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I woke up early this morning and evidently my daughter woke up even earlier given that she had already left me a link in Skype chat telling me I needed to read it. The article was titled “Why Generation Y Yuppies Are Unhappy”. She is a University of Texas Austin Generation Y Yuppie (GYPSYs) graduate who is now going to school to be a doctor. I am not sure if she sent this to me because every now and then I tell her to suck it up when she complains while simultaneously her she can be successful at anything she wants to be successful at. Whatever the case (she would never tell me directly), it was a good read but one that left me feeling a bit disappointed since the article seemed to say that GYPSYs’ condition is completely self-inflicted.

While the article was good, it summarizes that GYPSYs’ expectations are too high. GYPSYs are not entitled to have a better life than their parents. They are delusional for wanting a fulfilling career. They are not as good as they think they are. And that social media makes many feel inadequate because they attempt to live vicariously through their more successful peers’ postings.

What is striking was the less than proactive advice at the end of the piece.

1) Stay wildly ambitious.  The current world is bubbling with opportunity for an ambitious person to find flowery, fulfilling success.  The specific direction may be unclear, but it'll work itself out—just dive in somewhere.

2) Stop thinking that you're special.  The fact is, right now, you're not special.  You're another completely inexperienced young person who doesn't have all that much to offer yet.  You can become special by working really hard for a long time.

3) Ignore everyone else. Other people's grass seeming greener is no new concept, but in today's image crafting world, other people's grass looks like a glorious meadow. The truth is that everyone else is just as indecisive, self-doubting, and frustrated as you are, and if you just do your thing, you'll never have any reason to envy others.

As a baby boomer born in the 60s the piece made me feel sorry for my GYPSY daughter born in the 90s. Is this how she and her generation really feel?

When I was  making pizzas, delivering pizzas, sweeping & mopping floors while attending the University of Texas Austin (yes, dad & daughter are Longhorns), I felt poor but always knew I had something to look forward to. This article made a successful future look merely plausible. Who bets life on plausible?

A few hours later my daughter sent another link. It was someone who had a rebuttal. Adam Weinstein wrote the piece titled “Fuck You. I'm Gen Y, and I Don't Feel Special or Entitled, Just Poor.” It was a justifiably belligerent article. It is the anger that GYPSYs need to tap into. Four paragraphs in his article say it all. It provides a superficial look at the hand GYPSYs have been dealt.

There are delusions at play here, but they are not our generation's. They play out as two contradictory lectures that we are told, simultaneously, by our monied elders:

1) This is AMERICA. Everybody does better than their parents!

2) This is AMERICA. Suck it up and quit bitching that you're not as well-off as your parents!

The latter maxim lurks in the heart of every critique of millennials. It assumes that if we're worse off than previous generations, the fault is ours, and our complaints are so much white whine. We should shut up and be content, because we do work less than our forebears, and spend more time enraptured by our own navels, trying to divine some life-affirming creative direction in them.

But there's nothing for us to suck up, really. As a rule, our parents did end up much more dedicated to their careers than we have. But as a rule, they were laid off less. They didn't intern or work as independent contractors. They got full medical. They were occasionally permitted to adopt magical unicorn-like money-granting creatures called "pensions." Or, barring that, they accumulated a huger 401K to cash out before the Great Recession, because they saved more. And they saved more because the costs of college, of kid care, of health care, of doing business and staying alive and buying groceries and staying connected, were far less than they are today. They could raise a family on one salary if necessary.

They had room to advance and buy things. Yes, even the creatives. I once listened to a professor, who is in his sixties, read us the first published piece he'd been paid for, in the late 1970s. A thousand words or so. The rate, he says, was something like two bucks a word. That's four times what the Village Voice pays today, even for an award-winning investigative cover story. It's geometrically greater than what most writers can earn today writing daily brilliance for nationally renowned publications online. And writing daily brilliance, which many of them do, is hard goddamned work.

