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Ted Cruz speaking at the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans, Louisiana on June 16, 2011
National Review's Robert Costa reports:
Speaker John Boehner huddled with House Republicans this morning at the Capitol. According to several sources in the closed-door meeting, the speaker confirmed his plan to bring a continuing resolution to the floor that funds the government and defunds Obamacare.

“On the CR, we know what the position of this conference is,” Boehner said, speaking before his colleagues. “Every member in this room is for defunding Obamacare while letting the rest of the government continue to operate. We’re going to put Obamacare defunding directly into the CR. And then we’re going to send it over to the Senate, so our conservative allies over there can continue the fight. That’s where the fight is.”

“On every major issue we’ve faced for the past two and a half years, the math has been the same: House Republicans either find a way together to get to 218, or the Democrats who run the rest of Washington essentially get everything they want,” he added, pressing for House GOP unity.

Apparently, the House GOP's idea is that after House Republican pass Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's "defund Obamacare" scheme, it will take the issue off their plate and put it in the hands of Cruz and his colleagues, creating a put up or shut up moment for them. According to this line of thought, House Republican leadership can't be held responsible for the failure of Cruz's doomed plan because unless Cruz is able to move the legislation through the Senate—which he can't, because Democrats control the Senate, and not all Republicans agree with him—then Cruz will own the failure of his own plan.

That all seems fairly logical, albeit against a backdrop of utter insanity. This isn't a defense of Speaker Boehner, but it's absurd to blame him for the fact that he can't repeal or defund Obamacare by threatening a government shutdown. The fact is that nobody can do it. So if Boehner's goal is to prove to lunatic conservatives that he's not the reason Obamacare is here to stay, this isn't a bad plan.

That being said, this plan has nothing to do with actually avoiding a government shutdown—it's entirely about avoiding blame. Watching it unfold is entertaining in a sick sort of way, but other than being another reason why this is the least popular Congress in American history, it's really just a sideshow. Follow below the fold to see why this development, as crazy as it is, might not be the worst thing in the world.

If there's any good news here it's that this means the House is finally going to pass some sort of spending bill, which means the Senate will finally be able to send something back. As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said yesterday, the Senate has no "Plan B" if the House were to fail to act. That's because spending and revenue bills must originate in the House, so getting something—anything—out of Boehner's building is a necessary first step, even if it is a bill containing Cruz's ridiculous defund Obamacare scheme.

Ironically, it might actually be a good thing (from the perspective of Democrats) if the House ends up passing the Cruz scheme instead of Boehner's original plan. That's because Boehner's original plan—which was for Republicans to break the 2011 budget deal by essentially making sequester spending levels permanent while throwing in a kickback to defense contractors—would have been less transparently ridiculous, and therefore harder to to argue against, despite being nearly as objectionable.

Cruz's plan is absurd on its face, though, and as long as it's the GOP's plan of record, it's clear to everyone that their plan of record is DOA. It might be a good enough "Plan B" to get something out of the House, but the real "Plan B" to prevent a shutdown is going to come from the Senate, and in all likelihood it's going to be the simplest plan in the world: a clean continuing resolution to fund government without forcing anyone to swallow new poison pills. In other words, it will be a plan to prevent a government shutdown ... by keeping the government open. Crazy, huh?

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  •  Can Cruz and Company Fillibuster the CR (16+ / 0-)

    for two weeks until the clock runs out?

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:39:32 AM PDT

  •  200 Dems + 17 GOP? (3+ / 0-)

    There are now 233 GOP House members, 200 Dems, and 2 vacant seats.

    Any chance of passing a spending bill with 200 Dems + 17 temporarily-sane GOP members?

    Would this require deposing Boehner as speaker? Or could it be done via discharge petition, or some other parliamentary maneuver?

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:43:02 AM PDT

    •  Probably cannot get 200 Dems (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ERTBen, zinger99

      Half a dozen will vote with GOP.

