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Question, on Monday, 2 Sept., 2013: Is there anything MORE interesting in labor than the working stiffs of the fast food industry trying to get more than garbage can scraps for their hard work?

The rules in this diary are not applicable to that 1% focused on keeping us serfs as serfs, catch farts, cannon fodder and doormats.

There are 6 billion ++ people in the world who need clothing, food, clean water, sewage, transportation, housing, education for their young, care for their elderly, healthcare, retraining when their jobs go obsolete, vacation ... everyone should be able to see the Great Wall of China and the Grand Canyon in their lives.  There is more work to do for all of us than time to do it in.  

There are not enough resources for everyone to have their own 400 foot yachts, 10 servants and 20 room mansions (um... do the math).  However, we should be smart enough to get everyone working so that everyone can get what they need, and even some of what they want.

Earth is a factory, let’s make it work it efficiently so we all have free time and we all have opportunity. We need a hard working, honest public sector, and we need a non exploitive, vibrant private sector.  

I don't have a new nirvana-ism to save us.  I know that the goody two shoes isms fail cuz they rely on people being what they are NOT - selfless.  A lot of times when people are selfless, it is actually serves their their self interest - community libraries, parks, roads, education, health care ...?  Too much selfishness typically costs more than some selflessness - and since too many non right wing droolers define action as watching "I have a Dream" and sobbing into our Kleenexes, we don't know how to cost out our selflessness or selfishness, never mind balance them out. Until someone figures out the cost of nirvana-ism, we need to make stuff work for us in the here and now.

We need fair work rules that apply to everyone everywhere - otherwise we end up with what we have now - work rules which benefit the pigs at the top.

I think competition is fine.  Fair competition can bring out the best in us.  If someone invents a google or a warp drive or a penicillin caliber drug, I’ve got no problem that person earning enough to cash out and sit on a beach forever, sipping gin and tonics.  

However, competition without fair rules is NOT fair competition.  When the competition is structured so we all break our butts for the benefit of the pigs at the top, then the best doormat, the best boot licker, the best butt wipe, the best sycophant and the best back stabbers are the best compensated, we end up with the crap we have today.

When the people with money make the workers' rules about competition, the competition benefits those with the money. The winners of the daily foot races of productivity get false promises and the senior management pockets the surplus. For every inventor of a google or penicillin who gets their deserved rewards, there are how many of those from money - the trumps, gates, hiltons, bushes ... who are ushered into all the right doors with all the right opportunities, and who rarely invent the google, the pencillin, the wheel or reinvent the mouse trap, but who have the re$ource$ do spend their time staying in charge of all us?

My work rules for working hours need to apply to all the globe's working people.  From what I've seen in the last 4 decades of my 52 years, unless you have enough interest income and or dividend income to live on, you're a worker.  Managers are workers, it is just rare that they are useful managers or useful workers. From what I've seen, most senior managers are most focused with rigging the system to take a undeserved huge cut of the pie before anyone else gets a fair share of the pie, even though it takes EVERYONES' work to make the pie. Most senior managers are senior so that they can be on top, first in line, TAKING a chunk of the communities' wealth they do NOT deserve.

Earth is a factory, grow up and get over it.  Let’s make Factory Earth work efficiently so we all have free time and so we all have opportunity and so our factory is nice place to work and a nice place to live.  We need a hard working, honest public sector, and we need a non exploitive, vibrant private sector.  All the globe's citizens need good rules about working hours so that we have the energy to do more in our community than work ourselves into the grave.  Having more energy after work means we can be better family members and better parents and better community members.

We need fair work rules that apply to everyone everywhere.

+++++AN INITIAL DRAFT OF GLOBAL WORK RULES FOR FULL TIME WORK:

- overtime is 1.5 times your hourly rate.

- 2 breaks at 15 mins. each, paid, for 8 hour shift.

- lunch is duty free and at least 45 mins. long.