Weinstein understands that the bulk of the problem isn’t the fault of GYPSYs. He understands that it is a Plutocracy that have sucked the life out of the middle class. Where are pension plans? Why did GYPSYs have to borrow so much for college while respective wages and salaries are diminishing? Why are the wealthy getting the spoils that come from worker productivity while those who overpaid for their education are in dire straits? Why is healthcare unaffordable? The questions go on and on. None of these ills are the fault of GYPSYs yet they are forced to navigate their consequences.

When Bill de Blasio won the Democratic mayoral primary in New York on a very liberal/progressive message I wrote the piece “America Is A Liberal Nation. A Liberal Wins On A Liberal Message”. I took a lot of flak from folks that said one cannot use a liberal city and extrapolate it to a nation. Of course this liberal city, New York, had not elected a Liberal in decades. After taking a beating for the piece for some time, there was a long article by Peter Beinart that was vindicating. I blogged it in my piece “Again: New York Mayoral Race Is The Canary – America Is Liberal.” He acknowledged that GYPSYs all feel the angst of that which Weinstein articulates. More importantly he takes the position that GYPSYs will be the group that forces the nation’s turn back to a progressive, liberal, left direction, a direction where all have access to success.

Adam Weinstein rebuttal is the spark that is needed for GYPSYs and baby boomers alike to engage with the body politic to correct what ails the country. It won’t change with GYPSYs and boomers acquiescing to some new normal. We live under an unfettered  form of capitalism where those that work hard, those that produce our goods and services are nothing but pawns to a Plutocracy that could not even make it on their own. We must rediscover our self-worth and demand our share of the economy with impunity. Generation Y yuppies and boomers must get off their asses, engage, and enforce change.

Adam Weinstein, hear hear.



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  •  Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics, (3+ / 0-)

    if COYOTE can organize sex workers and the markets for desire, this call should apply to the pre-Millennial generations: if POTUS and FLOTUS only paid their college loans off ten years ago, we all have to get off our asses now. OCCUPY EVERYTHING

    It won’t change with GYPSYs and boomers acquiescing to some new normal. We live under an unfettered  form of capitalism where those that work hard, those that produce our goods and services are nothing but pawns to a Plutocracy that could not even make it on their own. We must rediscover our self-worth and demand our share of the economy with impunity. Generation Y yuppies and boomers must get off their asses, engage, and enforce change.

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 06:35:48 PM PDT

  •  Here is some news for Generation Y...your (13+ / 0-)

    parents aren't doing that well.  They are upside down in their houses(if they did not lose them outright).  They are deep in debt because they gave you everything and made you feel extremely special.  They have no pension and have lost most of the value in their 401K's.  They are taking care of their parents and probably supporting you.....if you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for them.  They are getting old and are tired and will probably have to work until they die. So this is my advice  "Snap out of it".

    •  if you look at the numbers (13+ / 0-)

      the older the generation, the more income and assets they have, and the less debt. you might feel underwater, but the kids are drowning by the same measures.

      •  Kids have time to recover, things will get better. (5+ / 0-)
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        The biggest issue they have is college debt and that is something that we absolutely have to do something about.  Colleges are screwing our children, they are overcharging them and delivering lousy value(we are paying top dollar for a TA to deliver them a substandard education).  

        •  things will not get better (17+ / 0-)

          the prosperity, the opportunities of the 50s through to the 70s are not coming back

          for even if those in college now were not burdened by debts and did get a decent education, there still wouldn't be the job openings for them upon graduation

          it's that the entire American economy has changed since the age of the boomers

          and blaming the boomers for what are changes resulting from the global economic restructing that has taken place is just a sign of immature petulance

          We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

          by Lepanto on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 07:31:49 PM PDT

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          •  I'm going to rec this despite the last line (4+ / 0-)
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            The changes are structural.  Technology has replaced many more good-paying jobs than it has created.

            Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

            by PsychoSavannah on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:25:44 PM PDT

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          •  the boomers are getting criticized (3+ / 0-)
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            for refusing to acknowledge those changes, not for the changes themselves, except to the degree that they advocate for the continuation of the status quo because it defends what privilege and wealth they acquired when times were better.

            the boomers' elders (both parents and those a half generation older, who came of age in the 50s) were if anything even more involved in pulling up the ladder behind them than the boomers, truth be told.

          •  blame boomers- but only blame say 3% of them (3+ / 0-)
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            the rest were excluded from impacting the direction we ended up going in

            yeah they had the vote... but in a tainted, corrupted environment where people that would have really shaken things up (e.g., Nader) were shunted aside or assasinated (e.g., Bobby) or died under dubious circumstances (e.g., Wellstone)

            The typical Boomer was just trying to hold down that job while, behind the scenes, the whole job category was going away from outsourcing, policy choices or automation

            the rest of the boomers sucked the tainted teat of the one percent while it was diabolically offered. The suckling opportunities are dwindling. If you have a concscience you abhor the choices the young are shunted into. And why? so a handful of Wallmart heirs can enjoy as much wealt as the bottom half of America.

            Meanwhile...the bloodthirsty politicians plot to squander the rest of the wad on endless, pointless war.

            Reverend Jeremiah Wright was right.

            God Damn America.

            God Fucking Damn to Almighty Hell this Deluded, Barbaric, Sham Democracy  

        •  things are not getting better (3+ / 0-)
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          expecting that things will play out for your children as they did for your generation is precisely the disconnect that needs to change if we're going to reform this system.

          the kids don;t get the deal you got. their deal is far, far worse in most ways economic. it's not going to get better until people wake up and acknowledge that as a starting point for change.

          •  Did you get a deal that many of us did not get? (2+ / 0-)
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            Except for a very few(those living in the Silicon Valley or New York), most boomers have done nothing but struggle.  Job insecurity, layoffs, stock market crashes, housing busts, aging parents, high education costs for their children, children that are never going to leave home.  They lived life on a credit card and a prayer, if that is your idea of a better life then no it is not coming back.  The next generation has to live within their means, they have to create their own opportunities(which they are very good at, it's a very creative and resourceful group of kids) and they are going to own less stuff and live in smaller spaces.  None of this  is bad....it is just different.

            •  the statistics on this trump your feelings (0+ / 0-)

              every study of generational assets, debts, income and benefits has shown a huge disparity between the boomers and those older than them, and their offspring, who have a starkly worse economic position than the boomers did at their age and in the present. it isn't really debatable, if you look at the numbers.

              yes, incomes stagnated, and the eco omic situation of all non-plutocrat americans has gotten worse over the past four decades. but the pain is not evenly distributed, gen x and especially millennials got hit far, far worse than boomers.

              it is the unwillingness of many boomers to acknowledge this stark generational disparity that enrages young people in these discussions. for people who have some to have people who have less to "live within their means" is incredibly obnoxious.

              •  Generations don't have assets (0+ / 0-)

                People do. Or don't, as the case may be.

                For those who are facing a grim and frightening old age, knowing that other people the same age as you have wealth is not a comfort. No one is going to give you their assets just because you belong to the same generation.

                Don't be so sure you can see the future, either. Very little of what's happened in my lifetime over the decades was predicted by anyone. And the predictions that were made are laughable now.

    •  Although your points are well taken (3+ / 0-)
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      The underlying divisiveness isn't helpful.

      Can we stop the "suck it up" meme

      And

      UNITE

      The struggling youth and boomers.

      I think this is the point of the diary.

      And, IMO, everyone is special.  

      We are, in reality, all one, in the same boat

      The Plutocracy has been trying for decades to pit the youth against the elders.  Born in the late forties, I was told in my 20s that  "social security won't be there when you retire"

      UNITE and return this country to fairness and justice that once prevailed before the GOP and the Third Wayers like Clinton rested power.