      I don't know what consciousness is or how it works, but I like it.

      by SocioSam on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:46:09 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  OK, so 194 Dems + 23 GOP. Same general idea. NT (0+ / 0-)

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:03:20 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Doable, but it's political suicide for Boner (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Citizenpower, underTheRadar, SocioSam, GAS

          and he's too chicken to pull that trigger.
          It would be a final violation of the Hastert Rule, his third strike. The TeaTrrrrrrrrrsts will blow his whole party up if he doesn't do the impossible RIGHT NOW!
          Boner, the Worst Speaker Ever™, is in the vice (nice!)
          Cruz is only the currently most problematic for the GOP. Vitter is working on it, Rubio, Paul and a couple dozen House Reps, selling their constituents snake oil, that Obamacare can be stopped, with only pure insanity for a strategy.
          The House "leadership" is being derailed by a minority of their caucus, they've lost control and the ripples of that failure are growing.
          Playing chicken with madmen.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:34:05 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Suicide or murder? (0+ / 0-)

            The question I'm really asking is whether it can be done without Boehner.

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:56:44 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  He sets the agenda, (1+ / 0-)
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              a2nite

              If he doesn't schedule a bill to come to a vote, it doesn't.
              And that's his major malfunction.
              He can't get a bill that will pass his own caucus, get a "majority of the Majority" and rather than pass it with Democratic votes, he pulls it.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:03:12 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Depose Boehner? (1+ / 0-)
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                defluxion10

                194 Dems + 23 GOP = power to elect a new Speaker. Could be from either the 23 or the 194. If a Dem, presumably the 23 would require somebody perceived as more "moderate" than Pelosi. Pelosi might go along with it, come off looking very stateswomanlike.

                There was a similar deal in a state legislature a couple years ago (NY?).

                "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

                by HeyMikey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:07:28 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

          •  Who would the GOP caucus replace Boehner with? (1+ / 0-)
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            SocioSam

            As loud and obnoxious as the Tea Party faction is, how many seats do they have? How do they take Boehner down? And who do they install who the rest of the GOP caucus will accept?

            I guess what I'm asking is why doesn't Boehner just grow a pair and say, fuck you, I'm doing the responsible thing and I'm going to make sure that the government gets funded and we don't default on our debt and I'm not playing silly games to convince you guys of what is obvious to any thinking person: Obamacare is not going to be defunded. Let's pass bills that actually put real pressure on the Senate and the President, not kabuki dance pieces of flim flam that everyone knows aren't real.

            Is it that Boehner really can't grow a pair? Or do I simply lack an adequate understanding of the crazy?

            •  You're not asking yourself one thing: (0+ / 0-)

              What would Boehner himself get out of doing whatever course of action he might pursue? It's not that he doesn't have the courage of his convictions, it's that he operates under a different set of convictions than you assume he has. Imho, of course.

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 11:36:56 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  20 sane GOP would do it (8+ / 0-)

      Look at the fiscal cliff vote to see who the candidates are.

      Boehner looks like he deliberately wants to crash the clown car, so the sane GOPers can vote while pointing to the wreckage.

  •  please proceed, Mr. Speaker. (20+ / 0-)


    I'm not an athiest. How can you not believe in something that doesn't exist? That's way too convoluted for me. - A. Whitney Brown

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:44:14 AM PDT

  •  question about government shut down (1+ / 0-)
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    Fury

    Would that affect Social Security checks?

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:44:56 AM PDT

  •  I want to live in Boehner's world (21+ / 0-)

    where Democrats get everything they want.

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:46:07 AM PDT

  •  Isn't it long overdue (6+ / 0-)

    that these venal sycophants get back to the people's work instead of their constant self-aggrandization?

    "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

    by rocksout on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:53:52 AM PDT

    •  They don't know what that means. (4+ / 0-)

      People who hate the government, who believe government is always wrong, evil, overbearing and should be dismantled, should not ever be elected or appointed to any government office.
      They have no clue what the job is, what "constituent service" means, what good governance is.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:39:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  i'm assuming that louie gohmert will remain fully (8+ / 0-)

    funded even in the event of a shutdown?