- overtime starts after 8 hours of work.

- If you show up when you are supposed to, you are owed at least 4 hours of pay.

- your work days must be contiguous.

- your days off must be contiguous.

- a work week is five days.

- a fiscal week is 7 days in a row, and an organization can only change its fiscal week once every 5 years.

- your contiguous days of work can't change without a 1 month notice.

- the scheduled time of your start can't vary by more than 2 hours in any 6 week interval.

- if the scheduled time of your start will change by more than 2 hours, you get 1 month notice.

- your next shift can't start before 12 hours after the end of the shift you're working.

- overtime hours can be paid as comp time at 1.5 times your hourly rate by mutual agreement ONLY.

- 10 paid holidays a year.

- 10 personal / sick days a year, no use it or lose it, bankable to 50 days.

- 15 days vacation a year, no changes to agreed vacation time off 3 months before the time off.

- salary workers work max 40 hours a week, then overtime rules start.

- any owner or combination of owners can't have more than 20% of their workers be part time.

- ALL workers defined as management get a proportional share of ALL Exec office stock options, bonuses, company housing, company transportation, Any and ALL non paycheck perks ...

- employer pays into retraining fund for layoffs, the fund is NOT controlled by employers or by any owners of the enterprise.

- employees earns 2 months retraining per year of service, paid at last hourly rate for term of retraining, benefits available after 5 years continuous employment.

- managers who use firing to avoid layoffs get 10 years in prison, NO parole.

- managers who abuse the rules above get 10 years in prison, NO parole.

- abusive managers will be tried and prosecuted from funds collected from employers and paid into a fund dedicated to pay for abusive manager prosecution.

+++++ END OF LIST FOR NOW.

I don't know what to do about part time work.

If anyone has some PRECISE suggestions, please chime in!

I've been paid by the case of fish processed, by the weight of the catch, by the hour, by the day, by the month, by the stock market - I've broken almost every rule above trying to take the job of some broken down 35, 45 or 55 year old.

I'm in my 6th year of being in the Seattle teacher's union. I think it is a complete DISGRACE that ALL unions haven't fought for better working hours for EVERYONE. When you ONLY fight for YOUR union instead of ALL working stiffs, then why should ALL working stiffs fight for you?

We can either all work under reasonable rules, or we can all continue working the races to the bottom so the pigs on top can stay on top and stay pigs.

Originally posted to seabos84 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:15 AM PDT.

Also republished by Barriers and Bridges, In Support of Labor and Unions, ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, and Community Spotlight.

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  •  We knew this was coming. (8+ / 0-)

    We knew with technology and declining resources that the days of everybody working 40+ hours a week would not hold. Some of us were actually looking forward to that bright future. We could have started cutting the work week and giving more days off, for the same pay, years ago. That would have made more jobs for the increasing population. But noooo, we've decided that there is some magical formula that will return us to the 1950s, if only we could get it right. Get rid of government, let the rich accumulate as much as they want. All in all, we're idiots.

    We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

    by PowWowPollock on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:42:18 AM PDT

  •  sebos - with the exception of the prison time (3+ / 0-)
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    nextstep, ksuwildkat, Odysseus

    You could start a company, and have all those other rules as company policies, and lead by example.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:43:19 AM PDT

  •  Another rule: (6+ / 0-)

    To be "exempt" from overtime (pay), you must have direct reports.

    Socialist? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    by Kimbeaux on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:09:08 AM PDT

  •  Was this off the top of your head? (2+ / 0-)
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    Dirtandiron, seabos84

    Or a model based on a European country?

    Much of it sounds like Switzerland and/or France.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire

    by RUNDOWN on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:44:10 AM PDT

    •  wow - honestly, most ideas probably stolen BUT (3+ / 0-)
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      DawnN, RUNDOWN, radarlady

      most of adult life I've made under $50,000 a year, and this year I might break 55? 57?

      and I've been treated like shit for years, years and years.