      Divided we fall.  I think we have ample proof that this is true.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:07:06 AM PDT

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  •  I'm a boomer (12+ / 0-)

    And a big part of me is happy that I am single with no kids.  I taught high school in the "everybody deserves a trophy" era.  I went to law school to save myself   Hahahaha!   It was an improvement.

    I've stopped being pissed at the generational crapathons.  Either wallow in perceived misery or do something positive for someone in real need or STFU.

    Sincerely yours,
    Me

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 06:44:10 PM PDT

  •  The problem is many boomers said FUCK YOU (9+ / 0-)

    To their children.  So now we are fucked.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 06:46:33 PM PDT

  •  the "blame the boomers game" is pathetic (20+ / 0-)

    I'll readily concede that boomers (all in all) had it good and better than the subsequent Xrs, Yrs (millenials) and Zrs (post-millenials): the 50s through to late 70s were America's golden age economically - and such a golden age is not returning. That's just the way it is.

    What has changed, and entailed the deleterious consequences experienced by the post-boomer generations, is not something peculiar to America (and therefore not directly ascribable to American boomers as a group). It's that the entire global economy has changed.

    The economic distress experienced by the post-boomers is the result of globalization: look at the outsourcing of American jobs, at the collapse of American light industries, and so on.

    The Xrs and Yrs shouldn't blame pop or grandpa, but the big international corporations guided exclusively by the profit motive. And this, note well, is not generation-specific: it's quite independent of whether their CEOs are boomers or not.

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 06:56:45 PM PDT

    •  Not the late 70's (8+ / 0-)

      The train ran off the tracks in 1973.

      That is the year that for the first time since the beginning of the industrial age, energy stopped getting progressively cheaper, and started to get progressively more expensive.

      Not only did gasoline jump from under $0.30/gallon to over a $1.00 a gallon in one year, but other energy sources started to get more expensive too.

      There were lots of reasons for this: the US hit Peak Oil; environmental regulations came into force, and the world population grew, just to name a few.

      America's Golden Age, and the Boomer generation, started in 1946 when the US was the only remaining industrial powerhouse that wasn't bombed into rubble during WW2. We had a booming economy because we became the world's production line (somewhat like China is now).

      That ended in 1973 with the rising cost of energy, and the competition from other countries (after being rebuilt) started to grow as a larger portion of the world's productive capacity.

      Another aspect of the rising cost of energy was the beginning drive for more "efficiency", i.e. automation. This started to drive down, or at least stagnate, wages.

      Carter tried to do something about it (although mostly failed), but the election of Reagan in 1980 sealed in the denial of the massive changes that we needed, and need, to do in order to make the changes toward this new reality.

    •  I sat there at my Dad's round dining room table (3+ / 0-)
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      with my wife, my son and my Dad's wife as he made an interesting- yet devestating comment.

      My Dad is in his 80s. My Son is 21.

      My Dad mentioned that about 1871, about the time when his own Grandfather was alive, the first oil was being pulled out the the oil wells in New York or Pa or whatever...now his own grandson- my Jakey- is going to enjoy watching the last of the oil fields dry up for ever.

      My Dad (WWII greatest generation) is right smack in the center of the oil bubble- his own grandfather alive at the start of the oil era...and his own grandson personally experiencing the shuttering of the oil era.

      This transcends politics and even corruption.

      The party's ovah.

      So what do I tell my Son? Go buy a gun and end it before the big, historic slide becomes obvious?

    •  We're not blaming you for the problems (1+ / 0-)
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      We're blaming you for pretending they don't exist.

      We're blaming you (collectively, not you as an individual) for pretending that our economic situation - stuck in record high unemployment, unpaid internships, and dead-end retail jobs - is our fault for somehow not working hard enough.

      We're blaming you (again collectively) for refusing to even entertain the idea of any sort of large-scale solution, because you're in denial of the fact that there's a large-scale problem.

