

    But the XD...no thanks.

    Thank you, by the way, for the public service announcement.

  •  You were going to use a sub compact for comp- (3+ / 0-)
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    etition?

    Damn, you must be really good with a firearm.

  •  This is why firearms need to brought under (7+ / 0-)

    the Consumer Products Safety Commission.

    This really should be a no-brainer issue.  We've learned through hard experience that manufacturers - whether it's space heaters, cars, or firearms - cannot be trusted to regulate themselves.

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    by JesseCW on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 06:03:17 PM PDT

  •  Been shooting 1911's for 47 years (3+ / 0-)
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    and I never had that problem. As said above, dirt might do it but I have always found the 1911 to be extremely reliable, I would count on it anywhere and I always keep my guns squeaky clean.
    when I carry it, I keep it on half cock, using that for the safety. Thumb it back and there you go. Don't think its possible to go off like that. Drop it right on the hammer from 20' and it won't go off.

    Slightly OT but still guns:  I CAN NOT find 22LR ammo anywhere. this is due to panic buying instigated by wingnut bullshit. Is this nationwide?
    The Wingnut BS is still going on---was talking to one today who swore that Obama was about to put a $1 tax per bullet on ammo.  Where do they get this shit? (answer: NRA)

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 06:08:37 PM PDT

    •  Tax? (2+ / 0-)
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      link

      ‘SEC. 4181. IMPOSITION OF TAX.
      ‘There is hereby imposed upon the sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of the following articles a tax equivalent to the specified percent of the price for which so sold:

      ‘(1) Articles taxable at 20 percent:

      ‘(A) Pistols.

      ‘(B) Revolvers.

      ‘(C) Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).

      ‘(D) Any lower frame or receiver for a firearm, whether for a semiautomatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun that is designed to accommodate interchangeable upper receivers.

      ‘(2) Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and cartridges.’.

    •  Look online (2+ / 0-)
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      I saw 40 gr .22 Mini Mags (high quality .22 LR ammunition for those who don't know) going for $20/box of 100 online which is outrageous.  They should cost between $6 and $7 per box.  

      I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

      by DavidMS on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 06:18:31 PM PDT

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    •  The .22LR thing is weird... (0+ / 0-)

      even taking the rightwingers constant CT about government ammo hording, etc. into account. It's not like any government agency even buys that caliber and it's not exactly associated with anything else that might even conceivably be a target for (passable) legislation. It used to be common as dirt and almost as cheap, so much so that survivalists back in the 70s and 80s were sure it was one of the things to stock up on so you could use it as currency after the "inevitable collapse of civilization."

      Maybe there's some chemical or other element used only in a rimfire cartridge that's in short supply or difficult to get right now? About the only thing I can think of and it just barely makes sense.

      Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory, tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. Sun Tzu The Art of War

      by Stwriley on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 05:15:13 AM PDT

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  •  Mags Won't fit in 22LR chamber (1+ / 0-)
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    BlackSheep1

    The last box of 22LR I bought, 500 per, maybe year and half ago, at Walmart, was under 20 bucks

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 06:32:24 PM PDT

    •  Mini-Mags (1+ / 0-)
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      KVoimakas

      Are high quality .22LR ammunition.  Standard pressure, but with shoots flatter than most other verities.  Its accurate, clean (for a .22) and unlike some other verities of 22 LR does not eject from my Beretta Neos at my face.  

      I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

      by DavidMS on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:53:40 PM PDT

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  •  no, I think Mini-mag is a brand (2+ / 0-)
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    exlrrp, DavidMS

    not a different caliber.

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    by BlackSheep1 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:55:32 PM PDT

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