    Sarah Palin is a disgusting racist pig.

    by memofromturner on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:54:42 AM PDT

  •  The origination thing is a big deal (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Stude Dude, HeyMikey, skillet, Fury

    Is Boehner actually intentionally putting the Senate in control of the process?

  •  Diary is too kind to Boehner. He could avoid (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Stude Dude

    this stuff by just cutting a deal with the WH on the grand bargain discussions.  He could accept tax reform, some medicare reforms in exchange for increased domestic spending on infrastructure, education etc.  He could do it.  That would be the wise course of action.  Giving in to the tea party isn't going to help him or his party.

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    by khyber900 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 07:59:07 AM PDT

    •  Addict must hit bottom... (8+ / 0-)

      ...before admitting he/she has a problem, and accepting need to change.

      Perhaps Boehner is allowing the GOP to hit bottom so it will confront its Tea Party addiction.

      Regardless of Boehner's intent, that may be the effect. If not this crisis, some crisis eventually. Only question is how much damage will they do first.

      "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

      by HeyMikey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:07:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Boehner's intent is to stay Speaker. (9+ / 0-)

        Him first, Party second, Country last.

        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

        by zenbassoon on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:32:10 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yep. But can't ride tiger forever. (0+ / 0-)

          One of these days the tiger is going to eat Boehner. Maybe this time? Maybe not. We'll see what we see.

          "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

          by HeyMikey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:55:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  That's not leadership. He has had 3 years now (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Fury, HeyMikey

        to manage their expectations and get them in line.  They lost the last election and would've lost the House but for gerrymandering.  I believe Democratic House candidates got 1 million or so more votes than the GOP.  Wise leaders figure it out.  This guy has spent the year tying a noose around the economic recovery and for what purpose?  Most observers in DC believe he doesn't want the job in 2015.

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        by khyber900 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:05:06 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  It's not "just" gerrymandering (1+ / 0-)
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          HeyMikey

          Gerrymandering by GOP controlled state legislatures is part of the problem, but even without it, Democrats have a natural disadvantage due to the fact that in major urban centers, there are a significant number of "wasted" Democratic votes, i.e., urban districts that are  overwhelmingly Democratic. The "wastage" of Democratic votes in urban areas has increased over the last 20 years, independent of gerrymandering. As a result, Democrats would need significantly more than 51% of the popular vote in Congressional elections nationwide in order to regain control of the House even in the absence of the current gerrymandering.

          Having said all that, I still don't understand how such a relatively small faction -- the Tea Partiers -- have such a stranglehold on the entire GOP caucus. Can they really throw Boehner out? And who would they replace him with that would get support from the rest of the caucus?

          •  How Tea Party achieved stranglehold. (1+ / 0-)
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            bryduck

            It's not an accident; it's the logical consequence of the Free Lunch that the GOP has been preaching for 35 years.

            At least since Reagan in the late 1970s, the GOP's core pitch has been something-for-nothing: "You can have all the government you want or need, AND pay less for it, and if it doesn't work out then it must be the fault of some minority it's easy to pick on." The identity of the minority keeps changing: communists, liberals, brown people (homegrown and immigrants), unions, teachers, teacher unions, welfare recipients, drug users, drug dealers, criminals, gays, single parents, etc. But the core message is always that the Great White American Middle Class should pay fewer taxes and should not have to change; it's always "those other people" who need to change.

            For awhile, the country could go down the path of the Great White Middle Class paying ever-decreasing taxes--and allowing the Upper Class to piggyback on those tax cuts--and taking no responsibility for anything else, without everything falling apart. But not forever. Sooner or later the Great White Middle Class, and piggybacking Upper Class, must run up against the reality that there still ain't no free lunch.

            No GOP campaign promises, no law passed by Congress, can change the fact that there ain't ever gonna be a free lunch.

            The Tea Party has been promised a free lunch for 35 years. It only wants what it's been repeatedly promised.

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:22:01 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Probably the TPers (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Fury, HeyMikey

        will be happy with the effects of the shut down. They won't want to open it back up.