      So they're "my" ideas in the sense that anyone who disagrees with me can go f'k themselves ;)

      rmm.

      Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

      by seabos84 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 05:14:23 PM PDT

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      •  stole ideas (0+ / 0-)
        "and I've been treated like shit for years, years and years.

        So they're "my" ideas in the sense that anyone who disagrees with me can go f'k th

        emselves ;)"

        Way to lead by example.

        •  are you 1 of those NOBLE f'king losers who must (0+ / 0-)

          force all of us into your NOBLE 'lead by example' bullshit?

          WHERE have YOU been for the last 3+ decades, while the 190,000,000 +/- of us working stiffs making under $50,000 a year have been working our assess off so we can get ripped off?

          making 6 figures a year running DLC sell out campaigns?

          enforcing DLC sell out campaign tactics, like making snotty comments about people who call bullshit what it is - bullshit?

          Seriously - WHAT is in it for you, with your censoring anything that isn't happy happy fucking pap?

          You get to be noblerer, gooderer, smarterer and betterer!!

          WOW! that sure helped the mondale, dukakis, gore and kerry campaigns!!

          rmm.

          Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

          by seabos84 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 06:40:58 PM PDT

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  •  These are excellent, sebos. (5+ / 0-)

    I once read a list similar to this -- have no idea whether it was on dkos or somewhere else -- but this list is far more comprehensive.

    Just outstanding.

    Isn't it time for the US Govt to give Leonard Peltier back his freedom? ** "Throwing a knuckleball for a strike is like throwing a butterfly with hiccups across the street into your neighbor's mailbox." -- Willie Stargell

    by Yasuragi on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 12:21:49 PM PDT

  •  Only for us and not them, never them! (0+ / 0-)
  •  Wow! Community Spotlight! I posted and ... forgot (4+ / 0-)

    about this diary, as I've posted 1 like it for Labor Day for many years now, and it always just kind of goes away in the barrage of

    "Mean Repukes Are Mean Meanies (and NOT nice!!) !!"

    I did spend a few hours at the annual M.L. King County Labor Council picnic at Woodland Park leafleting for Sue Peters for Schoolboard.

    http://suepeters4schoolboard.org/

    thanks all!

    rmm

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 05:22:07 PM PDT

  •  Terrific suggestions. Thank you for proposing real (1+ / 0-)
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    and concrete solutions. So much more helpful than lofty statements examining the problem.

    Except for that 1%, we're laborers (or, more and more, out-of-work wannabe laborers). Some of our most at risk fellows were bravely on strike today. Think what could happen if we held out our hands and joined together.

    If we do not permit the earth to produce beauty and joy, it will in the end not produce food, either. - Joseph Wood Krutch

    by DawnN on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 05:45:23 PM PDT

  •  I don't really care about most of your conditions. (0+ / 0-)

    I'd settle for being guaranteed minimum wage and overtime.

    I want to work more than 40 hours per week.

    I'll work irregular hours & days with no warning.

    I don't give a shit about any of that stuff, I just want minimum wage & overtime.

    I'm a truckdriver; http://www.dailykos.com/...

    John Galt is a fictional character in a poorly written novel by an adulterous Russian philosopher who believed that selfishness is a virtue and that God and the family have no place in society.

    by Hey Driver on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 07:29:28 PM PDT

  •  For what it's worth . . . (4+ / 0-)
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    catilinus, Odysseus, llywrch, seabos84

    My employer follows almost all those rules and does just fine. We have to innovate all the time so we can offer more (which actually makes the job more interesting) — because we are considered somewhat expensive — but it can be done without screwing over your workforce.

  •  My take on your rules (2+ / 0-)
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    My take on your rules:

    First off, most of these things apply to hourly wage workers only.  That is not a good or bad thing, just a thing.  Im on a salary and not eligible for overtime which is fine with me.  I have no desire to punch a clock.