      We're blaming you for constantly giving us patronizing advice straight out of 1955.

      It doesn't matter whether or not you got us into this mess. We need your help to get out. And the first step is collectively admitting that there is a mess and that you can't fix it with half-measures and platitudes.

      You have the most-educated generation ever sitting around underutilized, underpaid, and generally being a waste of human capital. Fix it.

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 03:14:54 AM PDT

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  •  We used to. At least that was the goal. (8+ / 0-)

    But not anymore.  Except for the wealthy and elite.

    This is AMERICA. Everybody does better than their parents!
    My parents had a pension, always had affordable health benefits, were able to raise their children with a roof over their head, food on the table, money for a vacation a week or two a year, money to help out with higher educations, were able to save some money that actually earned... what's that word?  Oh, I know:  Interest.  

    Things like that.

  •  Gen Y must grow up and realize... (5+ / 0-)
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    ...they can't go back in time and fix the errors of the past, but they do have some control of what happens from this point forward.

    It's just like:  I have no control over you.  What I do have is control over me and how I react to you.

    I read the diary twice trying to find something I missed.  Couldn't find anything other than an overt dig at the OG's.

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    by Richard Cranium on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 07:15:23 PM PDT

  •  Makes one wonder if it is true about (3+ / 0-)
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    the way Gen Y'ers think wouldn't they blame someone else? But it's natural for the younger generation to blame their parents generation and to think they are special.  Hell, us baby boomers did the same thing.  Times are very hard for the Gen Y'ers.  I know, I have two of them.  But howling at the moon and blaming someone else isn't going to help.  Except in rationalizing a little bit of entitlement.  

    When you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.

    by thestructureguy on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 07:20:38 PM PDT

  •  Bon Scott (AC/DC) and GW Bush born 3 days apart (4+ / 0-)

    so I don't think it's actually "boomers" who are at fault but rather greedy a$$#$)& of any age.

    Dear NSA: I am only joking.

    by Shahryar on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:53:35 PM PDT

  •  Time for a reality check (12+ / 0-)

    Let's face it... this business of each generation always doing better than the last is part of the "great American dream", and as such was only realized by a small proportion of the population. My grandparents gave up a decent but unspectacular life in the old country and emigrated here looking for their  big opportunity. What they found was mere existence in a shoddy, disease ridden tenement, where friends, neighbors, and yes, even some of their own children perished in epidemics and street crime.

    My parents and aunts and uncles grew up and came of age in the Great Depression. I remember once hearing my Grandmother say that, as harsh as life could be back on the farm in Italy, at least they didn't freeze or have to feed their children bread smeared with Crisco or plain pasta and butter for meals.

    Just when it seemed that the economy was turning the corner, the war took away the fathers, sons, and brothers, many of whom did not come home in one piece, or come home at all. The post war boom economy helped many, but not those who had few skills, or who harbored physical or mental injuries that limited their potential. The GI bill helped many to get a college education, but not those who had had to quit school at a very young age to help support the family. And of course, people of color, and women who had to support themselves and their children struggled mightily against a system that regarded them as unworthy second class citizens.

    I grew up working class poor, like millions of other boomers. There were never enough houses or apartments, never enough schools, never enough books, never enough playgrounds, never enough summer jobs. Hand-me-downs and cheap knock-off's were the order of the day. There were the early predecessors of modern shopping malls, but more often than not, we shopped at the Goodwill or St. Vincent de Paul. A restaurant meal, plain or fancy, fast or slow, was something reserved only for special occasions. You felt lucky if you had something to eat, could walk the streets at night without fear, and your dad didn't drink up his paycheck and beat the hell out of you after doing so.

    Pell grants and large student loans were not that common back then, so you had to struggle to keep body and soul together while "making satisfactory progress toward your degree" lest you lose your deferment and and be put on the first bus to Tigerland. Changing your major and starting over was not an option. Going to school while you decided what you wanted to do with your life was not an option. Taking 5 or 6 years to graduate was not an option.