        I think we'll have a shut down, even if it's short term.

    •  It will help him keep his Speakership (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      bryduck

      and that's all he ever cared about.

  •  Imagine if your star player (8+ / 0-)

    What if your basketball team were down by 1 with 15 seconds to go?  John Boehner is your star player.  He's the team leader.  

    Now imagine if he was so lacking in confidence that he could make the winning shot, that he passed it off to a rookie shooting guard (Cruz).  

    How's that gonna look to the home team?  And to the management?  And to the coaches?  And to the Illuminati?

    Merlot, it's not just for breakfast anymore.  

    Streichholzschächtelchen

    by otto on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:03:19 AM PDT

  •  Goddamn, this is pissing me off. (3+ / 0-)

    Fuming....

    "You are not even aware of what is possible. The extent of their capabilities is horrifying."Edward Snowden -6.62, -6.92

    by CanyonWren on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:08:14 AM PDT

  •  Can't see how Boner doesn't end up as a pinata. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  BFD (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    underTheRadar
    this plan has nothing to do with actually avoiding a government shutdown—it's entirely about avoiding blame.
    So what?  That's how it works. I certainly hope you didn't think it had anything to do with acting in the national interest.  If you think that (I doubt you do), you'll also be praising Putin's deeply humanitarian actions in Syria.
  •  Gotta love a three-rail bank shot on a gimme (8+ / 0-)

    But, when the Frankenstein monster you've created has you by the throat in the corner of your lab, I guess you have to try anything you can to get away.

    I hope folks in those deep red areas of these United States are taking a good look at the demagogues and nincompoops they've sent to Washington. I hope even more that the DCCC has another go at Howard Dean's 50 State Strategy.

  •  Who is sane in the GOP in the House of Rep? (3+ / 0-)
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    voicemail, Fury, defluxion10

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:12:51 AM PDT

  •  ted cruz's waterlooz (5+ / 0-)

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:13:10 AM PDT

  •  How This Could Play Out (13+ / 0-)

    I would guess Boehner can get most, if not all, House Republicans to pass this CR without ACA funding (or with a prohibition against ACA funding).  It then goes to the Senate where Reid is sure to propose an amendment to the House CR to include funding for ACA.  Cruz will certainly object creating a filibuster of the amendment forcing Reid into a cloture vote.  He will then need about a half dozen Senate Republicans with all Senate Dems. to achieve the 60 votes needed for cloture.

    If he gets enough Republicans to get to 60 he ends Cruz's filibuster (and splits Senate Republicans on the ACA in a very visible way), and will only need a simple majority to pass the ACA amendment to the CR (i.e., only needs Senate Dems.).  He will then get to send the amended CR back to the House, where Boehner will be faced with the choice of bringing it to the House floor for a vote, or ignore it and allow a government shutdown which House Republicans will own the consequences of.  If he brings it to the House floor (which is the more likely scenario) it will likely pass in the face of a government shutdown with all Dems. and just enough Republicans (again splitting the Republican Party).

    I'm not sure, but I don't think Reid can use "Budget Reconciliation" rules to get around an ACA amendment filibuster.  So if Reid doesn't get 60 votes he can try again.  But if he cannot get 60 votes to end an ACA amendment filibuster before the government shutdown date, Cruz will have succeeded in forcing a shutdown over the ACA and the Republicans will own the consequences.  

    So let's watch this unfold and see if I'm right!

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:15:59 AM PDT

  •  I said he would allow #42 vote to defund ACA (0+ / 0-)

    and then do a real vote

  •  Is mental health covered under Obamacare (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Brooke In Seattle, zbob

    If so Republican should take advantage of the provision

  •  The debt ceiling which is what is more concerning. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Samer, librarisingnsf

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:22:03 AM PDT

    •  I don't think so...I think that is a done deal (0+ / 0-)

      which is why Boehner came out today tossing the crazy defund O'care back to Cruz.

      What Doctor Who says above will most likely happen...pass House, to Senate,  Reid amendement added, filibuster broken, back to House and pass clean bill not defunding O'Care with the help of Dems.