    - lunch is duty free and at least 45 mins. long.
    That would suck.  I normally take an hour and a half!
    - If you show up when you are supposed to, you are owed at least 4 hours of pay.
    Yeah this should be worked into the law some how.  I know most of the contracts for on call personnel work this way.  If I call a contractor I just bought 4 hours even if they only take an hour to fix it.
    - your work days must be contiguous.

    - your days off must be contiguous.

    I see the point of these in general but some times having a week day off is really nice.  Im a skier and I love skiing on Tuesday or Wednesday.
    - a work week is five days.
    I currently work 6 on, 4 off and love it.
    - a fiscal week is 7 days in a row, and an organization can only change its fiscal week once every 5 years.
    Not sure the problem this ones solves but it must really suck.  Can you explain this one?
    - the scheduled time of your start can't vary by more than 2 hours in any 6 week interval.
    Hmmm....I can see what you are getting at here but for retail this is an issue.  As an example I worked retail and was on commission.  Friday, Saturday and Sunday all had busy times and slow times.  Our scheduled balanced so that everyone had a fair shot at the busy times.
    - your next shift can't start before 12 hours after the end of the shift you're working.
    I would go with 8 but ok.
    - overtime hours can be paid as comp time at 1.5 times your hourly rate by mutual agreement ONLY.
    Never had an issue with this - its usually the employee wanting comp and me wanting to pay.
    - 10 paid holidays a year.

    - 10 personal / sick days a year, no use it or lose it, bankable to 50 days.

    - 15 days vacation a year, no changes to agreed vacation time off 3 months before the time off.

    So what you are really saying is 35 days a year.  I think that is fair but the 3 month thing works both ways - that means you have to request all leave at least 90 days in advance.  
    - salary workers work max 40 hours a week, then overtime rules start.
    Again, I would rather be ineligible for overtime than punch a clock.
    - employer pays into retraining fund for layoffs, the fund is NOT controlled by employers or by any owners of the enterprise.

    - employees earns 2 months retraining per year of service, paid at last hourly rate for term of retraining, benefits available after 5 years continuous employment.

    Sorry but I think this is a personal responsibility.  And I dont want the guys who ran their business badly enough to need to lay folks off having a say in how I get retrained.
    - managers who use firing to avoid layoffs get 10 years in prison, NO parole.

    - managers who abuse the rules above get 10 years in prison, NO parole.

    - abusive managers will be tried and prosecuted from funds collected from employers and paid into a fund dedicated to pay for abusive manager prosecution.

    I think we have enough mandatory minimums and dont need to add more.  Dont mix civil and criminal behavior.  

    A lot of what you describe is the behavior of bad leaders.  You solve that with better leaders, not rules.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:42:33 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, there are lots of bizarre schedules. (1+ / 0-)
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      My last job was 7am-7pm 12 hour shifts, every two weeks swinging Thursdays.

      You would work:
      M-T-W-R, the other person would work F-S-S
      then the second week
      M-T-W the other person R-F-S-S.

      7 twelve hour days every two weeks.

      For the most part, it worked out great.

      The real issue is businesses which intentionally break the schedule to tiny chunks and you are always "on call".  No ability to plan anything, constant contact required.

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 06:31:40 AM PDT

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    •  IF you aren't under 35, you're still 1 of the (0+ / 0-)

      kind of race-to-the-bottom types employers love -

      hey - I was 1 when I was 19 and 22 and 28 and 32 and HUNGRY ...

      and at some point, IF you're not rich, IF you've seen enough people promoted for being better ass kissers and better back stabbers,

      you might realize that YOU ain't winning in the race to the bottom.

      do you have kids who you ever see?

      rmm.

      Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

      by seabos84 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 06:39:12 PM PDT

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      •  What? (0+ / 0-)

        I have no idea what you are trying to say here.  

        What I will say is that if you are in an organization that promotes butt kissers and back stabbers over merit and hard work then LEAVE!  Companies like that dont survive.  