    We lost over 50 thousand in Vietnam. And when the boys finally came home they were greeted with 1970-71 recession, the 74-75 recession, the 79-80 recession, and the 82-83 recession. And let us not forget massive factory closures as businesses sent their jobs first to non-union southern states, and then to Mexico and beyond.

    The sad truth is that many of my old world relatives probably did as good or better by staying put, rather than taking the first boat out and chasing the "great American dream". If you don't do as well as the previous generation... welcome to the club.

    In their eyes there's something lacking; what they need's a damn good whacking.

    by Mad City 67 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 09:07:36 PM PDT

    •  Well said, Mad City 67. While I did not grow up (10+ / 0-)

      poor, when I graduated HS as a "Boomer", Kent State/Jackson State were happening in real time, waves of my peers were returning (in some form) from or going to 'Nam, doors firmly closed to females, etc etc, blech.  

      And this delight:

      greeted with 1970-71 recession, the 74-75 recession, the 79-80 recession, and the 82-83 recession.
      Looking back, I feel that my entire adult life, thus far, was spent living during a recession or mini depression & stagnant wages..

      My offspring, who are Gen X, sadly can say the same.

      Long ass "recession".

      And beyond scary disturbing to me.  

      As is the knowledge that my 1st grandchild was born in 2001 and has never "known" a time our country was not engaged in war.

      As is this knowledge that all these gens face the same that we did now some 20,30,40 years later.

      Coupled with reversals of things long fought for...there is reason for multiple gens to be in despair, disgusted, angry.

      •  Generation Y can make things a little better for (5+ / 0-)

        Generation Z which I am profoundly concerned with because this boomer has a Generation Z.. Our 8 year old.
        I do think Generation Y is what I  refer to as being raised by the Boomers.  Many of Generation X does not work as hard as the Boomers did and has had technology at their fingers.   There were also thousands and thousands an thousands of grandparents raising generation Y,,, The boomers were .....I do see a lot not all but some  of entitlement ideas coming from that generation and it is BECAUSE of the Boomers trying to make up for a family of two or three generations living in one household.  I have literally had 5 generations under one roof ...Then 4 ....
        Presently 4 generations.   The only thing I blame on the boomers are the ones who ran out and joined the Reagan team .   Most boomers I feel have very little.....They literally spent their inheritence on X and Y.  They got nothing left.  Not even a lot of time.

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        by Vetwife on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 11:51:22 PM PDT

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      •  It started in 1971 when we went off the gold (1+ / 0-)
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        standard and youth got the vote. That set up a reaction to forces that had not even been realized. Control of the dollar had to be recaptured and voters had to be persuaded that elections weren't really worth while.
        It worked for a long time and the ease with which paper money could be sequestered and rationed and allocated preferentially surely helped.
        Why did the red states stay in the Cons' corner? Because they were bought off with dollars disguised as expenditures for defense.
        There's an irony in the fact that the military was the first public institution to be racially integrated and then military installations continued and universalized the plantation mentality. Think of the PX. What is that but the company store?
        I still say that the antagonism towards "godless communism" grew out of envy and their apparent ability to exercise tyranny without relying on a deity. It hardly seemed fair that humanity could be so totally subjugated without relying on a Supreme Being to justify it. The Supreme Soviet seemed implausible until the Cons thought to look towards our own Supreme Court and the rule of law.
        Talk about a secular deity.

      •  And ready to unite and push back I hope (1+ / 0-)
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        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:22:38 AM PDT

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  •  Exactly. (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm a little older than a Millennial, but I've always felt MUCH closer in attitude to them than to GenX. A lot of Xers turned me off... too many of the ones I knew were the "ignore everyone else" type, the kind who lived "you can't change anything but yourself" like a credo. It's not surprising to me the number of Xers who are ultraconservative (Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz).