      Boehner gets to save face. The gov't doesn't shut down. Obama will not allow debt ceiling breach. Things continue as they have been until 2014.

      This is the same scenario as last time. Boehner caves on debt ceiling and shoves blame of CR w/o defund Obamacare to Sen Republicans (read: Teahadists looking to advance their agenda), then hits the links after a nice glass of merlot.

      Done and done.

  •  Can the Senate edit the Obamacare part out? (0+ / 0-)

    "Jersey_Boy" was taken.

    by New Jersey Boy on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:24:07 AM PDT

  •  I read the title wrong first thing this morning (0+ / 0-)

    before my coffee and thought it said Boehner to "DEFEND" Obamacare.  

    And I actually considered the plausibility of it for a second.

    Here's a politician who's own party is gunning for him. He can choose to allow his own party to assassinate him in the primary this year and have that be his headstone inscription OR by DEFENDING ACA, he has a chance to be remembered as the only sane GOP leadership by supporting what will turn out to be the best social legislation since the Great Society.  

    Pipe dream.  It's Hail Mary Pass no Republican is willing to throw.  But it was interesting to think about until I had my first cup of coffee...

    We are all in this together.

    by htowngenie on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:24:09 AM PDT

  •  I still like Charlie Pierce's description .... (10+ / 0-)

    .... of the House speaker, after he failed on a House GOP caucus vote several months ago, something like:

    John Boehner is a Reoublican who has to pretend to be a madman ... in order to beg for votes ... from a group of madmen pretending to be Republicans.

    "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain."

    by Ed Tracey on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:32:44 AM PDT

  •  but the CR's funding level will be what GOP wants (0+ / 0-)

    Reid may be able to break a filibuster over the defunding of Obamacare, but he won't be able to increase the overall funding of the CR from what the House sends over - so....

    The Senate will have to accept the sequester cuts again in the CR it sends back to the House.

    The House will then say "we tried" and pass the CR (1) with Obamacare funding the right wing GOP does not want but (2) at the total reduced spending level (with sequestration again) that the GOP House does want.

    The GOP will be getting 98% of what it wants.  Only thing it will not get is defunding Obamacare - but that is an impossibility.

  •  Obama started talking about the constitution (0+ / 0-)

    when he talked about the debt limit.

    Will Obama evoke Section 4 of the 14 amendment and raise the debt ceiling himself if he has too?

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:40:55 AM PDT

  •  Jed nails it-- (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    a2nite

    It's all about Boehner avoiding blame.  To Boehner, it's all about him.  "Me first, party second, country last".

    Trouble is, everyone can see it, which is what is so pathetic it's beyond pity.

    He can either be the Speaker that broke the polarization of the country and Washington that festered since 1994 and go down in history as such, or he can go down as the Captain Edward Smith of the Republican Party.

    “At that moment, in the sunset on Watership Down, there was offered to General Woundwort the opportunity to show whether he was really the leader of vision and genius which he believed himself to be, or whether he was no more than a tyrant with the courage and cunning of a pirate. For one beat of his pulse the lame rabbit's idea shone clearly before him. He grasped it and realized what it meant. The next, he had pushed it away from him.”

    Richard Adams, Watership Down

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:42:29 AM PDT

  •  Boehner is basically a coward... (2+ / 0-)
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    Fury, a2nite

    He wants to hang the shutdown on Senate, not the House.  He is hoping Calgary Cruz and his clown posy will filibuster the bill and he can get away scott free.  The media will probably help him here.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

    by RichM on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 09:11:14 AM PDT

  •  This is the key, Mr. Boehner: (0+ / 0-)
    “On every major issue we’ve faced for the past two and a half years, the math has been the same: House Republicans either find a way together to get to 218, or the Democrats who run the rest of Washington essentially get everything they want,”
    Uh, yeah.  That's what happens in democracies, when you have elections and the other party wins.

    BTW - we kicked your ass in the house, too.  The only reason you're the speaker is because of shenanigans.  So stop acting like the GOP has a mandate.