        I look around in my organization and the people significantly senior to me work their asses off.  And they worked their asses off to get there.  I look at people significantly junior to me and see people working significantly less than I am.  I conclude from that I have been promoted to the level commensurate with my willingness to work.  Not a bad deal.

        And yeah, I see my kids.  Mostly after work.  Since I am working shifts right now sometimes I see them more than they want.  I see them during my 30 days of paid leave, every federal holiday and roughly 5-8 other paid days off.  

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 07:58:04 PM PDT

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  •  continguous days (1+ / 0-)
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    seabos84

    I worked for the public library for most of my adult life. I much preferred having a day off during the week when I worked Saturday, which I had to do for years. I didn't care if every other week I wasn't off two days in a row. A lot of the other rules about what days people work would have to vary depending on the industry. The important things are not having to work a killer schedule, being able to plan one's time off, getting paid a livable wage.

    This is why we need strong unions. I was lucky, I was in ASFCME, (American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees) which I why I can be retired now.

    And by the way, most of my income is interest and dividends, through investments I made through my working life, and through the investments my pension fund made. Retirement is important and you don't seem to mention it.

    I know that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... John Lennon

    by MagentaMN on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:56:41 AM PDT

  •  I'd also add a basic income (1+ / 0-)
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    seabos84

    I agree with most of your rules. The one that I'd add is a basic income for all: everyone would get $12,000 a year to start off with ($1,000 a month) so that any income they receive from working would be in addition to that.

    A basic income would provide people with a minimum amount of income to cover our most basic needs. While this mostly helps the very poor, it also changes the nature of work from an or-else, all or nothing enterprise where everyone is in competition for a limited amount of jobs, to a more open-ended situation where you can work as much or as little as you want without putting yourself and your family in poverty.

    The biggest problem with work is that for the vast majority of the people on earth, it's the only way to get money to live. We need jobs so badly--but they don't need us. Or more precisely, the businesses and governments and non-profits that are the only ones that create jobs don't need us. They all have financial incentives to keep the number of jobs down and the amount they pay down and benefits down.

    It sets up a horrible equation: we all need good jobs that pay a decent living, but there's never going to be enough good jobs because it's just not in the interest of business, gov't and non-profits to make enough of them.

    We either need a rule where the government is required to create enough good jobs for everyone, or we change the rules so that jobs aren't the only way to get money.

    If we tax the rich, big corporations, carbon pollution, Wall St. transactions, etc. and just give the money directly to the people, then we establish a source of income independent to jobs. We also stimulate the economy, which will lead to more jobs. People would be able to work less, which would also free up some jobs.

    So, a basic income would provide people with poverty-level income while creating more jobs and more job-openings. While those paying the new taxes won't be happy about it, they would actually benefit because people would have more money to spend, which would make its way into their hands eventually. Rise Up instead of Trickle Down.

    "Imagine all the people, sharing all the world." --John Lennon. Follow me @riseupeconomics

    by RiseUpEconomics on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 01:07:51 PM PDT

    •  I heard this idea many eons ago AND (0+ / 0-)

      thought it was pie in the sky hippy-dippy bullshit ...

      like, we'll ALL go to college AND we'll ALL do studies of Important Things, AND we'll ALL Think Deeply,

      (and who is gonna get anything done??????)

      I dismissed it and haven't thought about in decades and ...

      in my decripitude of age 53, I'm liking it.

      ;)

      thanks,

      rmm

      Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

      by seabos84 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 06:41:40 PM PDT

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  •  The United Electrical Workers at Walmart (photo) (1+ / 0-)
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    August 25th in Chicago. We were joined by Warehouse Workers for Justice and others.

    chicago_0826d_0130.jpg
    Click for larger

    Just your average every day Autistic hillbilly/biker/activist/union steward with an engineering degree.

    by Mentatmark on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 03:40:23 PM PDT

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