    I am sick of feeling like career success, home ownership, vacations and living debt-free are pie-in-the-sky unicorn dreams. I'm sick of feeling like my "realistic" life and dreams revisions are themselves unrealistic. We've "only changed ourselves" long enough, and it ain't changing our economic prospects. It IS time to change the world.

    Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

    by Lucy Montrose on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 03:14:21 AM PDT

  •  Fortunately, the boomers are going to die, (3+ / 3-)
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    probably sooner than they'd like. All that boozing and drug taking is going to catch up with them.
    I don't know what the genesis was, but I do know that 18 year olds in 1962 were distinctly different from those who came before. Perhaps the stresses of World War II had affected the DNA. Perhaps the self-centeredness is a reaction to some connections in the brain not being made. Perhaps it's a consequence of maternal health not having been the best.

    •  HR for being pleased that a whole (8+ / 0-)

      generation is going to die before their time, from "all that boozing and drug taking".  And let's not forget the "self-centeredness".

      tell mr. godot I'm walking the dog

      by chicago minx on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 04:27:34 AM PDT

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    •  Ummm... (5+ / 0-)
      Perhaps the stresses of World War II had affected the DNA.
      I am wondering just what mechanism you think would do that...and of course affecting the DNA would then affect the NEXT generation (presumably yours). Suggesting your generation would be even worse.

      Not sure the origin of that giant chip on your shoulder (maybe your mommy didn't love you enough? (snark)) but I really don't think the baby boomers were that much different from any other generation. And when I look at teenagers today I see just as much self-centeredness as any teenager in any generation.

      FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. NYC's Progressive/Reform Blog

      by mole333 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 04:47:50 AM PDT

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    •  Uprated for HR abuse (0+ / 0-)

      While you may not agree with hannah's comment, there isn't anything close to being HR worthy in this comment.

      "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

      by annan on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 05:41:31 AM PDT

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    •  I think this is worthy of discussion. (2+ / 0-)
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      So although the comment is crass and mean spirited, I am going to uprate it. I would also like to add that the baby boomers were a very privileged group of people. Post WWII America was the only show in town since Europe and Asia were largely destroyed by the war and Africa and South America were still developing. There were tons of blue collar jobs with good compensation in the United States in the manufacturing sector. They did not have the same hardships that prior generations had, living wars and the Great Depression.

      But let's not gloss over the fact that the civil rights movement was born out of the Baby Boomers. And the anti-war movement, which was unthinkable before, came from that generation. When you look at each generation, it's important to look at both the good and bad.

      Incidentally, the "Greatest Generation" (as coined by Tom Brokaw) almost managed to destroy the world and eagerly supported two wars after WWII. The Boomers helped to put an end to the second one, but only after 50,000+ American deaths and multitudes more Vietnamese.

      If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

      by HairyTrueMan on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 05:57:40 AM PDT

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      •  Are we talking about the same baby boomers? (1+ / 0-)
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        People that came of age between approximately 1965 and 1985??  That was the era of tons of blue collar jobs with good compensation??  Because I remember that those "tons of blue collar jobs" were coming to an end in that period and blue collar towns were slowly dying.

        •  Check this out. (0+ / 0-)

          http://data.bls.gov/...

          Change the "from" year to 1950 and click "go." Notice anything about the Boomer years that you cited? Shocking what happening around 2001, huh?

          If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

          by HairyTrueMan on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:00:29 AM PDT

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          •  And? (0+ / 0-)

            Are we debating whether blue collar jobs began a decline during the Baby Boomer generation?  Because I don't think that's remotely controversial.  

            My point is that Baby Boomers didn't have it so easy and that the period you were describing related to people born around 1930.

            •  The decline didn't begin until the 1980s. (0+ / 0-)

              And I'm talking about people who grew up during the 1950s and 1960s. You know, the people who could get a decent paying, union, manufacturing job with heath insurance and a pension. The disappearing middle class who works at Walmart today.