    YOU DON'T SO STFU!!!

    "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

    by La Gitane on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:00:25 AM PDT

  •  More Kabuki theatre (0+ / 0-)

    to appease the Wingnuts and Teabaggers.

    I'm old enough to remember when the Congress
    actually got things done.

    I Can't wait until that becomes POPULAR again.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:10:28 AM PDT

  •  Photo caption (0+ / 0-)

    "Ted Cruz, speaking to, and seeking approval from, only the far right."

  •  The flaw in that line of reasoning (0+ / 0-)

    I sure hope it's true that the Rs can't defund the ACA by threatening govt shutdown.  Giving in to them on the sequester certainly should have educated our side to never again negotiating with hostage-takers.

    But I'm concerned that they don't have to succeed at getting our side to blink to defund the ACA.  They can block the spending CR, shut down the govt, and then the ACA simply doesn't get funded, with no deals requiring our side's agreement necessary.

    Everyone seems to take it for granted that they won't force a shutdown because it would be bad for them politically, might make them lose the House.  People point to the Gingrich shutdowns as proof of that idea.

    If the govt shutdown that would result from not passing the spending bills (or a CR) were categorical -- no govt spending at all -- I would tend to agree that the Rs would either not force a shutdown, or back down quickly if they did.  But we have laws on the books now weakening the effects of shutdown.  What the law defines as "essential", the govt spending that won't be interrupted by a shutdown, tends to be exactly the stuff that the Rs  don't want defunded, things like the military, "intelligence", and law enforcement.  And they can deal with things like, say, the flow of SocSec checks, that they don't dare let stop for fear of the electoral consequences, by putting up rescue bills.  You think the Ds are going to vote down or veto a SocSec rescue in the midst of a showdown?  Our side wouldn't even stand in the way of restoring air traffic control to rural airports when that was put up as a sequester rescue.

    They've got plenty of people in their caucus who would like the federal govt in shutdown, doing much less than it does today, much better than they like the federal govt doing everything it actually does today.  These people aren't pushing shutdown as a ploy, as a means to an end.  They want the shutdown, suitably modified with strategic rescues, as an end in itself.  I wouldn't bet that our side is ruthless enough to stand in the way of the rescues, therefore I can't say that their side can't make a shutdown work for them, defunding the ACA and whatever else they dare defund.

    The states must be abolished.

    by gtomkins on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:40:36 AM PDT

  •  And thanks to GW Bush and the NeoCons (0+ / 0-)

    Our President can use a signing statement to tell them to fuck-off. In writing.

    I would tell you the only word in the English language that has all the vowels in order but, that would be facetious.

    by roninkai on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 12:11:52 PM PDT

  •  Why don't we, the citizens, start a movement to (0+ / 0-)

    defund the goldplaited healthcare system that congress and the senate enjoy, paid by the rest of us?
    Petitions, anyone?

  •  The fascist salute suits Cruz well (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Stop Reporting on the Rules. Report on the Game. (0+ / 0-)

    We keep talking about the strategy of the shutdown.  The american people are struggling, with more people living in poverty than is reasonable to expand this ecomony.  Republicans are talking about default and shutting the government down?!  They will kill the markets to prove what?  They can't govern and obstruction doesn't work.  While millions of our neighbors suffer with many of them having no idea the cause because of a non-stop mis-information campaign by the tea partiers.

    Let's focus coverage on the impact of this reckless behavior and not put it into Obama/Congress win or lose.  The people who will be impacted the least are all in Congress with all the guarantees that come with service.  The rest of us will be put into a republican experiment.  How much money, credibility of our currency and losses can we endure before we get rid of Obamacare and then Medicare and then Social Security.  We can just keep doing this.  IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE WORST WAY TO GOVERN.

  •  Senate could easily turn a House shell (0+ / 0-)

    into a spending bill. So the notion that the House has to pass something first is almost surely wrong.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 05:32:57 PM PDT

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    The only reason Boehner was allowed to continue as Speaker is because he is a PUPPET! he will do just what he is TOLD!

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