              Those people.

              If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

              by HairyTrueMan on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:45:34 AM PDT

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              •  The pension (0+ / 0-)

                that I once had but lost is hardly an advantage to me now. Nor the great health insurance I had when I was young and didn't need it. Nor the union that I belonged to when I started my career. All long gone. Does it help me now that when I was 30 I had great benefits?

    •  Wow! What a crock! (4+ / 0-)
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      Yup, us boomers were a real lost generation. We only took up Kennedy's challenge to ask not what the country can do for you, helped move the civil rights movement forward, and created the Peace Corps, VISTA, the modern anti-war movement, the modern women's movement, the envronmental movement, etc., etc., etc.

      Imagine how much more we could have accomplished if we had instead spent our time playing video games in our parent's basement, and sitting in coffee shops updating our Facebook pages.

      In their eyes there's something lacking; what they need's a damn good whacking.

      by Mad City 67 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:28:11 AM PDT

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    •  Hannah! This is so not you! (2+ / 0-)
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      We are dying younger than our parents more from lack of access to good health care and the stress of life-long job insecurity.  Our parents drank and smoked like chimneys.  We learned to drink from them.  Most of us cleaned up in our 20s and 30s.

      Maybe you are having a bad morning.

      Maybe apologize?

      Lovingly offered
      WOE

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:32:13 AM PDT

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    •  Wow (2+ / 0-)
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      Nice generalization of an entire generation and such a hateful comment wishing for and cheering of the deaths of people born between the years 1946 and 1964.

      My respect for you is forever gone.
      I'm quite surprised by your comment, hannah.
      I thought better of you but I was wrong.

      Unreal.

    •  I fear for the elderly (0+ / 0-)

      with such hatred harbored in the hearts of those who will be taking care of them as they get older.

      May they die a good death, despite this. May they find people who care about them.

      My god... sometimes American cruelty scares me.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Thu Sep 19, 2013 at 11:08:23 PM PDT

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  •  Yes no and maybe (1+ / 0-)
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    I think ultimately most problems a generation faces, even if partly self-created, do have to come down to their parent's generation. One generation sets the stage, writes the script and trains the next one to take over the play.

    But I think a lot gets lost in this view. Thanks to baby boomers we had a Civil Rights movement and Women's Rights movement and an Environmental movement. The baby boomers changed a lot for the better in America and I think following generations take for granted what their parents had to fight for.

    But the baby boomers also elected Reagan and bought into trickle down economics yet again and STILL can't recognize that that trick never works as advertised. And they ignored the threat of global warming.

    Blaming your parents for your problems is an age old tradition. Blaming your kids for the problems of the world is also an age old tradition. More important, and seldom actually done, is fixing problems. Ideally we all need to pull together and do that. Which I guess comes down to, in the context of your diary, you and your daughter discussing what she faces in the future and how the two of you can help mitigate it.

    And I fall in between the baby boomers and the Xers. I am too young to be a boomer and an old fart to the Xers. So I can blame everyone! So get off my lawn! ; -)

    P.S. Bill de Blasio is far from a liberal as people around here seem to think. He talks a good talk, but his walk isn't that far from Bloombdrg's. I live in his old City Council district and I did NOT vote for him in the mayor's race. Hopefully Tish James will win the Public Advocate runoff so there is SOME balance to de Blasio's Bloomberg Lite.

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. NYC's Progressive/Reform Blog

    by mole333 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 05:09:13 AM PDT

  •  More boomers on this site than % of Dem Party (1+ / 0-)
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    as a whole..diaries/comments of this nature never go well.

    The boomers that are the real problem are the ones who are voting, or may vote, Republican however, not the ones here.

    While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:58:22 AM PDT

  •  Boomers got pensions? (2+ / 0-)
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    Darmok, nextstep

    Maybe the early part of the boom, but they were already pretty much gone for everyone but government employees by the time the later part of the boom was in the workforce.

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